2aHawaii
General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: ren on November 06, 2012, 06:35:33 PM
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Just saying... :(
I hope everybody is an NRA Life member.
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Tell me about it. What a bummer
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There is so much voter fraud it is ridiculous. Its not over. They gave obama the win in ohio with 2000 vote difference. Only 77% counted? Total bs.
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At least the OP was on topic :)
He better not try and re-enact the "assault weapons" ban.
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I guess it's time to stock up on stripped lowers. :(
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I guess it's time to stock up on stripped lowers. :(
I was thinking the same thing...but we won't know what laws will get passed and what will be banned.
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I'd like it if my vote actually counted in the presidential election, that's all.
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I'm buying a gun and a whole shitload of ammo tomorrow.
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I'd like it if my vote actually counted in the presidential election, that's all.
Yep I agree, CNN called Maize a winner even though our polls are still open
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I feel like barfing.
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Democrat or Republican, Hawaiis as irrelevant as Guam when it comes to the presidential election.
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Democrat or Republican, Hawaiis as irrelevant as Guam when it comes to the presidential election.
More like Micronesia
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I am moving to Colorado... Will make the next 4 years go by a little easier
:wacko:
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I'd like to move to Colorado. I visited there once. Really liked it.
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I am moving to Colorado... Will make the next 4 years go by a little easier
:wacko:
I'd like to move to Colorado. I visited there once. Really liked it.
The Rocky Mountain High just got a whole lot higher. On Tuesday night, Amendment 64 -- the measure which sought the legalization of marijuana for recreational use by adults -- was passed by Colorado voters, making Colorado the first state to end marijuana prohibition in the United States.
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f*%
how likely are these bans?
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The Rocky Mountain High just got a whole lot higher. On Tuesday night, Amendment 64 -- the measure which sought the legalization of marijuana for recreational use by adults -- was passed by Colorado voters, making Colorado the first state to end marijuana prohibition in the United States.
school kine brownies!!! :thumbsup:
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I just heard about it. I'm walking about Fort Shafter in a drunken daze. I might skip class tomorrow just to buy sone guns.
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The Rocky Mountain High just got a whole lot higher. On Tuesday night, Amendment 64 -- the measure which sought the legalization of marijuana for recreational use by adults -- was passed by Colorado voters, making Colorado the first state to end marijuana prohibition in the United States.
I predict a huge jump in tourism in the near future. Main vacation destination for the Jah lovers in HI.
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f*%
how likely are these bans?
I don't think it'll be easy. The NRA is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in the Nation. On top of that, I would think the President would have more pressing issues like the F'ed economy.
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Obama will sign an executive order banning all guns and future manufacturing & sales. This includes banning all ammo manufacturing & sales effective immediately.
then he will revoke the Constitution! and then SWHTF!
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I don't think it'll be easy. The NRA is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in the Nation. On top of that, I would think the President would have more pressing issues like the F'ed economy.
Just in case, I'm REALLY glad I bought those stripped lowers, but I wish it wasn't this way. If only Romney won and the lowers were worth $50 each. I'd still be happy that way.
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They're chanting "4 more years!!"
4 more years of what? What is so great about Obama or about what he has done, in a liberals eyes? Seriously, I want to know why they worship this guy.
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Just in case, I'm REALLY glad I bought those stripped lowers, but I wish it wasn't this way. If only Romney won and the lowers were worth $50 each. I'd still be happy that way.
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I feel you, I'm picking up my first AR as soon as Daniel tells me it's ready.
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Obama will sign an executive order banning all guns and future manufacturing & sales. This includes banning all ammo manufacturing & sales effective immediately.
then he will revoke the Constitution! and then SWHTF!
No. Thats just hysteria.
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They're chanting "4 more years!!"
4 more years of what? What is so great about Obama or about what he has done, in a liberals eyes? Seriously, I want to know why they worship this guy.
What has he done? I see nothing.
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I don't even have an AR yet :'(
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Jeezus let's tone down the fear-mongering about our guns. I mean, I know SALES SALES SALES but damn.
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Jeezus let's tone down the fear-mongering about our guns. I mean, I know SALES SALES SALES but damn.
been thinking about it for a few hours...and looking at Buds. Yeah, we are a paranoid bunch but gun shops gotta love us. I think I will hold off and not dive into the self-perceived panic buying. I have enough ARs and still some left over when I dual wield.
On another note, that commercial with Powell last night was powerful, no doubt.
Our country is losing its foundation.
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I think it's the "WHAT IF" factor thats killing everyone with the "Gun Ban" thing....
I'm pretty sure the neighbor that voted for Obama is gonna want us to protect them when the StuffHTF now..... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
The last thing that happened with the embassy thing and Obama doing nothing about it, should have been WAY MORE than enough for
people to realize that he has a different agenda than what his "loyal" voters think....
Obama is also ALL G with us Americans not procreating....in 2 different ways..... Man, it's so clear but people are blinded and distracted because of their "self pleasures"
..... Talk about the classic "WAG THE DOG".... give them what they want so they don't see me screw this country over..... :thumbsup:
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I am so disheartened! My son asked me "why do people vote for Obama?" My answer was that "he looks/sounds good on tv." Why else would they vote for him?
Seriously, no one in their "right" mind (pun intended) would vote for someone with Obama's record. UNBELIEVABLE! :-[
"The fairest way to gauge a man (or anything) is based on results. Often harsh, but always fair."
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been thinking about it for a few hours...and looking at Buds. Yeah, we are a paranoid bunch but gun shops gotta love us. I think I will hold off and not dive into the self-perceived panic buying. I have enough ARs and still some left over when I dual wield.
On another note, that commercial with Powell last night was powerful, no doubt.
Our country is losing its foundation.
Us guys at the gun shops wonder if we gonna have a job tomr. we worry about our families and futures. sucks
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Us guys at the gun shops wonder if we gonna have a job tomr. we worry about our families and futures. sucks
We all do, especially now that Obama is back in office. We love gun shops too, I have to stop myself for going! :D
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The CIA said that their response team was onsite at the Benghazi embassy in 25 minutes; the big story here is that FoxNews lies constantly and shamelessly. Oh, and Obama called the attack an "act of terror" in his first press conference; Rmoney got tripped up in the debate because he gets all his news from Fox.....
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be realistic people. obama is a crappy president, but nothing of the sort that would ban guns beyond MAYBE an assault weapons ban (not even close to likely) would ever pass because the republicans still hold the house, and the democrats wont get a two thirds advantage they need in the senate to pass through anything.
checks and balances DO work.
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The biggest problem will be the appointment of more liberal Supreme Court justices, IMHO.
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The biggest problem will be the appointment of more liberal Supreme Court justices, IMHO.
that's the far bigger issue.
Sotomayor is dangerous
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Obama has actually put together a fairly good administration in that it is fairly good at running the country with an uncommon degree of efficiency giving the ~shitty~ condition the economy is in. Whether you agree with his policies or not you really should look at the real numbers - and the real reasons behind said ~shitty~ economy. Obama (and Bush - or any other president except perhaps Nixon) doesn't have all that much to do with it. Not the root cause of it at any rate.
As far as increased gun control, I think we all need to be on our guard. Obama can't nullify the 2nd amendment with an executive order. He just can't, OK? Get that out of your head and deal with the real threats to gun ownership: incremental federal level bans like the ludicrous "assault weapons" ban. The supreme court is a HUGE issue, of course... but we don't really have any say in that.
I've maintained, and still do, that Obama himself is not overly anti-gun. He'll certainly sign it if it gets to his desk but its not an issue he is going to spend any political capital on to get it through congress. He has precious little political capital and the Republican controlled House is going to make him spend it all just getting the basics done and putting out fires.
Barring something horrible like martial law I think the 2nd amendment is relatively safe.
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The biggest problem will be the appointment of more liberal Supreme Court justices, IMHO.
Worst case scenario for the 2a. They don't have term limits, right?
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^^^^ Right. :/
In theory that makes them less likely to be political and just interpret the law without bias.
In practice it doesn't quite work out that way.
The liberals are all breathing a sigh of relief over Roe v. Wade for this very reason.
On the other hand, in order for this to make a difference several things have to happen:
1) An anti-gun law has to be passed.
2) It has to be challenged in Federal court.
3) It has to be appealed all the way up to the Supreme court
Our job is to keep step 1 from happening.
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What if prez obaffon signs a prez order to ban all guns?
He bypassed congress many times.
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What if he signs an order to suspend gravity? How 'bout he writes an order to disband congress and nominate himself Pope?
Executive orders give the President a frightening degree of power but not the power to simply ignore the constitution. Executive orders are generally used to define HOW an existing law is to be administered by the administration. It doesn't change laws and they can absolutely be challenged in Federal court.
And he hasn't bypassed congress at any point that I'm aware of. No more so than any of his predecessors since WWII, at any rate.
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(sigh)
Let me put it this way.
Pay attention to the Republican narrative in congress over the coming months. If it doesn't sound quite as much like "Obama is the root of all evil!" as it has for the last 4 years don't be surprised.
At this point congress needs to focus on RESULTS for the people and less on trying to shift the balance of power. The amount of bullshit spun about the other side of the aisle (from both sides) will hopefully diminish a bit. Pay attention to that and you might see that most of the bullshit spun in the last 4 years about bypassing congress, overreaching executive power, being a socialist, etc... is just bullshit.
Valid concerns and things to be watchful for but still bullshit.
Its just politics. That's how it works. The sad part is that we tend to believe the bullshit.
Obama cannot ban all guns with an executive order. That is simply bullshit.
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^^^^ Right. :/
In theory that makes them less likely to be political and just interpret the law without bias.
In practice it doesn't quite work out that way.
The liberals are all breathing a sigh of relief over Roe v. Wade for this very reason.
On the other hand, in order for this to make a difference several things have to happen:
1) An anti-gun law has to be passed.
2) It has to be challenged in Federal court.
3) It has to be appealed all the way up to the Supreme court
Our job is to keep step 1 from happening.
granted, it could also come into play should gun rights be brought up in a criminal case, such as the trayvon martin affair.
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I didn't vote for Obama 4 years ago, nor this time around. He won anyway...I'm over it and can let it go at that. Am I disappointed? Sure, but thats democracy in action. Nothing to worry about, in 4 years someone else will hold the office.
Keep in mind: Second term Presidents want to build their "legacy". Fixing the economy, ending the war, and PPACA (Obamacare) would be the most likey focus for the administration.
Obama will sign an executive order banning all guns and future manufacturing & sales. This includes banning all ammo manufacturing & sales effective immediately.
then he will revoke the Constitution! and then SWHTF!
It's one thing to make a statement then backing it up with some/any proof (from an impartial source), but that's rarely the case with most. Seriously, some of the things you write make me wonder if the cheese has slipped off your freakin' cracker. Executive Orders (regarding laws not policy issues) are only valid if based on law or the Constitution...It's not something a President just pulls outta his butt or does because he "feels like it". Also he does NOT have the power to revoke the Constitution.
There's a fine line between being a doomsayer and cuckoo for cocoa puffs crazy. SO...We should all be careful which side of that line we're on when writing things. I'd hate for this site to turn into something like the Stormfront (which coincidentally has a VERY similar thread).
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What if he signs an order to suspend gravity? How 'bout he writes an order to disband congress and nominate himself Pope?
Executive orders give the President a frightening degree of power but not the power to simply ignore the constitution. Executive orders are generally used to define HOW an existing law is to be administered by the administration. It doesn't change laws and they can absolutely be challenged in Federal court.
And he hasn't bypassed congress at any point that I'm aware of. No more so than any of his predecessors since WWII, at any rate.
He has...mostly to push domestic policy changes (finance, immigration, etc). Every President has in one way or another. List of Presidential Executive Orders (http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/disposition.html)
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What if prez obaffon signs a prez order to ban all guns?
He bypassed congress many times.
The AWB wasn't effective. Banning all guns? Logistically impossible and would still be ineffective.
What if he signs an order to suspend gravity?
I'd cash out my frequent flyer miles? Benchpress a super tanker? Date XXXL chicks? (Hey you asked)
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Im not surprised. This country is changed. No responsibility.. give us our free stuff, say stuff that makes us feel good and doesnt hurt our feeling, take from those who workn hard and profit and give to those who dont. Sad to say it, but I am very dissappointed.
Oh and for Oahu. PRP is your new plantation owners.
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I think its kinda trippy how people even considered Obama.... Its like theyre hypnotized by his "Charisma", like they cant see pass the smoke screen ... Like when the bug flew helplessly into the bug killer lamp thing in Bugs Life saying "I caaant heeeelllp it" :crazy:
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Used this turn of events as an excuse to get my first AK, and a Mega Billet lower. Tis the Season :D
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What if prez obaffon signs a prez order to ban all guns?
He bypassed congress many times.
Dont think he can bypass THE constitution. The biggest concern we have is who he appoints.
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The CIA said that their response team was onsite at the Benghazi embassy in 25 minutes; the big story here is that FoxNews lies constantly and shamelessly. Oh, and Obama called the attack an "act of terror" in his first press conference; Rmoney got tripped up in the debate because he gets all his news from Fox.....
Proof: Obama Refused to Call Benghazi 'Terror,' CBS Covered Up (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/11/05/Proof-Obama-Refused-to-Call-Benghazi-Terror-CBS-Covered-Up)
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No need for name calling
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Seriously, some of the things you write make me wonder if the cheese has slipped off your freakin' cracker.
colt808 started it :)
aloha
steve
No need for name calling
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I didn't vote for Obama 4 years ago, nor this time around. He won anyway...I'm over it and can let it go at that. Am I disappointed? Sure, but thats democracy in action. Nothing to worry about, in 4 years someone else will hold the office.
Keep in mind: Second term Presidents want to build their "legacy". Fixing the economy, ending the war, and PPACA (Obamacare) would be the most likey focus for the administration.
What if prez obaffon signs a prez order to ban all guns?
He bypassed congress many times.
It's one thing to make a statement then backing it up with some/any proof (from an impartial source), but that's rarely the case with most. Seriously, some of the things you write make me wonder if the cheese has slipped off your freakin' cracker. Executive Orders (regarding laws not policy issues) are only valid if based on law or the Constitution...It's not something a President just pulls outta his butt or does because he "feels like it". Also he does NOT have the power to revoke the Constitution.
There's a fine line between being a doomsayer and cuckoo for cocoa puffs crazy. SO...We should all be careful which side of that line we're on when writing things. I'd hate for this site to turn into something like the Stormfront (which coincidentally has a VERY similar thread).
its all about the Benjamins $$$
Puff Daddy ft. The Notorious B.I.G., The LOX & Lil' Kim - It's All About the Benjamins (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNTBb1u6UGg#)
We'll see which LGS jack up prices cuz of the election results.
There's already AR lowers for $700 - $900 on the EE at ar15.com >:(
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Seriously, some of the things you write make me wonder if the cheese has slipped off your freakin' cracker.
colt808 started it :)
aloha
steve
He was referring to me. I had a more forceful label for that link I posted, but 2a changed it so it's family friendly. That's why the admonishment on name-calling seems to come from nowhere.
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i saw it
if 2ahawaii wants to clean up your post, he should clean up colt808's too
i think we all have enough problems than to have to deal with problems on bulletin boards too :)
aloha
steve
He was referring to me. I had a more forceful label for that link I posted, but 2a changed it so it's family friendly. That's why the admonishment on name-calling seems to come from nowhere.
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I am moving to Colorado... Will make the next 4 years go by a little easier
:wacko:
Welcome, but since the state just legalized marijuana, we're going to be flooded with potheads from all over --with the attendant gimmegimme outlook. I know there are solid, substantial citizens who are recreational users of marijuana, and I voted to legalize it myself for "freedom" and "states' rights" considerations (and I don't use it, myself), but I expect that kind of "immigration."
Since we're the only state, as far as I know, which has legalized it, it might be an interesting experiment. Will the turf wars over pot decrease? Will pot violators be more "eligible" for early release and parole? Will tax revenues from marijuana sales help CO's budget? Will "regular" doctors prescribe it so you can use it as a medical expense deduction? Will the IRS have a fit if you do? Will we get little Jimmy out of the well?
I dunno. That's why it's interesting. Especially since Marshall McLuhan pointed out that COlorado and California are trend-setters as far as popular culture goes.
Terry, 230RN
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I think Washington just legalized it for rec use as well.
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Was at a LGS near the airport and overheard the salesman saying that Obummer can do an Exec Order on banning certain firearms :o
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Need to write your reps, do our best to gridlock all legislative action and ensure the democratic party's failure.
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You are all "A NAME" !!!!!!!!!!!!
See, I called all of you A NAME!!!! Get it?!?!?!?!?!? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Now I am going to wait for 2A to admonish me.
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Seriously though I know some of us (myself included) are very disappointed in the election results. It is not the end of the world but it does mean 4 more years of little to non performance like the first 4 years. The two most important items IMHO are going to be who he appoints to the Supreme Court and what he is going to do when faced with the Financial Cliff situation that seems to be coming. He (and all the democrats) seem to have ignored this.
I also felt the necessity to buy a couple of lowers just in case. I know the prices are going to up soon so I can either re-sell them for a profit or keep them and build a couple of nice AR's. Either way I WIN!!!!
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i saw it
if 2ahawaii wants to clean up your post, he should clean up colt808's too
i think we all have enough problems than to have to deal with problems on bulletin boards too :)
aloha
steve
And what exactly is there to clean up?
Most get the point of what I said. Being of "similar minds", we're all a little disappointed with the results of the election. But inciting panic by saying things that are baseless? That just paints us ALL with a big broad crazy brush.
Be disappointed, but we should save the chicken little "sky is falling" talk for FTF discussion. Remember, it's a public forum.
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Time to stock up on the C&R stuffs
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-win-u-backs-u-n-arms-treaty-193445288.html (http://news.yahoo.com/obama-win-u-backs-u-n-arms-treaty-193445288.html)
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http://youtu.be/dib2-HBsF08 (http://youtu.be/dib2-HBsF08)
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Just saying... :(
I hope everybody is an NRA Life member.
Signed up 4 friends and family today. :thumbsup:
Now we wait............. :shake:
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Nra had a promo going free for military , law enforcement and first responders
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Need to write your reps, do our best to gridlock all legislative action and ensure the democratic party's failure.
Really?
From what I understand that strategy hasn't paid off well for the conservative interests over the last 2 years. At least not in election wins across the board yesterday. I'm not saying its right or wrong just that it was a strategic decision that carried some consequences that republican strategists did not expect.
I understand the desire to keep bad stuff from happening but I'd really prefer that our various party leaders would work together to find real solutions instead of plot each others' demise.
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With so many trends in other areas in life the populous seem to be moving sharply towards the right, yet the election results move sharply left, one must feel like there is something smelling fishy in the kitchen.
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Really?
From what I understand that strategy hasn't paid off well for the conservative interests over the last 2 years. At least not in election wins across the board yesterday. I'm not saying its right or wrong just that it was a strategic decision that carried some consequences that republican strategists did not expect.
I understand the desire to keep bad stuff from happening but I'd really prefer that our various party leaders would work together to find real solutions instead of plot each others' demise.
I dont believe there is a civil way to fix the political division in this country. Were overdue for a reset.
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Well, he didn't seem to waste any time opening the door for the UN arms treaty:
http://www.examiner.com/article/the-day-after-u-n-moves-quickly-on-global-gun-control-debate?cid=db_articles (http://www.examiner.com/article/the-day-after-u-n-moves-quickly-on-global-gun-control-debate?cid=db_articles)
So much for "under the radar."
The way I understand it, if he signs it, it's effective until the Senate votes it down. Which may take a significant part of forever to bring to the floor. I hope I'm wrong. Tell me I'm wrong.
Please.
Terry, 230RN
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Terry, I'm in the unusual position of being delighted to tell you that you are wrong.
At least as i understand it. I looked at the UN treaty, poured over every word of it, and the issues surrounding it very carefully. There are several things wrong with the word on the street about the treaty:
1) It really does have zero affect on the internal affairs of the US and how it handles gun ownership. Current US law (FFL, NFA, background checks, etc.) already MORE than fulfill the small section of the treaty that has to do with internal regulation of firearms sales and ownership. It really is only about exports and accountability for selling arms and hardware to governments and regimes that use them to oppress their people.
2) UN treaties cannot supersede US law. We would have to repeal or redefine US law via due process in order to comply with a treaty that did conflict with US law.
3) Ahem. The US never ratified the treaty that declared that signed treaties are enforceable until brought to the floor for ratification. Oh, the irony.
The actual danger of the treaty is that it is likely to inspire a national conversation about gun control at the federal level. While the treaty itself doesn't mandate that the US do anything differently any conversation about gun control is an opportunity to pass new legislation about it. Including, in my mind, legislation that is PRO GUN. Pro gun activists may be missing an opportunity in politicizing this treaty so fiercely - and as far as I can tell, wrongly.
I don't trust the UN. I don't trust the US government, either. Both need to be watched and controlled - as do all governments. But this treaty is not, as far as I can tell, the gun banning backdoor to bypassing congress horror that it has been made out to be.
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Well, he didn't seem to waste any time opening the door for the UN arms treaty:
http://www.examiner.com/article/the-day-after-u-n-moves-quickly-on-global-gun-control-debate?cid=db_articles (http://www.examiner.com/article/the-day-after-u-n-moves-quickly-on-global-gun-control-debate?cid=db_articles)
So much for "under the radar."
I'm not surprised at this. I'd like to tell the UN where that can shove that treaty.
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Terry, I'm in the unusual position of being delighted to tell you that you are wrong.
At least as i understand it. I looked at the UN treaty, poured over every word of it, and the issues surrounding it very carefully. There are several things wrong with the word on the street about the treaty:
1) It really does have zero affect on the internal affairs of the US and how it handles gun ownership. Current US law (FFL, NFA, background checks, etc.) already MORE than fulfill the small section of the treaty that has to do with internal regulation of firearms sales and ownership. It really is only about exports and accountability for selling arms and hardware to governments and regimes that use them to oppress their people.
2) UN treaties cannot supersede US law. We would have to repeal or redefine US law via due process in order to comply with a treaty that did conflict with US law.
3) Ahem. The US never ratified the treaty that declared that signed treaties are enforceable until brought to the floor for ratification. Oh, the irony.
The actual danger of the treaty is that it is likely to inspire a national conversation about gun control at the federal level. While the treaty itself doesn't mandate that the US do anything differently any conversation about gun control is an opportunity to pass new legislation about it. Including, in my mind, legislation that is PRO GUN. Pro gun activists may be missing an opportunity in politicizing this treaty so fiercely - and as far as I can tell, wrongly.
I don't trust the UN. I don't trust the US government, either. Both need to be watched and controlled - as do all governments. But this treaty is not, as far as I can tell, the gun banning backdoor to bypassing congress horror that it has been made out to be.
yes, the only thing it will likely do is choke off a bit of supply of foreign ammo and guns, and drive prices a small bit. im not worried about it. i think people are just miffed about possibly having an international registry, and i understand, that's pretty ridiculous.
but it isnt a ban or restriction beyond that at all.
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The US govt. is the entity that makes it the biggest seller of arms, not us ordinary citizens right? The state dept. is the salesman for our arms and not just small arms. The UN should be mandating two week waiting periods and background checks for countries wanting to buy arms. Mandatory safety courses if they want handguns ;D gun locks, 10 rnd mag cap limit so genocide casualties would be less, due to reloading.
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So who wants to pitch in on renting one of those 3d printers?
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So who wants to pitch in on renting one of those 3d printers?
hahaha we have one one the way....
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So who wants to pitch in on renting one of those 3d printers?
print lower receivers the way the govt. prints money!!! :D
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So what is going to happen with.....
Solyndra scandal?
Fast and furious?
Bengazi?
Or is all this forgotten? Forward!.........to the cliff!
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Obama open mic slip: 'After my election I have more flexibility' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFR8DbSRQE#)
more flexibility to do what?
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So what is going to happen with.....
Solyndra scandal?
Fast and furious?
Bengazi?
Or is all this forgotten? Forward!.........to the cliff!
Those clearly don't matter. Forty years ago Richard Nixon resigned the Presidency to avoid impeachment for less. Twenty years ago Bill Clinton survived impeachment for less. Today, not only to we not impeach a guy for getting Americans killed, we re-elect him for four more years of the same!
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Those clearly don't matter. Forty years ago Richard Nixon resigned the Presidency to avoid impeachment for less. Twenty years ago Bill Clinton survived impeachment for less. Today, not only to we not impeach a guy for getting Americans killed, we re-elect him for four more years of the same!
Our country is on the decline no doubt, the decline is probably immeasurable by our society or probably don't care.
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this:
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTvfYx_7yqg1MfRQbZZwkis296E2McUoVqlEBLMimY2M7KUk8K_-w)
Yeah, looks like he'll be able to give Putin exactly what he wants from that position...
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(http://woody.typepad.com/files/obama_girl_lego_socialism.jpg)
Kennedy :"Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country"
Obama: Ask what your country can do for you - not what you can do for your country
Generation Entitlement. Given not earned.
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(http://woody.typepad.com/files/obama_girl_lego_socialism.jpg)
Nailed it!
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Obamas voting base stronghold.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=o64Fz-KW1Dk&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Do64Fz-KW1Dk (http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=o64Fz-KW1Dk&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Do64Fz-KW1Dk)
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http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=o64Fz-KW1Dk&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Do64Fz-KW1Dk (http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=o64Fz-KW1Dk&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Do64Fz-KW1Dk)
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Where our debt came from since 2001:
Where Did the Debt Come From? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcvLHHMC4iI#ws)
It does include entitlement spending under Obama.
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Another one of my favorites - GDP growth mapped on to our tax rates for the wealthy.
(http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/business/assets_c/2012/09/Screen%20Shot%202012-09-16%20at%2011.15.58%20AM-thumb-340x466-98936.png)
Causal? No way to tell since tax rates aren't the only things that change, of course. Informative? Yes, because cutting taxes on the rich did not magically lift us out of a recession that was not as bad as the one we are struggling with now. That image comes from an interesting article:
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/09/tax-cuts-dont-lead-to-economic-growth-a-new-65-year-study-finds/262438/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/09/tax-cuts-dont-lead-to-economic-growth-a-new-65-year-study-finds/262438/)
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So who wants to pitch in on renting one of those 3d printers?
What's the deal with these? Saw something a couple weeks ago about them but didn't look into it.
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Where our debt came from since 2001:
Where Did the Debt Come From? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcvLHHMC4iI#ws)
It does include entitlement spending under Obama.
First post here. And likely last. Partial venting going on here as well. I expect good argument, as my post will most likely be considered controversial. But don't expect me to respond. I've already banned myself. Warning. TL;DR
Obama, for all intents and purposes, spent very little. The overhang of the Bush budget tarnished his reputation and pretty much labeled him as fiscally irresponsible. But in defense of what I feel is fiscal responsibility, Obama made the conscious decision to reappoint Ben Bernanke, as a "reach across the isle" move. Remember, it was Bush who chose the Bernanke. That said, IMO the economic policy of the current administration is deplorable. The QE2 & 3 initiatives, along with Twist (1 & 2) have created a manipulated market, where growth seems defined by government intervention instead of a healthy market where consumption (supply and demand) dictates how the market moves.
We have an economy where liquidity is injected into the market via Fed policy and credit markets are manipulated to obtain desirable rates. All the while enabling individuals to borrow when normally they wouldn't be able to. Know anybody refinancing? Thank the Fed. Nothing wrong with that as most people will be able to lock in a low rate. That's the point of Twist. The hopes is that people will refinance their mortgages and have money "left over" to spend on consumption and/or invest. The problem for me is in the way these low rates were obtained. Currently, thanks to QE3, we have the Fed purchasing $40B of MBS until they see fit. How is all of this paid for? Through the issuance of Treasury Bonds, right? Who's buying? Funny thing is, due to Twist, the Fed owns the majority of all long term paper and do most of the buying themselves by selling short term paper. What happens when the Fed sells out of short term paper? What happens when the Fed can no longer purchase long term paper because they own it all? Why is it that this time around, they decide to start purchasing toxic debt (MBS) instead of another round of LSAP? Maybe because their powder is running dry. They run the risk of a failed auction. When that occurs we have a technical default. Thanks, Ben, for genuinely taking the time to think this through.
Sure, you can blame Bush all you want, as this video does. In reality, you can rightfully place a large portion of blame on his administration. But why exacerbate the problem by "fixing" horrible economic policy with more horrible economic policy? Everything that was campaigned on in this recent election; domestic policy and international/foreign policy. Nothing matters when your economy is in the tank. The United States has enjoyed many years of prosperity due to the strength of our currency and it's status throughout the world. The last thing we need is a loss of confidence due to our current economic situation. Just look at the decline of the petrodollar as an example. It's starting to mean nothing to many countries. I thought the sanctions on Iran were supposed to be working? But when Iran bypasses those sanctions by trading oil for gold, the global reserve currency no longer holds the strength it once so confidently held.
Keep arguing that it's all Bush's fault and cutting taxes on the rich doesn't help the economy because you're right, to an extent. But none of that helps the economy. Taxing the rich to death doesn't help either. Consider that the debt responsibility per every individual in the US is over $50k. And that would be to break even. Thanks to the wonderful economic policies of the current and past administrations, the United States has finally dug a hole that we can't get out of. The only way to dig us out of the mess we're in is to severely piss a large portion of the US population off. Big time. Imagine what would happen if a large portion of welfare recipients learned that they were getting cut off. Civil unrest like you wouldn't believe it. Do you think any president or congressional leader would put their own ass on the line and propose such a thing? Look what happened to Ron Paul. No one wants to end up like him. Everyone wants to save their own ass and ride off into the sunset.
It's not this guy's fault, or that guy's fault. It's our fault. We're the ones who put those people into office in the first place. And we're the ones who keep re-electing them. The next time you want to blame someone, think about that fact.
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Roadster, you might want to read some of my other posts. :) Blame rarely lives in them.
While I don't disagree with most of your post, I'm still trying to figure out how pissing off a large part of the US population is going to get us out of this mess. Other than perhaps making the mess seem less relevant by creating a larger mess.
I only partially agree with the summary that we are at fault because we keep electing these guys into office. While true... what other choices are there when it comes to the scale of problem you are focusing on here? Fiat Currency isn't going to go away neatly even if it is certain to go away eventually.
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Awesome summary, Roadster!
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What's the deal with these? Saw something a couple weeks ago about them but didn't look into it.
Do a search for "distributed defense" or "wiki weapon".
Pretty curious how the printer will fuse the material to create a barrel and receiver so that it will be able to contain the explosion from shooting a bullet. Maybe start with a 22 caliber?
I'm pretty sure they are gonna be useful as you can create your own precision tools using a CAD design and the printer. Or maybe good for creating your own custom rifle stock and firearm accessories.
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Roadster, you might want to read some of my other posts. :) Blame rarely lives in them.
I wouldn't argue that. But these last three quite obviously point the finger at Bush and the "Rich" people.
While I don't disagree with most of your post, I'm still trying to figure out how pissing off a large part of the US population is going to get us out of this mess. Other than perhaps making the mess seem less relevant by creating a larger mess.
The point being that the biggest expenditure in our budget (or lack thereof) is Medicare/Medicaid, then Social Security, then Military spending. In order to get our spending under control, a restructuring of mandatory spending/entitlements needs to happen. I think we also need to take a good look at Military spending as well. But look what happened to Paul Ryan when he tried to present any semblance of reform to the general public? Malarky! Will another mess be created? Of course, as is the obvious result. But what happens is that the system is fixed from the top down. People will soon come to realize that they can't just keep holding their hands out to the government expecting it to get filled.
Am I advocating a total removal of these programs? Of course not. These programs exist for a reason. There are always people out there that genuinely need help. And that is what these programs are for. It's the abuse of these programs that ruin it for everyone. A good example would be family planning. It's a great program that assists women in finding an alternate solution toward birth control when their current situation may not allow them to positively bring a child into this world. Some women genuinely need this service. It's those women who abuse this service by using medicaid to fund an abortion all because they wanted a boy and inconveniently have a girl. Or vice versa. Now, my taxpayer dollars are going to fund an abortion because this woman isn't happy with the gender of their child, when it could have gone to a woman who genuinely needs it.
I only partially agree with the summary that we are at fault because we keep electing these guys into office. While true... what other choices are there when it comes to the scale of problem you are focusing on here? Fiat Currency isn't going to go away neatly even if it is certain to go away eventually.
Of course, but that's the problem. What makes you think the the DNC or RNC will actually allow a proper candidate to emerge? What's the saying? I voted for the least of the two evils. It's pathetic when that's how we explain our voting experience. Look what happened to Ron Paul. He had ideas that would steer this country back toward the right path. While not all his ideas were popular, especially his foreign policy, he had an excellent economic policy in mind. But the right couldn't wait to kick him out of the convention as soon as they had the chance. Look at his track record. He's a great example of a politician who is not easily swayed by lobbyists. They were scared of that. But were we given a chance to elect him? No. They couldn't wait to get him off the ticket. Even if he got on the ticket and was elected, how many people in Congress would actually work with him to pass any of his ideas? The sad reality is that more and more it seems that Washington is run by big money. The question remains, how do we fix THAT when the people who have the power to change it don't want it changed in the first place? I'm sad to say that I have difficulty recognizing the country we love to call, The United States of America.
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First post here. And likely last.
Then...
I wouldn't argue that. But these last three quite obviously point the finger at Bush and the "Rich" people.
The point being that the biggest expenditure in our budget (or lack thereof) is Medicare/Medicaid, then Social Security, then Military spending. In order to get our spending under control, a restructuring of mandatory spending/entitlements needs to happen. I think we also need to take a good look at Military spending as well. But look what happened to Paul Ryan when he tried to present any semblance of reform to the general public? Malarky! Will another mess be created? Of course, as is the obvious result. But what happens is that the system is fixed from the top down. People will soon come to realize that they can't just keep holding their hands out to the government expecting it to get filled.
Am I advocating a total removal of these programs? Of course not. These programs exist for a reason. There are always people out there that genuinely need help. And that is what these programs are for. It's the abuse of these programs that ruin it for everyone. A good example would be family planning. It's a great program that assists women in finding an alternate solution toward birth control when their current situation may not allow them to positively bring a child into this world. Some women genuinely need this service. It's those women who abuse this service by using medicaid to fund an abortion all because they wanted a boy and inconveniently have a girl. Or vice versa. Now, my taxpayer dollars are going to fund an abortion because this woman isn't happy with the gender of their child, when it could have gone to a woman who genuinely needs it.
Of course, but that's the problem. What makes you think the the DNC or RNC will actually allow a proper candidate to emerge? What's the saying? I voted for the least of the two evils. It's pathetic when that's how we explain our voting experience. Look what happened to Ron Paul. He had ideas that would steer this country back toward the right path. While not all his ideas were popular, especially his foreign policy, he had an excellent economic policy in mind. But the right couldn't wait to kick him out of the convention as soon as they had the chance. Look at his track record. He's a great example of a politician who is not easily swayed by lobbyists. They were scared of that. But were we given a chance to elect him? No. They couldn't wait to get him off the ticket. Even if he got on the ticket and was elected, how many people in Congress would actually work with him to pass any of his ideas? The sad reality is that more and more it seems that Washington is run by big money. The question remains, how do we fix THAT when the people who have the power to change it don't want it changed in the first place? I'm sad to say that I have difficulty recognizing the country we love to call, The United States of America.
Liar
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Alright, I'm gonna close this one up and probably should have a while ago. Let's get back to talking about firearms and related areas. Thanks guys.