Post by: changemyoil66 on May 04, 2022, 07:07:39 AM
This seems familiar...i wonder how many are being paid.
When law makers who support the ability to choose throw tantrums in public, this doesnt help keep the peace.
Typical response when 1 side doesnt get their way. Wait till the actual ruling is made.
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Post by: RSN172 on May 04, 2022, 09:04:06 AM
Post by: oldfart on May 04, 2022, 10:03:30 AM
I tend to side with the baby's rights.
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 04, 2022, 10:14:06 AM
Crazy Mazie was on TV yesterday ranting about women's constitutional rights.
I tend to side with the baby's rights.
I like who people like her pick and choose when the constitution applies.
Post by: mrgaf on May 04, 2022, 10:24:01 AM
Crazy Mazie was on TV yesterday ranting about women's constitutional rights.
I tend to side with the baby's rights.
The only time I would support abortion is Hirono’s!
Post by: mrgaf on May 04, 2022, 10:24:52 AM
It begun last night in LA.many wearing black hoodies and face coverings. Cops being assaulted again.
This seems familiar...i wonder how many are being paid.
When law makers who support the ability to choose throw tantrums in public, this doesnt help keep the peace.
Typical response when 1 side doesnt get their way. Wait till the actual ruling is made.
Summer of Love 3.0
Increased gun sales coming soon.
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Simple solution….dirt nap all them bastards…..problem solved!
Post by: oldfart on May 04, 2022, 10:48:12 AM
The only time I would support abortion is Hirono’s!===========
Is there such a thing as retroactive abortion?
or perhaps
"Re-imagined abortion"
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 04, 2022, 11:05:29 AM
The biggest problem is the LEAK.
Name another time the Supreme Court's opinions, deliberations or other internal, confidential documents were intentionally leaked to the press without authorization.
Someone needs to be barred from the legal & justice professions, assuming this was a law clerk.
(https://i.imgur.com/NdcSgTC.jpg?1)
Post by: groveler on May 04, 2022, 11:33:16 AM
this whole thing is all Democrats and
a lack of morals, religion, and civility.
I think the court has WAY too much power
(Marbury V Madison) was a bad decision.
This whole thing belongs in state legislatures,
not a frigging court room.
:wave:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 04, 2022, 11:41:45 AM
At the risk of being called a Kuleana,
this whole thing is all Democrats and
a lack of morals, religion, and civility.
I think the court has WAY too much power
(Marbury V Madison) was a bad decision.
This whole thing belongs in state legislatures,
not a frigging court room.
:wave:
The original 1973 decision was a political one, not one based on the Constitution or existing law. In fact, it bypassed the Constitution, overriding what was and should still be a state-decided issue.
This leaked decision paper is also a political move -- an attempt to rally pro-abortion groups and protestors to try and FORCE the court to change their opinion before it's published. If the decision isn't published by November, this issue will be a rallying point for Dems to try and elect pro-abortion Democrats to Congress so the overturned Roe ruling can be recreated statutorily.
Funny how some Congress critters are saying this is killing "democracy". Trying to force the Supreme Court to rule how you want through civil unrest is not how democracy works. You can elect the politicians who'll enact your desired abortion laws AT THE STATE LEVEL without using the federal government to force all other states to comply with that.
Roe was bad law on its face. It's time someone with the power to fix or repeal it did so.
Nobody is making it ILLEGAL to get an abortion. States that are pro-life are simply placing limitations on when the procedure can be performed.
I have a feeling there will soon be a thriving interstate market for the "morning after" pill, too.
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 04, 2022, 11:53:20 AM
I think this is a plan by the left just to get votes. They are failing on 1 issue after another. So this and the 2A are their last 2 to keep voters.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 04, 2022, 12:07:45 PM
So what part of the constitution are they claiming this would violate?
I think this is a plan by the left just to get votes. They are failing on 1 issue after another. So this and the 2A are their last 2 to keep voters.
Nobody on that side is debating the actual Constitutional text. If they did, they'd be disproving themselves. The original decision didn't even address the MOTHER'S right to an abortion. It said doctors who perform abortions have a right of privacy between themselves and their patients, and therefore the government can't make it illegal for DOCTORS to perform abortions.
They then piggybacked off that rationale to say patients via doctor's privacy rights also have privacy rights when seeking an abortion.
However, the ruling also set real limits on when in the pregnancy abortions could be performed with some exceptions, and over time those exceptions have been eroded and eliminated in most cases. The slogan from Gov. Bill Clinton in 1992, and for his supporters, was for abortions to be "Safe, legal and rare." Now those same groups cry for abortions to be "Free, unrestricted and unlimited for all."
Quote
In 2012, the Democratic Party excised the word “rare” from its official platform,https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/how-democrats-purged-safe-legal-rare-from-the-party/2019/11/15/369af73c-01a4-11ea-8bab-0fc209e065a8_story.html
writing instead that it favored “safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay.”
"Right to privacy"
"Abortion is a right"
"My body, my choice"
"Roe is settled law"
They don't have a logical, Constitutional argument. All they have are slogans.
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 04, 2022, 12:19:58 PM
Nobody on that side is debating the actual Constitutional text.
Crazy Maize is. And I'm gonna assume more to follow. Let's move this to the other thread.
Post by: bass monkey on May 04, 2022, 01:45:00 PM
It begun last night in LA.many wearing black hoodies and face coverings. Cops being assaulted again.
This seems familiar...i wonder how many are being paid.
When law makers who support the ability to choose throw tantrums in public, this doesnt help keep the peace.
Typical response when 1 side doesnt get their way. Wait till the actual ruling is made.
Summer of Love 3.0
Increased gun sales coming soon.
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I thought they were passed at Biden for not meeting after he won.
Maybe they got a sweet heart deal for more mansions
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 04, 2022, 03:46:04 PM
Post by: Rocky on May 05, 2022, 01:01:09 PM
Name another time the Supreme Court's opinions, deliberations or other internal, confidential documents were intentionally leaked to the press without authorization.
(https://i.imgur.com/NdcSgTC.jpg?1)
Stephen Breyer's retirement.
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 05, 2022, 01:39:47 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 05, 2022, 04:35:30 PM
Stephen Breyer's retirement.
Doesn't count. That was an individual, personal decision, not a case being considered by the entire court.
The real answer is, this is the first time that we know of since the Supreme Court was created that this kind of leak has ever occurred.
The court was founded on the premise that it would have 100% integrity and autonomy to make judicial decisions without the pressures and influences of outside political parties. It's one reason these are lifetime appointments. It eliminates the potential conflict of facing removal from the bench if your decisions are unpopular or run in opposition to your particular political faction.
I've listened to a number of people who researched it. Based on my research and their conclusions, this kind of pre-publication of an internal SCOTUS decision paper has never happened.
Post by: mrgaf on May 05, 2022, 05:49:02 PM
At the risk of being called a Kuleana,
this whole thing is all Democrats and
a lack of morals, religion, and civility.
I think the court has WAY too much power
(Marbury V Madison) was a bad decision.
This whole thing belongs in state legislatures,
not a frigging court room.
:wave:
Agree….
Post by: Rocky on May 06, 2022, 09:16:17 AM
Doesn't count. That was an individual, personal decision, not a case being considered by the entire court.The news of Stephen Breyer's retirement.was "leaked" prior to public statement.
The real answer is, this is the first time that we know of since the Supreme Court was created that this kind of leak has ever occurred.
The court was founded on the premise that it would have 100% integrity and autonomy to make judicial decisions without the pressures and influences of outside political parties. It's one reason these are lifetime appointments. It eliminates the potential conflict of facing removal from the bench if your decisions are unpopular or run in opposition to your particular political faction.
I've listened to a number of people who researched it. Based on my research and their conclusions, this kind of pre-publication of an internal SCOTUS decision paper has never happened.
counts
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 06, 2022, 11:05:54 AM
The news of Stephen Breyer's retirement.was "leaked" prior to public statement.
counts
If you say so.
All leaks are the same regardless of content.
Post by: drck1000 on May 06, 2022, 12:47:17 PM
Quote
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” he writes in the document, labeled as the “Opinion of the Court.” “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/02/supreme-court-abortion-draft-opinion-00029473 (https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/02/supreme-court-abortion-draft-opinion-00029473)
Go bark up that tree.
Post by: Rocky on May 06, 2022, 01:37:25 PM
Seems like another situation where many folks are all riled up for something that I don't think is a big deal. Talk about "group think".Speaking of barking, take a look at the pic on the link and tell me which of those pictured should worry about needing an abortion. :popcorn:
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/02/supreme-court-abortion-draft-opinion-00029473 (https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/02/supreme-court-abortion-draft-opinion-00029473)
Go bark up that tree.
Apologizing in advance.
Post by: macsak on May 06, 2022, 01:47:32 PM
Seems like another situation where many folks are all riled up for something that I don't think is a big deal. Talk about "group think".
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/02/supreme-court-abortion-draft-opinion-00029473 (https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/02/supreme-court-abortion-draft-opinion-00029473)
Go bark up that tree.
even RBG said that it was unconstitutional...
Post by: aieahound on May 06, 2022, 01:59:57 PM
Doesn't count. That was an individual, personal decision, not a case being considered by the entire court.
The real answer is, this is the first time that we know of since the Supreme Court was created that this kind of leak has ever occurred.
The court was founded on the premise that it would have 100% integrity and autonomy to make judicial decisions without the pressures and influences of outside political parties. It's one reason these are lifetime appointments. It eliminates the potential conflict of facing removal from the bench if your decisions are unpopular or run in opposition to your particular political faction.
I've listened to a number of people who researched it. Based on my research and their conclusions, this kind of pre-publication of an internal SCOTUS decision paper has never happened.
“ Rare but not unprecedented Supreme Court leak considered 'staggering”
“Those episodes exhibit that the leak this week of a draft majority opinion in a major abortion case is not as unparalleled as some commentators have suggested, University of Georgia media law professor Jonathan Peters says.
Supreme Court leaks are rare but not unprecedented, he says, citing some well-documented disclosures involving soon-to-be released opinions or books that pulled back the velvet curtain on the justices and their workplace,…”
https://www.abajournal.com/web/article/rare-but-not-unprecedented-supreme-court-leak-considered-staggering
But I am not a lawyer or journalist. 8)
If this becomes official, Portland’s gonna burn.
Even though it’ll still be legal Oregon. :wacko:
Post by: aletheuo137 on May 06, 2022, 02:05:01 PM
“ Rare but not unprecedented Supreme Court leak considered 'staggering”@notareallawyer @notarealjournalist
“Those episodes exhibit that the leak this week of a draft majority opinion in a major abortion case is not as unparalleled as some commentators have suggested, University of Georgia media law professor Jonathan Peters says.
Supreme Court leaks are rare but not unprecedented, he says, citing some well-documented disclosures involving soon-to-be released opinions or books that pulled back the velvet curtain on the justices and their workplace,…”
https://www.abajournal.com/web/article/rare-but-not-unprecedented-supreme-court-leak-considered-staggering
But I am not a lawyer or journalist. 8)
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Post by: aieahound on May 06, 2022, 02:08:31 PM
My prediction:
Funny the real violence is mostly gonna be in States where abortion remains legal.
( and in part where defund the police remains strong.)
Post by: drck1000 on May 06, 2022, 02:47:04 PM
even RBG said that it was unconstitutional...totally missed the point, but yeah, that too. . .
how quickly the woke take a nap. . .
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 07, 2022, 05:35:52 PM
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Post by: changemyoil66 on May 07, 2022, 06:07:41 PM
Sounds familiar
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 07, 2022, 10:40:48 PM
One video of protesters outside a church showed them chanting, "Thank god for abortion!"
These people are sick.
https://youtu.be/vMaX12syK80
Post by: aletheuo137 on May 08, 2022, 06:45:04 AM
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Post by: Rocky on May 08, 2022, 06:55:52 AM
Speaking of barking, take a look at the pic on the link and tell me which of those pictured should worry about needing an abortion. :popcorn:(https://i.imgur.com/P6CAZ5pl.jpg)
Apologizing in advance.
Post by: groveler on May 08, 2022, 07:07:28 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/P6CAZ5pl.jpg)I have a daughter.
I explained to her that I DO NOT RAISE GRANDKIDS!
I also explained I don't approve of abortions, PERIOD!
She has been married for almost 27 years now.
Dads can do a lot of good if you are an asshole.
:wacko:
Post by: robtmc on May 08, 2022, 07:13:58 AM
Hey! That might be that millennial chick that used to spam and troll here. She was fanatical about being able to get abortions......
(https://i.imgur.com/P6CAZ5pl.jpg)
Post by: hvybarrels on May 08, 2022, 03:45:11 PM
Post by: robtmc on May 08, 2022, 04:36:39 PM
This is a horrible procedure that can cause life long physical and psychological trauma but they think of it the same as getting a mole burned off or Botox injections.Yeah, eat too much chocolate, squeeze a few more zits, what is the big deal?
Post by: Rocky on May 11, 2022, 09:22:38 AM
She replied " It's the only way for them to get across the Rio Grande".
Post by: mrgaf on May 11, 2022, 04:52:30 PM
In an recent interview with CNN, AOC was asked what she thought about Roe V Wade.
She replied " It's the only way for them to get across the Rio Grande".
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 12, 2022, 09:04:05 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 12, 2022, 12:56:24 PM
Post by: Bota-CS1 on May 12, 2022, 02:54:33 PM
Ruling this Monday. If they overturn, expect violence. If they leave as is, expect minimal if any violence.
Just send in Rittenhouse - everything’ll be good.