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Tools and Uses => Firearms and Accessories => Topic started by: ren on July 16, 2022, 10:09:53 AM
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Thinking about either. Experiences?
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I have experience with a full size 1911 and a Glock 17.
Based on that, for carry the 1911 is way heavier.
For whatever that was worth.
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I have a compact 1911. Officer's model.
It's more finicky than a glock for various reasons.
I've carried it but it's not my first choice for ccw.
Pretty cool gun though. :D
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From my sample size of one each: I've got a full sized 1911 that dislikes certain ammo, certain mags, and possibly dislikes me. If I use Wilson Combat mags and a flavor of ammo that it likes it seems reliable, so there's a path forward, but it's been at a significant expense. My glock 19 likes junk ammo like a fat kid likes junk food and functions with either oem or aftermarket mags. I'm sure it's had an occasional stovepipe but it's far more reliable than the 1911. The upside of the 1911 is that it's got a far better trigger.
I believe the expression goes: "Show your 1911 to your friends and your Glock to your enemies." That said, do you really have to pick just one? My heart is big enough for both.
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Lots of direct experience with Glock 19s. Excellent pistol, suitable for a variety of uses, including CCW.
I have shot a number of compact and sub-compact 1911s, but haven't owned any. From what little first hand experience and from experiences shared from trusted friends, compact 1911s can be finicky. However, like any mechanical device, assuming proper maintenance and time/effort for tuning, can be fine. Main take away for me is does prospective owner have time, willingness, and inclination to perform the tuning and maintenance? I certainly do not.
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Thinking about either.
For what purpose? Glock 19 or compact 1911, don't care for either, own both, prefer the Glock 19 for the same reasons given by Direjackalope.
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in anticipation of CCW. All I have are full size 1911s since we can't CCW earlier and shoot service pistol.
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For carry, I would go G19
How compact are we talking about for a 1911. Commander size? Or smaller?
Friend had a sub compact kimber and it jammed often and so tiny hard to get good grip to get the stuck round out of there
I sometimes think about a Springfield EMP compact 1911 9mm for carry but never shot one
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For carry, I would go G19
How compact are we talking about for a 1911. Commander size? Or smaller?
Friend had a sub compact kimber and it jammed often and so tiny hard to get good grip to get the stuck round out of there
I sometimes think about a Springfield EMP compact 1911 9mm for carry but never shot one
that's another pistol I was considering - but I didn't bump into one at the dealers so far. I'm going to get the G19. Most economical and practical.
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For what purpose? Glock 19 or compact 1911, don't care for either, own both, prefer the Glock 19 for the same reasons given by Direjackalope.
Whatever HK Fanboi. . . ;D
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Factory Glocks come with 3 mags right?
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1911s have more that can go wrong under stress, grip safety and manual safety. Also the weight and capacity. The pistol mag ban is going away in a year or two so you can have 15 rounds in the Glock vs 7 or 10 in the 1911.
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Factory Glocks come with 3 mags right?
According to Glock's manual, the G17-G48 come with "1 mag and 2 spares." The G44 has a separate manual, and states "1 mag and 1 spare."
I've been reading many who know some dealers who only include 2, then keep the third to sell separately and make a few more bucks. Even when called out by customers who show the label printed at the factory states "3 Magazines," the dealers won't budge.
I also read someone's post saying Glock changed from 3 mags to 2 somewhere on the Glock website, but then changed back to 3. I can't find that anywhere official, so who knows?
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Factory Glocks come with 3 mags right?
Yes. Believe new/recent production models ship with 3 mags. May find some "old stock" here and there. As well as the occasional gun shop that would sell as 2 mags "factory standard".
If you end up getting a 19, let me know. I can give you some 19 mags. Many folks also use 17 mags.
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Factory Glocks come with 3 mags right?
From what I have seen Glock Gen 3 models come with 2 magazines total.
And Gen 4 and 5 models come with 3 magazines total
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Glock is my go to. I have experience with G17, G19, G22, Taurus G3C, and a shitty little fun .380 by Jimenez Arms. Taurus was snappy because it was subcompact, .380 was better but was old and whacky design, but a G22 with a 9mm barrel is perfect for me and G17 is king.
I’m sure you can tell where my bias lies
I’d say Glock 19 for weight savings, capacity, and overall comfort and ease of use
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I had a Springfield EMP9, but I like rails and being able to mount lights.
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There is a noticeable weight diff between the 2 and size/mag size diff. 1911 gonna be bigger basically
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Glock 19 was the go to gun when there weren't much other quality options and they're popular now just cause everyone had one. There are better guns out nowadays. HK, Sig, Walther, S&W etc with better ergos and trigger.
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How much do you think it costs Glock to make a Glock? I'm guessing about $150 to manufacture a 19.
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Glock 19 was the go to gun when there weren't much other quality options and they're popular now just cause everyone had one. There are better guns out nowadays. HK, Sig, Walther, S&W etc with better ergos and trigger.
I came for the reliability and stayed for the mag compatibility.
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I came for the reliability and stayed for the mag compatibility.
Similar for me. Plus after market support and familiarity of one platform. Are there other guns with better ergos? Maybe, but I like and have gotten used to Glock. Glocks get a bad rap for triggers, but it’s not a match pistol.
Personal choice, but tried and true, at least for me.
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I do t have experience with a 1911.
I can tell you that I put 2200 (confirmed) rounds thru my 19 before I cleaned it. It was still well lubed (factory grease) and I probably could of carried on for some time. During that time I had zero non user introduced issues. The only reason I cleaned it was I wanted to carry it on a trip to the main land.
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You should apply for a CCW permit for the gun you do have, not the one you wish you could have. Go put and buy a Glock, Sig, HK, or Keltec and then apply for CCW when you get it.
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How much do you think it costs Glock to make a Glock? I'm guessing about $150 to manufacture a 19.
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Maybe even less if they use recycled water bottles for the frame and recycled Volkswagens for the upper.
Save the planet!
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How much do you think it costs Glock to make a Glock? I'm guessing about $150 to manufacture a 19.
If it's like most businesses, labor is usually the largest operations cost. Then there's records compliance, reporting compliance, quality control, materials sourcing/acquisition, chemical tests on the materials during fabrication, facilities, equipment, maintenance on facilities and equipment, etc.
When I worked for Pizza Hut in college, a large, pan Supreme pizza that cost the customer $18 only took about $5 worth of ingredients. The ingredients were purchased and processed in mass volumes to keep the average cost down. The "profit" went to overhead, wages and salaries, and corporate costs. If we flubbed up an order, that one re-make ate into the profit by over 30% -- the $18 pizza now cost us $10, and that's only if the manager didn't take the pizza off the check to apologize for the mistake, meaning the store just lost the cost AND the potential profit from two pizza's worth of ingredients.
Yeah, it's easy to get tunnel vision and only see the raw material breakout as "what it costs to make." When you add the labor, overhead, and everything else that goes into the process, I imagine the profit margin is a lot thinner than we'd think.
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If it's like most businesses, labor is usually the largest operations cost. Then there's records compliance, reporting compliance, quality control, materials sourcing/acquisition, chemical tests on the materials during fabrication, facilities, equipment, maintenance on facilities and equipment, etc.
When I worked for Pizza Hut in college, a large, pan Supreme pizza that cost the customer $18 only took about $5 worth of ingredients. The ingredients were purchased and processed in mass volumes to keep the average cost down. The "profit" went to overhead, wages and salaries, and corporate costs. If we flubbed up an order, that one re-make ate into the profit by over 30% -- the $18 pizza now cost us $10, and that's only if the manager didn't take the pizza off the check to apologize for the mistake, meaning the store just lost the cost AND the potential profit from two pizza's worth of ingredients.
Yeah, it's easy to get tunnel vision and only see the raw material breakout as "what it costs to make." When you add the labor, overhead, and everything else that goes into the process, I imagine the profit margin is a lot thinner than we'd think.
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correction...
Maybe even less if they use recycled water bottles for the frame, recycled Volkswagens for the upper, and Guatemalan immigrants shipped in from the border patrol as labor.
"EcoGlocks"
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correction...
Maybe even less if they use recycled water bottles for the frame, recycled Volkswagens for the upper, and Guatemalan immigrants shipped in from the border patrol as labor.
"EcoGlocks"
Who needs to ship workers in? Biden's border insecurity policy is flooding the US market with cheap-ass labor.
The gubbment even delivers to your door if you want -- at taxpayer expense!
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figure the molds would've paid itself many times over by now