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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: microage97 on November 01, 2012, 03:02:43 AM
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What are the knife laws in HI? Seems there are a lot of stabings island side.
Dave
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If I'm not mistake it was 3.5 or 4" for folding. Cannot carry non folding. No tasers, slap sticks, batons welcome to Hawaii where victims cannot be ready to defended themselves.
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3-4 folder should get the job done, but I want to carry my Kabar with my slippahs on and a tank top and shorts. :-) Thanks for the heads up!
Dave
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I'm pretty sure you can carry any length fixed blade as long as its not concealed.
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also no butterfly or assisted/switchblade
aloha
steve
I'm pretty sure you can carry any length fixed blade as long as its not concealed.
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See
134-51 Deadly weapons; prohibitions; penalty
134-52 Switchblade knives; prohibitions; penalty
134-53 Butterfly knives; prohibitions; penalty
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/ (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/HRS_0134-0053.htm)
There are no length requirements. Only those items listed in the above and " "Other deadly or dangerous weapon" is limited to instruments whose sole design and purpose is to inflict bodily injury or death" are illigal. So you could walk around with a machede if you wanted
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I'm pretty sure you can carry any length fixed blade as long as its not concealed.
so could I carry a samurai sword on my back? Just wondering
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Ticks me off no end that I can carry a loaded handgun of my choice around but not a switchblade.
Meks no cents ay-tall.
I think we can blame the movies "The Blackbard Jungle" and "West Side Story" for the stupid knife laws we have all over the country.
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Interesting that there's so many knifings (if that's really the case, per the OP) in HI, even with the laws. Goes to show you that if weapon A is banned, even for defensive purposes, folks will default to Weapon B. So what good are the laws in the first place?
Crap, even kittens are allowed to have claws for defense. See? Concealed weapons:
(http://schend.net/images/funny/angry_kitten.jpg)
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Terry, 230RN
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Ticks me off no end that I can carry a loaded handgun of my choice around but not a switchblade.
Meks no cents ay-tall.
I think we can blame the movies "The Blackbard Jungle" and "West Side Story" for the stupid knife laws we have all over the country.
<snarl!>
Interesting that there's so many knifings (if that's really the case, per the OP) in HI, even with the laws. Goes to show you that if weapon A is banned, even for defensive purposes, folks will default to Weapon B. So what good are the laws in the first place?
Crap, even kittens are allowed to have claws for defense. See? Concealed weapons:
(http://schend.net/images/funny/angry_kitten.jpg)
<hisss!>
Terry, 230RN
I like how you edited to add the pic so we could better understand your point lol
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You can carry any knife, of any length, as long as it is not a dirk (made for stabbing), dagger ( double edged), butterfly knife, or switchblade ( some assisted knifes fall under switchblade).
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I would recommend carrying a dive knife. However, "knives generally" are not dangerous nor deadly weapons per the Hawaii Supreme Court. Concealability does not matter.
The police once arrested a prior convicted criminal, whom they knew was armed. This man had a concealed knife, and they tried to charge him for concealing a dangerous and deadly weapon. The conviction was dismissed and the above "knives" generally, and dive knife statements resulted.
*** This post is not legal advice, please contact an attorney prior to carrying any tools or weapons ***
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Any person, not authorized by law, who carries concealed upon the person's self or within any vehicle used or occupied by the person or who is found armed with any dirk, dagger, blackjack, slug shot, billy, metal knuckles, pistol, or other deadly or dangerous weapon shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and may be immediately arrested without warrant by any sheriff, police officer, or other officer or person.
I think all knives would fall into the "or other deadly or dangerous weapon". Thoughts? It would only take one @hole officer to ruin your day, but then I would argue the concealment portion.
Dave
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What the heck is a slug shot??
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What the heck is a slug shot??
My guess would be something like a blackjack. A lead weighted (insert delivery method here). Gloves, sap, etc...
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What are the knife laws in HI? Seems there are a lot of stabings island side.
Dave
Friggen douchebag stabbed his grandma. FWIW I don't think there are more stabbings, it's just covered more/information gets out faster/easier.
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/176979091.html?id=176979091 (http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/176979091.html?id=176979091)
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Friggen douchebag stabbed his grandma. FWIW I don't think there are more stabbings, it's just covered more/information gets out faster/easier.
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/176979091.html?id=176979091 (http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/176979091.html?id=176979091)
Need to microstamp all knives, register them, only allow them in your kitchen, from your place of sojourn to knifemaker etc. Shall issue permits only given by HPD chief. Need to get a permit to acquire with a two week waiting period so you don't just stab someone immediately...you just think about it for awhile
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Any person, not authorized by law, who carries concealed upon the person's self or within any vehicle used or occupied by the person or who is found armed with any dirk, dagger, blackjack, slug shot, billy, metal knuckles, pistol, or other deadly or dangerous weapon shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and may be immediately arrested without warrant by any sheriff, police officer, or other officer or person.
I think all knives would fall into the "or other deadly or dangerous weapon". Thoughts? It would only take one @hole officer to ruin your day, but then I would argue the concealment portion.
Dave
As FT stated, the HI Supreme Court has found that "knives generally" do not constitute dangerous or deadly weapons. Unless there's something special about your knife that makes it especially scary, it's ok. (So you probably shouldn't carry the Jackhawk 9000 advertised by Ricky Bobby in Talladega Nights, for example.)
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As FT stated, the HI Supreme Court has found that "knives generally" do not constitute dangerous or deadly weapons. Unless there's something special about your knife that makes it especially scary, it's ok. (So you probably shouldn't carry the Jackhawk 9000 advertised by Ricky Bobby in Talladega Nights, for example.)
Probably best to find knives that are marketed as utility tools, utility blades or whatever. Something like a ka-bar or similar "combat" "Fighting knife" as marked on its packaging I would think is a bad idea to carry.
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I daily carry a custom made leather pouch with a leatherman holding a... 3" max blade, an opinel 3-1/4" folding single edge skinning knife, and a tactical flash light. Also a folding razor knife to cut boxes....
Am I breaking the law?
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an opinel 3-1/4" folding single edge skinning knife
yes, the law of cool... Opinels rule.
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... think all knives would fall into the "or other deadly or dangerous weapon". Thoughts? It would only take one @hole officer to ruin your day, but then I would argue the concealment portion.
As FT stated, the HI Supreme Court has found that "knives generally" do not constitute dangerous or deadly weapons. Unless there's something special about your knife that makes it especially scary, it's ok. (So you probably shouldn't carry the Jackhawk 9000 advertised by Ricky Bobby in Talladega Nights, for example.)
I daily carry a custom made leather pouch with a leatherman holding a... 3" max blade, an opinel 3-1/4" folding single edge skinning knife, and a tactical flash light. Also a folding razor knife to cut boxes....
Am I breaking the law?
Don'cha just love vaguely-worded laws, regs, and decisions which allow the authorities to nail you under vague and unpredictable circumstances?
Accusations are cheap. Defense is expensive.
I carry this around in order to cut my seat belt and break my car window in an emergency.
(http://www.bladeplay.com/imgs/new-arrivals/wild-tracker-fm-490.jpg)
Am I breaking the law?
Terry, 230RN
(Pic credit in properties --"Fantasy knife" from knifeplay.com displayed for educational purposes)
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Don'cha just love vaguely-worded laws, regs, and decisions which allow the authorities to nail you under vague and unpredictable circumstances?
Accusations are cheap. Defense is expensive.
I carry this around in order to cut my seat belt and break my car window in an emergency.
(http://www.bladeplay.com/imgs/new-arrivals/wild-tracker-fm-490.jpg)
Am I breaking the law?
Terry, 230RN
(Pic credit in properties --for educational purposes)
It looks scary :shake: you are going to go to jail lol.
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It's only scary because of the blood-red tassel. Otherwise, it would be OK.
Right?
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It's only scary because of the blood-red tassel. Otherwise, it would be OK.
Right?
The paracord wrap made me quiver :( :o
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Replace it with a pink tassel and it will be legal. :thumbsup:
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I daily carry a custom made leather pouch with a leatherman holding a... 3" max blade, an opinel 3-1/4" folding single edge skinning knife, and a tactical flash light. Also a folding razor knife to cut boxes....
Am I breaking the law?
HI's knife laws are fairly lenient. What you described is legal. That's not to say if you were involved in a defensive stabbing, you'd have an easy day in court. There's no such thing in the Aloha state.
A leatherman and a box cutter are considered tools because their intended design is a tool. The double edged, automatic, butterfly stuff, ect... is a no brainer. The questionables A Katana is a designed weapon- NO GO. A Marine Fighting Knife "KA-BAR"- Fighting is right in the name....
I carry Emerson Knives all the time. By description they're all perfectly legal. HOWEVER, if I ever had to defend myself with one, I'm sure the fact that CQC is in the name and Bad Intent being all over the Emerson website would come up in court. Will that stop me from carrying Mr. Emerson's very fine cutlery products? NOT ON YOUR LIFE!!!
But like someone before stated, if you are truly concerned, ask a lawyer.
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I'm pretty sure you can carry any length fixed blade as long as its not concealed.
from what i was told it was ^this^
doesn't matter what length, doesn't matter if it's fixed or folding as long as it's not concealed, not double edged, not automatic you're good to go.
EDIT: It can't be butterfly knife either.
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So at what length does a "knife" become a "sword?" Or is this another one of those regulatory (or statutory or by ordinance) vagaries that the authorities use when they feel like it or want to "pile on" charges for you to plea bargain on?
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Thanks Everyone!
Dave
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So at what length does a "knife" become a "sword?" Or is this another one of those regulatory (or statutory or by ordinance) vagaries that the authorities use when they feel like it or want to "pile on" charges for you to plea bargain on?
i never asked. I was told this buy a guy who's sister is a lawyer and he asked her about the laws of carrying a knife because at the time, i always thought it was 3.5" blade or under. I don't plan on ever carrying a large knife anyway (unless there was an island wide/global event that would cause local and federal laws to not really apply anymore). So i never bothered asking.
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Are the knife laws different from state land to federal land?
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Are the knife laws different from state land to federal land?
Not here.
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Not here.
Thanks
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For what its worth,
A friend of mine went to jail for partying a little too close to someone else's beach on Oahu. Can't remember which beach but it was a military base nearby.
He had a japanese tanto knife in his back seat and a fire cracker from the 4th of July on the floor. He's also part Hawaiian.
We was arrested and convicted for having an "assault weapon" and an "explosive" under anti-terrorism definitions. He couldn't afford a better lawyer than the state appointed for him so he was a "customer" for many years.
Moral of the story is to be careful. This isn't a state that takes kindly to armed citizens. If you're going to make a habit of having a knife larger than a pocket knife I'd print out and carry a small copy of the law so you can enlighten the officer who thinks you are breaking it. I do the same for the lock picks that I carry. Many LEOs are not overly familiar with the details of the laws they enforce, especially if it is something they don't run into all that often.
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What's the law on lock picks?
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Dboy: In Hawaii is is illegal to carry IF you commit a crime with them or intend to commit a crime with them. Otherwise they are perfectly legal.
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Dboy: In Hawaii is is illegal to carry IF you commit a crime with them or intend to commit a crime with them. Otherwise they are perfectly legal.
Thanks! I carry some for work and never thought about the law side of it. its all legal purpose so I guess I'm good.
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For what its worth,
A friend of mine went to jail for partying a little too close to someone else's beach on Oahu. Can't remember which beach but it was a military base nearby.
He had a japanese tanto knife in his back seat and a fire cracker from the 4th of July on the floor. He's also part Hawaiian.
We was arrested and convicted for having an "assault weapon" and an "explosive" under anti-terrorism definitions. He couldn't afford a better lawyer than the state appointed for him so he was a "customer" for many years.
Moral of the story is to be careful. This isn't a state that takes kindly to armed citizens. If you're going to make a habit of having a knife larger than a pocket knife I'd print out and carry a small copy of the law so you can enlighten the officer who thinks you are breaking it. I do the same for the lock picks that I carry. Many LEOs are not overly familiar with the details of the laws they enforce, especially if it is something they don't run into all that often.
Ok well, first things first lol - that is not a knife. The Tanto is a short sword hah - which makes a world of difference. I am skeptical about the explosives thing though, unless his firecracker was like some suped up m-80.
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A short sword would be a wakizashi. This tanto had a 8" blade or so. A dull seppuku blade, at that. It actually belonged to his brother who had borrowed his car earlier to get the knife back from an ex-girlfriend, if I recall the story correctly. I know the brother well and he showed me a photo of the tanto. It was no sword.
Dangerous blade? Maybe. "Assault Weapon?" No.
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from what i was told it was ^this^
doesn't matter what length, doesn't matter if it's fixed or folding as long as it's not concealed, not double edged, not automatic you're good to go.
EDIT: It can't be butterfly knife either.
I'm guess this would apply to having one in your car too? Dang, I thought it HAD to be concealed.
Awesome thread!
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How about a fixed blade hunting knife? They look sometimes similar to a ka-bar except with a polished wood handle.
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A short sword would be a wakizashi. This tanto had a 8" blade or so. A dull seppuku blade, at that. It actually belonged to his brother who had borrowed his car earlier to get the knife back from an ex-girlfriend, if I recall the story correctly. I know the brother well and he showed me a photo of the tanto. It was no sword.
Dangerous blade? Maybe. "Assault Weapon?" No.
There is no assault weapon statute that would apply to this.
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I'm guess this would apply to having one in your car too? Dang, I thought it HAD to be concealed.
Awesome thread!
Nothing about concealed.
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As I said, Chris, he had a lawyer who just wanted to go home early. That's how the prosecutor pitched it to the jury and they bought it.
The only reason I mention the story is that if you are perceived as trouble maker then having a knife on you is a liability. If the police do not perceive you as a potential threat then having a knife, since it appears to be legal, is a non-issue.