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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: DocMercy on February 27, 2022, 09:57:40 AM
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A war that affects civilians is no longer an impossibility throughout the free world. In this thread you can ask questions about what works, and what does not work against various caliber rounds and weapons. Little thought about by the 2A community are helmets, with most people focused on body armor. Well, how good are Russian made helmets? Do you think it could survive a .308 round>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT059hCJKFk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT059hCJKFk)
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The concern for the average American, even many well intentioned prepper isn’t quality gear or performance of firearms. It’s mindset.
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The concern for the average American, even many well intentioned prepper isn’t quality gear or performance of firearms. It’s mindset.
Never underestimate the ingenuity of a few American rednecks with large trucks, farm equipment, a potato gun and a flamethrower.
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Never underestimate the ingenuity of a few American rednecks with large trucks, farm equipment, a potato gun and a flamethrower.
Haha. Ya. I say that counts as mindset. Work smarter, not harder. Or even construction and carpenters. They can come up with some ingenious conTRAPtions.
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i don't even have mindset...
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i don't even have mindset...
you’d need a mind to set…
:rofl:
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heads
you’d need a mind to set…
:rofl:
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i don't even have mindset...
I own no firearms, ammo, reloading supplies, comms, body armor, preps, NODs, and mindset.
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I own no firearms, ammo, reloading supplies, comms, body armor, preps, NODs, and mindset.
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You have a nice .22 lr “sniper” rifle O0
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Haha. Ya. I say that counts as mindset. Work smarter, not harder. Or even construction and carpenters. They can come up with some ingenious conTRAPtions.
Also, it only takes a few insiders who disagree with government actions to "relieve" the military of a few choice weapons that civilians can't acquire on their own.
That includes body armor, helmets and other milspec gear.
As for comms, lots of CB and HAM radio operators and equipment that can make a difference. Unless the Internet is shutdown, that's still a viable means, too. As dependent on the Internet as all facets of the nation are, including military, government, and the media (required to be controlled in most scenarios), I don't see the Internet being taken down intentionally by Big Brother.
Secure comms are relatively easy if cell or landlines are still operating.
https://www.endoacustica.com/encrypted-phone.php
If you have the resources to afford them, STU-III and STU-IV telephones are available. They are point-to-point secure comms devices. As long as both ends are using compatible keys, the transmissions are encrypted. Anyone listening in will have a difficult time trying to unscramble the conversations.
For short range, there are walkie talkies that use random encryption to prevent eaves dropping.
I don't know how useful it is to stockpile electronics. Not only do they not withstand the amount of time between storing and using, especially if they need certain batteries, but the technology used my be outdated, making them very easy to intercept or jam.
Having said that, analog devices, if still working, can often be a hedge against a digital-age adversary. While they are scanning the digital bands, you'll be on a band almost everyone else abandoned.
Lots to consider.
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Maybe list ranked in order of supplies for when SHTF since some cannot afford everything. Top 15 so the list doesnt get boring if it were 100 or so.
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Maybe list ranked in order of supplies for when SHTF since some cannot afford everything. Top 15 so the list doesnt get boring if it were 100 or so.
Another thing to consider:
Let's say you have all the coolest and latest toys, gadgets, gear and protection. Are you really going to be able to carry it all? And can you carry it all in a way that can be ready for use instantly?
How many more rounds of ammo could you have carried if you ditched 30-50 lbs of gear?
More often than not, less is more.
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I was waiting for a thread like this.
Inmho id keep my ass home. Id burn too much resources going out and about. Too much unecessary confrontation. Just protect whats mine.
Ammo and food and water. Ride it out.
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I was waiting for a thread like this.
Inmho id keep my ass home. Id burn too much resources going out and about. Too much unecessary confrontation. Just protect whats mine.
Ammo and food and water. Ride it out.
Yeah, pretty much. Oh, add alcohol.
No sense bugging anywhere. If anything, just help for close friends and family. My buddy’s son loves loading mags. 8)
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This house is prepared and for sale.
https://www.realtor.com/news/unique-homes/prepping-in-style-kentucky-mansion-huge-fallout-shelter/
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I was waiting for a thread like this.
Inmho id keep my ass home. Id burn too much resources going out and about. Too much unecessary confrontation. Just protect whats mine.
Ammo and food and water. Ride it out.
This. Cause we not like the mainland where 1 can hide in the huge forest (OG Red Dawn).
Then add in, is there a water source and food source in the forest that we do have. And is there enough for the many who would go there. Then add in more people, more attention.
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One thing I keep procrastinating is teaching my wife and kids on how to load mags.....
My wife and kids don't want to learn how to handle and shoot firearms. Might as well convince them to at least help me with the mag loading..... :grrr:
I don't plan to bug out. We live on an island. Only can go in circles. And the mountains? Nah. I going stay home.
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As a paranoid-confusional, I'll be investigating FRAS armor, a new type of body protection produced by Safelite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs8Cym9wLSs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs8Cym9wLSs)
Scott has tested this against 5.56 and 7.62 mm ammo, which means it's nominally good against Commie rifles. Friggin' expensive, but if my L'Oreal wife is worth it, so is her husband (me).
https://safelifedefense.com/product/uniform-style-flexible-rifle-armor-fras/ (https://safelifedefense.com/product/uniform-style-flexible-rifle-armor-fras/)
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One thing I keep procrastinating is teaching my wife and kids on how to load mags.....
My wife and kids don't want to learn how to handle and shoot firearms. Might as well convince them to at least help me with the mag loading..... :grrr:
I don't plan to bug out. We live on an island. Only can go in circles. And the mountains? Nah. I going stay home.
I'm an old man with a fucked up knee.
so bad I can't ride a bike and can barely drive a manual transmission.
I'm not going anywhere.
But I do have a 3" black powder cannon in my front yard.
:thumbsup:
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Stay as light as you can. Helmet, plates, water. You don't need tons of ammo.
Realistically you're going to die quickly if you stay in place too long as an individual. You're outnumbered so you'll get flanked or flushed out by teams. You're also outgunned so going to take a rocket, a bomb, missile, sniped, tank round, pinned down by machine gun fire, etc in short order. Hit and run, no more than a minute or two in an engagement.
Difficult to work as part of a team too unless you spend a lot of time training together and have good coordination.
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If we could head to the border of a country willing to accept us, we would. Probably if we were in a situation like Ukraine is experiencing now, my wife and I would have left for the border a long time ago, instead of the majority of the people who trusted that diplomacy would prevail.
But we are on an island. An island where at the sound of the first gunshot, our brave and illustrious leaders would be shitting their pants and bringing out the welcome wagon to appease the invaders.
My wife and I are also old. No can run around like we used to. Both my knees are bad and hers are not that much better. So we going stay home and lay quiet and no advertise the fact that I have weapons and millions of ammunition rounds.
If the neighbors want to band together for more security I will be open to join them. Maybe. Depends. Times of crisis affects people differently.
All the war gear preparation would take a back seat to mindset if you ask me. Mindset is what we all should prepare for in case of war. Knowing the odds and being at peace with the result.
I going stay home....
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One thing I keep procrastinating is teaching my wife and kids on how to load mags.....
My wife and kids don't want to learn how to handle and shoot firearms. Might as well convince them to at least help me with the mag loading..... :grrr:
I don't plan to bug out. We live on an island. Only can go in circles. And the mountains? Nah. I going stay home.
Clint Smith had a vid (Clintism) about this. All his mags are loaded. Why, because in a fight, you don't want to be loading mags. He has a nice half size tall milk crate filled with mags under the bed. And a string attached to it so he can pull it out easier. He has an ammo can with mags in his car (illegal in HI).
Just hope ET doesn't land in his back yard. Another Clintism. "If ET lands and all that smoke and lights and shit is coming out from his space ship. I'm gonna ask him 1 time and 1 time only to drop the ray gun. if not he's getting 00 buck. Sorry nothing personal, but welcome to earth". Something like that.
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As a paranoid-confusional, I'll be investigating FRAS armor, a new type of body protection produced by Safelite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs8Cym9wLSs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs8Cym9wLSs)
Scott has tested this against 5.56 and 7.62 mm ammo, which means it's nominally good against Commie rifles. Friggin' expensive, but if my L'Oreal wife is worth it, so is her husband (me).
https://safelifedefense.com/product/uniform-style-flexible-rifle-armor-fras/ (https://safelifedefense.com/product/uniform-style-flexible-rifle-armor-fras/)
Get their 50 cal rated one. Edwin Sarkesian YT channel tested it and it works. You will have every bone in your chest broken, but no penetration at least.
Too bad Dragon Skin went the way of the Dodo by Pinnacle. I tried to goggle why it failed army testing and the only thing there was rumor about was the adhesive holding the coins together melted in heat which caused them to fall to the bottom of the carrier and be useless. I'm sure there were no politics involved like the cost to replace the existing interceptor body armor at the time.
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Get their 50 cal rated one. Edwin Sarkesian YT channel tested it and it works. You will have every bone in your chest broken, but no penetration at least.
Too bad Dragon Skin went the way of the Dodo by Pinnacle. I tried to goggle why it failed army testing and the only thing there was rumor about was the adhesive holding the coins together melted in heat which caused them to fall to the bottom of the carrier and be useless. I'm sure there were no politics involved like the cost to replace the existing interceptor body armor at the time.
Dragon skin was hype. Too many problems and it weighed almost twice as much as the current armor. Throwing an extra 20 pounds of armor on someone is pretty brutal.
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Reason you want to be light in a full blown war is you want to be able to run fast to get away, could be a couple miles. Plus you're going up and down multistory stairs, climbing hills, crawling around, crawling through rubble, etc. You want to be as light as sleek as you can be. You may also have to ditch all of your equipment to hide.