Post by: rhayder on April 02, 2022, 07:46:34 PM
Socialism phobia: a condition that leaves sufferers unaware that the United States has enjoyed a capitalistic-socialistic form of government since before they were born. In the more severe cases of
socialism phobia, those saddled with the disorder have been observed, at the mention of the sword, to fly to their basement safe rooms where for hours they warily peer from behind floor-to-ceiling crates of survival rations until lured out by family members’ announcements that Tucker Carlson is coming on.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 02, 2022, 07:51:57 PM
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Post by: changemyoil66 on April 02, 2022, 08:09:15 PM
My observation is that most of the people here think social anything = evil. Maybe they should burn their social security checks and refuse medicare in protest? Then when a child is born in their family that requires millions of dollars worth of medical care to save, what will they decide? I ask myself.. what would Jesus do?They see the bigger issue. So SWWWOOOOSSSHHHHHH
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 02, 2022, 08:25:08 PM
My observation is that most of the people here think social anything = evil. Maybe they should burn their social security checks and refuse medicare in protest? Then when a child is born in their family that requires millions of dollars worth of medical care to save, what will they decide? I ask myself.. what would Jesus do?
Maybe you should go read all the Socialist and Communist discussions already on here, and THEN tell us what you observed.
Post by: hvybarrels on April 02, 2022, 08:32:14 PM
So much negativity makes my head hurt.
It’s much easier to listen to what comes out of the CIA propaganda machine.
“Orange man bad. Communism good. Only terrorists talk about rights.”
Post by: macsak on April 02, 2022, 08:34:25 PM
So much negativity makes my head hurt.
cool story, bro
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 02, 2022, 08:38:06 PM
So much negativity makes my head hurt.
Yet, here you are ready to regurgitate those discussions as if you suddenly have different answers.
Your head ought to hurt. The garbage you have rolling around upstairs can't be healthy.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 02, 2022, 10:30:53 PM
Then it appears they may not be very good at communicating or expressing themselves.Or maybe u dont understand.
#doesntunderstandsocialism
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Post by: changemyoil66 on April 02, 2022, 10:32:26 PM
Maybe you should go read all the Socialist and Communist discussions already on here, and THEN tell us what you observed.Like how i told xim prevouslly to read other threads and come back with an opinion. Which xhe never did.
#doesntknowhowtosearch
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Post by: changemyoil66 on April 02, 2022, 10:32:54 PM
So much negativity makes my head hurt.U mean fact based info.
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Post by: aletheuo137 on April 03, 2022, 09:06:02 AM
My observation is that most of the people here think social anything = evil. Maybe they should burn their social security checks and refuse medicare in protest? Then when a child is born in their family that requires millions of dollars worth of medical care to save, what will they decide? I ask myself.. what would Jesus do?And your answer?
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Post by: aletheuo137 on April 03, 2022, 09:08:49 AM
So much negativity makes my head hurt.You should stop all those negative articles on Trump, maybe your head would stop hurting!
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Post by: groveler on April 03, 2022, 09:35:22 AM
My observation is that most of the people here think social anything = evil. Maybe they should burn their social security checks and refuse medicare in protest? Then when a child is born in their family that requires millions of dollars worth of medical care to save, what will they decide? I ask myself.. what would Jesus do?You have a rather perverted concept of "Social".
Social Security and Medicare that I receive, I paid for
and continue to this day to pay for.
As for Medical care, that requires the services of other people,
you have no "right" to those services as they are not your slaves.
How you pay them is YOUR personal problem, not ours.
Socialism is where the government takes from me, my property
and arbitrarily gives it to someone else, because those people
are more numerous and can out vote me.
They are evil. They are thieves. I repudiate them.
Regardless of their political party affiliation.
>:D
Post by: robtmc on April 03, 2022, 10:02:53 AM
Your head ought to hurt. The garbage you have rolling around upstairs can't be healthy.Maybe it is PMS?
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 03, 2022, 10:30:51 AM
You should stop all those negative articles on Trump, maybe your head would stop hurting!TDS is incurable for some.
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Post by: astroboy on April 03, 2022, 12:13:38 PM
https://youtu.be/7Sb-eNku-54
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 03, 2022, 01:33:32 PM
Barrel lenth minimum, mag limit, may issue ccw, p80 limit, same same. End game is total ban on guns.
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Post by: mrgaf on April 03, 2022, 03:28:10 PM
https://www.wvgazettemail.com/opinion/columnists/joseph-wyatt-much-of-america-runs-on-socialistic-capitalism-opinion/article_868b4e43-b3ff-56a6-88d5-833fdf06db6b.html (https://www.wvgazettemail.com/opinion/columnists/joseph-wyatt-much-of-america-runs-on-socialistic-capitalism-opinion/article_868b4e43-b3ff-56a6-88d5-833fdf06db6b.html)
Socialism phobia: a condition that leaves sufferers unaware that the United States has enjoyed a capitalistic-socialistic form of government since before they were born. In the more severe cases of
socialism phobia, those saddled with the disorder have been observed, at the mention of the sword, to fly to their basement safe rooms where for hours they warily peer from behind floor-to-ceiling crates of survival rations until lured out by family members’ announcements that Tucker Carlson is coming on.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 03, 2022, 03:48:34 PM
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The following are some of the reasons why most people—even intelligent, ambitious business students—are afraid of capitalism:https://www.capitalismmagazine.com/2017/03/why-do-people-fear-capitalism/
- A sense of duty to take care of others, and in turn, desire to be taken care of, based on
the altruist idea permeating our culture that we are our brothers’ keepers. People find it
comforting that the government—by collecting taxes from us—provides a ‘safety net’ for
those who cannot look after themselves, including ourselves should some misfortune strike.
- Inability to project alternatives to the current system. For most of us, government-run
education and health care systems, private postal service, roads and utilities, or regulated
business, are the given. Government has always provided “services” to us; they are our
entitlements. If everything was privatized, nobody, except the rich, could afford education,
health care, or even using the roads! If government didn’t regulate businesses, we would
be killed or hurt by their products!
- Lack of confidence in one’s ability survive and flourish—which means a lack of confidence
in one’s ability to think and solve problems. This is a fundamental insecurity many people
have, due to the inadequate education they have received in the government school system
where they never learned to think independently and in principles.
However, the above reasons are not grounded in facts and can be countered by showing how
capitalism, instead of benefitting a few, is the only social system that makes human flourishing
possible for everybody.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 03, 2022, 09:14:36 PM
Why Do People Fear Capitalism?https://www.capitalismmagazine.com/2017/03/why-do-people-fear-capitalism/Those who fear it, dont understand the bigger picture. Same people want free health care and never experienced it.
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Post by: hvybarrels on April 03, 2022, 10:01:21 PM
You think the CIA is out to get you?
Well they do control the media and give people like you your worst ideas, so yeah.
Post by: macsak on April 03, 2022, 10:13:52 PM
You are the working class, you are being exploited and you don't even realize it.
cool story, bro...
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 03, 2022, 10:16:00 PM
You are the working class, you are being exploited and you don't even realize it.So u know what i do? What if i own a hospital or have millions to pay cash for treatment?
#UnderSiege2assumptionsquote
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Post by: changemyoil66 on April 03, 2022, 10:17:31 PM
If you had a child born that required 3 million dollars in medical bills to keep alive and now is no longer eligible for health insurance resulting in your medical bankruptcy and loss of your business and home.. you would be singing a different tune.#wantssocialisthealthcareandneverexpediencedit
All the people i met in person who have/had free healthcare said it sucks.
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Post by: eyeeatingfish on April 03, 2022, 10:17:56 PM
https://www.wvgazettemail.com/opinion/columnists/joseph-wyatt-much-of-america-runs-on-socialistic-capitalism-opinion/article_868b4e43-b3ff-56a6-88d5-833fdf06db6b.html (https://www.wvgazettemail.com/opinion/columnists/joseph-wyatt-much-of-america-runs-on-socialistic-capitalism-opinion/article_868b4e43-b3ff-56a6-88d5-833fdf06db6b.html)
Socialism phobia: a condition that leaves sufferers unaware that the United States has enjoyed a capitalistic-socialistic form of government since before they were born. In the more severe cases of
socialism phobia, those saddled with the disorder have been observed, at the mention of the sword, to fly to their basement safe rooms where for hours they warily peer from behind floor-to-ceiling crates of survival rations until lured out by family members’ announcements that Tucker Carlson is coming on.
Socialism phobia is, in part, based on misunderstanding of socialism to be sure however it is still rooted in rational and justifiable reasons to fear socialism.
Bottom line: Anyone who says socialism bad or socialism good clearly doesn't show enough comprehension of the concept of socialism to take seriously. Like any other social structure it exists on a specturm and doesn't fit neatly in any single box.
Post by: hvybarrels on April 03, 2022, 10:40:23 PM
Anyone who says socialism bad or socialism good clearly doesn't show enough comprehension of the concept of socialism to take seriously. Like any other social structure it exists on a specturm and doesn't fit neatly in any single box.
Usualy when people talk about socialism they aren’t referring to fire departments or universal healthcare, but a system of government that will fill mass graves with the bodies of anyone who ever dared to disagree with them.
Post by: eyeeatingfish on April 03, 2022, 10:47:50 PM
Usualy when people talk about socialism they aren’t referring to fire departments or universal healthcare, but a system of government that will fill mass graves with the bodies of anyone who ever dared to disagree with them.
Thats part of the problem though, speaking of a broad subject through the lens of a narrow slice of that subject.
Post by: hvybarrels on April 03, 2022, 11:08:10 PM
Thats part of the problem though, speaking of a broad subject through the lens of a narrow slice of that subject.
People who talk about how wonderful socialism is have very definite goals.
Nobody is going to let a rapist get away with it just because they insist on calling it a "struggle snuggle".
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 03, 2022, 11:14:39 PM
If you had a child born that required 3 million dollars in medical bills to keep alive and now is no longer eligible for health insurance resulting in your medical bankruptcy and loss of your business and home.. you would be singing a different tune.
Yeah ... no.
Tax dollars are not collected to provide charitable services. If they were, we'd be paying for a never-ending collection of charities getting free money whether the people paying for them agreed with those charities' activities or not.
Allowing me to donate to the person who needs $3M in medical procedures is charity. Government forcing me to pay for someone else's $3M medical needs is theft.
Post by: hvybarrels on April 03, 2022, 11:25:01 PM
Yeah ... no.
Tax dollars are not collected to provide charitable services. If they were, we'd be paying for a never-ending collection of charities getting free money whether the people paying for them agreed with those charities' activities or not.
Allowing me to donate to the person who needs $3M in medical procedures is charity. Government forcing me to pay for someone else's $3M medical needs is theft.
There's also a reason that procedure costs $3M which is the industry controls the government and uses them to create monopolies, which means for all intents and purposes the industry IS the government, which is a fancy way of saying the means of production are owned by the state.
If you want to complain about it you can always send a letter to the editor of a newspaper owned by the health insurance parent company or post it on social media they advertise with... oh wait... never mind.
No need to wish for Communism. We already have the "free market" version, along with the most expensive healthcare with the worst outcomes in the industrialized world.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 03, 2022, 11:48:44 PM
There's also a reason that procedure costs $3M which is the industry controls the government and uses them to create monopolies, which means for all intents and purposes the industry IS the government, which is a fancy way of saying the means of production are owned by the state.
If you want to complain about it you can always send a letter to the editor of a newspaper owned by the health insurance parent company or post it on social media they advertise with... oh wait... never mind.
No need to wish for Communism. We already have the "free market" version, along with the most expensive healthcare with the worst outcomes in the industrialized world.
Yes, that's the flip side of this "what if" coin.
When gov't subsidizes services like healthcare, costs go up. Look at how far college tuitions have risen due to easy money subsidized by federal student loans.
The market sets prices for goods and services based on what buyers are WILLING AND ABLE to pay. Gov't subsidies makes us able to pay more, even though that money may had to be repaid via loan payments or taxes.
Post by: eyeeatingfish on April 09, 2022, 01:21:19 PM
People who talk about how wonderful socialism is have very definite goals.
Nobody is going to let a rapist get away with it just because they insist on calling it a "struggle snuggle".
I think you assume too much in terms of their intentions or goals.
Not saying there aren't people who want full socialism but there are many who, I think, just want a few more social services (socialistic programs)
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 09, 2022, 07:06:33 PM
I think you assume too much in terms of their intentions or goals.
Not saying there aren't people who want full socialism but there are many who, I think, just want a few more social services (socialistic programs)
You've obviously not bothered to read the Democratic Socialist's website. You need to take your time going through their objectives. Like where they say they are not proponents of state control over the means of production ...... yet.
They are trying to get a foot in the door -- just enough so it doesn't close on them. Once they achieve control using vague and dishonest narratives, they will do what all Socialist governments in the past have done: implement whatever austere measures they want, get wealthy on the backs of others, and attempt to destroy anyone who tries to oppose them.
https://www.dsausa.org/
Post by: aieahound on April 09, 2022, 10:19:09 PM
It’s like diarrhea.
Folks here Can’t not hold it.
Post by: robtmc on April 10, 2022, 08:16:40 PM
Post by: eyeeatingfish on April 13, 2022, 03:37:33 PM
You've obviously not bothered to read the Democratic Socialist's website. You need to take your time going through their objectives. Like where they say they are not proponents of state control over the means of production ...... yet.
They are trying to get a foot in the door -- just enough so it doesn't close on them. Once they achieve control using vague and dishonest narratives, they will do what all Socialist governments in the past have done: implement whatever austere measures they want, get wealthy on the backs of others, and attempt to destroy anyone who tries to oppose them.
https://www.dsausa.org/
We weren't discussing any specific group just a general ideology. Hence my comment about broad statements.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 13, 2022, 04:41:16 PM
We weren't discussing any specific group just a general ideology. Hence my comment about broad statements.
That GROUP defined the IDEOLOGY you wanted to discuss. But, deflection is a useful form of ignoring the topic when you know you're wrong.
Spin it how you wish, but facts are facts. The website is the definitive source.
Post by: mrgaf on April 13, 2022, 07:21:31 PM
https://www.wvgazettemail.com/opinion/columnists/joseph-wyatt-much-of-america-runs-on-socialistic-capitalism-opinion/article_868b4e43-b3ff-56a6-88d5-833fdf06db6b.html (https://www.wvgazettemail.com/opinion/columnists/joseph-wyatt-much-of-america-runs-on-socialistic-capitalism-opinion/article_868b4e43-b3ff-56a6-88d5-833fdf06db6b.html)
Socialism phobia: a condition that leaves sufferers unaware that the United States has enjoyed a capitalistic-socialistic form of government since before they were born. In the more severe cases of
socialism phobia, those saddled with the disorder have been observed, at the mention of the sword, to fly to their basement safe rooms where for hours they warily peer from behind floor-to-ceiling crates of survival rations until lured out by family members’ announcements that Tucker Carlson is coming on.
Most of your posts run on hot air interlaced with a heaping portion of methane! :D
Post by: eyeeatingfish on April 25, 2022, 11:04:54 PM
That GROUP defined the IDEOLOGY you wanted to discuss. But, deflection is a useful form of ignoring the topic when you know you're wrong.
Spin it how you wish, but facts are facts. The website is the definitive source.
What part of
"We weren't discussing any specific group just a general ideology."
didn't you get?
Post by: groveler on April 26, 2022, 06:52:11 AM
My job was to make complex things simple and they work.
at the lowest cost, in a reasonable time frame, reliable, and maintainable.
Socialism has none of those characteristics.
Capitalism as brutal as it is has all those characteristics, along with another one that Socialism abhors.
Freedom.
:worship:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 26, 2022, 12:49:49 PM
What part of
"We weren't discussing any specific group just a general ideology."
didn't you get?
ideologies didn't create themselves. If you can't discuss the facts around the topic, don't try to control the narrative as if the people pushing Democratic Socialism are irrelevant.
Post by: eyeeatingfish on May 03, 2022, 09:56:15 PM
ideologies didn't create themselves. If you can't discuss the facts around the topic, don't try to control the narrative as if the people pushing Democratic Socialism are irrelevant.
::)
Sorry oh great Flapp, I did not know I was prohibited from talking about socialism separate from certain groups that push socialism. I didn't know you controlled the conversations here, my sincerest apologies.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 04, 2022, 03:33:19 AM
::)
Sorry oh great Flapp, I did not know I was prohibited from talking about socialism separate from certain groups that push socialism. I didn't know you controlled the conversations here, my sincerest apologies.
After a whole week, THAT'S the best you could come up with?
Instead of trolling me, maybe you could post something about that actual topic.
I'll look forward to your next nugget of wisdom in another week when you again emerge from under your bridge.
Post by: eyeeatingfish on May 16, 2022, 01:37:23 PM
After a whole week, THAT'S the best you could come up with?
Instead of trolling me, maybe you could post something about that actual topic.
I'll look forward to your next nugget of wisdom in another week when you again emerge from under your bridge.
It is all I need to come up with.
Me and another poster were discussing the general topic and you couldn't stand it apparently. For some unknown reason we had to talk about some specific organization just because you wanted it that way.
You didn't start the thread and you don't own the forum so perhaps you can guess where I would tell you to put your suggestion....Go ahead and ask if you can't figure it out.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 16, 2022, 02:27:57 PM
It is all I need to come up with.
Me and another poster were discussing the general topic and you couldn't stand it apparently. For some unknown reason we had to talk about some specific organization just because you wanted it that way.
You didn't start the thread and you don't own the forum so perhaps you can guess where I would tell you to put your suggestion....Go ahead and ask if you can't figure it out.
Cool story, bro.
I don't know why I even bother when you're always a week or more behind the discussion.
:stopjack:
Post by: eyeeatingfish on May 26, 2022, 01:51:31 PM
Cool story, bro.
I don't know why I even bother when you're always a week or more behind the discussion.
:stopjack:
Simple solution, don't put your foot in your mouth and then you don't have to try defending the indefensible whether 1 day or 1 week later.