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General Topics => Political Discussion => Topic started by: ren on September 30, 2022, 12:11:27 PM
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https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2022/09/30/check-your-beach-bags-mauis-ban-non-mineral-sunscreens-go-into-effect/ (https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2022/09/30/check-your-beach-bags-mauis-ban-non-mineral-sunscreens-go-into-effect/)
Check your beach bags if you’re on Maui.
Starting Saturday, non-mineral sunscreens will be banned in the county.
The rule — which bans the sale, distribution and use of non-mineral sunscreens without a prescription — is designed to protect coral reefs and other marine life.
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Former Mayor Caldwell inspecting Beach goers for non mineral sunscreen.
(https://i.postimg.cc/t4jwZr8G/Mayor.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Former Mayor Caldwell inspecting Beach goers for non mineral sunscreen.
(https://i.postimg.cc/t4jwZr8G/Mayor.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
I would have told that mental midget to keep his snoot out of and his pecker beaters off my stuff. :shaka:
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https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2022/09/30/check-your-beach-bags-mauis-ban-non-mineral-sunscreens-go-into-effect/ (https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2022/09/30/check-your-beach-bags-mauis-ban-non-mineral-sunscreens-go-into-effect/)
Check your beach bags if you’re on Maui.
Starting Saturday, non-mineral sunscreens will be banned in the county.
The rule — which bans the sale, distribution and use of non-mineral sunscreens without a prescription — is designed to protect coral reefs and other marine life.
If mineral sunscreen can be shown to substantially harm reefs why is it a dumb law?
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If mineral sunscreen can be shown to substantially harm reefs why is it a dumb law?
Because it's unenforceable?
Is someone going to have equipment to test samples of the sunscreen you are wearing to see if it's legal? Lots of people lather up at home or in the hotel before leaving for the beach. Much better to do instead of when you have sand all over your hands.
What if someone lathers up in the parking lot? Gonna force them to march back and show the bottle? What if there are different bottles? Which one are they actually wearing?
Just making worse problems. If it's that big of an issue, have a shower requirement for all visitors to rinse off before entering, and then provide the "safe" lotion for them to slap on. Of course, that lotion should be included in the environmental fees you get charged when going to places like Hanauma Bay.
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I would have told that mental midget to keep his snoot out of and his pecker beaters off my stuff. :shaka:
Of COURSE he wears the face diaper.
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Former Mayor Caldwell inspecting Beach goers for non mineral sunscreen.
(https://i.postimg.cc/t4jwZr8G/Mayor.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
More like;
"Hi grandpa, are you lost? Hey Marcy can you call the police and ask if one of the retirement homes have reported one of their residents either lost or missing?"
"It's ok we will find your family. Just sit down here and we will find someone to take care of you."
:wacko:
BTW, show me the soyence.
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I used the mineral sunscreen for years because it creates an actual physical barrier and doesn’t wash off in the surf, plush the chemical stuff is carcinogenic
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I used the mineral sunscreen for years because it creates an actual physical barrier and doesn’t wash off in the surf, plush the chemical stuff is carcinogenic
Personally, for me and my own we all use the mineral based ourselves. We have been on the natural/organic train for years.
What i want to know is if the other types do actually do any damage to the reefs. As far as I have read all the soyence behind it is the same type they use for the re-branded climate change stuff.
PS, doesnt this guy have anything better to do?
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Personally, for me and my own we all use the mineral based ourselves. We have been on the natural/organic train for years.
What i want to know is if the other types do actually do any damage to the reefs. As far as I have read all the soyence behind it is the same type they use for the re-branded climate change stuff.
PS, doesnt this guy have anything better to do?
Sorry , details escape me right now, but I believe one of the reasons Hanauma bay started closing once a week was because of the amount of sunscreen in the water. Not the only reason, but it was a factor in the health of the reef. I don't recall them differentiating between types of sunscreen.
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I stay Pil-a-pino.
No need da kine
Neva burn
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Because it's unenforceable?
Is someone going to have equipment to test samples of the sunscreen you are wearing to see if it's legal? Lots of people lather up at home or in the hotel before leaving for the beach. Much better to do instead of when you have sand all over your hands.
What if someone lathers up in the parking lot? Gonna force them to march back and show the bottle? What if there are different bottles? Which one are they actually wearing?
Just making worse problems. If it's that big of an issue, have a shower requirement for all visitors to rinse off before entering, and then provide the "safe" lotion for them to slap on. Of course, that lotion should be included in the environmental fees you get charged when going to places like Hanauma Bay.
You are right that it would be very difficult to enforce the use part of the law but the sale and distribution would be pretty easy to enforce. Very few people are going to have it if local stores stop carrying it. You wouldn't get 100% compliance but it would almost certainly be significantly reduced.
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You are right that it would be very difficult to enforce the use part of the law but the sale and distribution would be pretty easy to enforce. Very few people are going to have it if local stores stop carrying it. You wouldn't get 100% compliance but it would almost certainly be significantly reduced.
Really?
How's that working out for fireworks? Next New Year's Eve,, take a look over Oahu and let me know how easy it is to control "sale and distribution" of illegal contraband.
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Really?
How's that working out for fireworks? Next New Year's Eve,, take a look over Oahu and let me know how easy it is to control "sale and distribution" of illegal contraband.
You really think there is going to be a big underground market for mineral sunscreen?
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You really think there is going to be a big underground market for mineral sunscreen?
You really think Hawaii is the only state that sells sunscreen? Not everyone traveling here waits to buy their sunscreen at the ABC stores.
If tourists want mineral sunscreen, there will be tour bus drivers, show ticket hawkers, t-shirt vendors and surfboard, snorkel and moped rental workers who'll know where they can get it.
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You really think Hawaii is the only state that sells sunscreen? Not everyone traveling here waits to buy their sunscreen at the ABC stores.
If tourists want mineral sunscreen, there will be tour bus drivers, show ticket hawkers, t-shirt vendors and surfboard, snorkel and moped rental workers who'll know where they can get it.
And how many selling would throw away their existing supply, just to buy the new ones? I don't see small operations doing this.
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And how many selling would throw away their existing supply, just to buy the new ones? I don't see small operations doing this.
Good point.
And, are the Cops going to spend state, city and county funds to conduct sunscreen sting operations? Will they be searching all incoming luggage at the airport for contraband Coppertone? If you manage to smuggle it in or find an illegal seller, are you going to worry about the beach patrol walking by with mineral-sunscreen-sniffing beagles like they do looking for agricultural products at the airport?
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And how many selling would throw away their existing supply, just to buy the new ones? I don't see small operations doing this.
Thats why laws like this often set the regulation to start years in the future. It gives them time to exhaust their supply and not suffer a loss.
The article doesn't say when this law was first passed though so gotta dig deeper if they did this or not.
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You really think Hawaii is the only state that sells sunscreen? Not everyone traveling here waits to buy their sunscreen at the ABC stores.
If tourists want mineral sunscreen, there will be tour bus drivers, show ticket hawkers, t-shirt vendors and surfboard, snorkel and moped rental workers who'll know where they can get it.
Like I said, the goal is not 100% compliance just a significant reduction. Of course some visitors will bring it in.
But if this is such a dumb rule, what is your proposal to reduce mineral sunscreen causing problems for our reefs?
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Like I said, the goal is not 100% compliance just a significant reduction. Of course some visitors will bring it in.
But if this is such a dumb rule, what is your proposal to reduce mineral sunscreen causing problems for our reefs?
It's really not that hard to find the facts. Took me 15 seconds.
The bill was signed in 2018, and it was to become effective Jan 1, 2021. Some articles state it's effective Dec 1 this year.
As for the purpose, it's like banning plastic straws. I can still buy plastic straws and have them shipped here -- cheap, too. Pure virtue signaling. Not much science or earnest effort to tackle the problem.
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It's really not that hard to find the facts. Took me 15 seconds.
The bill was signed in 2018, and it was to become effective Jan 1, 2021. Some articles state it's effective Dec 1 this year.
As for the purpose, it's like banning plastic straws. I can still buy plastic straws and have them shipped here -- cheap, too. Pure virtue signaling. Not much science or earnest effort to tackle the problem.
You didn't answer my question at all. What would you suggest to reduce the mineral sunscreen usage?
Sure, people can ship things in but how many people are really going to do that instead of just buying non-mineral sunscreen? Its not like we are talking about an addictive substance, or fireworks, we are talking about sunscreen. And it wouldn't even be that hard to stop online shipments, remember when that turd got all those mainland companies to stop shipping magazines to Hawaii and most of them complied? Could easily do that for sunscreen if they wanted.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/researchers-calling-for-a-deeper-look-into-the-real-life-effects-of-sunscreen/ar-AA12RKhT (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/researchers-calling-for-a-deeper-look-into-the-real-life-effects-of-sunscreen/ar-AA12RKhT)
However, sunscreens were not mentioned in the UH study released Tuesday. “Of course, we want to protect the environment, we want to protect our precious coral reefs,” said Dr. Kevin Cassel, associate professor of the UH Cancer Center. “But we also want to be mindful of the risk for skin cancers.”
Cassel and the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine are calling on the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to perform an environmental risk assessment on sunscreens.
The associate professor said most studies have been done in laboratory settings versus real world environments.
“We don’t know what reef safe sunscreens are,” said Cassel. “There’s no criteria, there’s no regulation, there’s no oversight.”
“The report says that all UV filters need to be examined for their effect in the aquatic setting.”
In my opinion, Maui rushed legislation to ban a certain product, creating a void for another product to fill. Gee, I wonder who owns these new sunscreen formulations?
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/researchers-calling-for-a-deeper-look-into-the-real-life-effects-of-sunscreen/ar-AA12RKhT (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/researchers-calling-for-a-deeper-look-into-the-real-life-effects-of-sunscreen/ar-AA12RKhT)
However, sunscreens were not mentioned in the UH study released Tuesday. “Of course, we want to protect the environment, we want to protect our precious coral reefs,” said Dr. Kevin Cassel, associate professor of the UH Cancer Center. “But we also want to be mindful of the risk for skin cancers.”
Cassel and the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine are calling on the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to perform an environmental risk assessment on sunscreens.
The associate professor said most studies have been done in laboratory settings versus real world environments.
“We don’t know what reef safe sunscreens are,” said Cassel. “There’s no criteria, there’s no regulation, there’s no oversight.”
“The report says that all UV filters need to be examined for their effect in the aquatic setting.”
In my opinion, Maui rushed legislation to ban a certain product, creating a void for another product to fill. Gee, I wonder who owns these new sunscreen formulations?
Maui's decision certainly seems stupid to me. Ban both mineral and non-mineral sunscreens just leaves beach goers with nothing to use.
After skin cancer I tend to wear a long sleeve shirt into the water which both is better at preventing a sun burn and requires less sunscreen so thats a win win either way.
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Maui's decision certainly seems stupid to me. Ban both mineral and non-mineral sunscreens just leaves beach goers with nothing to use.
After skin cancer I tend to wear a long sleeve shirt into the water which both is better at preventing a sun burn and requires less sunscreen so thats a win win either way.
You should watch their counsels YT on their Taser ordinance.