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Tools and Uses => Firearms and Accessories => Topic started by: stangzilla on May 17, 2022, 08:05:53 AM
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been thinking about a subcompact or micro semiauto lately. I'm stuck on the Springfield Hellcat Pro. like the small size, ammo capacity, optics ready and able to cowitness with factory night sights, and external safety
but always good to have options, so if you own or think another pistol is better or is similar in options, please post your knowledge :shaka:
some others I consider are the Glock 43X, Sig 365 or 365XL, S&W shield +. or lmk others that I should consider
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf0_TdM3C6s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL3MV1736RY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYJJOkkWN0o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0hWM8cyoew
is there that much difference between the Hellcat Pro and the G19? seems kind of close in size. should I just stick with the G19?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ6MKHg1CMI
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I'm a novice when it comes to semi-auto pistols, and even less so when it comes to micro semi-auto pistols. I've been a revolver man for many, many years.
But if I may I'd like to say I'm very happy with my newest purchase, a regular SIG P365 that I bought last year in October. I have one with an external safety.
With the flush fit 10 rd mag it fits in my front pants pocket and you have to stare really hard to see the print of the gun. With an untucked shirt it is hardly noticeable.
Only "those" guys (and maybe some gals) that like to look at botos will notice. :rofl:
It shoots and handles great and I know it is accurate but it is limited in my hands because I suck.
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I would try what your interested in as well. For me, the P365 feels funny due to the downward angle. And so does the P320 (same downward angle).
Currently we have a M&P 9C which isn't the greatest, but we don't carry it anyways. I don't like the 9C due to the soft grips.
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Of course, I can't carry so everything is only in theory.
I want the smallest package which is flat with no protrusions or extras like RD or extended mags or lights.
I want something that fits in an inside-pocket holster with no bulges showing outside.
I want 10 shots in a slim package instead of 7 or 8. If I need more than 10 shots then I made a fatal mistake of not bringing my AR.
(The proverbial bringing a knife to a gunfight)
I don't need to shoot at 25 yards at Kokohead, only 5-7 yards.
I got a SIG 365 with the manual safety, so I can carry 1 in the chamber with the safety on.
The standard model doesn't have the manual safety.... but SIG says it can be carried safely with 1 in the chamber - spooky.
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I've had a compact sw 9mm for decades (3913).
It's so old, the radioactive sights are already dim.
It's still very reliable.
But I had a chance to play with a 365 and I'm impressed.
That's what I would get today. It feels better than my old SW.
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thanks for all you guys' input
I'll have to see what feels good in my hands
RDS not so important, but I like the option to have one. I want to be able to pocket carry as well as IWB or OWB. so maybe with the pocket carry, I don't want a RDS, but I like night sights. pocket carry I would prefer an external safety, just my preference
I want it to be small, but have 10 rounds of 9mm. I'd love to have 10 rounds of 45 but for a micro I don't think that's possible
It'll mostly be for home carry, and once in a great while mainland CCW
my pocket revolvers are ok, but having more capacity would be much better in a semiauto
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Out of the choices listed, I've only shot with the Shield 9 and 43. Between those 2, I like the weight and grip size of the Shield. The 43 was good as well. Have to be a little careful on the reloads with pinching my hand, but both shot and functioned well.
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It'll mostly be for home carry,
Can u elaborate more? When I'm at home, I have 500 sqft condo. So my handgun is always within arms reach. When I go to the kitchen or sit on the toilet, it's within that. So I take it from room to room with me. Easier to do in a small condo vs. a home, which is why I don't take my rifle with me from room to room. I also have extra mags in each room as well. So no need to carry mags on myself. So unless the below happens, I never carry my handgun in the home. We also don't have children or anyone else in the home besides me and Mrs. CMO, so leaving the gun on the table or counter in arms reach is fine. If I had children in the home, I would not do this.
The 4 times in 2 years that we did have guest over, I was CCWing my VP9 and instead of appendix like how I do in Vegas, I was at the 4 oclock. This is because sitting for long periods is much easier at the 4 oclock. So since we rarely have guest, doing this with a bigger handgun isn't an issue. Same thing with CCWing in Vegas, it's only for a week or so, so no big deal carrying the VP9 all day/night. If I could carry in HI, I would def get something smaller though.
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Can u elaborate more? When I'm at home, I have 500 sqft condo. So my handgun is always within arms reach. When I go to the kitchen or sit on the toilet, it's within that. So I take it from room to room with me. Easier to do in a small condo vs. a home, which is why I don't take my rifle with me from room to room. I also have extra mags in each room as well. So no need to carry mags on myself. So unless the below happens, I never carry my handgun in the home. We also don't have children or anyone else in the home besides me and Mrs. CMO, so leaving the gun on the table or counter in arms reach is fine. If I had children in the home, I would not do this.
The 4 times in 2 years that we did have guest over, I was CCWing my VP9 and instead of appendix like how I do in Vegas, I was at the 4 oclock. This is because sitting for long periods is much easier at the 4 oclock. So since we rarely have guest, doing this with a bigger handgun isn't an issue. Same thing with CCWing in Vegas, it's only for a week or so, so no big deal carrying the VP9 all day/night. If I could carry in HI, I would def get something smaller though.
in and around my home OWB. answer the doorbell I like to pocket carry. when bbq-ing I'll OWB.
there has been a couple instances in the past several years when there was sketchy people right outside my front door. one homeless guy obviously high rummaging through my neighbors trash. i was watching him and he just started smoking crack right outside my front door and that crossed the line, I had to approach him and tell him to move along with a few four letter words attached to my speech. another time there was 2 big local dudes in a minitruck shining their headlights into my window at 11:00 pm and then had a flashlight shining through the window, ringing the doorbell. said they were here to repo a nissan 350z. obviously I dont have a nissan 350z and they had the wrong address that they were inquiring about. I should have just ignored them and called 911, but i answered the doorbell instead with my LCR in my back pocket and hand on the grip behind my back. If you are a repo man, you aren't going to ask permission to repo a car that you don't see. after seeing me with my hand behind my back, the guy said sorry wrong house, and proceeded to approach a house 2 doors down. then i called 911. seemed like a couple of thugs scoping out the neighborhood for easy prey, or maybe i'm just paranoid. but anyways, just going through many scenarios in my head I come to the conclusion that my 5 shot LCR just wont cut it on capacity, maybe good for a back up gun or a dresser drawer gun. but for primary, I'd like a small semiauto with 10 shots. now my primary is a full size XDM in 45acp, but its pretty large, can't fit in my pocket. something like the Hellcat or that size should work better
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in and around my home OWB. answer the doorbell I like to pocket carry. when bbq-ing I'll OWB.
there has been a couple instances in the past several years when there was sketchy people right outside my front door. one homeless guy obviously high rummaging through my neighbors trash. i was watching him and he just started smoking crack right outside my front door and that crossed the line, I had to approach him and tell him to move along with a few four letter words attached to my speech. another time there was 2 big local dudes in a minitruck shining their headlights into my window at 11:00 pm and then had a flashlight shining through the window, ringing the doorbell. said they were here to repo a nissan 350z. obviously I dont have a nissan 350z and they had the wrong address that they were inquiring about. I should have just ignored them and called 911, but i answered the doorbell instead with my LCR in my back pocket and hand on the grip behind my back. If you are a repo man, you aren't going to ask permission to repo a car that you don't see. after seeing me with my hand behind my back, the guy said sorry wrong house, and proceeded to approach a house 2 doors down. then i called 911. seemed like a couple of thugs scoping out the neighborhood for easy prey, or maybe i'm just paranoid. but anyways, just going through many scenarios in my head I come to the conclusion that my 5 shot LCR just wont cut it on capacity, maybe good for a back up gun or a dresser drawer gun. but for primary, I'd like a small semiauto with 10 shots. now my primary is a full size XDM in 45acp, but its pretty large, can't fit in my pocket. something like the Hellcat or that size should work better
Weight on the hip is a factor if you gonna be OWB all day.
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Can u elaborate more? When I'm at home, I have 500 sqft condo. So my handgun is always within arms reach. When I go to the kitchen or sit on the toilet, it's within that. So I take it from room to room with me. Easier to do in a small condo vs. a home, which is why I don't take my rifle with me from room to room. I also have extra mags in each room as well. So no need to carry mags on myself. So unless the below happens, I never carry my handgun in the home. We also don't have children or anyone else in the home besides me and Mrs. CMO, so leaving the gun on the table or counter in arms reach is fine. If I had children in the home, I would not do this.
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Ever see Pulp Fiction? I bet Vincent Vega (John Travolta) wished he'd not left his gun on the kitchen counter when he went to the bathroom.
Even carrying off-body in a backpack or hand-carried organizer is not as efficient as a holster. You can be separated from your firearm too easily.
Then there's the "what if" scenario where someone enters your place undetected and just happens to see your firearm. If they get to it before you can, then your plan backfires.
The potential outcomes of being just "arm's length" from your gun can go on and on. To me, it comes down to your comfort level. If you're more comfortable from a self defense perspective carrying, then do it. If you are just as comfortable leaving it in a drawer or next to you on the sink, then that's okay, too.
When I carry, it's for the situations I can't predict.
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I would try what your interested in as well. For me, the P365 feels funny due to the downward angle. And so does the P320 (same downward angle).
What downward angle is this?
I never cared for the Glock grip angle after decades of 1911 handling. But, that angled the barrel up for me.
Have a Glock 30 now because I like the.45, but other than here in AZ, not carrying the little guy. Too big for a pocket, picking up a Galco IWB to see if I can get used to that.
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I think 43x is a bit too big for pocket carry unless your wearing 5.11 taclites (or similar) with those huge back pockets.
I only have experience with a g48 (I own) and 43x (my friend owns) at kokohead. I love a g26 too. Owned this one for years.
My coworker just bought a hellcat pro and loves the way it feels. He was in the same boat as you (365 xl, hellcat pro, g43) he goes vegas alot. After shooting my g48 and holding his hellcat pro I like both. Felt pretty damn good. Have you had a chance to hold a hellcat pro? Never got to shoot the hellcat but dry fire. I use to hate glocks... Cause it broke on us during my pistol class so I didnt trust it.
Anywho I like the 43x and 48. Everything same except a slightly longer barrel/slide on the 48.
Theres the shield plus if you dont want all the bells and whistles. Also the g26 but idk how well that'll go with pocket carry.
Palmetto state armory had a 365 XL spectre with gold barrel on sale. Might still be on sale.
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don't be racist- micronesian semiauto...
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I think 43x is a bit too big for pocket carry unless your wearing 5.11 taclites (or similar) with those huge back pockets.
I only have experience with a g48 (I own) and 43x (my friend owns) at kokohead. I love a g26 too. Owned this one for years.
My coworker just bought a hellcat pro and loves the way it feels. He was in the same boat as you (365 xl, hellcat pro, g43) he goes vegas alot. After shooting my g48 and holding his hellcat pro I like both. Felt pretty damn good. Have you had a chance to hold a hellcat pro? Never got to shoot the hellcat but dry fire. I use to hate glocks... Cause it broke on us during my pistol class so I didnt trust it.
Anywho I like the 43x and 48. Everything same except a slightly longer barrel/slide on the 48.
Theres the shield plus if you dont want all the bells and whistles. Also the g26 but idk how well that'll go with pocket carry.
Palmetto state armory had a 365 XL spectre with gold barrel on sale. Might still be on sale.
never held a Hellcat Pro, nor a 365xl or 365. I'll have to see what I can get my hands on in the next week. I go back to HPD to pick up the PTA next week. I'll try to coordinate things by then if I can. if not, I'll wait until later. don't want to rush things.
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I've had a compact sw 9mm for decades (3913).
It's so old, the radioactive sights are already dim.
It's still very reliable.
But I had a chance to play with a 365 and I'm impressed.
That's what I would get today. It feels better than my old SW.
Back in the old days before all the tiny 9mms, I really wanted the SW 3913 because it
was a chopped-up SW M39, wasn't it a semi-custom pistol?
I got one of the first mini 9mms - Walther PPS, but that pistol was a terror and just hurt my hands........
The SIG 365 is flat, tiny, and feels good in the hand. After shooting tuned 1911s, the trigger seems mushy,
but I guess that can't be helped since it's striker-fired and DAO.............
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never held a Hellcat Pro, nor a 365xl or 365. I'll have to see what I can get my hands on in the next week. I go back to HPD to pick up the PTA next week. I'll try to coordinate things by then if I can. if not, I'll wait until later. don't want to rush things.
Ah I see. I almost got a regular 365xl. Ended up getting a sw mp 2.0 performance center. The shop I was at had it at the same price. The 365xl felt good too I must say. One of my other coworkers absolutely loves his gf's 365xl with romeo red dot. In fact he traded his dan wesson for the 365xl. I still think she made out (re selling pov)
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New Shield 9mm 9rnd magazines for the Glock 43.
https://shieldarms.com/z9
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don't be racist- micronesian semiauto...
I'll look for one with a gold barrel :D
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLTOIwSqcQ4
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What downward angle is this?
I never cared for the Glock grip angle after decades of 1911 handling. But, that angled the barrel up for me.
Have a Glock 30 now because I like the.45, but other than here in AZ, not carrying the little guy. Too big for a pocket, picking up a Galco IWB to see if I can get used to that.
Are you questioning the Mr. 1911? ;D
Joking. . .
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For me, when I tried the 365, the angle of the slide felt like it was pointing more downward than compared to my vp9, p10C or M&P 9C. I also get the same feeling when I shoot P320s (all sizes/models, except Wilson frame). The 1911 feels like my other guns.
I've also tried various Glocks and no downward angle feeling. Maybe it's the way my body structure is.
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if i want small I should go with the regular Hellcat or the RDP model
the pro model doesn't come with the external safety that I want
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaqb18RClAw
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It came down to these two. Very similar but some differences. Either one will do the job, but I chose the Sig P365 with manual safety bc the grip felt better to me a little smaller than the Hellcat but the Sig fits my mediumish hands better. Trigger felt smoother on the Sig, although the Hellcat trigger felt crisper break, just my preference. I like the 3 dot tritium sights on the Sig vs the U shaped rear sight on the Hellcat which is non tritium, but the Hellcat front sight is brighter. Sig isnt optic ready but I'm not going to run a RDS on it, want to keep it small so can pocket carry. Hard decision but for me, I like the Sig slightly better
https://youtu.be/4UDg-31SwpM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n29qgsP9B-E&t=919s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9hgxpQsnSQ
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Seems like Sig P365 is in the lead. . . ;D
It's only been a week, so you still have a while before you reach CMO status. . . :rofl:
I guess I'll have to try shooting the P365. I've long wanted to P320, but kept talking myself out of it, mostly due to cost of the support equipment. That and I haven't been shooting pistols that much in the past couple of years. And when I do shoot pistols, I try to work with the "tried and true".
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Seems like Sig P365 is in the lead. . . ;D
It's only been a week, so you still have a while before you reach CMO status. . . :rofl:
I guess I'll have to try shooting the P365. I've long wanted to P320, but kept talking myself out of it, mostly due to cost of the support equipment. That and I haven't been shooting pistols that much in the past couple of years. And when I do shoot pistols, I try to work with the "tried and true".
already bought the P365. with night sights and external/manual safety. its the Tac Pack package with 3 extended 10 round mags and a holster, but I hear the holster isn't that great
but I can keep posting about it for another few weeks or so :shaka:
came down to the Hellcat and the P365 bc I wanted a small size pistol. the Sig just felt better in my hands. I would have been happy with either one. we shall see how it shoots and how the ergonomics are.
who knows, I might wind up getting both. wouldn't surprise me.
why fight temptation when you can give in to it >:D
also got a couple extra mags, safariland ALS holster, and DeSantis pocket holster for it. mags were not cheap either, about same price as the HK ones....expensive.
gotta pay to play is what they say :rofl:
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already bought the P365. with night sights and external/manual safety. its the Tac Pack package with 3 extended 10 round mags and a holster, but I hear the holster isn't that great
but I can keep posting about it for another few weeks or so :shaka:
came down to the Hellcat and the P365 bc I wanted a small size pistol. the Sig just felt better in my hands. I would have been happy with either one. we shall see how it shoots and how the ergonomics are.
who knows, I might wind up getting both. wouldn't surprise me.
why fight temptation when you can give in to it >:D
also got a couple extra mags, safariland ALS holster, and DeSantis pocket holster for it. mags were not cheap either, about same price as the HK ones....expensive.
gotta pay to play is what they say :rofl:
Awesome! :geekdanc:
And yes, just DO IT! When trying to decide between to solid options, I tend toward get both and try. ;D
Yeah, the support equipment and ammo gets ya. The cost for mags, holsters, replacement sites, etc. Add to that some guns, I have belts, holsters, mag pouched for both competition and training. More fun! O0
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Stang,
Good choice on the SIG P365.
This was my choice also. :shaka:
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Awesome! :geekdanc:
And yes, just DO IT! When trying to decide between to solid options, I tend toward get both and try. ;D
Yeah, the support equipment and ammo gets ya. The cost for mags, holsters, replacement sites, etc. Add to that some guns, I have belts, holsters, mag pouched for both competition and training. More fun! O0
and it's not too expensive like getting 2 Nighthawk Customs, or Wilson Combat, or even a higher end Springfield 1911.
I went in the LGS looking to get their Vickers Tactical 1911 but since it was sold already, I had enough $$$ to get the H&K45 and the SigP365. I'm very happy with my option B. actually I'm pretty excited about my option B bc they are 2 firearms different than what I already have. good to try something different now and then.
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I've had a compact sw 9mm for decades (3913).
It's so old, the radioactive sights are already dim.
It's still very reliable.
But I had a chance to play with a 365 and I'm impressed.
That's what I would get today. It feels better than my old SW.
Anytime you ready to get rid of it, I'd like to take a look and buy.
I've wanted a 3913 from the 1980s or 90s............. always saw them in gun magazines,
but never a real one.
That was the dream CCW pistol long ago. Still does a good job.
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Awesome! :geekdanc:
And yes, just DO IT! When trying to decide between to solid options, I tend toward get both and try. ;D
Yeah, the support equipment and ammo gets ya. The cost for mags, holsters, replacement sites, etc. Add to that some guns, I have belts, holsters, mag pouched for both competition and training. More fun! O0
I guess my will power is weak. I gave in to temptation and also bought the Hellcat OSP and threw in the Hex Wasp RDS.
not sure how I'll like the Wasp RDS. can't turn it off without removing the battery. it stays on all the time, but it has 62,000 hours battery life in the lowest brightness level. and brightness is auto-dimming depending on ambient lighting. so we'll see how I like it
We'll see how they match up: P365 vs Hellcat OSP :geekdanc:
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Anytime you ready to get rid of it, I'd like to take a look and buy.
I've wanted a 3913 from the 1980s or 90s............. always saw them in gun magazines,
but never a real one.
That was the dream CCW pistol long ago. Still does a good job.
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It's a great little gun for sure. It's extremely reliable and the trigger is heavy, as a serious house gun should be.
The sights are genuine Novak tritium sights.
My gun buddy in CA has one and he sent his to Novak for sights and an action job.
He said I should send mine to Novak to do the same. Apparently, they do a superb action job.
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I guess my will power is weak. I gave in to temptation and also bought the Hellcat OSP and threw in the Hex Wasp RDS.
not sure how I'll like the Wasp RDS. can't turn it off without removing the battery. it says on all the time, but it has 62,000 hours battery life in the lowest brightness level. and brightness is auto-dimming depending on ambient lighting. so we'll see how I like it
We'll see how they match up: P365 vs Hellcat OSP :geekdanc:
Not weak! Expanding and diversifying capabilities!
I love to do side-by-side comparisons. Best way to answer the question of "which gun is best". :thumbsup: O0
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Stang,
Wilson Combat just came out with a new grip module.
I ordered one today.
Sounds like it improves grip.
Grip module is only for the model with the manual, external safety.
https://shopwilsoncombat.com/GRIP-MODULE-WCP365-MANUAL-SAFETY-BLACK/productinfo/365-MB/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&utm_campaign=New%20Products%2006-14-22
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Stang,
Wilson Combat just came out with a new grip module.
I ordered one today.
Sounds like it improves grip.
Grip module is only for the model with the manual, external safety.
https://shopwilsoncombat.com/GRIP-MODULE-WCP365-MANUAL-SAFETY-BLACK/productinfo/365-MB/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&utm_campaign=New%20Products%2006-14-22
nice!
lmk how you like it. I might have to get one
thanks for the info! :shaka:
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nice!
lmk how you like it. I might have to get one
thanks for the info! :shaka:
Yeah, I'm forced to go to the pistol range side when this grip module arrives..........
I've been shooting 22LR BR rifles for the longest time and find it hard to get motivated to shoot pistol.
This grip will make me want to try it at Kokohead, although 25 yards is not ideal for this sort of pistol.
Might have to go to the gun range on Queen St. in Kakaako to try it at 5-7 yards...................
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Stang,
My WC grip module for the SIG P365 arrived today.
Looks like WC put a lot of thought into improving the standard P365 grip, very well made.
Will install it tonight.
(https://i.imgur.com/e1fmgMj.jpg)
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Shadow Systems CR920 is peaking my interest. They are super good as a company. The older design "butt barrels" might have a reliability issue. No major, but some guns using X ammo have it. The problem didnt show up in their testing.
So they will send u a new barrel (no butt) with return postage. They dont want u to send in the barrel or gun 1st cause they dont want u to be without a gun. So its an honor system return that u will sens back the butt barrel.
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The WC grip is ergonomically better than the SIG grip.
However, the WC grip is substantially wider.
For sure, the WC grip feels better and will be more hand-fitted and comfortable when shooting.
However, the SIG grip is narrower and better for CCW.
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Shadow Systems CR920 is peaking my interest. They are super good as a company. The older design "butt barrels" might have a reliability issue. No major, but some guns using X ammo have it. The problem didnt show up in their testing.
So they will send u a new barrel (no butt) with return postage. They dont want u to send in the barrel or gun 1st cause they dont want u to be without a gun. So its an honor system return that u will sens back the butt barrel.
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Got the new version, no butt barrel...wish they made an optional 10 rd mag like the 13 rounder...or better yet, wish we could use the 13 rounder
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Got the new version, no butt barrel...wish they made an optional 10 rd mag like the 13 rounder...or better yet, wish we could use the 13 rounder
How do u like it? Like u would buy again or get something else
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I just got it on Thursday but didn't get to fire it yet. Hope it's as good as my xr920 and mr920L...although reports have been opposite with the butt barrel..we see how the updated one works out...hopefully get to it on 4th of July. Loving the xr tho...with the mr920L and the xr, the slides are interchangeable making them into a dr920 and a mr920...very versatile like having 4 different configurations...hoping the cr won't disappoint
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How do u like it? Like u would buy again or get something else
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Shot the cr920, P365XL spectre and p365 today to compare....
CR felt nice in the hand, trigger pull felt nice while dry firing but I didn't like the feel of the trigger shoe itself. For me it was uncomfortable on my trigger finger but didn't bother my friend who also tried it. Little snappy and not like shadow claims it shooting like a compact...real close recoil felt almost like the p365. Extended mag helped alot...definitely not as soft as a compact though. Did about 150 rds of the 200 rd break in required with no malfunctions other than 1 stove pipe. I still prefer the P365XL out of all 3.
Size wise is right in between both sigs.
Grip length is very close to a standard p365 with the flush mags. Slide length a tad longer but compared to the xl, alot smaller and just as thin...wish SS will come out with pinky finger extensions for the flush mag or even 10 rd extended mags like the 13rd ones.
Going from the CR directly to the MR920....man the MR is so sweet to shoot.
As for my go to carry gun? I'd go with a p365X with longer grip and short slide. Sig trigger is mushy during dry fire but not noticeable during live fire.
During the session, I realized how bad my eyes were shooting with irons...got spoiled by red dots on my compacts. Will definitely add a red dot on the CR920 for back up carry gun.
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I'll post some pics of the size comparison between the three when I get ahold of my buddy's standard p365 over the weekend. Can't go wrong with any of these for CCW.
Here's a comparison of the p365XL spectre and the CR920 for now.
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Thanks for the update.
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Of course, I can't carry so everything is only in theory.
I want the smallest package which is flat with no protrusions or extras like RD or extended mags or lights.
I want something that fits in an inside-pocket holster with no bulges showing outside.
I want 10 shots in a slim package instead of 7 or 8. If I need more than 10 shots then I made a fatal mistake of not bringing my AR.
(The proverbial bringing a knife to a gunfight)
I don't need to shoot at 25 yards at Kokohead, only 5-7 yards.
I got a SIG 365 with the manual safety, so I can carry 1 in the chamber with the safety on.
The standard model doesn't have the manual safety.... but SIG says it can be carried safely with 1 in the chamber - spooky.
Having said the above, I got this pistol mag protector to carry 1 extra mag with 10 rounds, then I have 20 rounds to bring to the gunfight......... :shake:
(https://i.imgur.com/Yi0IsOD.jpg)