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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: hvybarrels on March 15, 2022, 04:34:30 PM
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According to HPD Lt. Deena Thoemmes, the whole situation started three or four days prior when the Waianae homeowner’s vehicle was burglarized and a gun and cash were stolen.
That homeowner, identified by police as victim #1, did some “self-investigating” and determined who the possible suspects were, Thoemmes said.
Victim #1 eventually was able to contact the alleged car burglars and an arrangement was made to meet up Tuesday morning to negotiate an exchange of the stolen items.
According to Thoemmes, three suspects showed up to the home for the exchange around 8:30 a.m., when one of the suspects pulled a gun and shot at victim #1, grazing him in the head. Victim #1 then pulled a gun of his own and returned fire, striking and killing suspect #1, who fired the initial shot.
An employee of victim #1 -- identified as victim #2 -- arrived at the home at the time of the incident and tried to give first-aid to mortally-wounded suspect. While victim #2 was rendering aid, suspect #2 shot victim #2, causing crucial injuries.
Suspect #2 then got into a black SUV and tried to drive off when victim #1 shot and critically wounded suspect #2.
Suspect #3, who was a passenger in the SUV, took off on foot in the direction of Pokai Bay. HPD says they have not yet positively identified that person. Suspect #3 is described as being a fair-skinned man, clean cut, who was last seen wearing a T-shirt and camouflage colored pants.
https://www.kitv.com/news/crime/alleged-dispute-over-stolen-property-led-to-deadly-shooting-in-waianae-hpd-says/article_dafdbca2-a49e-11ec-95c6-836ae3f9ec69.html
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Victim 1 badass and get good aim.
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Suspect #2 is a f**kn asshole.
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Good thing nobody had ghost guns! :shake: :shake:
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Could be an important self-defense case. Victim #1 was fired at first, then returned fire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXsu8SgG5yk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXsu8SgG5yk)
https://www.khon2.com/hawaii-crime/hpd-are-investigating-possible-shooting-in-waianae/ (https://www.khon2.com/hawaii-crime/hpd-are-investigating-possible-shooting-in-waianae/)
Peter Atai lives nearby. He said he and one of the victims in the shooting had had enough after being burglarized multiple times over the last two weeks. He said they took matters into their own hands and tried to find out who had been stealing from them.
“No matter how much I tried to call the police department, their hands are tied. They can’t get there at the time that we need to capture the people who are doing this,’ Atai said.
Lt. Thoemmes said the prosecutor’s office will have to determine whether the shooting can be considered self defense.
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What kind of d*ck shoots an uninvolved guy who is giving your friend/accomplice cpr. Smh
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Seems like the victim(s) and the suspect(s) were not strangers.
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Lets see if any charges are filed against the homeowner.
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Lets see if any charges are filed against the homeowner.
I get one. Committing an unauthorized investigation resulting in 2nd degree murder and aggravated assault. Since guns were involved, I am sure they going charge someone with something. They couldn't let it go, could they? After all, if the homeowner didn't investigate who stole from him, which the cops were too lazy to do, none of this would have happened. If go to trial, I like be on the jury. I guarantee at least a hung jury because I would not convict victim 1 for killing suspect 1 and wounding suspect 2.
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I get one. Committing an unauthorized investigation resulting in 2nd degree murder and aggravated assault. Since guns were involved, I am sure they going charge someone with something. They couldn't let it go, could they? After all, if the homeowner didn't investigate who stole from him, which the cops were too lazy to do, none of this would have happened. If go to trial, I like be on the jury. I guarantee at least a hung jury because I would not convict victim 1 for killing suspect 1 and wounding suspect 2.
There's no indication in the OP post saying any of the victims filed a police report regarding the initial car break-in and firearm theft.
[§134-29] Reporting lost, stolen, or destroyed firearms; penalties.
(a) Every person shall report the loss, theft, or destruction of a firearm
that the person owns or possesses within twenty-four hours upon the
discovery of such loss, theft, or destruction
it's a misdemeanor, but it can become the charge upon which other charges can be predicated, since his failure to report the theft directly lead to the self-investigation, which then resulted in the shootings and death. The police can't investigate if the theft goes unreported.
If the theft was reported within a day of discovery, then .... never mind.
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There's no indication in the OP post saying any of the victims filed a police report regarding the initial car break-in and firearm theft.
it's a misdemeanor, but it can become the charge upon which other charges can be predicated, since his failure to report the theft directly lead to the self-investigation, which then resulted in the shootings and death. The police can't investigate if the theft goes unreported.
If the theft was reported within a day of discovery, then .... never mind.
If this all happened within 24hrs, then he should get an honorary detective badge from HPD.
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If this all happened within 24hrs, then he should get an honorary detective badge from HPD.
The OP article said, "Honolulu police say it all stemmed from a car break-in several days ago, in which cash and a firearm were stolen."
Sounds like it happened more than a day or two after the theft.
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The OP article said, "Honolulu police say it all stemmed from a car break-in several days ago, in which cash and a firearm were stolen."
Sounds like it happened more that a day or two after the theft.
At least the 24hrs to report has been covered. But places to keep shall be interesting.
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If this all happened within 24hrs, then he should get an honorary detective badge from HPD.
theft from car was 3 days previous, i believe
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I saw an interview on the news where stuff was stolen from them before, reported to HPD and nothing was done. Same on the BI and that is why couple people I know who got stuff stolen didn't bother to report it. Waste of time.
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I saw an interview on the news where stuff was stolen from them before, reported to HPD and nothing was done. Same on the BI and that is why couple people I know who got stuff stolen didn't bother to report it. Waste of time.
That's true of all petty thefts -- robs you of precious time to report something that will likely never be recovered.
Most people who decide to file a report either know who did it, or their insurance carrier requires a copy of a police report before paying a claim.
Honolulu now has an online form for non-emergency reporting. If people know about this, it should improve the accuracy of crime stats and help document cases that may become frequent or escalate into something worse -- like a burglary that escalated into a homicide.
https://www.honolulupd.org/police-reports/
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Reminder why "two is one, one is none" :hmm:
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Also, stellar reporting as always. Seems like there's a LOT more to this story (always are). But also somewhat part of the dynamics of smaller and tight knit communities.
Have "a friend" that is well known in his community and has a property where "only a fool" would break in and take stuff. Well, there was a break in and stuff stolen a while back. Word was sent out to return stuff since some items had sentimental value. A couple of days later, the items were returned. . .
I had heard of those stories, but always 5-6 person versions. Never from the person it happened to.
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https://www.kitv.com/news/crime/waianae-father-survives-shootout-with-strangers-arriving-in-driveway/article_773e51aa-a501-11ec-9afb-2f93254872e4.html?fbclid=IwAR3XGr9MVJE5KuNJiZIoqE2tj3mXnEBYx66BUBJXBr6wQ1y4dn-Gl4vMyaw
She's a stripper too. Nice.
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https://www.kitv.com/news/crime/waianae-father-survives-shootout-with-strangers-arriving-in-driveway/article_773e51aa-a501-11ec-9afb-2f93254872e4.html?fbclid=IwAR3XGr9MVJE5KuNJiZIoqE2tj3mXnEBYx66BUBJXBr6wQ1y4dn-Gl4vMyaw
She's a stripper too. Nice.
From "chatter"?
Or you recognize her?
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https://www.kitv.com/news/crime/waianae-father-survives-shootout-with-strangers-arriving-in-driveway/article_773e51aa-a501-11ec-9afb-2f93254872e4.html?fbclid=IwAR3XGr9MVJE5KuNJiZIoqE2tj3mXnEBYx66BUBJXBr6wQ1y4dn-Gl4vMyaw
She's a stripper too. Nice.
Everyone has a special talent....
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remember the stories about that day we may or may not have visited "a friend up north" and some things may have been taken from the lot that day?
i think the items were returned...
Also, stellar reporting as always. Seems like there's a LOT more to this story (always are). But also somewhat part of the dynamics of smaller and tight knit communities.
Have "a friend" that is well known in his community and has a property where "only a fool" would break in and take stuff. Well, there was a break in and stuff stolen a while back. Word was sent out to return stuff since some items had sentimental value. A couple of days later, the items were returned. . .
I had heard of those stories, but always 5-6 person versions. Never from the person it happened to.
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remember the stories about that day we may or may not have visited "a friend up north" and some things may have been taken from the lot that day?
i think the items were returned...
Oh yeah, him too!
Nobody messes wit Da Hui!
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Diis morning news said Chad Doran, aka suspect 1, was out on parole afta serving 9 years fo 2nd degree murder. He shot a man in da face. During dat case, he told da court he neva mean fo kill da guy. It was a mistake and he not one bad person. Ah, ok den.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7D-pUoqtjc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7D-pUoqtjc)
This video features attorney Doug Chin commenting on self-defense laws in HI. Imperative that victim 1 keep his mouth shut. Get a lawyer.
Remember, we the citizens of HI are the jury, and we have the final say about whether a defendant is not guilty.
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From dat interview with dat prick Chinn, you kno if he waz da prosecutor he wud try hang somting on victim 1. Lik if you had time fo go insai yoa hale, why you neva jus stay dea instead of com outsai fo shoot bak da guy.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7D-pUoqtjc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7D-pUoqtjc)
This video features attorney Doug Chin commenting on self-defense laws in HI. Imperative that victim 1 keep his mouth shut. Get a lawyer.
Remember, we the citizens of HI are the jury, and we have the final say about whether a defendant is not guilty.
Shoot, shovel, and shut up.
But you guys expected me to write that.
:shaka:
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Shoot, shovel, and shut up.
But you guys expected me to write that.
:shaka:
Mo betta make um shovel, den shoot and shut up.
You getting too old fo do dat kine work.
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The state should leave that home owner alone but you know they can't.
Too many plebs might get the idea that we have rights or something
You can see how excited Doug is to drag the victim through the justice system and extracting every last ounce of their wealth.
Law enforcement in this state is already broken, and it's about to get a whole lot worse.
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https://www.kitv.com/news/crime/man-killed-in-waianae-shootout-identified/article_18a10f20-a704-11ec-91df-274d332944bb.html
Pretty good recap video for those who may not have seen it.
Homeowners name is used. Some here may recognize it.
Stand up guy.
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I read Hawaiifreepress every day.
This was in their post on this subject.
"A spokesman replied: "We have not made any charging decisions regarding that portion of the case. It is still under active investigation.” He did [nopt] say: “You have to understand that this homeowner took one of our most promising young criminals from us just as he was hitting his stride. That kind of wrongdoing cannot go unpunished."…
Pretty good characterization of some(not all) government officials.
I could not do better.
:thumbsup:
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My opinion.
When fired upon on your own property, permission to fire back on your property.
No brainer. Hopefully, closed book this one.
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My opinion.
When fired upon on your own property, permission to fire back on your property.
No brainer. Hopefully, closed book this one.
How much you want to bet the guns weren't registered?
I'll send HIFCO(sp?) twenty bucks if they were.
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Chin is an ass. Travel ban lawsuit filed, only to be dropped when he lost the run for mayor. Wasted resources to get his name in the paper.
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Chin is an ass.
He ugly too.