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Tools and Uses => Reloading => Topic started by: Rhed on June 24, 2022, 05:02:58 PM
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Has anyone has had any experience with these weights? Doing a new load development for a Bartlein 26” .308 1-10 twist. I have both of these weights in 500/box each. One of those panic buys I did lol. Anyways, I know there’s a ton of info on this two on the web, wondering if anyone shot them. And I can’t find any small rifle prime .308 brass. I guess ideally for pushing the Palmas at high mv?
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reloaded and shot both but not at 1000 yds
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Has anyone has had any experience with these weights? Doing a new load development for a Bartlein 26” .308 1-10 twist. I have both of these weights in 500/box each. One of those panic buys I did lol. Anyways, I know there’s a ton of info on this two on the web, wondering if anyone shot them. And I can’t find any small rifle prime .308 brass. I guess ideally for pushing the Palmas at high mv?
I have shot the 175 gr SMK with my previous Rem 300 .308 (20" and 1-10 twist) out to around 1000-1100. I still have a bunch 175 gr and 168 gr SMK. However, I am currently in process load development with new rifles with Bartlein 26" M24 .308 1-10 twist and 168 gr Berger Hybrids. I also have a couple of different Berger 175 gr bullets, which are very similar to the 175 gr SMK (dimensions, BCs, etc).
I gave away my Rem 700 .308, but I still have the load data for it. For both rifles, I've been using Lapua LRP brass. Mostly because I have LRPs, and SRPs are near impossible to find. If you want to try some Lapua LRP brass, I have 200 that I had set aside for my Rem 700, but no longer need it. So it's currently a backup stash.
I'm about 120 rounds with the new .308. With powder test coming next. I also have load development starting for my 6.5 creedmoor as well, for the same purpose of shooting steel in the 600-1000 ish range. I'm probably going to be focusing more on the 6.5 creedmoor, but .308 won't be far behind.
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Thanks.. I’m thinking I’m gonna go with the 175. On the ballistic calc, the 155 Palma’s has roughly 4 feet less drop then the 175 smk out to a grand. But the thing is, I would have to push the 155’s to at least 2900 vs 2700 on the 175. That’s 6.5 creed territory, and thats 6.5 creed barrel life. Though, 155 would be better on recoil I guess. Since I have to zero my rifle first and fire form the first batch of 50. I’m thinking I’m just gonna do 25 each of SAMMI rounds first. To try recoil and get a ball part on speed before actual load data. Once I get a good load, then I’ll input it to the Kestrel. So it begins…
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Where are you getting your velocity targets from? By amount of projected drop? Or other considerations, like transonic flight? Just curious.
For my 26” Bartlein M24 barrels, I’m pretty sure I’m past the speed up phase.
With Varget, I was getting around 2650/2650 fps with about 0.6 gr buffer to book max load.
RL15 was getting around 2600 fps with 0.3 gr buffer to max load.
8209 was getting around 2740 fps with 0.4 gr buffer to max load.
I was surprised but the RL15 velocities being quite low based on the book numbers. It is what it is. Just something I noticed.
For my old Rem 700 .308 and 175 gr SMK, I was shooting at 42.0 gr and around 2500 fps and getting decent results at 1000. Had room to push it faster, but never got around to it.
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I use this one..
https://shooterscalculator.com/ballistic-trajectory-chart.php
I think a member here recommended this one too a while back. Think was @ren
https://www.jbmballistics.com/ballistics/calculators/calculators.shtml
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Where are you getting your velocity targets from? By amount of projected drop? Or other considerations, like transonic flight? Just curious.
For my 26” Bartlein M24 barrels, I’m pretty sure I’m past the speed up phase.
With Varget, I was getting around 2650/2650 fps with about 0.6 gr buffer to book max load.
RL15 was getting around 2600 fps with 0.3 gr buffer to max load.
8209 was getting around 2740 fps with 0.4 gr buffer to max load.
I was surprised but the RL15 velocities being quite low based on the book numbers. It is what it is. Just something I noticed.
For my old Rem 700 .308 and 175 gr SMK, I was shooting at 42.0 gr and around 2500 fps and getting decent results at 1000. Had room to push it faster, but never got around to it.
With your givin buffer to max load for your rifle, is based on manual or reading case rim and primer after fired?
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Got it. I use GeoBallistics. I meant did you get the 2700-2900 fps targets from studying the ballistic numbers? Or other metric?
There’s a lot of discussion from the various LR shooting disciplines on velocities, caliber, etc. Range of recommendations. Almost as much as for discussion on 9 vs 45.
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With your givin buffer to max load for your rifle, is based on manual or reading case rim and primer after fired?
For .308, that’s from book numbers. I haven’t done ladder testing outside those windows. At least not yet. Next phase of testing with ladder test will push the window.
For 6.5, I have done ladder tests and have data where pressure signs show up. At least for H4350, I’ve tested beyond the Hornady load data for the 140 gr ELD-M.
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Got it. I use GeoBallistics. I meant did you get the 2700-2900 fps targets from studying the ballistic numbers? Or other metric?
There’s a lot of discussion from the various LR shooting disciplines on velocities, caliber, etc. Range of recommendations. Almost as much as for discussion on 9 vs 45.
That’s just base MV I input to the calc. Not field data. More like a target MV number. Based on internet and forums, with the Palmas some were getting over 2900. And 175 over 2700. All depends how much am allowed to push these weights by readings. If I’m gonna push over recorded data, I’ll start to read my cases. I usually start reading when I’m close to max then continue. Wants I see pressure signs, then I’ll back out by .02-.03. I usually go in .05 increments climbing.
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Did you chamber barrel for specific or tighter dimensions? Say for targeting a specific projectile? I know some folks push the velocities in their rifles, but they all have chambers for tailored for a narrow use.
My .308 is chambered with SAC’s match reamer with FB specific for 168 hr Hybrid (175 gr ok too) at mag length. Neither here nor there, just mentioning what I went with. At one point I was going to try the heavier projectiles in the 205 gr area, but that was with my old rifle.
My buddy shoots Lapua 155 gr scenars in his .308. I think his twist is in the 11-12 range. I’ll ask him, but I don’t think he was pushing them that fast. He mostly shoots in the 300-600 yd range, but has had good results out to 1000 ish.
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No.. this is a pre fit for axsa or atx AI.
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On the Sierra reloading manual app. For 155 Palma.. it seems start load is around 2750 fps. As I increase velocity… arestek (-) not enough to start or over max, orange (*) is low pressure, double red (**) high pressure
CFE223 which is a slow burning powder finish last. Pushing the projectile almost 3000 at high pressure. Please take this as a grain of salt. It’s just Sierra’s reloading app.
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Aloha Rhed
WGS had Peterson SRP Brass last week for a decent price. Picked up couple boxes
Hope this helps
Aloha
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Aloha Rhed
WGS had Peterson SRP Brass last week for a decent price. Picked up couple boxes
Hope this helps
Aloha
Thanks brotha.. will check it out. :shaka:
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Easy hope u get some if he's out lmk
Aloha
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On the Sierra reloading manual app. For 155 Palma.. it seems start load is around 2750 fps. As I increase velocity… arestek (-) not enough to start or over max, orange (*) is low pressure, double red (**) high pressure
CFE223 which is a slow burning powder finish last. Pushing the projectile almost 3000 at high pressure. Please take this as a grain of salt. It’s just Sierra’s reloading app.
SNIP
Wow! That's zooming with the 155 gr and CFE223. With my 26" barrel .308, I am getting well over book velocities (24" barrel test rifle) with 8208 and Varget without any pressure signs.
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Aloha Rhed
WGS had Peterson SRP Brass last week for a decent price. Picked up couple boxes
Hope this helps
Aloha
Only ballahs (I mean smart shooters) like you and Rhed have SRPs. . . ;D
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Wow! That's zooming with the 155 gr and CFE223. With my 26" barrel .308, I am getting well over book velocities (24" barrel test rifle) with 8208 and Varget without any pressure signs.
Yea.. it seems CFE223 gives extra velocities in other bullets too. Even when I slide the bar to 2910 not even high pressure. At that speed TAC is hitting on the high. Though yes, would be different on 26” barrel. Maybe 10 more free vel.
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I have a rifle specific built for the 155, with a 95 Palma chamber cut. The throat is shorter to optimally seat Sierra 155 Palma projectiles. As expected, the rifle shoot superbly with these bullets and I get very high velocities out of a 30” barrel. Around 2950 fps. (This is a very hot load, be careful if your chamber is not tight cut to allow, work up slowly looking for pressure)
I have no opportunity to shoot 1000 yards so I cannot speak to the effects. However, I have used to good effect at 600.
Nowadays modern projectiles have been coming out with super ballistic coefficients. I settled on 168 Berger Hybrid for my match projectile. Better increase in BC, yet still retains a ton of speed. If ever I can shoot 1k this would be the round I use.
Problem is .308 case is too small, if you go heavier than 168 you start losing the ballistic advantage of the more massive bullet because of the decrease in velocity.
If there is no requirement to use .308, 6.5 Creedmore and other variations, have much better external ballistics for long range shooting.
IMO
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Agreed.. I always thought, at 175 gr, it’s more the likes of a magnum round, PRC or Winmag. Guess that’s why in Sierra’s manual, one need to get the 175 at least 2800 for a higher BC. And a .308 ain’t gonna cut it. 175 gr for .308 to grand is doable as many done it . But limiting factor is speed if to go any further in a .308. I’ve done Hornady 168 hpbt out (twice out of 25 shots 😂) to a grand. But I was shooting it like rainbows. 😂 Wasn’t very consistent either Then again, it wasn’t my intent for these bullets. They shot superb at 800. My gas gun shoots 77 gr tmk out to 700 consistently, wtf. I’m gonna try these 155 Palma #2156. If I can get 2800 or better, I should be golden. I’ve read good reports on these bullets for a standard AI Bartlein pre-fit in 1/10. And if that’s not cutting it, then 6 or maybe 6.5.
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I have a rifle specific built for the 155, with a 95 Palma chamber cut. The throat is shorter to optimally seat Sierra 155 Palma projectiles. As expected, the rifle shoot superbly with these bullets and I get very high velocities out of a 30” barrel. Around 2950 fps. (This is a very hot load, be careful if your chamber is not tight cut to allow, work up slowly looking for pressure)
I have no opportunity to shoot 1000 yards so I cannot speak to the effects. However, I have used to good effect at 600.
Nowadays modern projectiles have been coming out with super ballistic coefficients. I settled on 168 Berger Hybrid for my match projectile. Better increase in BC, yet still retains a ton of speed. If ever I can shoot 1k this would be the round I use.
Problem is .308 case is too small, if you go heavier than 168 you start losing the ballistic advantage of the more massive bullet because of the decrease in velocity.
If there is no requirement to use .308, 6.5 Creedmore and other variations, have much better external ballistics for long range shooting.
IMO
I've been shooting the Berger 168 hybrids as well. About to start the load development on my new(ish) .308 with them shortly.
I agree 100)% with the last statement, which is why I also have a new(ish) 6.5 creedmore and actually another one waiting for me at the FFL. . . :o Singular focus on shooting steel at 600-1000ish yards. Though second 6.5 was mostly because I found a great deal on an Impact Precision action, so I HAD to get one. ;D
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Agreed.. I always thought, at 175 gr, it’s more the likes of a magnum round, PRC or Winmag. Guess that’s why in Sierra’s manual, one need to get the 175 at least 2800 for a higher BC. And a .308 ain’t gonna cut it. 175 gr for .308 to grand is doable as many done it . But limiting factor is speed if to go any further in a .308. I’ve done Hornady 168 hpbt out (twice out of 25 shots 😂) to a grand. But I was shooting it like rainbows. 😂 Wasn’t very consistent either Then again, it wasn’t my intent for these bullets. They shot superb at 800. My gas gun shoots 77 gr tmk out to 700 consistently, wtf. I’m gonna try these 155 Palma #2156. If I can get 2800 or better, I should be golden. I’ve read good reports on these bullets for a standard AI Bartlein pre-fit in 1/10. And if that’s not cutting it, then 6 or maybe 6.5.
You, Heavies, and I need to meet up and the range, shoot and chat. We are all on a very similar path, just different stages and slightly different ways to get to the end goal. With very similar conclusions along the way.
Just checked my notes again and with 8208,I was getting 2740 fps at 42.5 gr. I would suspect (haven't tested yet) that when I do the ladder test with 8208, I'll likely be able to get to at least 2800 fps in the 42.9 gr range. Haven't decide the range for ladder test yet, but I'm thinking 43.4ish at least.
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a Palma rifle has a long barrel with a slow twist
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a Palma rifle has a long barrel with a slow twist
Yes.. Palma shooters 30” 1-14.
Let’s just see what it does in 26” 1-10
I mean those snapshots I took from Sierra’s reloading app is from a 24” 1-10 twist for the 155 Palma.So might have chance.
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a Palma rifle has a long barrel with a slow twist
I forget, but I think mine is a 12 twist.
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I've been shooting the Berger 168 hybrids as well. About to start the load development on my new(ish) .308 with them shortly.
I agree 100)% with the last statement, which is why I also have a new(ish) 6.5 creedmore and actually another one waiting for me at the FFL. . . :o Singular focus on shooting steel at 600-1000ish yards. Though second 6.5 was mostly because I found a great deal on an Impact Precision action, so I HAD to get one. ;D
These hybrids are awesome and taking advantage of the higher BC and mass is easier because the shorter bearing surface and longer nose allows these pills to be pushed faster with less pressure. And they shoot very accurate.
Don’t try the same loads with 168 SMKs. Lol. You’ll blow primers or worse. Don’t ask how I know. :rofl:
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Heavies, drck1000.. what kind of MV’s where you getting with the hybrid? I might pick up a box of 100 from pv to try it out too.
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Heavies, drck1000.. what kind of MV’s where you getting with the hybrid? I might pick up a box of 100 from pv to try it out too.
I haven't shot the Berger 168 gr hybrids in my new rifle (26" Bartlein 1:10 M24 contour). See data below from my old Rem 700, 20" SPS Tactical.
Range of powder charge and velocities
Varget
40.5 - 2364
42.0 - 2477
42.5 - Missed data, but shot fine.
8208
39.5 - 2465 fps
41.5 - 2590 fps
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Heavies, drck1000.. what kind of MV’s where you getting with the hybrid? I might pick up a box of 100 from pv to try it out too.
Good question. I haven’t shot them for years now, can’t find my data book. Very embarrassing. Sorry. It was a pretty warm load.
Used small rifle primer magnums in .308 Palma cases with the flash hole reamed out to a normal diameter, 8308 XBR
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Good question. I haven’t shot them for years now, can’t find my data book. Very embarrassing. Sorry. It was a pretty warm load.
Used small rifle primer magnums in .308 Palma cases with the flash hole reamed out to a normal diameter, 8308 XBR
I just picked up 100 pieces of Perterson srp.308 at WGS yesterday since 808Hunta said they had. Sh!t! Should’ve just grabbed the last 50 pieces too. They get one more box left if anyone interested. Cause .308 Palma brass is sold out everywhere. This the first time I’m gonna work with these brass. Friggin nice! Neck wall thickness .014 all consistent vs Lapua .015. Had to order one .334 tn bushing for .002 grip. I only get .335-.336.
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I just picked up 100 pieces of Perterson srp.308 at WGS yesterday since 808Hunta said they had. Sh!t! Should’ve just grabbed the last 50 pieces too. They get one more box left if anyone interested. Cause .308 Palma brass is sold out everywhere. This the first time I’m gonna work with these brass. Friggin nice! Neck wall thickness .014 all consistent vs Lapua .015. Had to order one .334 tn bushing for .002 grip. I only get .335-.336.
Shoot, I have a bunch of Redding bushings that I'm not going to use since transitioning away from Redding sizing dies for 6.5 and .308. If you didn't order the .334 or may need others, lmk and I'll check what I have. I have a couple of bushings from Short Action Customs that are meant for Redding dies (and supposed to fit most bushing dies). I'll have to check what size, but lmk if you want to try them.
Have you looked into ADG for brass? I've heard really good things about them as an alternative to Lapua. They seem quite pricey though.
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Have you looked into ADG for brass? I've heard really good things about them as an alternative to Lapua. They seem quite pricey though.
I use several different offerings of ADG Brass. It's good brass, but I'm pretty sure they don't make 308 SRP though.
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I use several different offerings of ADG Brass. It's good brass, but I'm pretty sure they don't make 308 SRP though.
Ahh, I was thinking of Alpha Munitions. Did a quick search and Alpha Munitions does make .308 Win with SRP, but didn’t see anything in stock.
I was lucky to get both .308 and 6.5 cm LRP Lapua brass a while back. Seems like they are also quite often out of stock though. Seems like a lot of popular cartridges are tough to find brass. :(
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I put notifications on 6.5 srp and .308 srp brass in Lapua or Peterson at brownells. They pretty good with notifying when it becomes in stock. I get several bullets to in notifications tmk’s mostly. But that stuff been out for a long while too. I like try the 168 gr in tmk.
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Ahh, I was thinking of Alpha Munitions. Did a quick search and Alpha Munitions does make .308 Win with SRP, but didn’t see anything in stock.
I was lucky to get both .308 and 6.5 cm LRP Lapua brass a while back. Seems like they are also quite often out of stock though. Seems like a lot of popular cartridges are tough to find brass. :(
Yeah Alpha does my bradda their OCD Brass is great stuff
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I put notifications on 6.5 srp and .308 srp brass in Lapua or Peterson at brownells. They pretty good with notifying when it becomes in stock. I get several bullets to in notifications tmk’s mostly. But that stuff been out for a long while too. I like try the 168 gr in tmk.
I shop/check often at Mile High, Bullet Central, and Whidden. Maybe a couple of others. I think I'm on the notification list with them for some Berger bullets.
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I shop/check often at Mile High, Bullet Central, and Whidden. Maybe a couple of others. I think I'm on the notification list with them for some Berger bullets.
What bergers you looking for my bradda? Lmk if I don't have them I'll look out for them as well
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What bergers you looking for my bradda? Lmk if I don't have them I'll look out for them as well
Berger 140 gr 6.5mm Hybrid Target (#26414)
If you find in stock, yeah, let me know. I have a bunch of Hornady 140 gr and 147 gr ELD-Ms and 140 gr SMK, so I have plenty to "keep me busy". But really want to try the Bergers in 6.5. Grass always looks greener on the other side. ;D
Luckily, I have a bunch of Berger 168 gr Hybrids in .308, so that scratches some of the Berger itch.
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Shux I sent my last 500 to a bradda big island not too long ago. I'll keep a look out n have a few friends on the mainland looking as well. Glad you get some bullets to keep you busy in the mean time :D
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Shux I sent my last 500 to a bradda big island not too long ago. I'll keep a look out n have a few friends on the mainland looking as well. Glad you get some bullets to keep you busy in the mean time :D
Thanks! Yeah, def keep me posted it you see anything. I signed up on a bunch of sites and regularly check other sites that don't have notification. Not a big deal, but those Bergers get really good reviews.
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Thanks! Yeah, def keep me posted it you see anything. I signed up on a bunch of sites and regularly check other sites that don't have notification. Not a big deal, but those Bergers get really good reviews.
No problem brother anytime! Yeah I use bergers in my .243, .257, .264 and .284 caliber cartridges
Will lyk if I get a lead on any my bradda! Have a good one
Aloha
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Berger hybrid bullets, does those bullets need the vld type seating stem? I get one vld setting stem but for LE Wilson seater. I use it for the tmk’s.
Probably gonna start reloading this weekend. Gonna check the Petersons factory sizing on the Redding instant indicator. If is to saami, then I just gonna reload it from there just so I can fire form the first 50.
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Berger hybrid bullets, does those bullets need the vld type seating stem? I get one vld setting stem but for LE Wilson seater. I use it for the tmk’s.
Probably gonna start reloading this weekend. Gonna check the Petersons factory sizing on the Redding instant indicator. If is to saami, then I just gonna reload it from there just so I can fire form the first 50.
Howzit my bradda berger does recommend a vld seating stem for hybrids. The hybrids have both tangent and secant ogives therefore they recommend using the vld seating stem.
Aloha
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Howzit bradda drck1000
I get 2 boxes 140 gr hybrids inbound lyk when I get em. Hope that helps get you started
Aloha
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Howzit bradda drck1000
I get 2 boxes 140 gr hybrids inbound lyk when I get em. Hope that helps get you started
Aloha
Awesome! Thank you so much! Please let me know if you (or your buddies) have any needs as well.
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I no more 6.5 kine. But if you guys like try some of 155 Palma or 175 smk lmk. I also have a few Hornady 168 hpbt match too. I get Hornady reloading manual if you like me post the data. 1 more box of 500 pieces 168 gr smk. 77 gr tmk. Lmk you guys like try.
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Awesome! Thank you so much! Please let me know if you (or your buddies) have any needs as well.
Easy bradda no prob :shaka: I will mahalo
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I no more 6.5 kine. But if you guys like try some of 155 Palma or 175 smk lmk. I also have a few Hornady 168 hpbt match too. I get Hornady reloading manual if you like me post the data. 1 more box of 500 pieces 168 gr smk. 77 gr tmk. Lmk you guys like try.
Mahalo for the offer bradda :shaka: appreciate ĺt
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I too have a surplus of .30 cal bullets. If you folks want to try Hornady 168 gr ELD-Match, 168 gr SMK and Nosler Competition (same thing) and couple of different 175 gr Bergers, lust let me know. I also have a bunch of “just as good as 168 gr SMK” from Everglades as well.
I bought a variety to test and going with Berger 168 gr hybrids. Will likely use some of the 168 gr stuff for loading up come 30-06. Even after that, I have plenty extra.
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I too have a surplus of .30 cal bullets. If you folks want to try Hornady 168 gr ELD-Match, 168 gr SMK and Nosler Competition (same thing) and couple of different 175 gr Bergers, lust let me know. I also have a bunch of “just as good as 168 gr SMK” from Everglades as well.
I bought a variety to test and going with Berger 168 gr hybrids. Will likely use some of the 168 gr stuff for loading up come 30-06. Even after that, I have plenty extra.
Right on my bradda! Unfortunately I don't shoot much target shooting so mainly hunting bullets lol. But the bergers can do both as well as the sierras. I use 180 hybrids in my larger 7mm's
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Finally got time to go to my bench and start some. Well, all I did was open the box of 155 smk Palma. Just to check the uniformity.
Here’s a comparison between the 155 smk (#2156c) left and the 175 smk right. They almost look identical.
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Notice the closed tip on the 155? Pretty slick..
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Checked the weight on these just out of curiosity..
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Checked BTO on some of the 155’s which is mmm not bad I guess.
First one I set at “0”
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Bullet 1
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Bullet 2
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Bullet 3
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Bullet 4
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Rhed - That is one bada$$ setup you have (spying your bench). With those scales and throwing setup and the Giraud trimmer. Wow!
I recently went with a AMP annealer and damn is that thing fast and super easy/convenient. I am still trimming with a Wilson trimmer, but for the volume I do, it's ok. Been eyeing the Giraud and (I forget the name, but it's red).
I haven't done any bullet sorting, but I know some F-Class folks who sort by OAL within a given lot. I don't even want to think about pointing. haha
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Yea the AMP. One of the best investments in my reloading bench. A must have, especially with quality brass. I have the Mark 1 version that I bought 5 years ago. Then just got the AZTEC upgrade when it released. Cost me less then 1k from brownells after some promo codes when they use to carry it. Cool, you must have the Mark 2 version. Faster, runs cooler, and already comes with AZTEC.
I don’t point my bullets. These 155’s 2156 already comes pointed from Sierra. I do want to experiment though one day. If you go with a Giraud trimmer, they sell the Meplat blades to use with the trimmer. I got one for .223 and .308. Just never got around to getting the pointer dies, https://bullettipping.com/products/bullet-tipping-die/ . Maybe time to try since we still slowly getting reloading components (primers and powders) coming in.. try pointing some 175 smk or 168 smk.
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Yup. I have the Mark 2. Once I got the settings, I can now anneal 50 cases in less than the time it would take me to setup the flame annealer. I load at my buddy's shop, so I put everything away between sessions. Setting up the flame annealer isn't difficult, but it does take time to dial it in just right. Now, I can change from annealing .308 to 6.5 CM with about a handful of button presses. Def well worth the investment.
I decided to get one right in the middle of their dry spell. I would have to get online just before noon (I forget what time zone) and have the order in my basket and ready to go. Those suckers would sell out in minutes.
I don't think I'll ever get to tipping bullets, but who knows. I never thought I would have an AMP annealer. . . haha
Will check out the Meplat blades for the Giraud. I now hvae 3 rifles to load for, so any efficiencies gained is more time shooting. But also more components being used. . . :( Hopefully the component market continues to improve and we can get a decent hui for group buy. Was talking to another shooting buddy the other day and think we have enough people. Just need the suppliers to get enough supply.
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Not really relevant to the subject, but thought I’d share my findings with Peterson compared to Lapua. I use Lapua or Nosler, and their pretty consistent. This is my first time using Peterson.Though all of that is a moot when one preps their own brass anyways.
.308 Peterson srp left, Lapua lrp right
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/922/uJYBmi.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmuJYBmij)
Peterson
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/924/2km2hz.jpg) (http://https:w//imageshacke.com/i/po2km2hzj)
Lapua
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/922/zRFYIK.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmzRFYIKj)
Peterson
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/923/scSyfx.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnscSyfxj)
Lapua
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/924/nwnWa9.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/ponwnWa9j)
Redding SAAMI spec case gauge
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/924/jg7CcJ.jpg) (http://httpsw://imageshack.com/i/pojg7CcJj)
Case gauge set to zero
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/922/tagjjb.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmtagjjbj)
Peterson
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/922/5yQU7f.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pm5yQU7fj)
Lapua
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/923/UgjpE0.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnUgjpE0j)
Forgot to add, these brass are brand new out of the box. No prepping..
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Went to the range today to fire form only. It was a frustrating day at the range for me actually. My LabRadar was giving me issues in combination with the app always loosing connection. I did everything the night before, updated the firmware, connected my phone. Then all went to shits at the range. Then come to find out 20 something shots later, when I decided to turn off and turn on the LabRadar, it gave me a error of disk write protected of some sort. Pulled out the SD card to find out the lock on the side of the SD card does not want to stay on the open position, so each time when I put it in, it slides back to lock.. wt.. :wacko: Anyways I had to jimmy rig something to keep it open temporarily. I did manage to get some reads. By that time, I was frustrated as shit! So I was averaging 2850-2860 fps. There’s plenty of room yet for development, no pressure signs. I just loaded 46.4 gr of Varget. These are fire forming only. I think I can get it to 2900. If I can without too much pressure signs, I’ll be golden out to 1000- maybe 1200 yrds.
155 gr smk #2156
.308 SRP Peterson case ( no prepping done, reloaded out of the box, did put just a kiss of crimp using a taper crimp die, just in case)
46.4 gr Varget
CCI #450 SRP
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/922/sG8OWI.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmsG8OWIj)
5 shot groups
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/922/Slh6yL.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmSlh6yLj)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/923/Boruzx.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnBoruzxj)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/923/KNckS8.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnKNckS8j)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/922/oSjjxp.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmoSjjxpj)
Development load I probably just gonna load in .2 (46.6, 46.8, and 47 maybe 47.2) 5 each. I’m thinking of also seeing what the 175’s will do so, I might do 20 of those too, but with XBR.
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Went to the range today to fire form only. It was a frustrating day at the range for me actually. My LabRadar was giving me issues in combination with the app always loosing connection. I did everything the night before, updated the firmware, connected my phone. Then all went to shits at the range. Then come to find out 20 something shots later, when I decided to turn off and turn on the LabRadar, it gave me a error of disk write protected of some sort. Pulled out the SD card to find out the lock on the side of the SD card does not want to stay on the open position, so each time when I put it in, it slides back to lock.. wt.. :wacko: Anyways I had to jimmy rig something to keep it open temporarily. I did manage to get some reads. By that time, I was frustrated as shit! So I was averaging 2850-2860 fps. There’s plenty of room yet for development, no pressure signs. I just loaded 46.4 gr of Varget. These are fire forming only. I think I can get it to 2900. If I can without too much pressure signs, I’ll be golden out to 1000- maybe 1200 yrds.
155 gr smk #2156
.308 SRP Peterson case ( no prepping done, reloaded out of the box, did put just a kiss of crimp using a taper crimp die, just in case)
46.4 gr Varget
CCI #450 SRP
5 shot groups
Development load I probably just gonna load in .2 (46.6, 46.8, and 47 maybe 47.2) 5 each. I’m thinking of also seeing what the 175’s will do so, I might do 20 of those too, but with XBR.
You use the disk? I have been using the built-in memory (or at least I assume). Will see what happens if/when I exceed the data limits. I keep a written log, but haven't thought about digital records.
46.4 Varget at 2850 fps is zooming!
That is some good shootin'! At least once you ironed out the horizontal dispersion on the second target pic. ;D (kidding, kidding)
Do you have Ballistic-X?
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Yea was a frustrating day. I think I have to delete my internal memory data. I haven’t done that since the last time I’ve used it. It only holds 100 shots, I think. I busy trying to get that LabRadar to wor mostly. And zeroing my scope too. But it’s ok, it was only fire forming. Just wanted to see what kind of speed I was getting. Hopefully I have time to go this weekend fine tune and do reload development. After this past shooting trip, decided to order a Piet Recoil Trigger for the LabRadar. Should have done that before. Got a new SD card too.
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Yea was a frustrating day. I think I have to delete my internal memory data. I haven’t done that since the last time I’ve used it. It only holds 100 shots, I think. I busy trying to get that LabRadar to wor mostly. And zeroing my scope too. But it’s ok, it was only fire forming. Just wanted to see what kind of speed I was getting. Hopefully I have time to go this weekend fine tune and do reload development. After this past shooting trip, decided to order a Piet Recoil Trigger for the LabRadar. Should have done that before. Got a new SD card too.
I have the JKL Precision trigger. VERY helpful. Eliminates or greatly reduces missed shots, or errors. With the Impact Precision, I have to be a little careful as working the bolt in a certain way results in a trigger. My Defiance actions, no problem. I probably can adjust the setting for the Impact, but it hasn't bothered me. . . yet.
Yeah, fighting your gear is n bueno. I had a different USB battery that would shut off if there was a too long break between shots. So I ended up missing shots or even strings here and there. Super :grrr: A new USB battery pack and all was well again. When I do my powder tests, a missed shot here and there will not be good.
Hope your next range session goes well!
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I have the JKL Precision trigger. VERY helpful. Eliminates or greatly reduces missed shots, or errors. With the Impact Precision, I have to be a little careful as working the bolt in a certain way results in a trigger. My Defiance actions, no problem. I probably can adjust the setting for the Impact, but it hasn't bothered me. . . yet.
Yeah, fighting your gear is n bueno. I had a different USB battery that would shut off if there was a too long break between shots. So I ended up missing shots or even strings here and there. Super :grrr: A new USB battery pack and all was well again. When I do my powder tests, a missed shot here and there will not be good.
Hope your next range session goes well!
Does your JKL trigger pick up the action on the bolt too? I was watching a video on https://pietrecoiltrigger.com/ and I think it said it sometimes picks up the bolt noise. But if it does, the LabRadar will jus throw a error at first. But when you take a shot, it’ll just go back to reading.
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Does your JKL trigger pick up the action on the bolt too? I was watching a video on https://pietrecoiltrigger.com/ and I think it said it sometimes picks up the bolt noise. But if it does, the LabRadar will jus throw a error at first. But when you take a shot, it’ll just go back to reading.
So far, I think it only picks up when I close the action. The Impact action has this bump at the end when closing the bolt. I've read about it and it doesn't bother me, but many other shooters have noted it. To the point where Impact's website mentions it and advises to "run the bolt like a man" or something to that effect. Haha
I think it triggered a couple of times when I opened the bolt and the bolt hit the rear of the action too abruptly. But yea, it just throws the error. I clear it if I see it, but I think it picks up the next shot just fine even if you don't. I've noticed more than a few times where there's a random pick up and nothing but the muzzle velocity, which is usually much lower.
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So I decided to stick with one load to finalize. 47gr of Varget seems to be ok. Still no pressure signs. But I’ll leave it at that already. I don’t wanna do any more ladder testing, as I only have 12lbs left. Hoping to stretch it out soon. Here’s some of the shooting this past weekend. Not the best of shooting, but then again, I’m not a good shooter. All for the hobby and fun. Gonna do a ladder test with 175gr using XBR later when I got time.
26” 1-10 bbl
.308 Peterson srp case
155 gr smk #2156
47 gr Varget
CCI #450 srp
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/922/xCpc8l.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmxCpc8lj)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/923/u0RfwK.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnu0RfwKj)
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47 gr Varget and 2900+ fps :o
That's impressive! Seems like good results on target as well. :geekdanc:
"Only 12lbs left", eh. Haha. If you get into dire need for Varget, let me know. I have quite a bit of 1lb containers of the same lot and an 8# jug as "back up". I'll likely be focusing on 6.5 cm for a while, so prob spending less time on .308 win, therefore using up less powder.
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47 gr Varget and 2900+ fps :o
That's impressive! Seems like good results on target as well. :geekdanc:
"Only 12lbs left", eh. Haha. If you get into dire need for Varget, let me know. I have quite a bit of 1lb containers of the same lot and an 8# jug as "back up". I'll likely be focusing on 6.5 cm for a while, so prob spending less time on .308 win, therefore using up less powder.
Nice! We can do some arrangement kine trading. Hmm.. I get Lrp or Srp’s.
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Nice! We can do some arrangement kine trading. Hmm.. I get Lrp or Srp’s.
Ya, just let me know if you end up needing.
I just noticed that you mentioned testing 175 gr with 8208 XBR. That's another combo, along with Varget, that I've had good experiences with. Though I have a lot less of that powder. I have plenty of others to test though. When I first started gearing up to load for .308, I was all over the place. That said, a lot of the powders that I picked up initially for .308 can also be used for 30-06. Eventually, I want to load up for my dad's old 1903. I have all the components, just need to do it. I do want to chrono to see where things need to be. Just looking for something to be able to load up and enjoy shooting that rifle.
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I was gonna experiment with 175 smk since I have a box. But I have different plans for them now. I wanted something to buck wind a little. Wanted to experiment with some berger jugs. But no can find. I did however manage to find a box of these 169 smk. I like try em. Thoughts?
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/924/64sCTT.jpg) (http://https:/w/imageshack.com/i/po64sCTTj)