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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: vidar808 on November 06, 2012, 09:31:08 PM
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This just happened to me last night. I work as a painter and have been doing night work at a local car dealership in Nimitz. I was waiting for access to the building at about 9:00pm. I noticed a local man walking out of the dealership parking lot with a cart of our equipment. I grabbed my tactical flashlight and pepper spray and confronted the individual. The man very quickly became confrontational and threatening. I asked him to leave the equipment. He then pulled out a knife and ran at me. I pulled out my pepper spray and pointed the flashlight at him. He went back to the cart and kept going. As he kept walking away I called the police and kept following the man. He started down an unlit backstreet alley with no exits. He ran at me with the knife again threatening to kill me. I was reluctant to go down the alley as I don't know the area and didn't want to get cornered. I noticed a cop car come by and went over and told them what happened and where I saw him go. The cops couldn't find the guy or equipment.
I thought I would share the story, as I think it supports the case this site stands for. It would have been much more effective to confront the situation with a firearm rather than purely defensive weapons. Even a taser would have been more effective, unfortunately also not legal. I also don't think I would want to confront such an unstable person in some sort of knife fight.
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Scary story vidar808, I'm glad no one got hurt..
I know theres "authorities" that don't want us to have firearms so in due time it would be easier to contain us if needed..... whatevers
It's the anti gunnies that don't understand that a "bad guy with a gun gets stopped by a good guy with a gun" :-\
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When he went away after the first time that you pulled out your pepper spray and pointed your flashlight at him, you should have let him go and called the police whether you had a firearm or not. Avoiding a fight is better than being put in a position to have to shoot someone, IMHO.
You're lucky that he wasn't more aggressive. In the end, that fact that you're OK is the most important thing.
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This isn't Texas; you can't use deadly force to protect property. Sucks, but that's the law.
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Can't say I disagree with that law. Life is more important than property. Running at you with a knife was certainly life threatening, however. That's assault. Thank heavens you had the tac light and the pepper spray.
But its a shining example of how ineffective the police for is for stopping crimes in progress. Makes me wonder why tasers are illegal here. Would have had the same deterrent effect as the pepper spray and you might have stopped the criminal from leaving long enough for the police to arrive and actually, you know, do something about it.
Glad no one was hurt.
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The old wives tale is that some perv was going around Waikiki tazing hookers.
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This just happened to me last night. I work as a painter and have been doing night work at a local car dealership in Nimitz. I was waiting for access to the building at about 9:00pm. I noticed a local man walking out of the dealership parking lot with a cart of our equipment. I grabbed my tactical flashlight and pepper spray and confronted the individual. The man very quickly became confrontational and threatening. I asked him to leave the equipment. He then pulled out a knife and ran at me. I pulled out my pepper spray and pointed the flashlight at him. He went back to the cart and kept going. As he kept walking away I called the police and kept following the man. He started down an unlit backstreet alley with no exits. He ran at me with the knife again threatening to kill me. I was reluctant to go down the alley as I don't know the area and didn't want to get cornered. I noticed a cop car come by and went over and told them what happened and where I saw him go. The cops couldn't find the guy or equipment.
I thought I would share the story, as I think it supports the case this site stands for. It would have been much more effective to confront the situation with a firearm rather than purely defensive weapons. Even a taser would have been more effective, unfortunately also not legal. I also don't think I would want to confront such an unstable person in some sort of knife fight.
OK wait, the guy charges you twice with a knife and you never pepper spray him? You go down an alley with no exits and the LEO's can't find a bum with a shopping cart. BS meter is high on this.
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OK wait, the guy charges you twice with a knife and you never pepper spray him? You go down an alley with no exits and the LEO's can't find a bum with a shopping cart. BS meter is high on this.
+1
Sounds like a scene from Hollywood where Jackie Chan would scale walls etc.
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Not too many no exit streets in Nimitz area. Only one I can think of. Hmmmm......
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OK wait, the guy charges you twice with a knife and you never pepper spray him? You go down an alley with no exits and the LEO's can't find a bum with a shopping cart. BS meter is high on this.
Yeah, that is weird that he never sprayed him.
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OK wait, the guy charges you twice with a knife and you never pepper spray him? You go down an alley with no exits and the LEO's can't find a bum with a shopping cart. BS meter is high on this.
I backed off each time he ran at me. When I pulled out the pepper spray the first time he ran at me he stopped and went back to the cart. I was never closer than 10' from the guy. I was certainly prepared to use it, but wanted to let the cops deal with the situation at that point.
Not too many no exit streets in Nimitz area. Only one I can think of. Hmmmm......
I didn't say street. I said alley. See link to google maps location below. The area I am talking about is a long pathway between a fenced in area and the highway. If you continue down it it goes under the bridge. Many homeless in the area live under the bridges.
https://maps.google.com/?ll=21.3349,-157.897503&spn=0.002121,0.003484&t=h&layer=c&cbll=21.334911,-157.897598&panoid=Bi-Te1X9VCypJcwpB7PdhQ&cbp=12,355.58,,0,22.99&z=19
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^^^No alleys, but choke homeless under the overpasses and next to the airsoft and paintball field. Multiple shootings in that area man.
Pepper spray the mofo or don't even follow him.
If you want follow up go to Forums Hawaii and PM Kalihi Cop. He patrols that area at night.
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Our yard in Mapunpuna got broken into a few times in the past year....
I work on Sundays and once i was pulling in at the end of a work day and a guy was grabbing stuff outta the work vans...
He saw me and ran...
It sucked because it took me a long time to register what was happening...
He jumped over a wall entering into another companies work yard.... He had broke the windows of 2 work vans.....
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I didn't say street. I said alley. See link to google maps location below. The area I am talking about is a long pathway between a fenced in area and the highway. If you continue down it it goes under the bridge. Many homeless in the area live under the bridges.
https://maps.google.com/?ll=21.3349,-157.897503&spn=0.002121,0.003484&t=h&layer=c&cbll=21.334911,-157.897598&panoid=Bi-Te1X9VCypJcwpB7PdhQ&cbp=12,355.58,,0,22.99&z=19
Am familiar with the area and the car dealerships are on the other side of Nimitz which is why it sounded odd to me. This location is near Kilihau St which does dead end but the area you are refering to is next to the highway, not exactly where I thought you were.
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I was working at the Infiniti dealership on the mauka side.
It seems the consensus is, I should have doused him with pepper spray. I haven't faced similar circumstances much and didn't have any backup. At the time I just imagined that the pepper spray might have just enraged him.
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Good choice. Pepper spray has no effect on people under the influence of narcotics. You might of just pissed him off. You defending your property is not grounds for the use of deadly force.
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Can't say I disagree with that law. Life is more important than property. Running at you with a knife was certainly life threatening, however. That's assault. Thank heavens you had the tac light and the pepper spray.
But its a shining example of how ineffective the police for is for stopping crimes in progress. Makes me wonder why tasers are illegal here. Would have had the same deterrent effect as the pepper spray and you might have stopped the criminal from leaving long enough for the police to arrive and actually, you know, do something about it.
Glad no one was hurt.
I agree! Life is more important than anything, with that said the guy ran at you twice with a knife in hand that is a good reason to protect yourself. Ideally, getting away from the situation first would be best for you and court if any deadly force was used it may be easier to justify your decision. At times I would like to use a less lethal "tool" as a taser rather than deadly force but I would not hesitate on it if my life or families life was on the line.
Too bad the police didn't catch the guy because he will right back on the street doing the same thing to someone else.
Im glad the situation didn't escalate, just be aware of your surroundings.
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Can't say I disagree with that law. Life is more important than property. Running at you with a knife was certainly life threatening, however. That's assault. Thank heavens you had the tac light and the pepper spray.
But its a shining example of how ineffective the police for is for stopping crimes in progress. Makes me wonder why tasers are illegal here. Would have had the same deterrent effect as the pepper spray and you might have stopped the criminal from leaving long enough for the police to arrive and actually, you know, do something about it.
Glad no one was hurt.
I disagree with the law. One should never have to surrender their property to these scumbags. The law should read...If armed shoot the SOB trying to steal your stuff. knife or no. But the law as it sits one cannot do squat except keep on gettting raped by the cronics and scum out there. Sorry.
Good choice. Pepper spray has no effect on people under the influence of narcotics. You might of just pissed him off. You defending your property is not grounds for the use of deadly force.
^^this^^ pepper spray only as a very very last option. I've seen guys just get more violent when sprayed.
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Good choice. Pepper spray has no effect on people under the influence of narcotics. You might of just pissed him off. You defending your property is not grounds for the use of deadly force.
I disagree about not using the pepper spray. Something is better than nothing and if it's a fear for your life thing, then one should not even follow because pepper spray versus a knife is not a good tradeoff (for OP).
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The decision made has to be the right one for the person making the decision. Every action has consequences. In this case, he was obviously out gunned. Pepper spray is a chemical DETERRENT. The only thing lethal about it would be using the can as a bludgeon.
There are people out there that could've really messed up a thief with a knife using a tac light and some pepper.
Take close look next time. A lot of those bridge dwelling folks are carrying large knives.
So the question is, are you confident enough in your physical and mental training and daily preparation to take on a psyco with a knife?
I say good call at the time it was made.
You may or may not have gotten lucky.
I would start preparation for a possible next time.
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This just happened to me last night. I work as a painter and have been doing night work at a local car dealership in Nimitz. I was waiting for access to the building at about 9:00pm. I noticed a local man walking out of the dealership parking lot with a cart of our equipment. I grabbed my tactical flashlight and pepper spray and confronted the individual. The man very quickly became confrontational and threatening. I asked him to leave the equipment. He then pulled out a knife and ran at me. I pulled out my pepper spray and pointed the flashlight at him. He went back to the cart and kept going. As he kept walking away I called the police and kept following the man. He started down an unlit backstreet alley with no exits. He ran at me with the knife again threatening to kill me. I was reluctant to go down the alley as I don't know the area and didn't want to get cornered. I noticed a cop car come by and went over and told them what happened and where I saw him go. The cops couldn't find the guy or equipment.
I thought I would share the story, as I think it supports the case this site stands for. It would have been much more effective to confront the situation with a firearm rather than purely defensive weapons. Even a taser would have been more effective, unfortunately also not legal. I also don't think I would want to confront such an unstable person in some sort of knife fight.
Please allow us to offer some suggestions to this scenario... Obviously none of us were there... decisions have to be made in a split second.... We are not second guessing anyone...
At anytime someone is wielding a knife... this is a life or death situation...
If you have a "tactical light" and "pepper spray" You should engadge the flash option to blind your attacker and deploy the pepper spray with no questions asked... You have been threated and had to take action. Period. Spray and get away... (this guy should have been given a bath in pepperspray)
The main course of action is to get away from the scenario and not get hurt or killed. (Hawaii dosen't have CCW... another subject which we all know)
Regardless if the attacker is on any type of drugs or what not... Spray and get away! Pepper Spray and Mace is very effective on all types of individuals! A full spray of Wild Fire 18% spray should put down a gorilla. But if it doesn't, it will disorient them so you can get away. You are not the police... You do not have to subdue and arrest the criminal, you need to get away to safety and be able to report the crime.
A lot of opinions will be shared, but the bottom line is to survive to live another day.
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except keep on gettting raped by the cronics and scum out there.
You're seriously comparing having property stolen to getting raped? ::)
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You're seriously comparing having property stolen to getting raped? ::)
Yes I am. In both instances things are being stolen. Crime is crime.
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I backed off each time he ran at me. When I pulled out the pepper spray the first time he ran at me he stopped and went back to the cart. I was never closer than 10' from the guy. I was certainly prepared to use it, but wanted to let the cops deal with the situation at that point.
Remember the 21 foot rule
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Good choice. Pepper spray has no effect on people under the influence of narcotics. You might of just pissed him off. You defending your property is not grounds for the use of deadly force.
I never been pepper sprayed but I am a pretty big guy and love my hot sauce so if I was content on putting a hurt on someone I think I could fight off pepper spray (maybe)
-glad you didn't get hurt and the guy was not motivated on cutting you. Also, I think not using pepper spray may have saved your life since you were so close to the guy when he brandished the knife. Personally, I just call 911 especially if it's company equipment and not my own
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I never been pepper sprayed but I am a pretty big guy and love my hot sauce so if I was content on putting a hurt on someone I think I could fight off pepper spray (maybe)
Willing to test that theory?
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I never been pepper sprayed but I am a pretty big guy and love my hot sauce so if I was content on putting a hurt on someone I think I could fight off pepper spray (maybe)
-glad you didn't get hurt and the guy was not motivated on cutting you. Also, I think not using pepper spray may have saved your life since you were so close to the guy when he brandished the knife. Personally, I just call 911 especially if it's company equipment and not my own
Its not about how big you are its your pain tolerance. Pepper spray will lay the hurt on you. It feels like someone dousing your face in gas and lighting it. I was in so much pain I had to tell myself to breathe. The burning sensation lasted for a day.
Resistance is futile...you will comply ;)
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Willing to test that theory?
Its not about how big you are its your pain tolerance. Pepper spray will lay the hurt on you. It feels like someone dousing your face in gas and lighting it. I was in so much pain I had to tell myself to breathe. The burning sensation lasted for a day.
Resistance is futile...you will comply ;)
I found what I would look like if I got pepper sprayed. Enjoy!!
Navy guy cries when OCed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmJuMStuhC4#)
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I've been pepper sprayed, and, while it hurt, it wasn't incapacitating. Individual reactions vary, and it's possible to build up a resistance.
PS Not taking rape seriously is a big reason that the Republicans lost so badly last week.
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Both have penalties that are not servere enough to effectively discourage their execution, IMO.
Not sure why you are knocking republicans? ??? One dumbasses remark is not the veiw of many others.
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I found what I would look like if I got pepper sprayed. Enjoy!!
Navy guy cries when OCed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmJuMStuhC4#)
I laugh but empathize for the guy...both times sucked.
I posted this on the forum before, but here's me and my friend soaking in the AC after level 2 exposure.. It sucks like hell, but anyone with half a will to fight can fight through it.
OC, OC!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mYRvhu0_b4#)
If there's an AC unit nearby, you'll be able to open your eyes until it dries out enough, but for the most part, all Oleoresin Capsicum does is give a burning sensation and involuntarily shut the eyes of the person exposed. (Unless they're one of the few that isn't affected by OC, in which case, you're screwed.)
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I pepper sprayed a large spider one time and got a slight downwind of the spray.
Boy, I couldn't believe how bad it smelled just getting a whiff (couldn't breathe and had to move away). I don't want to imagine what it would be like getting sprayed in the face directly.
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http://youtu.be/N8IGDIujijQ (http://youtu.be/N8IGDIujijQ)
Tony Montana also built up a high tolerance for bullets... circa Scar Face... by ingesting a kilo of coke in one sitting... (great fricken movie btw, I'm gonna watch it again for the 20th time) :thumbsup:
We have all heard the story of the guy who can dump a can of mace into a ham sammich and eat it without making a flinch... :wtf: ... Thats the guy we don't want...
Bottom line is a good fresh pepper spray/mace will work 99% of the time and let you get away... to live another day! ;D
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I laugh but empathize for the guy...both times sucked.
I posted this on the forum before, but here's me and my friend soaking in the AC after level 2 exposure.. It sucks like hell, but anyone with half a will to fight can fight through it.
OC, OC!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mYRvhu0_b4#)
If there's an AC unit nearby, you'll be able to open your eyes until it dries out enough, but for the most part, all Oleoresin Capsicum does is give a burning sensation and involuntarily shut the eyes of the person exposed. (Unless they're one of the few that isn't affected by OC, in which case, you're screwed.)
Wow that is just totally nasty. gah.... thanks for sharing! :thumbsup:
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I pepper sprayed a large spider one time and got a slight downwind of the spray.
Boy, I couldn't believe how bad it smelled just getting a whiff (couldn't breathe and had to move away). I don't want to imagine what it would be like getting sprayed in the face directly.
It's REALLY bad if it gets up into your wind pipe, mouth, and/or sinuses. Catching more than a little downwind (like a cone/mist inhaled) would probably be a medical emergency. That would definitely hinder breathing.
Good God, I can't even imagine THAT pain.
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Remember the 21 foot rule
*warning graphic photos
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?client=mv-
google&layout=tablet&utcoffset=-600&v=ul8DhaZkDS0 (http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?client=mv-google&layout=tablet&utcoffset=-600&v=ul8DhaZkDS0)
I never been pepper sprayed but I am a pretty big guy and love my hot sauce so if I was content on putting a hurt on someone I think I could fight off pepper spray (maybe)
-glad you didn't get hurt and the guy was not motivated on cutting you. Also, I think not using pepper spray may have saved your life since you were so close to the guy when he brandished the knife. Personally, I just call 911 especially if it's company equipment and not my own
Sorry bro, not picking but I'm just not getting your comments, especially this... "I think not using pepper spray may have saved your life since you were so close to the guy when he brandished the knife." ??? ???
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It's REALLY bad if it gets up into your wind pipe, mouth, and/or sinuses. Catching more than a little downwind (like a cone/mist inhaled) would probably be a medical emergency. That would definitely hinder breathing.
Good God, I can't even imagine THAT pain.
Roger that!
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Sorry bro, not picking but I'm just not getting your comments, especially this... "I think not using pepper spray may have saved your life since you were so close to the guy when he brandished the knife." ??? ???
I think if he sprayed the guy and the guy could handle the pain or maybe did not get effected due to being high or otherwise it may have put him in a rage and close the 10 foot gap in a blink of an eye. The knife was obviously big enough to be identified so it was big enough to take a life. Just my opinion. He lived and was not injured to tell the story so I think he made the right choice in not spraying the guy. Less lethal force versus lethal force normally doesn't favor the first guy.
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I think if he sprayed the guy and the guy could handle the pain or maybe did not get effected due to being high or otherwise it may have put him in a rage and close the 10 foot gap in a blink of an eye. The knife was obviously big enough to be identified so it was big enough to take a life. Just my opinion. He lived and was not injured to tell the story so I think he made the right choice in not spraying the guy. Less lethal force versus lethal force normally doesn't favor the first guy.
One of the most important parts of training for Oleoresin Capsicum was that you MUST step away as soon as you spray your target. When they're blind, they'll head to the spot they saw you last, if they're a fighter. Pepper spray is to pull chocks and get the hell out of dodge with a better chance of the attacker not following. It's a decent defensive tool, but not a good idea for offensive use.