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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: s15project on June 15, 2022, 07:52:28 AM
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I applied for a pistol permit and signed up for email delivery and yesterday was the day it was supposed to be sent. I received a similar confirmation email that I got when I applied for a long gun permit earlier and got my the long gun email about mid-day on the first day of pickup without issues.
Can I go in and pick up the pistol permit or do I have to wait for the email or can I call to find out the status? I saw the other thread that HPD said there may be delays in sending the email but that was also reported to be clarified with HPD that permits would be emailed on the 14th day without delay.
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FWIW I was at HPD on Monday and overheard one of the officers telling a guy that they're swamped with applications and the email PTAs might be delayed a day or so.
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that's F'd up
14 days is 14 days
they told me 1 time, if I wanted my permit on the 14th day, better I pick up in person. bc they cannot guarantee it in 14 days
but it was confirmed that they are supposed to email it on the 14th day
wtf they waiting for?
we waiting 14 days already. they can't write up a permit in 14 days? that's pretty slow
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Call them and find out and post here what they say.
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Just received my permit email at 9:22 am. Guess there are delays for whatever reason. If I have a chance later this afternoon I will try and call to see if they know why it was delayed till today.
Side note to myself. Don't juggle work, a house move, and a permit to aquire all during the same week again. :wacko:
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Just received my permit email at 9:22 am. Guess there are delays for whatever reason. If I have a chance later this afternoon I will try and call to see if they know why it was delayed till today.
Side note to myself. Don't juggle work, a house move, and a permit to aquire all during the same week again. :wacko:
they will probably say something like they are really busy
but 14 days is still 14 days.
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they will probably say something like they are really busy
but 14 days is still 14 days.
That's right :thumbsup: Where I come from and was taught is: You meet the directive.
My opinion? They don't care and are just taking their time. Busy my ass.
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that's F'd up
14 days is 14 days
they told me 1 time, if I wanted my permit on the 14th day, better I pick up in person. bc they cannot guarantee it in 14 days
but it was confirmed that they are supposed to email it on the 14th day
wtf they waiting for?
we waiting 14 days already. they can't write up a permit in 14 days? that's pretty slow
I was told the same thing so I’ll just go down and pick up in person. I heard that the office was short people last week due to a Covid outbreak?
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I was told the same thing so I’ll just go down and pick up in person. I heard that the office was short people last week due to a Covid outbreak?
There seems to be a rise in cases from what I hear. My daughter, her "husband", his 2 cousins, his brother, and others all caught it over the last 3 weeks.
Even so, they should at least notify people who are waiting for permits there's an unforeseen problem and could cause a delay. We had to schedule our lives around picking up the permits when they were completed for pickup. Email makes it more convenient -- one less HPD trip. But still, we make plans with the sellers that are based on the permit arriving as REQUIRED BY LAW.
This is a government agency. I expect incompetence. But that doesn't excuse them from following the law.
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Yeah, try show up one late for court because you was really busy the day before. They make rules for you, but it doesn't apply to them.
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they will probably say something like they are really busy
but 14 days is still 14 days.
and, you see how fast they move at the firearms division?
if they move any slower, they'd be going backwards
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Went down to register in person since the online thing didn't go well already with the permit. Only 1 guy working at the registration counter at 2:30 pm. He had to go get more out of state registration forms for the guy behind me since the bins were empty. One person in front of me and 3 people were behind me within 5 minutes of getting to the window. The counter guy said there were a lot of people out sick but didn't specify if it was due to covid and that there were a lot of permit applications the past two weeks. Didn't say if either permit volume or lack of staff caused the delay in emailing my permit.
In the end got it all done but it was not a smooth easy process. The new process while easier is still not as convenient or expedient as I think it should be. Thanks to all the people that have and continue to work to make it a better process. I didn't specifically move into Karl Rhoads district just to voice my opinions to him as a constituent or vote against him but since I'm now in his district he will be hearing from me again.
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https://youtu.be/ONFj7AYgbko
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Went down to register in person since the online thing didn't go well already with the permit. Only 1 guy working at the registration counter at 2:30 pm. He had to go get more out of state registration forms for the guy behind me since the bins were empty. One person in front of me and 3 people were behind me within 5 minutes of getting to the window. The counter guy said there were a lot of people out sick but didn't specify if it was due to covid and that there were a lot of permit applications the past two weeks. Didn't say if either permit volume or lack of staff caused the delay in emailing my permit.
In the end got it all done but it was not a smooth easy process. The new process while easier is still not as convenient or expedient as I think it should be. Thanks to all the people that have and continue to work to make it a better process. I didn't specifically move into Karl Rhoads district just to voice my opinions to him as a constituent or vote against him but since I'm now in his district he will be hearing from me again.
At any moment, did he say online reg is an option? Like do from your phone while waiting and see who finishes 1st.
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At any moment, did he say online reg is an option? Like do from your phone while waiting and see who finishes 1st.
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The store mentioned the option of online registration. HPD didn't bring up that online registration was an available option.
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https://www.honolulupd.org/firearms-online-registration/
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and, you see how fast they move at the firearms division?
if they move any slower, they'd be going backwards
There's that, and partially general common sense or courtesy. One being have your forms completed when stepping up to the window. If you don't, step aside while you fill out your paperwork and let folks with completed forms get helped.
It would be really helpful if the officer at the window facilitated that, but should be common sense. I went to renew my rifle permit yesterday and there were a mother and daughter filling out all of the forms for pistol permit, which is probably the most forms, at the window. Officer was just talking story, while there were at least 3 folks in line.
You're also made to fill out the "main" form at the station. The form with the serial number. That form can take some time to fill out, especially if someone has to fill out multiple for multiple firearms. So by not having that form such that you have to fill it out at the station takes time. Then there's the form to receive your permit by email. I opted to no go with that option, but they make you sign a form that you declined the option. The ladies in front of me took that option and that form took a while. Of course, trying to figure out their password, how to take a picture of the information, etc. ::)
Anyways, long story wrapped up in that there are many ways to streamline the process IF HPD wanted to. I think some officers at the window do help facilitate, but the ones yesterday surely did not.
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I submitted an online registration on the 1st of June and am still waiting. I emailed them to follow up and they told me they were backed up.
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I submitted an online registration on the 1st of June and am still waiting. I emailed them to follow up and they told me they were backed up.
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Well that’s not good news. I just registered a firearm this past Tuesday. Guess I have to wait long too? I wonder if I can just pick it up at the station. Maybe they can pull it up from the computer and print it?
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Well that’s not good news. I just registered a firearm this past Tuesday. Guess I have to wait long too? I wonder if I can just pick it up at the station. Maybe they can pull it up from the computer and print it?
They'll prob make you write it. Lol
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They'll prob make you write it. Lol
Yea no sh*t! 😂
If I don’t get it by tomorrow, then I’ll go to the station next week to try and get it.
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I submitted an online registration on the 1st of June and am still waiting. I emailed them to follow up and they told me they were backed up.
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Ours took 6 weeks. Since we registered it, not my problem they are behind. We weren't worried.
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Well that’s not good news. I just registered a firearm this past Tuesday. Guess I have to wait long too? I wonder if I can just pick it up at the station. Maybe they can pull it up from the computer and print it?
You aren't required by law to keep a copy of the registration.
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You aren't required by law to keep a copy of the registration.
Is that your recommendation?
As messed up as HPD has reportedly been, it makes sense to get a copy -- just in case.
The registration form also makes transfers easier for the in-state buyer should you sell your gun.
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Is that your recommendation?
As messed up as HPD has reportedly been, it makes sense to get a copy -- just in case.
The registration form also makes transfers easier for the in-state buyer should you sell your gun.
No. It's what the law doesn't require.
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No. It's what the law doesn't require.
Hopefully the list of things not mandated by statute is much longer than things that are mandated.
i.e. The law doesn't require that you follow basic gun safety rules.
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I’m still gonna go down in person anyways to try get the registration papers. I’m needing it sooner for reasons.
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The firearms unit is operating at ~half capacity due to officers out on sick leave or otherwise. There has also been a huge (COVID level) influx in permits to acquire (90-100+ per day, ~45 before all this anti-gun legislation talk in the news). The combination of the two is incredibly stressful.
Please have some consideration for the officers working the windows; they too are tired of the long lines and the lack of resources the unit is allocated. It’s not as easy as training a new hire/other officers; due to Hawaii laws, there’s a lot of intricacies with the processes, and training for the various positions at firearms takes multiple weeks. There is also a lot of liability associated with the unit; one wrong statement or action could cause a major lawsuit for the department/state.
The firearms unit has streamlined it the best they can with the current gun laws in Hawaii; quicker processes means easier/less work for the unit. Want an easier/quicker process? Lobby to change the laws in our state.
Mahalo for understanding.
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The firearms unit is operating at ~half capacity due to officers out on sick leave or otherwise. There has also been a huge (COVID level) influx in permits to acquire (90-100+ per day, ~45 before all this anti-gun legislation talk in the news). The combination of the two is incredibly stressful.
Please have some consideration for the officers working the windows; they too are tired of the long lines and the lack of resources the unit is allocated. It’s not as easy as training a new hire/other officers; due to Hawaii laws, there’s a lot of intricacies with the processes, and training for the various positions at firearms takes multiple weeks. There is also a lot of liability associated with the unit; one wrong statement or action could cause a major lawsuit for the department/state.
The firearms unit has streamlined it the best they can with the current gun laws in Hawaii; quicker processes means easier/less work for the unit. Want an easier/quicker process? Lobby to change the laws in our state.
Mahalo for understanding.
No debate that the department can be overworked and understaffed.
But, when the state can't manage the bureaucracy it's created to restrict a Constitutional right, maybe they don't deserve sympathy or consideration. After all, they have to follow the SAME LAWS we do. If that means they issue permits on the 14th day having an incomplete background check, then that's what they have to do. The NICS system is a 3-day adjudication process. If they take longer, the request is automatically approved. The consequences of being unable to meet their deadline lies with the FBI, not the individual buyer.
Not many are bashing the individual officers on here -- except for a few observations. The problem is the law and the HPD policies and procedures. You and I lobbying to change them will do nothing. Until HPD throws up its hands and says, "This is more than we can handle," we'll continue to see more and more restrictions passed with no increase in resources.
We're paying for background checks at both the Federal and State level with our taxes and fees. With so much overlap, I'm sure they can find ways to streamline without reducing "safety."
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No debate that the department can be overworked and understaffed.
But, when the state can't manage the bureaucracy it's created to restrict a Constitutional right, maybe they don't deserve sympathy or consideration. After all, they have to follow the SAME LAWS we do. If that means they issue permits on the 14th day having an incomplete background check, then that's what they have to do. The NICS system is a 3-day adjudication process. If they take longer, the request is automatically approved. The consequences of being unable to meet their deadline lies with the FBI, not the individual buyer.
Not many are bashing the individual officers on here -- except for a few observations. The problem is the law and the HPD policies and procedures. You and I lobbying to change them will do nothing. Until HPD throws up its hands and says, "This is more than we can handle," we'll continue to see more and more restrictions passed with no increase in resources.
We're paying for background checks at both the Federal and State level with our taxes and fees. With so much overlap, I'm sure they can find ways to streamline without reducing "safety."
HPD will never throw up it’s hands and admit defeat; it’s the unfortunate truth. Change comes from the top down; HPD will unfortunately only listen to lawmakers, not the individual gun owners and 2A practitioners. Spinning wheel of death/bureaucracy.
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The firearms unit is operating at ~half capacity due to officers out on sick leave or otherwise. There has also been a huge (COVID level) influx in permits to acquire (90-100+ per day, ~45 before all this anti-gun legislation talk in the news). The combination of the two is incredibly stressful.
Please have some consideration for the officers working the windows; they too are tired of the long lines and the lack of resources the unit is allocated. It’s not as easy as training a new hire/other officers; due to Hawaii laws, there’s a lot of intricacies with the processes, and training for the various positions at firearms takes multiple weeks. There is also a lot of liability associated with the unit; one wrong statement or action could cause a major lawsuit for the department/state.
The firearms unit has streamlined it the best they can with the current gun laws in Hawaii; quicker processes means easier/less work for the unit. Want an easier/quicker process? Lobby to change the laws in our state.
Mahalo for understanding.
Understanding. Things are tough all around. I’ve had a couple of close friends who worked Firearms in the long line days of 2016-2018ish.
However, what does understaffing have to do with a simple common sense approach of having your forms filled out prior to coming to the window? DMV and other C&C services require that. There are many officers that do help facilitate, but many more seem to be willing to take a “ainokea” approach. Maybe it would help to have some accountability. Not bashing. Stating my observations and opinions.
Lobby for change? Most of us here do. Did you catch what Ige did recently?
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I'm reminded of the discussion VP Biden had during the Sandy Hook gun control task force hearings. One glaring topic was how overwhelmed and under-resourced state and federal agencies are when investigating and prosecuting firearm crimes. The government was admitting they don't enforce the laws already on the books. So, they asked the obvious question: is passing more gun laws we can't enforce the solution?
That's basically where they left the debate. No solutions offered, because the obvious answer would be to repeal existing laws that do nothing to stop violence. The majority of the laws are administrative. If you don't file a form, get reported for seeking behavioral health services regardless of the reason, or request someone else manage your social security income and expenses, you get your guns taken. These are not the people we should be worrying about, but they happen to be the low-hanging fruit based on someone's "logic."
They need to stop making laws that punish everyone who didn't commit a crime whenever a lunatic opens fire in a school or theater. That would be a great start.
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got my registration by email last week friday. it took 8 days from when I did the online registration to when I received it
I've been going in person to pick up PTA bc I don't trust that I'll get it by email in a timely manner. and registering online bc I'm not really in a rush to get the registration.
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Well whatta you know! I got my registration paper this morning. Exactly 5 business days from when they said it’ll take in confirmation process email. No need go down there today. :shaka:
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They need to streamline the process for current gun owners. WTF is with the cooling period if I already own several guns?! That's just BS!!
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They need to streamline the process for current gun owners. WTF is with the cooling period if I already own several guns?! That's just BS!!
They like to say it's for "cooling off." That's just how it was sold to the public decades ago. In reality, it's an administrative delay to give whoever approves the transfer time to dig into your background. Sometimes it takes much longer than the 3 days NICS is allowed to fully research someone.
HI gets 2 weeks due to state law. Now the Feds are pushing for the same 2 weeks, because government is incompetent. If we gave them a month, all background checks would take at least that long -- whether it does or not.
There are cases of people applying for a permit being murdered while waiting for approval. Of course, that's the fault of the applicant for following the law. :crazy:
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on the 18th day waiting for my reg to be emailed
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on the 18th day waiting for my reg to be emailed
Reg will be ruled unconstitutional later. No worries.
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WTF is with the cooling period if I already own several guns?! That's just BS!!
Common sense and logic are not compatible with the liberal mental disorder.