Post by: 6716J on July 18, 2022, 12:44:23 PM
H. R. 1808
To regulate assault weapons, to ensure that the right to keep and bear arms is not unlimited, and for other purposes.
A BILL
To regulate assault weapons, to ensure that the right to keep and bear arms is not unlimited, and for other purposes.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the “Assault Weapons Ban of 2021”.
SEC. 3. RESTRICTIONS ON ASSAULT WEAPONS AND LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES.
(a) In General.—Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended—
(1) by inserting after subsection (u) the following:
“(v) (1) It shall be unlawful for a person to import, sell, manufacture, transfer, or possess, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, a semiautomatic assault weapon.
“(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to the possession, sale, or transfer of any semiautomatic assault weapon otherwise lawfully possessed under Federal law on the date of enactment of the Assault Weapons Ban of 2021.
“(w) (1) It shall be unlawful for a person to import, sell, manufacture, transfer, or possess, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, a large capacity ammunition feeding device.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1808/text
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 18, 2022, 01:44:26 PM
Post by: nickelzismoney on July 18, 2022, 02:14:14 PM
It's gonna be one hell of a fight. And we already know the RINOS will roll over
H. R. 1808
To regulate assault weapons, to ensure that the right to keep and bear arms is not unlimited, and for other purposes.
A BILL
To regulate assault weapons, to ensure that the right to keep and bear arms is not unlimited, and for other purposes.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the “Assault Weapons Ban of 2021”.
SEC. 3. RESTRICTIONS ON ASSAULT WEAPONS AND LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES.
(a) In General.—Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended—
(1) by inserting after subsection (u) the following:
“(v) (1) It shall be unlawful for a person to import, sell, manufacture, transfer, or possess, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, a semiautomatic assault weapon.
“(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to the possession, sale, or transfer of any semiautomatic assault weapon otherwise lawfully possessed under Federal law on the date of enactment of the Assault Weapons Ban of 2021.
“(w) (1) It shall be unlawful for a person to import, sell, manufacture, transfer, or possess, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, a large capacity ammunition feeding device.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1808/text
Should be fine since “assault weapon” has no official or legal standing. Guns N Gadgets says he believed it could pass, but he believe it won’t. Says there’s always a chance clearly especially now, but also said implications said current owners would be grandfathered in. I don’t think it will pass the Senate. I really don’t. But make sure you get some good WP cases and be ready to bury those bad bois way out yonder past the Chattahoochie
Post by: 6716J on July 18, 2022, 04:00:06 PM
Should be fine since “assault weapon” has no official or legal standing. Guns N Gadgets says he believed it could pass, but he believe it won’t. Says there’s always a chance clearly especially now, but also said implications said current owners would be grandfathered in. I don’t think it will pass the Senate. I really don’t. But make sure you get some good WP cases and be ready to bury those bad bois way out yonder past the Chattahoochie
Based on how far these asshats are willing to go, ignore the Supreme Court, and have immense amounts of disdain for us "little people", it won't be time to bury them, it'll be time to use them if this goes to Bidets desk.
If you think that he wouldn't use the military to go after us, you're wrong. They've been purging the military of patriotic people since Clinton and it went into overdrive with O and now Bidet.
Now I will admit, it will be a little tough to collect them seeing how there are roughly 20 million of them (assault rifles) and about 400 million firearms in the public sector. Plus side for them, in communist states like Hawaii, California, Nueva York with registration, they'll have the cops and Natural Guard just SWAT us. Cons for them, Nevada, Idaho, Texas, etc.... all bets are off. And lots of those folk have no problem putting small holes in big targets.
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Post by: nickelzismoney on July 18, 2022, 04:08:51 PM
Based on how far these asshats are willing to go, ignore the Supreme Court, and have immense amounts of disdain for us "little people", it won't be time to bury them, it'll be time to use them if this goes to Bidets desk.
If you think that he wouldn't use the military to go after us, you're wrong. They've been purging the military of patriotic people since Clinton and it went into overdrive with O and now Bidet.
Now I will admit, it will be a little tough to collect them seeing how there are roughly 20 million of them (assault rifles) and about 400 million firearms in the public sector. Plus side for them, in communist states like Hawaii, California, Nueva York with registration, they'll have the cops and Natural Guard just SWAT us. Cons for them, Nevada, Idaho, Texas, etc.... all bets are off. And lots of those folk have no problem putting small holes in big targets.
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Nah, nobody is coming onto my property armed to confiscate my legally attained firearms over an unconstitutional, unfounded “law”. Not happening.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 18, 2022, 04:34:12 PM
Things calmed down and then BOOM! The Orlando Night Club shooting got him talking about the ban again. And again, the rifles flew off the shelves.
One reason the demand surges is because the gov't knows there are just too many ARs, AKs and other "assault weapons" in circulation for them to even try to take them away. So, they grandfather in the existing weapons. The catch with that is ALL STATES would have to register the existing weapons, so they know what's grandfathered, what's not, and where to go get them if the grandfathered guns are ever banned.
If this passes at the federal level, there won't be another state you can move yourself and/or your weapons to and avoid the registration/turn in. Not like now when one state passes a ban, and the guns move out of state to live with Uncle Bob and Aunt Sarah.
If the House passes the bill, be prepared to see AR prices rise and supplies drop. People will be trying to get theirs while they can still be grandfathered.
I don't think the Senate will let it go through, but it's not guaranteed.
The #1 result of these bans with grandfather provisions is to drive demand through the roof, successfully putting even more guns in the hands of the very people the ban is meant to deprive of assault weapons -- We, The People.
:thumbsup: :geekdanc:
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 18, 2022, 05:09:52 PM
Which is to go after the handguns.
They are instilling fear into the ignorant, stoopid sheeple about the evil of these black, metal, rifles. Put a wooden stock on them and they say it's ok. That's how stoopid these people are.
After the AWB, then it will be handguns. Then lever guns. Then bolt actions. Shotguns. Everything.
It's their long range agenda. Just look at Canada and that f@@gott leader of theirs.
That's where we're headed if we let them.
This November, the elections are very important. I wouldn't be surprised the tipping point is what happens there.
Post by: 6716J on July 18, 2022, 06:09:03 PM
Obama created such a demand for so-called assault weapons after Sandy Hook, you couldn't find one for over a year that wasn't doubled in price ... or more."Grandfathered "
Things calmed down and then BOOM! The Orlando Night Club shooting got him talking about the ban again. And again, the rifles flew off the shelves.
Once reason the demand surges is because the gov't know there are just too many ARs, AKs and other "assault weapons" in circulation for them to even try to take them away. So, they grandfather in the existing weapons. The catch with that is ALL STATES would have to register the existing weapons, so they know what's grandfathered, what's not, and where to go get them if the grandfathered guns are ever banned.
If this passes at the federal level, there won't be another state you can move yourself and/or your weapons to and avoid the registration/turn in. Not like now when one state passes a ban, and the guns move out of state to live with Uncle Bob and Aunt Sarah.
If the House passes the bill, be prepared to see AR prices rise and supplies drop. People will be trying to get theirs while they can still be grandfathered.
I don't think the Senate will let it go through, but it's not guaranteed.
The #1 result of these bans with grandfather provisions is to drive demand through the roof, successfully putting even more guns in the hands of the very people the ban is meant to deprive of assault weapons -- We, The People.
:geekdanc:
Just like 80%.....
Somehow I see as many AWs getting registered as bump stocks turned in.
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 18, 2022, 06:22:22 PM
"Grandfathered "
Just like 80%.....
Somehow I see as many AWs getting registered as bump stocks turned in.
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Whether in CA, Conn or NY, making something illegal unless you register it hasn't gone over very well....
Gun Group: Only 3 Percent of Californians With
Assault Weapons Registered Them After Latest Gun Law
https://freebeacon.com/issues/gun-group-3-percent-californians-assault-weapons-registered-latest-gun-law/
Connecticut Gun Owners Fail to Register;
Officials Push “Amnesty”
https://thenewamerican.com/connecticut-gun-owners-fail-to-register-officials-push-amnesty/
Why the Low Turnout for New York’s Assault
Weapons Registry Isn’t a Surprise
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Fewer than 24,000 New York residents have registered their assault-style firearms withhttps://www.thetrace.org/2015/06/why-the-low-turnout-for-new-yorks-assault-weapons-registry-isnt-a-surprise/
law enforcement since the state’s landmark gun policy bill went into effect in 2013, suggesting
that many gun owners are failing to comply with the legislation, newly released records show.
According to a county-by-county breakdown of gun-ownership statistics published Tuesday by
Albany’s Times Union, only 44,485 assault weapons have been registered by 23,847 gun
owners under the SAFE Act, which was signed by Gov. Andrew Cuomo a month after the 2012
massacre in Newtown, Connecticut. The National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), an
industry trade association, estimates that as many as one million New Yorkers own weapons
that fit the law’s criteria.
The SAFE Act, widely considered the strictest set of gun laws in the country, bans the sale and
possession of assault weapons under an expansive definition that includes semiautomatic rifles,
shotguns, and pistols with military-inspired accessories, such as detachable magazines and
protruding pistol grips. Gun owners who already possessed the assault-style weapons when the
legislation was signed in to law were allowed to keep them, but were required to meet an April 2014
registration deadline with the New York State Police.
In a statement on Tuesday, Tom King, president of the New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,
said he was “amused at the pathetically low numbers of New Yorkers who registered their so-called
assault rifles.” He guessed that most of them are law enforcement officials, who are already required
to do so.
The New York numbers echo the problems with assault-style gun registries introduced in other
states. Just over the border in Connecticut, gun owners registered more than 50,000 firearms
classified as assault-style weapons after legislation similar to the SAFE Act was passed in 2013.
A Hartford Courant columnist, citing industry analysts, has written that “the most conservative
estimates place the number of unregistered assault weapons at … perhaps as high as 350,000.”
In 1990, at the end of a yearlong window to register “military-style semiautomatic guns” in California,
only about 7,000 weapons (out of of an estimated 300,000) were registered. According to Guns.com,
California’s assault-weapon registry currently contains 145,253 rifles, pistols, and shotguns —
but as in New York, it is thought there are one million possible “assault weapons” in circulation.
A series of prohibitions — sparked by a 1989 schoolyard massacre in Stockton, California — has
expanded the list of weapons subject to bans or registration, but modifications to circumvent the
regulations have stayed one step ahead.
High-profile mass shootings have made assault weapons a target for lawmakers. But restrictive
policies have galvanized gun-rights advocates, who purchase the weapons in defiance while
pointing to the fact that there’s little proof that regulating assault weapons actually reduces gun
violence. A 2013 report by the National Institute of Justice, the research arm of the Justice
Department, concluded, “Since assault weapons are not a major contributor to U.S. gun homicide
and the existing stock of guns is large, an assault weapon ban is unlikely to have an impact on
gun violence.”
Post by: 6716J on July 21, 2022, 08:29:41 AM
"...Democrats are still shy of the 216 supporters required to steer the bill through the chamber, as a small number in their own caucus remain skeptical about both the legislation and diving further into gun safety just four months before an election. ..."
"...“This is a bill that destroyed the Democrats in ‘94. I guess, do we really have a death wish list as Democrats?” said Rep. Kurt Schrader (D-Ore.)..."
"...Party leaders are still looking to bring a bill led by Rep. David Cicilline (D-R.I.) to the floor as soon as next week — their likely last votes before the House leaves for its lengthy summer recess...."
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/19/house-democrats-gun-laws-00046675
Some of the morons in action showing their complete ignorance on how firearms and pieces actually work
https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/07/video-nadler-admits-assault-weapons-ban-intends-to-ban-common-use-guns/
Post by: Rhed on July 22, 2022, 03:18:29 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 24, 2022, 06:37:39 PM
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Post by: Bota-CS1 on July 24, 2022, 07:38:15 PM
Based on how far these asshats are willing to go, ignore the Supreme Court, and have immense amounts of disdain for us "little people", it won't be time to bury them, it'll be time to use them if this goes to Bidets desk.
If you think that he wouldn't use the military to go after us, you're wrong. They've been purging the military of patriotic people since Clinton and it went into overdrive with O and now Bidet.
Now I will admit, it will be a little tough to collect them seeing how there are roughly 20 million of them (assault rifles) and about 400 million firearms in the public sector. Plus side for them, in communist states like Hawaii, California, Nueva York with registration, they'll have the cops and Natural Guard just SWAT us. Cons for them, Nevada, Idaho, Texas, etc.... all bets are off. And lots of those folk have no problem putting small holes in big targets.
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I think it’s got a 50/50 chance of passing the senate since 17 Republican senators signed on to the most recent gun control bill.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 24, 2022, 08:59:32 PM
Nadler's reply: "“That’s the point of the bill."
“So, to clarify, Mr. Chairman, you’re saying it is the point of the bill to ban weapons that are in common use in the United States today,” the Republican representative pressed.
“Yes,” Nadler clarified. “The problem is that they’re in common use.”
Anyone paying attention the last few years to the gun debate and court rulings understands that the Heller case ruled that banning weapons that are in common use in the US is unconstitutional.
Never correct your opponent when they are destroying their own agenda.
The people who keep electing Nadler must be very proud. :crazy: :rofl:
https://dailycaller.com/2022/07/20/jerry-nadler-gun-bill-common-use/
https://youtu.be/M3LTPRVyVFU
Post by: hvybarrels on July 25, 2022, 01:53:28 AM
Hey New York...hope you guys like lots of taxation theft, violent criminals and illegal immigrants.
Post by: 6716J on July 25, 2022, 08:03:32 AM
Nadler screwed the pooch in the Assault Weapons Ban hearing when a Republican North Carolina Rep. Dan Bishop asked, "Would anyone on the other side dispute that this bill would ban weapons that are in common use in the United States today?"
Nadler's reply: "“That’s the point of the bill."
“So, to clarify, Mr. Chairman, you’re saying it is the point of the bill to ban weapons that are in common use in the United States today,” the Republican representative pressed.
“Yes,” Nadler clarified. “The problem is that they’re in common use.”
Anyone paying attention the last few years to the gun debate and court rulings understands that the Heller case ruled that banning weapons that are in common use in the US is unconstitutional.
Never correct your opponent when they are destroying their own agenda.
The people who keep electing Nadler must be very proud. :crazy: :rofl:
SNIP
The problem comes that they don't care about the Constitution at all. With the exception of it being in their favor or perceived favor. Lots of political gymnastics to make it all good for them.
If they end up passing this abomination of a law, they really won't care as it will be law until it gets to the Supreme Court and struck down. How long does that take? 2 years, 5 years, 10 years? After seeing what Bidet has done in 18 months, what can they do in 2 years?
They WILL use the military, natural guard and cops to take them. If you think otherwise, you're foolish, naive, or both. Just remember Hurricane Katrina. Now, I do know lots of folks after seeing the Katrina shit will just shoot the military peeps and be damned about it.
So if it does pass, I'd say we all have a big Ahi fishing tournament.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 25, 2022, 09:13:44 AM
The problem comes that they don't care about the Constitution at all. With the exception of it being in their favor or perceived favor. Lots of political gymnastics to make it all good for them.
If they end up passing this abomination of a law, they really won't care as it will be law until it gets to the Supreme Court and struck down. How long does that take? 2 years, 5 years, 10 years? After seeing what Bidet has done in 18 months, what can they do in 2 years?
They WILL use the military, natural guard and cops to take them. If you think otherwise, you're foolish, naive, or both. Just remember Hurricane Katrina. Now, I do know lots of folks after seeing the Katrina shit will just shoot the military peeps and be damned about it.
So if it does pass, I'd say we all have a big Ahi fishing tournament.
#1 - I highly doubt the Senate will pass this ban. But, I've been wrong before.
#2 - The case doesn't have to see its way through the courts before an injunction is filed/granted. Given the exchange I posted about regarding "weapons in common use," all a judge has to do is form the opinion that the complainant will prevail in the case and issue a TRO/injunction against enforcing the law until the case is decided. That actually just happened in a Denver District Court, where they issued a TRO against enforcing mag limitations until the 9th gets around to revisiting it after the SCOTUS Bruen decision.
#3 - The bill is going to grandfather existing "assault weapons," so, NO, they are not going to use the military to take them. They understand that trying to take that many guns from almost as many gun owners would be foolish and too large a task for the government.
Unless the Congress passes another bill that repeals the grandfathered status of existing AW's. confiscation isn't happening in the foreseeable future.
Post by: 6716J on July 25, 2022, 10:01:14 AM
#1 - I highly doubt the Senate will pass this ban. But, I've been wrong before. #MeToo and get enough dark money behind them and they'll pass anything
#2 - The case doesn't have to see its way through the courts before an injunction is filed/granted. Given the exchange I posted about regarding "weapons in common use," all a judge has to do is form the opinion that the complainant will prevail in the case and issue a TRO/injunction against enforcing the law until the case is decided. That actually just happened in a Denver District Court, where they issued a TRO against enforcing mag limitations until the 9th gets around to revisiting it after the SCOTUS Bruen decision. One could only hope it would go that way if it passes
#3 - The bill is going to grandfather existing "assault weapons," so, NO, they are not going to use the military to take them. They understand that trying to take that many guns from almost as many gun owners would be foolish and too large a task for the government. Nobody ever said government is smart. Look at the idiots describing and demonstrating gun parts... Since when does a dictatorial type government like California, Hawaii, New Jersey, etc actually care about laws and the people?
Unless the Congress passes another bill that repeals the grandfathered status of existing AW's. confiscation isn't happening in the foreseeable future. See Hawaii's "Ghost Gun" laws and subsequent elimination of grandfathering
Further research shows that while plaintiffs sue the state and win, the State will just pass another law that makes what the courts deemed illegal, legal. See Hawaii in-person registration requirements
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 25, 2022, 12:12:41 PM
Further research shows that while plaintiffs sue the state and win, the State will just pass another law that makes what the courts deemed illegal, legal. See Hawaii in-person registration requirements
It's a process. Luckily, we are seeing positive results now thanks to Trump.
Imagine the nightmare had Hildabeast been able to nominate those justices and all those federal judges.
Post by: Rhed on July 25, 2022, 12:30:47 PM
https://youtu.be/4XjRh39pa9g
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 25, 2022, 02:14:02 PM
House will get a vote
They have to push it through to a vote quickly. If they don't get a House vote this week, it can't be done before both chambers go on August recess.
If the House manages to pass it by Friday, the Senate will be in session all next week before going on recess, too.
Once they come back from a long break, the midterms will be close at hand, and the momentum to pass this bill will have lost steam.
I'm hoping they bust their asses, pass the House bill, then have the Senate not even vote on it, because it's unconstitutional on its face.
Someone has to be the adult.
Post by: 6716J on July 25, 2022, 03:42:22 PM
House will get a vote
They have to push it through to a vote quickly. If they don't get a House vote this week, it can't be done before both chambers go on August recess.
If the House manages to pass it by Friday, the Senate will be in session all next week before going on recess, too.
Once they come back from a long break, the midterms will be close at hand, and the momentum to pass this bill will have lost steam.
I'm hoping they bust their asses, pass the House bill, then have the Senate not even vote on it, because it's unconstitutional on its face.
Someone has to be the adult. nobody there is an adult. All petulant children. Both sides
Vote on Wednesday 1:00PM Eastern
https://trackbill.com/bill/us-congress-house-bill-1808-assault-weapons-ban-of-2021/2067798/
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 25, 2022, 04:38:00 PM
They can start with themselves.......
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 26, 2022, 10:12:26 AM
Ed Case is listed among the 211 sponsors of the AWB.
Lazy Mazie "Dumb as a bag of hair" Hirono isn't mentioned.
So much for, "Shut up and stand up. Do the right thing." She can't even be bothered to sponsor a bill that you know Hawaii's leaders want desperately to pass.
Just, hmmmm.....
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 26, 2022, 12:17:16 PM
Hmmmm.
Ed Case is listed among the 211 sponsors of the AWB.
Lazy Mazie "Dumb as a bag of hair" Hirono isn't mentioned.
So much for, "Shut up and stand up. Do the right thing." She can't even be bothered to sponsor a bill that you know Hawaii's leaders want desperately to pass.
Just, hmmmm.....
Maybe she doesnt agree with it enough to co-sponsor. BRB choking on my lunch right now.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 26, 2022, 01:50:44 PM
Maybe she doesnt agree with it enough to co-sponsor. BRB choking on my lunch right now.
She has that effect on most people -- sarcastic comment that's totally outside the realm of reality notwithstanding.
Post by: Rhed on July 27, 2022, 06:38:21 AM
Post by: Rhed on July 27, 2022, 07:50:50 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 27, 2022, 11:26:24 AM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 27, 2022, 11:38:23 AM
Bill died
Sorry to hear that. I didn't even know Bill was sick.
:geekdanc: :thumbsup:
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 27, 2022, 11:45:46 AM
Sorry to hear that. I didn't even know Bill was sick.
:geekdanc: :thumbsup:
He wasn't sick, the 5 Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique was used on him.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 27, 2022, 11:51:26 AM
He wasn't sick, the 5 Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique was used on him.
Well, from what I read (and I don't trust anything I read on the Internet!), this AWB bill along with the Police Funding bill were tabled until after the August recess. That means they still have the option to bring a vote in the House in 6 weeks give or take.
I think waiting only diminishes the momentum they think they have. However, it does give them another issue or two to convince midterm voters they need to retain power in the House and Senate, else the GOP majority would quash the bills without a vote.
There's always a strategy when Dems appear to make a decision. Whichever way helps them maintain power will win out -- even if it's unconstitutional.
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 27, 2022, 11:55:25 AM
Well, from what I read (and I don't trust anything I read on the Internet!), this AWB bill along with the Police Funding bill were tabled until after the August recess. That means they still have the option to bring a vote in the House in 6 weeks give or take.
I think waiting only diminishes the momentum they think they have. However, it does give them another issue or two to convince midterm voters they need to retain power in the House and Senate, else the GOP majority would quash the bills without a vote.
There's always a strategy when Dems appear to make a decision. Whichever way helps them maintain power will win out -- even if it's unconstitutional.
Everyone keep their head on a swivel. You know how they get emotion to push bills thru.
Post by: 6716J on July 28, 2022, 10:01:25 AM
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Post by: Rhed on July 28, 2022, 03:50:01 PM
Post by: Rhed on July 29, 2022, 08:28:11 AM
Going on live
Post by: robtmc on July 29, 2022, 08:31:11 AM
Everyone keep their head on a swivel. You know how they get emotion to push bills thru.
Excellent chance the leftists will activate one of their stooges.
Only way they can keep the fake news media in a frenzy for them.
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 29, 2022, 08:37:31 AM
Post by: 6716J on July 29, 2022, 08:57:45 AM
202-225-2726
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Post by: QUIETShooter on July 29, 2022, 09:17:42 AM
Call Ed Case (or Kai Kahele) and tell him NO! I just did. We all need to in order to stop this shit.
202-225-2726
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I notified Ed Case. Told him it's unconstitutional. Wonder if he understands what that means. He took the oath to uphold the constitution but seems like his oath is full of shiite.
Post by: Bota-CS1 on July 29, 2022, 12:48:43 PM
Senate will take it up next. With 15 Republican senators having voted with the Dems on the last gun control bill, expect a very hard fight to keep this from getting passed.
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 29, 2022, 12:53:48 PM
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Post by: QUIETShooter on July 29, 2022, 01:52:32 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 29, 2022, 02:04:50 PM
will this start panic buying of AR's?
Any ban that includes grandfathering will cause a spike in transfers as people try to scoop up rifles to qualify for that exclusion.
There's usually a short window between the bill being passed and the President signing it into law. There should also be a specific date the grandfathering covers giving time for current owners to register weapons as "grandfathered." Without registration, there's no way to know if a privately-sold or -transferred gun was acquired pre-ban or not.
In either case, any spike will be short-lived. Once the deadline to register grandfathered weapons passes, the publicly advertised demand for ARs will drop to nothing in favor of the not-so-legal black market demand.
Post by: robtmc on July 29, 2022, 04:51:47 PM
They want to kick off a war, let them go for it.
Arizona is a sanctuary state.
One flight away from being untouchable.
Post by: hvybarrels on July 29, 2022, 08:53:37 PM
Post by: Bota-CS1 on July 29, 2022, 09:22:12 PM
https://youtu.be/q05qjn2AVHo (https://youtu.be/q05qjn2AVHo)
Our own reps won't listen to us, so I'm going to write those that may listen and whose support is critical in killing this bill.
(Here's the list of the 15 Republican Senators that voted FOR the last gun control bill)
Senator Mitch McConnell
Senator Roy Blunt
Senator Richard Burr
Senator Shelley Capito
Senator Bill Cassidy
Senator Susan Collins
Senator John Cornyn
Senator Joni Ernst
Senator Lindsay Graham
Senator Lisa Murkowski
Senator Rob Portman
Senator Mitt Romney
Senator Thom Tillis
Senator Pat Toomey
Senator Todd Young
Subject: HR1808 Crossover
Dear Senator,
I am writing as a concerned citizen residing outside of your area. I feel the matter important enough to reach out to you despite the fact you are not my direct representative. I have tried to get my own senators to listen to no avail on the matter. I am pleading with you to not let the rest of the country succumb to the evil that walks our streets with impunity and to preserve our Constitutionally protected 2nd Amendment right. I humbly ask that you not support HR 1808 when it arrives in the Senate. The Left continues to believe the falsehood that bans are panacea, you and I know they are not. Bans will only empower criminals to prey on the law abiding. As we saw in Illinois the other week, it takes bravery, courage, and the right tools to fight evil. Do not let the Democrats take away the tools we would use to protect our families and the preservation of life.
Post by: robtmc on July 30, 2022, 06:54:23 AM
They will come for everything eventually, just like they did in California. First they said, you could keep your grandfathered items. Then, they used the excuse that you didn't need those items at all so now you needed to register them or turn them in. This includes their famous magazine ban.Never forget that those laws produced nothing more than non-compliance, much the same as NY encountered with it's attempt to outlaw everything.
The idiots that did comply were fools. The state said they would not share that info with local police, but I know for a fact that local dispatchers all had "registered" owners pop up on their computers if that person's name was run for anything.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 30, 2022, 09:00:06 AM
Never forget that those laws produced nothing more than non-compliance, much the same as NY encountered with it's attempt to outlaw everything.
The idiots that did comply were fools. The state said they would not share that info with local police, but I know for a fact that local dispatchers all had "registered" owners pop up on their computers if that person's name was run for anything.
Yeah, I'm still a little suspicious of that "national firearm registry" that doesn't exist.
In NC, my sister was being a b**ch and called the cops because we were having an argument over her spending our mother's money. :wacko:
One of the 2 Cops that arrived asked me, "Where do you have your firearm?"
I asked point blank, "How would you know if I own firearms?"
He stammered a little and said, "Well, maybe your sister said you own guns when she called."
Seemed rather fishy then, and it's not gotten any better over the years. Somehow he KNEW I owned guns. They were all in Hawaii, so there's no reason my sister would have told the Cops I have a gun. Of course, she's bi-polar, so there's no telling what she told the dispatcher.
That incident proved to me that there's information about firearms owners being shared among state policing agencies. It would not surprise me to learn that Hawaii makes our registration info available to LE nationwide. Once a government agency gets your info, they act like they own it.
Post by: groveler on July 30, 2022, 09:09:07 AM
Never forget that those laws produced nothing more than non-compliance, much the same as NY encountered with it's attempt to outlaw everything.I'm sure this is no longer true, but one of the game wardens I knew( I worked with his brother) told me the registered guns were listed on a Rolodex and the lady that maintained the "file"
The idiots that did comply were fools. The state said they would not share that info with local police, but I know for a fact that local dispatchers all had "registered" owners pop up on their computers if that person's name was run for anything.
did not work weekends. The only time you can hunt on public lands on the BI, is on weekends.
It sounded so "Hawaiian" I believed that to be true. Probably still is.
:shaka:
Post by: groveler on July 30, 2022, 09:23:47 AM
Yeah, I'm still a little suspicious of that "national firearm registry" that doesn't exist.My sister carries a 357 Magnum in her purse and her husband is retired USMC, he was among other things
In NC, my sister was being a b**ch and called the cops because we were having an argument over her spending our mother's money. :wacko:
One of the 2 Cops that arrived asked me, "Where do you have your firearm?"
I asked point blank, "How would you know if I own firearms?"
He stammered a little and said, "Well, maybe your sister said you own guns when she called."
Seemed rather fishy then, and it's not gotten any better over the years. Somehow he KNEW I owned guns. They were all in Hawaii, so there's no reason my sister would have told the Cops I have a gun. Of course, she's bi-polar, so there's no telling what she told the dispatcher.
That incident proved to me that there's information about firearms owners being shared among state policing agencies. It would not surprise me to learn that Hawaii makes our registration info available to LE nationwide. Once a government agency gets your info, they act like they own it.
a firearms instructor. I try not to argue with my sister very much.
:wave:
Post by: Rhed on August 08, 2022, 10:32:51 AM
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 27, 2022, 02:53:45 PM
From Twitter (go watch the video):
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Biden: "What in God's name do you need an assault weapon for? It's an assaulthttps://tinyurl.com/ysz97dpa
weapon designed to kill people, to defend America, to defend people."
This is the textbook definition of "cognitive dissonance" ... the "holding of two opposing ideas in your mind at the same time."
"During cognitive dissonance it is common for people to experience mental stress or
discomfort as they process new information that conflicts with existing beliefs, ideas,
or values. "
Joe knows what he's saying, but he's too far gone -- after lying for 50 years in politics and his obvious mental decline -- to recognize his own hypocrisy.
He sure was excited about killing Bin Laden. I guess using a weapon to "kill people" isn't always a bad thing.
Post by: QUIETShooter on September 27, 2022, 03:05:39 PM
He's been bullsh*tting for decades. I bet he owns AR-15's and Glocks with 15,17,and 30 rd. mags.