Post by: aletheuo137 on October 04, 2022, 06:41:53 AM
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Post by: punaperson on October 04, 2022, 07:57:07 AM
She's a lying sack of sh*t.
Every single time I talked to her staff about Gabbard's position on an upcoming bill re gun rights in one form or another, they would say "she hasn't made a decision yet".... sometimes less than 24 hours before the vote... and, guess what, every single time she voted to nullify our rights. EVERY SINGLE TIME.
I will never believe a single word that comes out of her mouth if those words are anything but totalitarian anti-gun talking points. She's a politician.
* * * *
Here's how the commies (aka "Democrats") describe her "gun control" positions:
Tulsi Gabbard, Congresswoman from Hawaii: "I support our Second Amendment rights."
Source: 2019 "Meet the Candidates" (NY Times.com) , Jun 18, 2019
Ban assault weapons; require universal background checks
In Congress, Gabbard has co-sponsored bills that would ban assault weapons and require background checks for all gun purchases, including closing what is known as the "gun-show loophole."
Source: PBS News hour on 2020 Presidential hopefuls , Jan 14, 2019
Advocate for sensible gun control
Tulsi has a consistent record of advocating for sensible gun control. She has long called for reinstating a federal ban on military-style assault weapons and high capacity clips, requiring comprehensive pre-purchase background checks, closing the gun-show loophole, and making sure that terrorists are not allowed to buy guns. Tulsi is focused on building bipartisan solutions that can actually be passed into law, rather than using the issue as a partisan political football.
Tulsi Gabbard on gun control measures:
H.R. 1565 & H.R. 1217: To ensure that all individuals who should be prohibited from buying a firearm are listed in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System
H.R. 2380: Gun Show Loophole Closing Act: To require criminal background checks at gun shows.
H.R. 226: Keeping Guns from High Risk Individuals Act
H.R. 1745: Support Assault Firearms Elimination and Reduction: a tax credit for surrendering to authorities certain assault weapons.
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From her own campaign literature, proudly proclaiming:
"Tulsi has an F-rating from the NRA, a 0% rating by the Hawaii Rifle Association, and a 100% rating by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence."
Post by: powerlessbump on October 04, 2022, 09:11:25 AM
F*ck Tulsi Gabbard.
She's a lying sack of sh*t.
Every single time I talked to her staff about Gabbard's position on an upcoming bill re gun rights in one form or another, they would say "she hasn't made a decision yet".... sometimes less than 24 hours before the vote... and, guess what, every single time she voted to nullify our rights. EVERY SINGLE TIME.
I will never believe a single word that comes out of her mouth if those words are anything but totalitarian anti-gun talking points. She's a politician.
* * * *
Here's how the commies (aka "Democrats") describe her "gun control" positions:
Tulsi Gabbard, Congresswoman from Hawaii: "I support our Second Amendment rights."
Source: 2019 "Meet the Candidates" (NY Times.com) , Jun 18, 2019
Ban assault weapons; require universal background checks
In Congress, Gabbard has co-sponsored bills that would ban assault weapons and require background checks for all gun purchases, including closing what is known as the "gun-show loophole."
Source: PBS News hour on 2020 Presidential hopefuls , Jan 14, 2019
Advocate for sensible gun control
Tulsi has a consistent record of advocating for sensible gun control. She has long called for reinstating a federal ban on military-style assault weapons and high capacity clips, requiring comprehensive pre-purchase background checks, closing the gun-show loophole, and making sure that terrorists are not allowed to buy guns. Tulsi is focused on building bipartisan solutions that can actually be passed into law, rather than using the issue as a partisan political football.
Tulsi Gabbard on gun control measures:
H.R. 1565 & H.R. 1217: To ensure that all individuals who should be prohibited from buying a firearm are listed in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System
H.R. 2380: Gun Show Loophole Closing Act: To require criminal background checks at gun shows.
H.R. 226: Keeping Guns from High Risk Individuals Act
H.R. 1745: Support Assault Firearms Elimination and Reduction: a tax credit for surrendering to authorities certain assault weapons.
* * * *
From her own campaign literature, proudly proclaiming:
"Tulsi has an F-rating from the NRA, a 0% rating by the Hawaii Rifle Association, and a 100% rating by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence."
Agreed, I love Tulsi for bombing the shit out of Kamala during the 2020 debates. As well as being more moderate since the DNC decided to kill her run after said election. But when she was in office she was anti 2a. Now, while she graces FOX she is pro 2a... Kind of hard to trust someone like that.
Post by: drck1000 on October 04, 2022, 09:31:55 AM
Post by: ren on October 04, 2022, 11:42:04 AM
Post by: hvybarrels on October 04, 2022, 01:19:42 PM
Most of the rats in DC are fully committed morons prepared to go down with the ship
It would be nice to hear an explanation of her new position though, because without it this just looks like more Black Rifle Coffee-style cringe elitism.
Post by: Bota-CS1 on October 04, 2022, 02:33:14 PM
she looks nice
Resist the Thirst Trap brother Ren. Be strong. Resist the 🍑 in yoga pants. We’ll pray for thee. Sorry, i couldn’t get the reel from IG posted here.
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Note the AR with what I think is a Maxum pistol brace - in it’s configuration is illegal in hawaii (the barrel also appears to be sub-16” but I’m not sure.) She can say she’s pro-2a now, so show me. Lend a hand in the fight in your home state.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 04, 2022, 03:49:27 PM
Resist the Thirst Trap brother Ren. Be strong. Resist theSimp.in yoga pants. We’ll pray for thee. Sorry, i couldn’t get the reel from IG posted here.
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Post by: zippz on October 04, 2022, 03:55:30 PM
Post by: ren on October 04, 2022, 04:59:48 PM
Simp.
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not nice. at least she is not rocking purple firearms....
Post by: Bota-CS1 on October 04, 2022, 05:04:41 PM
not nice. at least she is not rocking purple firearms....
Oooh….shots fired!
Post by: WTF?Shane on October 04, 2022, 07:55:28 PM
Amazing what happens when you leave politics. I think she was always more toward gun rights. But being in politics for the democrat party on the neighbor islands is like making deal with the devil or being a meth addict. You sell your soul.
If she didn't help us then, you think she would try to help us now?
Post by: hvybarrels on October 04, 2022, 08:11:47 PM
If she didn't help us then, you think she would try to help us now?
I’m a big fan of her other positions, but she’s got a long history of throwing us under the bus.
If she publicly announced that she’s changed her mind to “shall not be infringed” then I would gladly support her.
Hopefully she does it soon because this fence-riding thing smells of opportunism.
Post by: zippz on October 04, 2022, 08:22:35 PM
If she didn't help us then, you think she would try to help us now?
Probably has to do with the party and arm twisting tactics they employ.
Her father, Mike Gabbard was a strong gun rights supporter and started as a republican. Switched party's then slowly became antigun. A few years ago he voted for a couple big gun control bills. We complained and the next year he turned a new leaf and became strong gun rights again and is still today.
He's not the only one, there's been others like him in the past. It's making a deal with the devil that gets them.
Have to talk to these legislators and build that relationship to turn them to the light again.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 04, 2022, 08:27:54 PM
not nice. at least she is not rocking purple firearms....And purple ammo can, purple gun bag, purple water bottle.
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Post by: hvybarrels on October 04, 2022, 09:17:11 PM
Post by: Bota-CS1 on October 04, 2022, 09:25:54 PM
Probably has to do with the party and arm twisting tactics they employ.
Her father, Mike Gabbard was a strong gun rights supporter and started as a republican. Switched party's then slowly became antigun. A few years ago he voted for a couple big gun control bills. We complained and the next year he turned a new leaf and became strong gun rights again and is still today.
He's not the only one, there's been others like him in the past. It's making a deal with the devil that gets them.
Have to talk to these legislators and build that relationship to turn them to the light again.
You make it sound like you’re a pastor trying to get the local hooker to put on a dress and come to Sunday service….. :rofl:
Post by: drck1000 on October 04, 2022, 09:29:12 PM
You make it sound like you’re a pastor trying to get the local hooker to put on a dress and come to Sunday service….. :rofl:
Define “dress” ;)
;D
Post by: dogman on October 04, 2022, 11:18:45 PM
And purple ammo can, purple gun bag, purple water bottle.I thought it was lavender?
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Post by: dafrtknocker on October 05, 2022, 07:12:45 AM
https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1540280653890981890?t=FKoaHuiT5EslBjkloKygoQ&s=19
Post by: punaperson on October 05, 2022, 07:38:46 AM
Tulsi on Twitter.So is she a liar or a hypocrite and does she repudiate every single one of her positions and votes on Second Amendment issues wherein she consistently 100% voted against the exercise of a constitutionally-protected right?
https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1540280653890981890?t=FKoaHuiT5EslBjkloKygoQ&s=19
Let me guess... she's still in favor of a ban on "assualt weapons", etc., because that is not protected by the Second Amendment?
I want to see her list every single anti-2A bill she voted for (a long list) with a detailed explanation of why she was wrong.
Until then, I see nothing but political posturing.
Post by: ren on October 05, 2022, 04:38:11 PM
Post by: powerlessbump on October 05, 2022, 04:56:16 PM
Post by: punaperson on October 05, 2022, 05:44:11 PM
People change. I don't think its fair to judge someone decades ago. Its just like judging you based on how you were in high school. There are exceptions. Jeffrey Dahmer. Murderers etc."Decades ago"?! What are you talking about? She was in office until 2021, and advocating against 2A rights right until the end. That's not "decades ago", that was last year. smh. You can be an apologist for her anti-rights positions and votes, but you can't make up your own facts.
Post by: aletheuo137 on October 05, 2022, 06:00:42 PM
"Decades ago"?! What are you talking about? She was in office until 2021, and advocating against 2A rights right until the end. That's not "decades ago", that was last year. smh. You can be an apologist for her anti-rights positions and votes, but you can't make up your own facts.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221006/6fce99638751e28091c13f0c7dfe3090.jpg)
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Post by: punaperson on October 05, 2022, 06:14:33 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221006/6fce99638751e28091c13f0c7dfe3090.jpg)Yeah, well that photo was from "decades ago"... probably the 80s... when she was 6 years old...
Oh, wait, that photo at the gun control summit was from way way way way way back on August 10, 2019.. you know, "decades ago"...
Post by: dafrtknocker on October 05, 2022, 07:31:22 PM
https://youtu.be/lZRdyRftulo
Post by: robtmc on October 05, 2022, 07:36:47 PM
Yeah, well that photo was from "decades ago"... probably the 80s... when she was 6 years old...
Oh, wait, that photo at the gun control summit was from way way way way way back on August 10, 2019.. you know, "decades ago"...
Post by: punaperson on October 05, 2022, 08:01:27 PM
Just being on that forum should destroy her credibility with firearm owners, but the FUDDs will excuse her somehow.ren's excuses:
1. "people change". (aka "politicians change what they say depending on which direction the wind is blowing their political future").
2. That was "decades ago". (except it was last year she was still advocating for an "assault weapons ban", etc.)
Totally lame.
Post by: hvybarrels on October 05, 2022, 08:12:32 PM
ren's excuses:
1. "people change". (aka "politicians change what they say depending on which direction the wind is blowing their political future").
2. That was "decades ago". (except it was last year she was still advocating for an "assault weapons ban", etc.)
Totally lame.
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Post by: ren on October 05, 2022, 09:07:56 PM
Yeah, well that photo was from "decades ago"... probably the 80s... when she was 6 years old...
Oh, wait, that photo at the gun control summit was from way way way way way back on August 10, 2019.. you know, "decades ago"...
I did not mention Tulsi in that post about decades ago. You can criticize me all you want. Doesn't change my opinion. At this point, I don't care much about what people say in this forum anyways. Call me a FUDD whatevers. :shaka: I've been called worse. Some of you take my posts too literally.
Get out there and go practice shooting. Dryfire or something.
Post by: punaperson on October 05, 2022, 09:24:16 PM
I did not mention Tulsi in that post about decades ago. You can criticize me all you want. Doesn't change my opinion. At this point, I don't care much about what people say in this forum anyways. Call me a FUDD whatevers. :shaka: I've been called worse.So every comment in this thread "Tulsi Gabbard loves guns?" is about Tulsi Gabbard and her positions on guns/rights except that one comment you posted in which you state "people change" and shouldn't judge based on "decades ago" is about who? Why?
I couldn't care less what your opinion is, much less if you change it. Only that you seem to be fact deficient and naive.
I didn't call you a FUDD. I didn't call you anything until the above "naive". If you think Gabbard did a sudden 180 degree turn on guns and gun rights, you should present some evidence that is compelling and factual. Maybe she has, but based on my lengthy history with her of deceit and lies, I doubt it. She's an opportunist, not to mention a member of a cult. Not that there's anything wrong with those things...
Post by: ren on October 05, 2022, 09:35:07 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 05, 2022, 09:39:17 PM
From the video I think Tulsi loves shooting guns. That's a start. Would it be better if she had a video of her donning a red Moms Demand Action shirt and showing up at HPD yesterday?It would be better if she accepted a Vivid contract.
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Post by: ren on October 05, 2022, 09:43:45 PM
Post by: hvybarrels on October 06, 2022, 01:27:35 AM
How about we hold off judgment until we hear her announcement? Hopefully it includes an apology for her previous voting and activism record. No matter what she’s already crossed the Rubicon and the left will never taker her back.
Post by: mrgaf on October 06, 2022, 04:23:05 PM
Just sayin…. :shake: :worship: :geekdanc: :popcorn:
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Post by: macsak on October 06, 2022, 04:34:20 PM
Don’t care which side of the coin she’s on. I’d hit it!
Just sayin…. :shake: :worship: :geekdanc: :popcorn:
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Post by: aieahound on October 06, 2022, 04:37:44 PM
Post by: mrgaf on October 06, 2022, 04:45:24 PM
Yeah…but Padma Lakshmi is still hot.
Tulsi or not I’d still hit it….. :crazy:
Post by: Heavies on October 06, 2022, 06:52:13 PM
But still, I’d need to see some kind of solid proof of a change of heart to constitutionality.
Post by: punaperson on October 06, 2022, 10:17:34 PM
She did do an interview somewhere where she complained she couldn’t get a CCW in Hawaii. This was due to some relative, or something, that was victimized in a violent crime, if I remember correctly.Maybe in this thread, maybe somewhere else, she tells her story of a threat by a guy to cut off her head... using her connections she spoke to a "high ranking official" in HPD and he told it would be highly unlikely that she would get a license to carry. Capitol police found the threat credible, and provided her with security in D.C. The guy was arrested and served time.
But still, I’d need to see some kind of solid proof of a change of heart to constitutionality.
The only kind of "solid proof" you could ever get is if she were again in a position where she either made/approved or voted for policies and laws. She has ALWAYS said "I support the Second Amendment". Then she would vote FOR an "assault weapons ban" and AGAINST "national reciprocity". She will say whatever she needs to say (like virtually all politicians) to further her personal ambitions. Only if she is in a position of making actual decisions on policy will her real positions be revealed. "Yes, I DO support the Second Amendment, BUT it doesn't apply to THAT situation ("assault weapons", "reciprocity", etc.,etc., etc.)".
Post by: Stack_Xchange on October 07, 2022, 03:55:53 AM
It would be better if she accepted a Vivid contract.
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I was trolling through the comments and I literally burst out laughing at 4am and still mostly asleep when I read this.
Post by: aletheuo137 on October 07, 2022, 07:15:09 AM
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Post by: aletheuo137 on October 07, 2022, 07:16:47 AM
Maybe in this thread, maybe somewhere else, she tells her story of a threat by a guy to cut off her head... using her connections she spoke to a "high ranking official" in HPD and he told it would be highly unlikely that she would get a license to carry. Capitol police found the threat credible, and provided her with security in D.C. The guy was arrested and served time.Comelian, changes her stripes to fit!
The only kind of "solid proof" you could ever get is if she were again in a position where she either made/approved or voted for policies and laws. She has ALWAYS said "I support the Second Amendment". Then she would vote FOR an "assault weapons ban" and AGAINST "national reciprocity". She will say whatever she needs to say (like virtually all politicians) to further her personal ambitions. Only if she is in a position of making actual decisions on policy will her real positions be revealed. "Yes, I DO support the Second Amendment, BUT it doesn't apply to THAT situation ("assault weapons", "reciprocity", etc.,etc., etc.)".
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Post by: changemyoil66 on October 07, 2022, 08:28:19 AM
I was trolling through the comments and I literally burst out laughing at 4am and still mostly asleep when I read this.
4am? More like immediately googled after reading in case I was right. :rofl:
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 07, 2022, 08:30:46 AM
I remember a guy on SSH who was very anti 2a, he would post often. Then the realtor who was murdered and her kid tied up in North Shore was a close friend. He very shortly bought an AR and admitted he was wrong about the 2a. It's been years since he's posted anything anti 2a. I'm sure he was happy to already have his AR during the 2020 BLM riots and Covid lockdowns.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 07, 2022, 10:00:41 AM
I've read her social media comments and many people bring up her AW cosponsoring and stuff like that. Here's what would solve the issue, if she simply stated she was wrong to support it. People can change toward their views on anything.
I remember a guy on SSH who was very anti 2a, he would post often. Then the realtor who was murdered and her kid tied up in North Shore was a close friend. He very shortly bought an AR and admitted he was wrong about the 2a. It's been years since he's posted anything anti 2a. I'm sure he was happy to already have his AR during the 2020 BLM riots and Covid lockdowns.
It would be easy for her to make a POLICY shift without saying she's changed her personal beliefs and position.
In light of the recent Bruen decision, as well and the previous Heller v. DC and other gun rights case opinions, it's clear the majority of Americans support the right to own AR-15s and to carry firearms in public. More than half the states now offer "permitless" or Constitutional carry. No license, no extra background checks, and no CCW training classes. If you are legally able to own a firearm, you also have the legal right to carry it in public should you ever have to defend yourself or others.
If she would give that as the context, and then say she supports the Constitution and respects the decisions of the courts, in particular the Supreme Court, therefore, any so-called Assault Weapons Ban would be unconstitutional, and she cannot and will not support one.
There are plenty of politicians who give their honest PERSONAL opinions as well as the "I intend to follow and uphold the law as it exists," caveat. Everyone can disagree with a law (we disagree with a BUNCH on here), but we follow them and respect the authority of the government to enforce them. If and when the law changes, we expect the same from anyone who disagrees with the changes.
There's belief, and then there's reality. Sometimes they coincide, but many times they oppose each other.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 07, 2022, 10:29:53 AM
It would be easy for her to make a POLICY shift without saying she's changed her personal beliefs and position.
In light of the recent Bruen decision, as well and the previous Heller v. DC and other gun rights case opinions, it's clear the majority of Americans support the right to own AR-15s and to carry firearms in public. More than half the states now offer "permitless" or Constitutional carry. No license, no extra background checks, and no CCW training classes. If you are legally able to own a firearm, you also have the legal right to carry it in public should you ever have to defend yourself or others.
This would be a good out for her to change her position.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 07, 2022, 12:00:52 PM
This would be a good out for her to change her position.
That's the idea of my post.
Politicians are often caught flip-flopping on issue positions with nothing more than a "Well, I changed my mind," and we are supposed to believe that.
If someone has a belief and wants to actually change that belief, they need to elaborate on the circumstances that made them reconsider their opinions.
She could have had a situation that made her realize she was wrong before, such as a stalker threatening her life. Realizing not everyone is in a position like she was to get 24/7 personal armed protection, she might have had an epiphany. Without the right to keep AND BEAR the arms of their own choosing, they might be vulnerable to a stalker, rapist, home invasion or any random crime in which they just happen to be unlucky enough to be intended victims.
Also, in light of actual facts, CA and NY with all of their strict gun laws were unsuccessful at stopping any of the recent mass shootings. The best outcome was when a good guy with a concealed carry pistol took out a would-be mass shooter in a mall. An ordinary person doing an extraordinary act of bravery. Without the proper tools and SELF-motivation to train (not some gov't mandated course), he might not have had the skill to make that number of hits from such a distance.
These are examples of REALITY that should signal to her that her narrowly focused belief system based on "war experience" should be reexamined.
Government is the reason the 2A exists. Government should not be dictating how the 2A is exercised. If they really want us to be safe, they would offer these mandatory concealed carry classes for free to everyone legally able to own a firearm.
Post by: aieahound on October 07, 2022, 12:40:33 PM
I did like that she kinda stood up to the Democrat establishment, although it may have all been for her own gain.
Post by: MassConfusion on October 07, 2022, 03:22:03 PM
I would seem she flipped when they(Hilldog Clinton) decided to come after her. Remember when they were calling her a russian asset?
"In October 2019, false and later corrected stories[174] claimed that former Secretary of State and 2016 presidential nominee Hillary Clinton said that Russia was "grooming" a female Democrat to run as a third-party candidate, who would help President Donald Trump win reelection via a spoiler effect.[175][176] The media understood Clinton to be referring to Gabbard, which Nick Merril, a Clinton spokesperson, seemed to confirm to CNN by saying: "If the nesting doll fits"; however, Gabbard repeatedly said she would not run as a third-party candidate in 2020 and did not do so."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsi_Gabbard (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsi_Gabbard)
This might have been the stimulus to turn her back on the DNC when they tried to scapegoat her but does that mean her views changed or her appearance has to change for the people she panders to. There are reasons to doubt her sincerity.
I found this as well, best I can tell it is a list of her donors and associations.
https://littlesis.org/person/117239-Tulsi_Gabbard (https://littlesis.org/person/117239-Tulsi_Gabbard)
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 07, 2022, 03:46:17 PM
What I do watch is who their enemies are. If they are ostracized, attacked and defamed relentlessly by the people I distrust completely, it does raise my trust in them considerably.
The people with their eye on winning elections know to say and do whatever is needed to APPEAR trustworthy or in sync with your ideas just to win votes. It's why the Dems love to pander to each ethnic, racial and societal group -- to become the champions of the group's most challenging issues. In fact, once elected, they give lip service and excuses back in return.
I'd rather have someone I believe is telling the truth even if I disagree with their opinions. That way, I know what to expect from them going forward. Someone like Hillary who always has 2 positions -- one for the public and one that's private -- has but one objective: win at all cost, even if you have to lie about your positions.
Once in office, those kinds of people must become slaves to the party leaders, or risk being out of a job next time they run for reelection. That puts a fork in their promises to vote their conscience. Nature of the beast.
Post by: punaperson on October 11, 2022, 07:15:34 AM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/10/breaking-tulsi-gabbard-leaves-democrat-party-elitist-cabal-warmongers/
So, waddayathink? Senate? Governor? Network commentator? Thinktank?
Post by: QUIETShooter on October 11, 2022, 08:11:58 AM
Tulsi may or may not follow in these steps.
Post by: groveler on October 11, 2022, 10:50:36 AM
Gee, who didn't see this coming?! LOL! Right on cue, after laying extensive groundwork... these political hacks never sleep, always planning 5 steps ahead...My bet would be Senate against Crazy Mazie.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/10/breaking-tulsi-gabbard-leaves-democrat-party-elitist-cabal-warmongers/
So, waddayathink? Senate? Governor? Network commentator? Thinktank?
She'll run as an Independent like "Independent" commie Bernie.
She will caucus with the Republicans, but stab them in the back on guns.
She is an officer and all officers want their troops disarmed when in Garrison.
:popcorn:
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 11, 2022, 11:11:13 AM
My bet would be Senate against Crazy Mazie.
She would still be a much better choice than Crazy or anyone else currently in office.
Post by: mrgaf on October 11, 2022, 11:14:43 AM
My bet would be Senate against Crazy Mazie.
She'll run as an Independent like "Independent" commie Bernie.
She will caucus with the Republicans, but stab them in the back on guns.
She is an officer and all officers want their troops disarmed when in Garrison.
:popcorn:
She was also prior enlisted if memory serves me correctly… 8)
Post by: Jl808 on October 11, 2022, 11:43:28 AM
Tulsi leaves the Democrat party
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 11, 2022, 03:16:49 PM
Post by: hvybarrels on October 11, 2022, 05:03:20 PM
We need a wave of mass defection from the Democratic Party, and for that to happen then it’s gotta be all :love: and not :grrr: on our end
Sure there will be commie infiltrators, but those can be weeded out later.
Right now it’s a winner-take-all fight for the nation
Post by: robtmc on October 11, 2022, 05:44:51 PM
If you hate Tulsi then it’s hold your nose and make-nice time
Tulsi needs to stay out of the 2A issue if it bothers her.
Needs to understand how it alienates more than a few that otherwise might support.
Yeah, I am a one issue voter, deal with it.
Post by: MassConfusion on October 11, 2022, 06:23:15 PM
https://www.bitchute.com/video/l4c5ODYQ8lvm/ (https://www.bitchute.com/video/l4c5ODYQ8lvm/)
Post by: oldfart on October 12, 2022, 07:52:40 AM
Post by: QUIETShooter on October 12, 2022, 09:09:33 AM
She definitely did not leave the Demokrats for the sake of the nation.
She left for Tusi, and Tulsi alone.
My opinion, of course.
Post by: hvybarrels on October 12, 2022, 10:13:55 AM
You may not like her but right now she’s the Kaiju smashing their city to bits.
This is a glorious moment
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Post by: oldfart on October 12, 2022, 10:52:17 AM
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 12, 2022, 11:17:29 AM
Tulsi left the Demokrats because she saw a dead end there.
She definitely did not leave the Demokrats for the sake of the nation.
She left for Tusi, and Tulsi alone.
My opinion, of course.
I think she left because she can no longer tolerate the warmongering, Leftist-agenda-pushing, Freedom-hating, Constitution-violating asshats in power.
Whether that's for "her", for "us" or against "them", it's irrelevant. As long as she ACTS and persuades other Democrats to ACT similarly, she's doing a good thing.
My opinion, of course.
From later reports, she's choosing to become Independent. I think that speaks to how intermingled the two main parties are in Swamp Town.
Post by: punaperson on October 12, 2022, 11:19:21 AM
https://tulsi.substack.com/p/why-im-leaving-the-democratic-party
Ironicially (not really) she does mention the Second Amendment in her list of "reasons"... including calling out Beto O'Rourke for saying "Hell, yes we're going to take away your AR15s and AK47s...". Nowhere does she mention that she supported and voted for an "assault weapons ban"... nor that she opposed national reciprocity, or supported a host of other anti-2A bills. No explanation at all, either of her current views, nor how nor why they have changed (if they have changed) since her public anti-2A positions were well known.
No mention of (her support of) abortion.
No mention of (her support of) the Green New Deal.
No mention of (her support of) college loan forgiveness.
No mention of (her support of) free college.
No mention of (her support of) "universal free health care".
Etc.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 12, 2022, 11:40:26 AM
Tulsi's "explanation" via her substack:
https://tulsi.substack.com/p/why-im-leaving-the-democratic-party
Ironicially (not really) she does mention the Second Amendment in her list of "reasons"... including calling out Beto O'Rourke for saying "Hell, yes we're going to take away your AR15s and AK47s...". Nowhere does she mention that she supported and voted for an "assault weapons ban"... nor that she opposed national reciprocity, or supported a host of other anti-2A bills. No explanation at all, either of her current views, nor how nor why they have changed (if they have changed) since her public anti-2A positions were well known.
No mention of (her support of) abortion.
No mention of (her support of) the Green New Deal.
No mention of (her support of) college loan forgiveness.
No mention of (her support of) free college.
No mention of (her support of) "universal free health care".
Etc.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/5087/cosponsors?q=%7B%22cosponsor-state%22%3A%22Hawaii%22%7D
Here's 1 of the AWB bills with Hanabusa also co-sponsoring.
So until she states she was wrong or now supports "assault rifles", regardless if she's shooting them, I will still assume she isn't for full support.
Of all the DNC HI has in DC, she is the least crazy. Only her stance on the 2a would keep me from supporting her more.
Post by: Brystont1 on October 12, 2022, 11:44:57 AM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 12, 2022, 11:45:40 AM
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/5087/cosponsors?q=%7B%22cosponsor-state%22%3A%22Hawaii%22%7D
Here's 1 of the AWB bills with Hanabusa also co-sponsoring.
So until she states she was wrong or now supports "assault rifles", regardless if she's shooting them, I will still assume she isn't for full support.
Of all the DNC HI has in DC, she is the least crazy. Only her stance on the 2a would keep me from supporting her more.
Nobody's perfect. At least she's someone we can work with as opposed to those who simply parrot the party line while trampling our rights.
Post by: punaperson on October 12, 2022, 11:53:55 AM
She's very highly "selective" on what issues are "problems" for her. Why? Is she for personal freedom and liberty, or not?
Post by: groveler on October 12, 2022, 12:04:00 PM
Nobody's perfect. At least she's someone we can work with as opposed to those who simply parrot the party line while trampling our rights.I'd vote for her in the primary.
General election, no. but then I'm a loser.
I vote my wallet and 2A.
:worship:
Post by: punaperson on October 12, 2022, 12:05:15 PM
...Really?! You want to pay for the Green New Deal and be subject to all the personal limitations and expenses and quality of life limitations that will be imposed?
Only her stance on the 2a would keep me from supporting her more.
Et cetera for college loan dismissal, free college, free universal health care, etc.
Post by: punaperson on October 12, 2022, 12:06:36 PM
Nobody's perfect. At least she's someone we can work with as opposed to those who simply parrot the party line while trampling our rights.Yeah, she'll be an "independent" who won't parrot any party line while trampling our rights.
Post by: hvybarrels on October 12, 2022, 12:13:42 PM
Unlike most libs we know
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Post by: punaperson on October 12, 2022, 12:24:23 PM
You may not vote for her, but at least Shooty Krishna can be reasoned withIn her 10 years of being my respresentative in Congress I never once found her capable or willing to be reasoned with.
Unlike most libs we know
Willing to lie? Endlessly.
Post by: groveler on October 12, 2022, 01:00:30 PM
In her 10 years of being my respresentative in Congress I never once found her capable or willing to be reasoned with.In Hawaii it is ALWAYS the lesser of evils.
Willing to lie? Endlessly.
all we have are Democrats, RINOs, and
Serfs.
Serfs own all the guns but for some reason don't use them.
Surfs UP!
:shaka:
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 12, 2022, 01:02:30 PM
Really?! You want to pay for the Green New Deal and be subject to all the personal limitations and expenses and quality of life limitations that will be imposed?
Et cetera for college loan dismissal, free college, free universal health care, etc.
Let me rephrase, if I had to take a bite of the shit sandwich, I would vote for her over the typical HI DNC rep/lawmaker. Lesser of 2 evils. At least she has the "balls" to call people out when needed. Like Hillary and HPD.
Post by: 2aDefends1a on October 12, 2022, 05:35:37 PM
Post by: robtmc on October 12, 2022, 05:46:17 PM
She's the Democrat Party's version of Liz Cheney. Opportunistic sell outs who should never be welcomed with any opened arms by anyone.I too, smell an opportunist.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 12, 2022, 06:43:38 PM
I too, smell an opportunist.Really?
An opportunist, by definition, takes advantage of any opportunity to achieve an end, often with no regard for principles or consequences.
So, is she an opportunist, or do her principles just conflict with the 2A community and the implementation of certain rights?
Mitt Romney gave an early morning press conference just after the Benghazi attack hours before Obama gave his statement before jetting off to Vegas to campaign. That's an opportunist in full form.
Post by: 2aDefends1a on October 12, 2022, 06:52:48 PM
So, is she an opportunist, or do her principles just conflict with the 2A community and the implementation of certain rights?
So you've characterized her as either an opportunist or someone who's principles are against the implementation of rights that will protect or advance the 2nd Ammendment.
In the same way anyone on the right would scorn some turncoat like Liz Cheney, why would anyone on the right welcome someone like Tulsi who is cut from the same cloth?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 12, 2022, 07:01:05 PM
So you've characterized her as either an opportunist or someone who's principles are against the implementation of rights that will protect or advance the 2nd Ammendment.
In the same way anyone on the right would scorn some turncoat like Liz Cheney, why would anyone on the right welcome someone like Tulsi who is cut from the same cloth?
I'm simply pointing out that someone acting on their principles and values is not an opportunist -- by definition.
Post by: 2aDefends1a on October 12, 2022, 07:10:15 PM
I'm simply pointing out that someone acting on their principles and values is not an opportunist -- by definition.
Fair. I should not have characterized her as an opportunist.
At the same time, sounds like her principles and values are contrary to the 2A.
So then why bother celebrating her leaving the Democratic party? Why bother opining if she is pro-2A?
I'd trust some anti gun progressive from deep blue NYC to tell me that he hates me than some "former Democrat" like Tulsi Gabbard making grand statements about how she's leaving the Democrats for any reason other than that it promotes her brand.
Let's not also remember that being a "maverick" in terms of political parties is an attractive storyline that the MSM on both sides loves to gobble up. You can thank the late king of RINOs John McCain for that. The fool spawned people like Tulsi and Liz Cheney.
So yes, you are right that she's not an opportunist. She's just an attention ho`
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 12, 2022, 08:08:24 PM
Fair. I should not have characterized her as an opportunist.
At the same time, sounds like her principles and values are contrary to the 2A.
So then why bother celebrating her leaving the Democratic party? Why bother opining if she is pro-2A?
I'd trust some anti gun progressive from deep blue NYC to tell me that he hates me than some "former Democrat" like Tulsi Gabbard making grand statements about how she's leaving the Democrats for any reason other than that it promotes her brand.
Let's not also remember that being a "maverick" in terms of political parties is an attractive storyline that the MSM on both sides loves to gobble up. You can thank the late king of RINOs John McCain for that. The fool spawned people like Tulsi and Liz Cheney.
So yes, you are right that she's not an opportunist. She's just an attention ho`
Money -- plain and simple.
The fewer highly visible Democrats out campaign fundraising, the smaller the party's "war chest" for Democrat candidates.
Since she began running for office in the 2014 election cycle, she's raised $7,776,251.
https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/tulsi-gabbard/summary?cid=N00033281&cycle=CAREER&type=I
Post by: punaperson on October 12, 2022, 08:48:07 PM
....Notice your own definition does not use the word "always", but rather "often"... could as well be "sometimes" or "occasionally".
An opportunist, by definition, takes advantage of any opportunity to achieve an end, often with no regard for principles or consequences.
....
She's "tak[ing] advantage of an opportunity to achieve an end", with or without "regard for principles or consequences".
She's an opportunist.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 12, 2022, 10:06:17 PM
Notice your own definition does not use the word "always", but rather "often"... could as well be "sometimes" or "occasionally"."Always" indicates without exception. In labeling human behavior there are always exceptions.
She's "tak[ing] advantage of an opportunity to achieve an end", with or without "regard for principles or consequences".
She's an opportunist.
My point is, even IF she's taking advantage of an opportunity -- an opportunity to do WHAT, you haven't said -- it doesn't mean she's not doing it because she's just as pissed at the double standards as we are. Maybe she got her hopes up that Trump would actually get us out of these never-ending foreign wars, and then Biden comes along to start new ones? Maybe she saw change in our relationship with N. Korea only to have Biden screw that up, and now Rocket Man has tested what? 6 missiles in a little over a week?
Maybe the way Biden is trampling on the 1A via Social Media and MSM censorship of opposing ideas and criticism, giving tons of money and weapons to Ukraine while trying to give the ATF more power to harass legal gun owners here while telling the people to "suck it up" over inflation and oil prices is part of it?
Maybe she realized the decisions being made in DC are no longer part of the Democrat Party's stated platform, but are part of an agenda that she never signed onto.
If we have to trust someone in high level politics, how about naming someone YOU'D trust. Not a new candidate, but someone who's done the job, is electable, and who can "lure" others from that party to join them.
I heartily welcome her to join the Independent Party -- which historically syphons votes from the Democrats.
By your definition, anyone who takes an opportunity to achieve something they want is an opportunist regardless of motive. Maybe that includes you, too?
Post by: aieahound on October 12, 2022, 10:55:34 PM
Easy there Flapper.
And that was a shit ton of “maybe”s
An opportunist, by definition, takes advantage of any opportunity to achieve an end, often with no regard for principles or consequences.
Yup.
Except you’re wrong on no regard for consequences. She knows the consequences fall In her financial favor. She has regard for the consequences.
So what does that make her “by definition” ?
She’s not electable on any level in this State. She’s not looking to get elected and can’t lure anyone.
Opportunity to do what ? Make the almighty dollar and maybe be famous.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 12, 2022, 11:13:51 PM
I was watching Scream tonight since it's getting close to Halloween -- I like scary movies during October.
Finished the first movie, and started Scream 2.
About 3 minutes ago I was thinking about how the reporter and author Gale Weathers (played by Courteney Cox) was the epitome of the label "opportunist," since it was not that long after discussing the definition here.
Not more than a couple minutes later, while Randy and Dewey are discussing potential suspects in the recent murders, Randy says, "How about Gale weathers?"
Dewey says, "Gale? A killer?"
Randy: "Sure. Why not?"
Dewey: "Well, she is vicious."
Randy: "She's an opportunist. Isn't it conceivable she's planning her next book?"
Just thought I'd toss that out here for poops and laughter.
Post by: hvybarrels on October 12, 2022, 11:19:17 PM
Easy there Flapper.
And that was a shit ton of “maybe”s
Yup.
Except you’re wrong on no regard for consequences. She knows the consequences fall In her financial favor. She has regard for the consequences.
So what does that make her “by definition” ?
She’s not electable on any level in this State. She’s not looking to get elected and can’t lure anyone.
Opportunity to do what ? Make the almighty dollar and maybe be famous.
Sorry but that makes zero sense. Clintons, Pelosis, Bushes, Obamas, Cheneys and Bidens rake in hundreds of millions of dollars selling out this nation and enjoy protection from the intelligence agencies, mainstream media, big tech, and the Chinese Communist Party.
They are literally sending goon squads and the IRS to kick down the doors of their political enemies and stealing elections out in the open.
Tulsi was set for life if she played ball and went along with stealing the nomination from Bernie, but now she has a target on her back.
You may not agree with her, but this woman is the real deal. We just haven’t seen it in so long that nobody remembers what it looks like.
Post by: aieahound on October 12, 2022, 11:48:22 PM
President, speaker of House, President, President, Vice President, President…who is Tulsi ?
She’s now a talking head. (And set for life.)
I hope you’re right HvyB.
But right now she’s a clown like Tucker.
Definitely zero effect on Hawaii.
Nationally…who gives a rat’s ass about Tulsi ? Other than as a talking head ?
https://www.firearmsnews.com/editorial/tulsi-gabbard-totalitarian-demands-guns/389654
“We could go on, but the point is made: “Conservative” media outlets are happy to bring their viewers and readers statements from Gabbard they can agree with, and then form positive opinions that she’s somehow a “good Democrat.” No doubt she had made some declarations we can all agree with, but there’s one other common factor all such stories seem to share:
None of them also reveal that she is a citizen disarmament extremist.
“Tulsi has a consistent record of advocating for sensible gun control,” a 2018 campaign statement announced. “She has long called for reinstating a federal ban on military-style assault weapons and high capacity magazines, requiring comprehensive pre-purchase background checks, closing the gun-show loophole, and making sure that terrorists are not allowed to buy guns. Tulsi has an F-rating from the NRA, a 0% rating by the Hawaii Rifle Association, and a 100% rating by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. “
She’s a sheep in wolf’s clothing. IMO.
Post by: hvybarrels on October 13, 2022, 01:14:38 AM
Post by: Rocky on October 13, 2022, 06:39:06 AM
Isn't Gabbard a Fox contributor?
Post by: MassConfusion on October 13, 2022, 07:57:56 AM
Anyway this is just snipped out from her address.
"Today’s Democratic Party does not believe in our constitutionally protected right to bear arms. Our founders passed the Second Amendment out of a recognition that every one of us has a right to defend ourselves and our loved ones, and to serve as a check on a tyrannical government seeking to take away our God-given freedoms. The Democratic Party’s hatred of the Second Amendment and their increasing authoritarian instincts pose a serious threat to our freedoms. "Hell yes, we're going to take your AR-15, your AK-47,” Beto O'Rourke said at a debate when he was running for president. Our founders intentionally passed the Second Amendment right after the First Amendment. The majority ruling from the recent Supreme Court ruling striking down New York’s law that barred people from concealed carry firearms summarized very clearly why Democrats are wrong to try to take away our rights: “Just as we do not need to seek a permit to stand on the street corner and exercise our right to free speech, we shouldn’t have to seek permission for a law abiding citizen to carry their firearm. We as a society don’t get to pick and choose which of our rights in the constitution are more worthy of protecting than another.” Protecting our freedom to defend ourselves and those we love, and protecting our rights and freedoms enshrined in the Constitution against a tyrannical power is exactly why we must ensure our right to bear arms “shall not be infringed.”"
https://tulsi.substack.com/p/why-im-leaving-the-democratic-party (https://tulsi.substack.com/p/why-im-leaving-the-democratic-party)
These are, as demonstrated by her past voting record, her new values. She may have fought and possibly bled for her country but does this match to what her past actions, in congress, have shown?
I thinking we give her the tissue treatment. Use her for what we need, wrap her up after we are done and toss her in the trash.
Half of what you see and none of what you hear.
Post by: hvybarrels on October 13, 2022, 08:18:41 AM
That’s because they all eliminated from the same CIA echo chamber
She’s the only anti regime change national figure right now, and regime change is the only reason the CIA exists
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Post by: punaperson on October 13, 2022, 08:19:11 AM
Same with all her other bullsh*t arguments/facts re abortion, Green New Deal, free college, etc., including those subjects (like abortion, Green New Deal, free college, etc.) upon which she apparently hasn't changed her mind.
Seems only fair, transparent and honest to reveal both what she really believes, and why. What "new" facts led her diametrically opposing conclusions from just two years ago.
Otherwise, some people might think she might be saying what she's saying (exclusively?) for personal gain.
Post by: punaperson on October 13, 2022, 08:23:58 AM
The “Fox News Opportunist” talking points some of you guys are repeating are the exact same ones coming form the leftEvery once in a while even "the left" and/or the CIA utter a non-false statement.
That’s because they all eliminated from the same CIA echo chamber
She’s the only anti regime change national figure right now, and regime change is the only reason the CIA exists
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Or are you claiming that every utterance by "the left" and/or the CIA, ever, have been and are false?
Post by: hvybarrels on October 13, 2022, 09:40:10 AM
Every once in a while even "the left" and/or the CIA utter a non-false statement.
Or are you claiming that every utterance by "the left" and/or the CIA, ever, have been and are false?
I’m saying that when we hear some people on the right start repeating the exact same word-for-word talking points as the leftist mainstream media then maybe it’s not a coincidence
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 13, 2022, 10:43:29 AM
Most members of both the GOP and Dems are reluctant to vote against the party's stance on issues because they NEED the party for reelection. Never bite the hand that feeds you.
She's shown she's willing to accept the consequences when she broke ranks with the party more than once, and on extremely high level, important issues. She was labeled a Russian Asset for not endorsing Hildebeast, and then took a couple months after Bernie was out of the race to endorse her.
If you expect a complete 180 reversal from her previous opinion or position on every single issue you ever disagreed with her before, I think you have set a standard for DNC defectors that most are never going to meet.
All defectors from the DNC deserve a chance to prove themselves. Otherwise, why should they even bother changing their political affiliations?
Post by: drck1000 on October 13, 2022, 11:05:41 AM
#resistanceisfutile
Post by: aieahound on October 13, 2022, 02:04:03 PM
All defectors from the DNC deserve a chance to prove themselves. Otherwise, why should they even bother changing their political affiliations?
OK Charlie.
https://youtu.be/9ivn0C8oebg
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 13, 2022, 02:08:40 PM
https://youtu.be/9ivn0C8oebg
Or scissors with AOC and Tulsi. I would give up my AR15 to watch that. But gotta be in person seating and not via zoom/video.
Post by: Rocky on October 13, 2022, 02:56:31 PM
#resistanceisfutile
resistance is useless
Depends how you look at it
e.g.
Question
What do you get when you multiply 6 x 9 ?
Answer
42
:geekdanc:
Grab your towel, a cup of tea and figure it out !
Post by: hvybarrels on October 13, 2022, 03:16:55 PM
OK Charlie.
There are no other defectors yet, and our Rinos enjoy the full faith and support of the DNC.
We could soon experience a flood of defectors, but not if we are total jerks to them.
The question is if you actually want to win?
It’s true that some people just don’t know how to deal with success.
Post by: groveler on October 13, 2022, 03:44:10 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scorpion_and_the_Frog
I prefer the older Turkish version same URL just read down.
turtle and scorpion, except the turtle may drown the scorpion.
That is how I'd approach it, trust and if that trust is violated, then death
of the untrustworthy is the result.
:thumbsup:
Post by: drck1000 on October 13, 2022, 04:37:19 PM
resistance is uselessSitting on the couch, relaxing with your thoughts. . .
Depends how you look at it
e.g.
Question
What do you get when you multiply 6 x 9 ?
Answer
42
:geekdanc:
Grab your towel, a cup of tea and figure it out !
Do you use your right or left hand for that? :rofl:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 13, 2022, 04:51:46 PM
resistance is useless
Depends how you look at it
e.g.
Question
What do you get when you multiply 6 x 9 ?
Answer
42
:geekdanc:
Grab your towel, a cup of tea and figure it out !
The answer is definitely correct.
It's the question that may need to be better defined.
#Base13
Post by: aieahound on October 14, 2022, 06:59:54 AM
There are no other defectors yet, and our Rinos enjoy the full faith and support of the DNC.
We could soon experience a flood of defectors, but not if we are total jerks to them.
The question is if you actually want to win?
It’s true that some people just don’t know how to deal with success.
I don’t think she’s trying to get other defectors.
I think she’s pandering to the Right to assure her talking head job and further her own riches.
She was one of the 2A’s worst enemies when in a position of power.
Now she’s a supporter when she has no power other than as a talking head.
Of course nowadays influencers wield all kinds of powers of manipulation.
Usually they influence the echo chamber.
Post by: MassConfusion on October 14, 2022, 07:39:40 AM
The answer is definitely correct.Question is meant to be deceptive while still holding true depending on your point of view. https://spooniom.com/6-9-42/ (https://spooniom.com/6-9-42/) Personally I think that base 12 is the most efficient and easily manipulable unit of counting.
It's the question that may need to be better defined.
#Base13
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Kind of how the left models its reasoning but with out the proof. Trump is evil and tried to overthrow our democracy. Lefty girls are hotter than the other ones.
Just an opinion. :stopjack:
IMO Tulsi is an opportunist, she is what one could consider to be in our society, an apex predator. She was not given her job and position with out having to do at least some of the leg work(not counting George w and Jeb Bush). Question; People can change but can you change the stripes on a tiger?
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Perspective, https://justfacts.votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/129306/tulsi-gabbard (https://justfacts.votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/129306/tulsi-gabbard) What do you think?
Post by: Rocky on October 14, 2022, 07:46:01 AM
The answer is definitely correct.First book in a trilogy of five. :wacko:
It's the question that may need to be better defined.
#Base13
Figured it would be you. :thumbsup:
And Thanks for the fish :wave:
Post by: Rocky on October 14, 2022, 07:47:52 AM
I don’t think she’s trying to get other defectors.Are you saying TG now supports civilian CCW, magazines > 10 etc... ?
I think she’s pandering to the Right to assure her talking head job and further her own riches.
She was one of the 2A’s worst enemies when in a position of power.
Now she’s a supporter when she has no power other than as a talking head.
Of course nowadays influencers wield all kinds of powers of manipulation.
Usually they influence the echo chamber.
Post by: aieahound on October 14, 2022, 07:56:29 AM
If it supports and furthers her own personal financial gain. Maybe ego too with the fame but I don’t know her.
The world we live in. People don’t care where it comes from as long as it supports their cause. (Whatever cause that may be)
Right, Wrong, indifferent. I don’t know.
Post by: ren on October 14, 2022, 08:20:06 AM
Yes. Yes I am.
If it supports and furthers her own personal financial gain. Maybe ego too with the fame but I don’t know her.
The world we live in. People don’t care where it comes from as long as it supports their cause. (Whatever cause that may be)
Right, Wrong, indifferent. I don’t know.
I see your point. I'll see how this pans out. Not as hot as AOC.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 14, 2022, 08:59:32 AM
Not as hot as AOC.
^^^This
Post by: hvybarrels on October 14, 2022, 01:29:55 PM
The world would be so much more predicable that way
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Post by: Rocky on October 15, 2022, 08:19:30 AM
People should be assigned their political ideologies from birth and never change them
The world would be so much more predicable that way
Your confusing political ideologies with gender. :rofl:
Post by: Rocky on October 15, 2022, 08:21:05 AM
Sitting on the couch, relaxing with your thoughts. . .Left hand as I have no feeling in it.
Do you use your right or left hand for that? :rofl:
Feels like a total stranger. :shake:
:wave:
Post by: oldfart on October 15, 2022, 08:31:26 AM
Left hand as I have no feeling in it....
Feels like a total stranger. :shake:
:wave:
Ohhh...
Stop putting pictures in my head
Post by: hvybarrels on October 15, 2022, 10:39:48 AM
Your confusing political ideologies with gender. :rofl:
It was intentional, because that’s how some people here are treating it
People are allowed to change their minds
If you can’t do that then you might as well be dead
Post by: aieahound on October 20, 2022, 11:58:09 AM
But interesting article on the Flip Flop we call Tulsi.
How changed her mind Tulsi. However one wants to frame it.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/tulsi-gabbard-doesn-t-really-085359015.html
“ She was a surrogate for the democratic socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders. She voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016. She endorsed Joe Biden in 2020. And now, in 2022, she’s campaigning for…Kari Lake?
Last week, former Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard announced she was leaving the Democratic Party because it had become “an elitist cabal of warmongers driven by cowardly wokeness.” Now nominally an independent, she promptly endorsed and campaigned for Republican politicians like New Hampshire GOP Senate candidate Don Bolduc and Arizona GOP gubernatorial candidate Kari Lake.
It’s worth asking: When exactly did the Democratic Party become woke warmongers? Was it before or after Gabbard backed Clinton and Biden?
…
So why did Tulsi decide to break up with the Democrats, and why now? Gabbard may want to take a page from ex-Democrat Ronald Reagan who famously said, “I didn’t leave the Democratic Party, the party left me,” but the two are hardly analogous.
I struggle to find any coherence in Gabbard’s political philosophy or strategy but, as a lifelong conservative, one possible answer may be that the Republican Party has left us. It has become the kind of MAGA party that is attractive to people like Lake (a former Obama voter), Donald Trump (a former Clinton supporter), Kanye “George Bush doesn't care about black people” West, Dr. Mehmet Oz (of Oprah fame), and now, the ex-Bernie-booster Tulsi Gabbard.
…
A common thread among the MAGA upstarts is that they are opportunistic and attention-starved. Politics, once dreary and boring to the general public, is now a gateway to widespread attention, and the far right has by far the lowest barrier to entry. In this regard, Gabbard is merely the latest celebrity brand to hop on the conservative entertainment wing’s wagon in pursuit of even more clout.
Seen in that light, Gabbard’s conversion, seemingly timed to coincide with the launch of a new podcast, is less confusing. Perhaps it’s worth quickly recapping her convoluted trajectory.
…
Tulsi didn’t have to pay her dues or show her conservative credentials—all she had to do is slam her own party. Instant MAGA stardom!“
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 20, 2022, 12:06:53 PM
Post by: hvybarrels on October 20, 2022, 12:19:51 PM
Do you want to crush the commies and win our rights back, or do you want to pull out the knives and have an ideological purity fight?
The Democratic Party chose the latter and now they are about to go extinct
Let’s figure out what we are going to replace the 2 party system with before someone else does that for us
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 20, 2022, 12:28:23 PM
The Democratic Party chose the latter and now they are about to go extinct
Let’s figure out what we are going to replace the 2 party system with before someone else does that for us
Not gonna happen. Only the actual smarter ones are leaving. They have many sheep who will follow without question.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 20, 2022, 12:43:33 PM
Not gonna happen. Only the actual smarter ones are leaving. They have many sheep who will follow without question.
More voters have identified as Independent the last decade than ever before.
Both main parties in the "system" will be forced to sway the Independents, because they can't count on a victory by simply comparing affiliations with GOP vs. Dems.
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The United States has two major political parties: Democratic and Republican.https://share.america.gov/rise-of-independent-voter/
Ask an American voter which one she or he sides with, and the most likely
answer is: “neither.”
Recent polls say at least 4 in 10 Americans identify as politically independent,
even if they tend to “lean” Republican or Democratic on the issues.
Only 3 in 10 identify as Democrats and the other 3 in 10 identify as Republicans.
The Gallup polling organization calls this a “near historical low” for both major parties.
That was in 2016 -- Obama's 1st term just ending. What is your guess the situation has only worsened for the 2 parties?
Many defectors can't reconcile joining the "enemy", so they instead become Switzerland -- taking a neutral affiliation of "Independent."
Post by: hvybarrels on October 20, 2022, 12:44:16 PM
Not gonna happen. Only the actual smarter ones are leaving. They have many sheep who will follow without question.
When the Soviet Union collapsed some of the war hawks on the American right had mental breakdowns. Losing their “forever enemy” robbed them of a big chunk of their own identity.
Apparently much of the pro-2a identity is tied up with being on the permanently-losing side so that even though the goal line is in sight we still can’t believe it.
Post by: robtmc on October 20, 2022, 12:46:16 PM
They became the go along to get along assistant democrat party.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 20, 2022, 12:53:59 PM
When the Soviet Union collapsed some of the war hawks on the American right had mental breakdowns. Losing their “forever enemy” robbed them of a big chunk of their own identity.
Apparently much of the pro-2a identity is tied up with being on the permanently-losing side so that even though the goal line is in sight we still can’t believe it.
"The "still can't believe it" phenomenon is caused mainly by historical norm -- government wants more control, and therefore will never concede an inch to Gun Owners and 2A supporters while looking to take yard after yard.
2A is pro-"The People", and anti-"Tyrannical Government." Why would government support a right that is against their having more power?
So, yeah, it's hard to believe that after 88 years of anti-gun legislation (starting with the NFA in 1934), gun owners are finally reversing the trend of unconstitutional restrictions. We've had to play ball for so long according to the government's rules, we've just accepted that's how it'll be in our lifetime. Up until now, the only other alternatives were ignore the rules and risk prison, or choose to not play the game at all.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 20, 2022, 12:56:35 PM
Sounds about right, the Republican party left me when they lost Reagan as a leader.
They became the go along to get along assistant democrat party.
I remember liking the "Contract with America" the GOP in Congress created. Seemed like a great way to plan and evaluate the successes and failures of the elected politicians point-by-point.
Democrats hated the idea, because they can't get reelected if their records are going to be the main issue.
No matter how bad the GOP has gotten, the Dems have become multiple times worse, maybe because they had a head start. :geekdanc:
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 20, 2022, 12:57:50 PM
When the Soviet Union collapsed some of the war hawks on the American right had mental breakdowns. Losing their “forever enemy” robbed them of a big chunk of their own identity.
Enter the 20 year war in A-stan/Iraq
Post by: aieahound on October 20, 2022, 01:23:33 PM
The vid just showed her shooting a pistol. I would like to see a vid of her running a course with an "assault rifle", or Phub. I don't mind either.
Watch to the end and you’ll get a glimpse of no civilian should ever own a weapon of war Tulsi playing with her AR.
I guess Tulsi does love guns. I don’t know.
https://youtube.com/shorts/TKwP3QCbfV8?feature=share
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 20, 2022, 01:54:00 PM
Watch to the end and you’ll get a glimpse of no civilian should ever own a weapon of war Tulsi playing with her AR.
I guess Tulsi does love guns. I don’t know.
Oh snap
Post by: rpoL98 on October 20, 2022, 03:49:45 PM
sure as shit ain't happening with KHSC being closed.
Post by: WTF?Shane on October 20, 2022, 04:09:50 PM
The vid just showed her shooting a pistol. I would like to see a vid of her running a course with an "assault rifle", or Phub. I don't mind either.
There
Edit: Google search looks like same event/day.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 20, 2022, 05:14:05 PM
There were pics of her at another event with a AR pistol.Droooolllll
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Post by: ren on October 20, 2022, 05:31:39 PM
Post by: punaperson on October 20, 2022, 05:41:15 PM
When the Soviet Union collapsed some of the war hawks on the American right had mental breakdowns. Losing their “forever enemy” robbed them of a big chunk of their own identity.What, specifically, is "the goal line" that "is in sight"?
Apparently much of the pro-2a identity is tied up with being on the permanently-losing side so that even though the goal line is in sight we still can’t believe it.
Post by: ren on October 20, 2022, 05:56:58 PM
Once a person is anti 2a they can never be pro 2a. Mindsets are cast in stone. Don't welcome them or have a dialogue.
<signing out>
Post by: QUIETShooter on October 20, 2022, 06:27:27 PM
Post by: mrgaf on October 20, 2022, 07:38:16 PM
I have a wait and see attitude about Tulsi.
Ditto….
Post by: aieahound on October 20, 2022, 08:54:45 PM
Former Rep. Tulsi Gabbard
@TulsiPress
The stakes are too high to allow politics to get in the way of Congress taking action to pass common sense gun safety legislation. I’ve cosponsored bills to close the gun show loophole, ban assault weapons, require background checks on anyone seeking to purchase a gun & more.”
Glad she “changed her mind” read “ lined her pockets”
From both sides of the till.
Least now it’s our side.
What will she do for Hawaii 2A ?
Any bets ?
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 20, 2022, 09:12:34 PM
This is why our local 2a community is fractured.I have seen celebs use guns just like that to make movies, then state no one needs a weapon of war.
Once a person is anti 2a they can never be pro 2a. Mindsets are cast in stone. Don't welcome them or have a dialogue.
<signing out>
Shes been called out a lot by many after her leaving the dnc vid. Until she comes out and says she was wrong to support the AWB bills or that she was wrong about "assault rilfes", you shouldnt automatically trust her.
Funny how she has yet to mention this.
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Post by: punaperson on October 21, 2022, 07:12:30 AM
This is why our local 2a community is fractured.Wow. Generalize (and overstate) much?
Once a person is anti 2a they can never be pro 2a. Mindsets are cast in stone. Don't welcome them or have a dialogue.
<signing out>
Exactly why is "our local 2a community... fractured"? Let me guess: some people don't hold the same views about various issues as you?
My "mindset" (aka rational skepticism) is based upon 10 years of personal experience dealing with Gabbard (my representative)/her staff on numerous 2A pieces of legislation that she either co-sponsored or supported.
I'd love to see the "dialogue" with Gabbard wherein she explains, in detail, exactly how she was wrong about all those 2A issues in the past, and what evidence (that always existed... there's nothing new re "assault weapons" or "gun show loophole" or "the dangers of CCW", etc.) she has now interpreted as meaning the exact opposite of how she interpreted that evidence just a short time (January 2021) ago. Where is that dialogue? Please post a link to it. Thanks.
Even then... "deeds, not words".
Post by: Rocky on October 21, 2022, 08:05:56 AM
I'd love to see the "dialogue" with Gabbard wherein she explains, in detail, exactly how she was wrong about all those 2A issues in the past, and what evidence (that always existed... there's nothing new re "assault weapons" or "gun show loophole" or "the dangers of CCW", etc.) she has now interpreted as meaning the exact opposite of how she interpreted that evidence just a short time (January 2021) ago. Where is that dialogue? Please post a link to it. Thanks.
Even then... "deeds, not words".
Close as I can find in less than 1 minute.
“Protecting our freedom to defend ourselves and those we love and protecting our rights and freedoms enshrined in the Constitution against a tyrannical power is exactly why we must insure that our right to bear arms shall not be infringed,” she stated.
https://www.ammoland.com/2022/10/gabbard-quits-democrats-in-blistering-critique-with-strong-2a-component/#axzz7iNMj9Jb5
Post by: groveler on October 21, 2022, 08:33:43 AM
Close as I can find in less than 1 minute.She is talking about military/organized militia.
“Protecting our freedom to defend ourselves and those we love and protecting our rights and freedoms enshrined in the Constitution against a tyrannical power is exactly why we must insure that our right to bear arms shall not be infringed,” she stated.
https://www.ammoland.com/2022/10/gabbard-quits-democrats-in-blistering-critique-with-strong-2a-component/#axzz7iNMj9Jb5
Not personal protection from tyrannical government like ours here in Hawaii.
Not personal protection from criminals.
Not your right to arm yourself as you see fit.
Post by: robtmc on October 21, 2022, 08:42:45 AM
No more , no less. Do not believe her epiphany.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 21, 2022, 08:46:58 AM
Close as I can find in less than 1 minute.
“Protecting our freedom to defend ourselves and those we love and protecting our rights and freedoms enshrined in the Constitution against a tyrannical power is exactly why we must insure that our right to bear arms shall not be infringed,” she stated.
https://www.ammoland.com/2022/10/gabbard-quits-democrats-in-blistering-critique-with-strong-2a-component/#axzz7iNMj9Jb5
For anyone else, one can assume the person talking supports AWs. But since this is coming from someone who tried to ban them in the past, refer to my post above about she needs to directly address AW's before she gets more 2a support.
Like that TX rep who is from China and her village was slaughtered by the CCP. She stated no one is taking her AR or others AR's away and for her personal life example is the reason why.
Post by: punaperson on October 21, 2022, 09:56:22 AM
Close as I can find in less than 1 minute.She said essentially the same in fewer words when she was in office voting for the "assault weapons" ban, etc.
“Protecting our freedom to defend ourselves and those we love and protecting our rights and freedoms enshrined in the Constitution against a tyrannical power is exactly why we must insure that our right to bear arms shall not be infringed,” she stated.
https://www.ammoland.com/2022/10/gabbard-quits-democrats-in-blistering-critique-with-strong-2a-component/#axzz7iNMj9Jb5
She doesn't explain, at all, why the same evidence for all these issues, that hasn't changed one bit since she was in office calling for bans, etc. in January 2021, now leads her to conclude the exact opposite. Or maybe it's not based on the evidence at all. If not, what is it?
And, as groveler pointed out, she is talking about having arms to resist "a tyrannical power"... not personal protection against criminals.
So I still wanna see the "dialogue" where someone knowledgeable on each issue explores her seeming "transformation" in detail. Maybe she has "good" answers that make sense and are rational. Maybe not. We don't know at this point.
What we do know is that her name is in the headlines every day. Not that there's anything wrong with that...
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 21, 2022, 10:03:04 AM
She is talking about military/organized militia.
Not personal protection from tyrannical government like ours here in Hawaii.
Not personal protection from criminals.
Not your right to arm yourself as you see fit.
This sure sounds like she's advocating for the people, not the military/militia, to keep and bear arms:
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“Our Founders intentionally passed the Second Amendment right after the First Amendment,”
Gabbard said. “The majority ruling from the recent Supreme Court striking down New York’s
law that barred people from concealed carry firearms really summarized clearly why Democrats
are so wrong to try to take away our Second Amendment rights.”
Post by: aieahound on October 21, 2022, 11:02:42 AM
I wonder if she applied for a CCW permit in Honolulu, or Maui, or Kauai, or the BI (Since you need a different CCW permit for each county) since the Supreme Court decision?
Maybe she’s training to pass the qualification test. :rofl:
She voted against the reciprocity bill, presumably to “keep Hawaii safe”
She’s full of shibai.
But at least now she’s spittin’ out pro-2A crap.
Odd though that no mention of Modern Sporting Rifles aka assault rifles even though she apparently enjoys shooting them for sport.
Hope we can get her to testify before the Legislature next session.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 21, 2022, 11:10:58 AM
I think she’s referring to CCW since she got denied in Hawaii through back channels, never officially applied by any accounts, and realizing she won’t have armed security her whole life.
I wonder if she applied for a CCW permit in Honolulu, or Maui, or Kauai, or the BI (Since you need a different CCW permit for each county) since the Supreme Court decision?
Maybe she’s training to pass the qualification test. :rofl:
She voted against the reciprocity bill, presumably to “keep Hawaii safe”
She’s full of shibai.
But at least now she’s spittin’ out pro-2A crap.
Odd though that no mention of Modern Sporting Rifles aka assault rifles even though she apparently enjoys shooting them for sport.
Hope we can get her to testify before t
he Legislature next session.
I wonder if she was ever told not to apply by the chief or their handlers because it would look bad. If she's approved, we will find out. And it sets precedent for lawsuits as the "exceptional circumstance". If she's denied, we would find out and it would make national headlines. She uses "trusted source" told her she would be denied. This could have even been the guys behind the window.
Post by: aieahound on October 21, 2022, 12:29:41 PM
Then, sure enough, officially we all got denied.
HPD window: I don’t know why you’re applying. It’s just gonna get denied.
Us: Just submit it Jerky.
Tulsi didn’t support squat for 2A as a lawmaker and now she’s touting the Supreme Court decision and saying the laws are unconstitutional.
Laws she supported as a lawmaker :wacko: :crazy: ???
Post by: groveler on October 21, 2022, 12:35:04 PM
This sure sounds like she's advocating for the people, not the military/militia, to keep and bear arms:That could be true, but as an engineer such as yourself
I like specific details.
I'm sure you have been in meetings where people were screaming at each other.
or getting very DIRECT orders.
That is how things really get done.
2+2=4 is not a fact it is an agreement.
:geekdanc:
Post by: punaperson on October 21, 2022, 01:01:51 PM
....Or even just a detailed written statement to the legislature on how many of the Hawaii laws are unconstitutional and ought to be remedied ASAP by the legislature (e.g. mag capacity limits, carry license "requirements", etc., etc., etc.).
Hope we can get her to testify before the Legislature next session.
This is gonna be good.
Post by: QUIETShooter on October 21, 2022, 01:01:58 PM
Post by: punaperson on October 21, 2022, 01:03:30 PM
Her father Mike jumped fences couple of times. That's why I will wait and see. Seems to run in the blood.I haven't checked in many months... what's his party affiliation at the moment?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 21, 2022, 01:03:52 PM
That could be true, but as an engineer such as yourself
I like specific details.
I'm sure you have been in meetings where people were screaming at each other.
or getting very DIRECT orders.
That is how things really get done.
2+2=4 is not a fact it is an agreement.
:geekdanc:
It's always nicer when specs are spelled out for you in unambiguous terms, but often you have to take a stab at what the manuals meant -- or should have meant -- and not just what they say literally. I refer you you to Microsoft documentation for decades of prime examples. Never wrong, but simultaneously 100% useless.
Town Halls are held specifically so the average voter can get a straight answer to a specific question (in theory). I think given the abundance of questions and doubts surrounding her party departure, she would be smart to hold a televised/streamed meeting so these questions can be asked and hopefully answered satisfactorily.
We shall see.
****
A helicopter was flying in downtown LA with a news crew when their electronics malfunctioned. They were trying to locate the airport to land, but the nav system was wonky.
The cameraman pointed to a big building and said, "Let's see if we can get someone's attention over there and ask where we are to get our bearings."
So, the pilot turned toward the building, not seeing any sign of what the building might be.
They were able to get the attention of several employees as they hovered near the top floor. One of the crew held up a sign asking, :"Where are we?"
Several employees found some paper and held up the reply, "You're in a helicopter."
The pilot said, "That's great! I know exactly where we are now," and made a course change directly to the airport.
After landing, the cameraman asked the pilot, "How did you know where we were from that answer they gave?"
The pilot smiled and said, "The answer was short, accurate, but completely useless. It had to be the Microsoft building!"
Post by: punaperson on October 21, 2022, 01:10:10 PM
It's always nicer when specs are spelled out for you in unambiguous terms, but often you have to take a stab at what the manuals meant -- or should have meant -- and not just what they say literally. I refer you you to Microsoft documentation for decades of prime examples. Never wrong, but simultaneously 100% useless.I never attended a Big Island "town hall" with Gabbard because I specifically asked the staff if my question would be addressed and they told me "You have to submit your question in writing and the staff will decide which questions are presented publicly." I wouldn't be surprised if the staff WROTE half the questions... smh. She's not gonna do anything that could possibly cast any light on her other than what she wants. I guess we'll see... or not.
Town Halls are held specifically so the average voter can get a straight answer to a specific question (in theory). I think given the abundance of questions and doubts surrounding her party departure, she would be smart to hold a televised/streamed meeting so these questions can be asked and hopefully answered satisfactorily.
We shall see.
...
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 21, 2022, 01:25:49 PM
I never attended a Big Island "town hall" with Gabbard because I specifically asked the staff if my question would be addressed and they told me "You have to submit your question in writing and the staff will decide which questions are presented publicly." I wouldn't be surprised if the staff WROTE half the questions... smh. She's not gonna do anything that could possibly cast any light on her other than what she wants. I guess we'll see... or not.
So you didn't participate because you assumed your question would not be asked?
Now you have no way of knowing if it would not have been picked.
But that's not stopping you from jumping to the accusation that her staff may have written half her questions -- without any evidence.
She and her staff get to set the rules of her meetings. Just because you don't like the rules is no evidence anyone did anything deceitful, unlike Clinton getting the Town Hall questions in advance from then acting DNC chair Donna Brazile.
I'm not saying you don't have a right to your opinion. It would be nice, though, if the opinion was based less on emotion and unfounded smears.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 21, 2022, 01:37:15 PM
Her father Mike jumped fences couple of times. That's why I will wait and see. Seems to run in the blood.
Yes, 1 year he voted to support a mag ban. The next year he voted against a mag ban.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 21, 2022, 01:38:43 PM
I haven't checked in many months... what's his party affiliation at the moment?
DNC. He is in the senate, which only has 1 GOP Kurt Favela (Ewa Beach). Both are on the same committee. Kurt is a reliable pro 2a senator.
Post by: QUIETShooter on October 21, 2022, 01:46:35 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 21, 2022, 02:05:15 PM
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Donald Trump registered as a Republican in Manhattan in 1987; since that time, he hashttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Donald_Trump
changed his party affiliation five times. In 1999, Trump changed his party affiliation to the
Independence Party of New York. In August 2001, Trump changed his party affiliation to
Democratic. In September 2009, Trump changed his party affiliation back to the Republican
Party. In December 2011, Trump changed to "no party affiliation" (independent). In April 2012,
Trump again returned to the Republican Party.[4]
In a 2004 interview, Trump told CNN's Wolf Blitzer: "In many cases, I probably identify more
as Democrat", explaining: "It just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats
than the Republicans. Now, it shouldn't be that way. But if you go back, I mean it just seems
that the economy does better under the Democrats...But certainly we had some very good
economies under Democrats, as well as Republicans. But we've had some pretty bad disaster
under the Republicans."[5] In a July 2015 interview, Trump said that he has a broad range of
political positions and that "I identify with some things as a Democrat."[4]
Every four years, the National Committees of the Republican and Democrat parties hold conventions and decide on the parties' platforms. Some years, the issues and positions change dramatically. Those changes can alienate party members if they don't agree with the changes.
When politicians say, "My party left me," that's a likely factor.
Post by: Rocky on October 21, 2022, 03:47:09 PM
Or even just a detailed written statement to the legislature on how many of the Hawaii laws are unconstitutional and ought to be remedied ASAP by the legislature (e.g. mag capacity limits, carry license "requirements", etc., etc., etc.).
This is gonna be good.
Why don't you just ask her ?
https://twitter.com/tulsigabbard
or
https://www.tulsigabbard.com/contact/
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 21, 2022, 04:19:41 PM
Why don't you just ask her ?I posted a comment asking. I also saw others asking the same.
https://twitter.com/tulsigabbard
or
https://www.tulsigabbard.com/contact/
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Post by: hvybarrels on October 21, 2022, 10:04:09 PM
Like all at the same time
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 21, 2022, 10:28:18 PM
Maybe a lot of us should ask
Like all at the same time
Has anyone actually tried to reach out to her to set up a 2A Town Hall type get together? Maybe at the range ... well, one that's not closed at the moment?
A little food, some shooting, some friendly competition, and a little talk-story-time afterward.
Isn't that the aloha spirit way of welcoming someone to your "community?"
Sugar, not vinegar.
Post by: macsak on October 23, 2022, 12:09:37 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 23, 2022, 01:50:29 PM
For those who take everything literally:
/sarcasm!!!!!!/
Post by: robtmc on October 23, 2022, 07:20:47 PM
A little food, some shooting, some friendly competition, and a little talk-story-time afterward.Just make sure the shooting toys include AR-class stuff.
After all, she has claimed superb knowledge of the platform, right?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 23, 2022, 08:29:09 PM
Just make sure the shooting toys include AR-class stuff.
After all, she has claimed superb knowledge of the platform, right?
According to her Huckabee interview, the Bruen decision was an eye-opener for her. She gets the 2A now, and that the right to keep and bear arms is not something the government has the right to infringe upon. I'm thinking having a stalker and now not being provided free armed security wherever she goes likely plays into her attitude adjustment, too. Just guessing, but that would be good to ask her.
It does sound like she's changed her core belief of how 2A works, and why government isn't supposed to be the gatekeeper of what arms "the people" may use to defend against a tyrannical government. Maybe a less-well-written opinion in Bruen wouldn't have had the same effect. Who knows?
When you are in the military, you get accustomed to rules and regulations that tell you everything you can and can't do. I think she was in that mindset when it came to not allowing individuals, but rather the government, to decide how to defend ourselves and with what firearms.
That's what I took away from the things she said.
I'm simply thinking of how we can try to put her past in the past and honestly give her a chance to help the 2A going forward.
Post by: oldfart on October 23, 2022, 09:21:28 PM
According to her Huckabee interview, the Bruen decision was an eye-opener for her. She gets the 2A now, and that the right to keep and bear arms is not something the government has the right to infringe upon. I'm thinking having a stalker and now not being provided free armed security wherever she goes likely plays into her attitude adjustment, too. Just guessing, but that would be good to ask her.=================
It does sound like she's changed her core belief of how 2A works, and why government isn't supposed to be the gatekeeper of what arms "the people" may use to defend against a tyrannical government. Maybe a less-well-written opinion in Bruen wouldn't have had the same effect. Who knows?
When you are in the military, you get accustomed to rules and regulations that tell you everything you can and can't do. I think she was in that mindset when it came to not allowing individuals, but rather the government, to decide how to defend ourselves and with what firearms.
That's what I took away from the things she said.
I'm simply thinking of how we can try to put her past in the past and honestly give her a chance to help the 2A going forward.
Yeah, that's what I saw in the interview too.
Post by: aieahound on October 23, 2022, 09:45:49 PM
Only Now she gets it ?
Has anyone actually tried to reach out to her to set up a 2A Town Hall type get together? Maybe at the range ... well, one that's not closed at the moment?
A little food, some shooting, some friendly competition, and a little talk-story-time afterward.
Isn't that the aloha spirit way of welcoming someone to your "community?"
Sugar, not vinegar.
Funny.
I’ve NEVER seen YOU at one of our get togethers. ???
Set up a get together with Tulsi Flapp. A bunch of us would show up and she can shoot almost anything legal she wants when the range opens.
Never gonna happen because you would never try to set it up. You’re only lip action. Just an observation, not an attack.
Zippz or CMO or O.F. Might do it, but you wouldn’t show up anyway. Bet dollar.
Good idea though.
No Mo’ range for now. :(
But a GTG with Tulsi would be great. Set it up Flapp. :rofl: :crazy:
Post by: groveler on October 24, 2022, 05:12:58 AM
She was a LAWMAKER !If I thought you guys would show up,
Only Now she gets it ?
Funny.
I’ve NEVER seen YOU at one of our get togethers. ???
Set up a get together with Tulsi Flapp. A bunch of us would show up and she can shoot almost anything legal she wants when the range opens.
Never gonna happen because you would never try to set it up. You’re only lip action. Just an observation, not an attack.
Zippz or CMO or O.F. Might do it, but you wouldn’t show up anyway. Bet dollar.
Good idea though.
No Mo’ range for now. :(
But a GTG with Tulsi would be great. Set it up Flapp. :rofl: :crazy:
I'd try to set it up on the un-official county
sanctioned range on Saddle road.
Meaning the cops won't mess with you.
However that is a little to brutally wild for most urban
shooters.
The shooters are the RSO's
Standard Hunter Etiquette and safety rules are the only rules.
Might scare you city boys.
Besides Mauna Loa is acting up.
:shaka:
Post by: QUIETShooter on October 24, 2022, 07:17:38 AM
She is likable, beautiful, intelligent, and full of conviction and she is skilled at conveying and convincing others likewise.
But that's the thing. Her convictions change like how a storm changes the desert's landscape.
In a way this describes 99% of our politicians. Yet in a way Tulsi stands out from the rest.
Trump and Tusli on the 2024 ticket. Wow. Now that would be something.
Post by: oldfart on October 24, 2022, 08:04:01 AM
I see Tulsi as a person that adapts to the winds of change. And opportunity.================
She is likable, beautiful, intelligent, and full of conviction and she is skilled at conveying and convincing others likewise.
Trump and Tusli on the 2024 ticket. Wow. Now that would be something.
I would vote Tulsi for pres and Trump for VP. :rofl:
She has a calm demeanor, and also intelligent, articulate, and physically attractive.
That checks all the boxes for me.
People rag on her political past, but we have all done stupid things in the past, right?
Post by: macsak on October 24, 2022, 08:59:29 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 24, 2022, 09:20:13 AM
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People rag on her political past, but we have all done stupid things in the past, right?
Since she burned us in the past, IMO she has to prove herself a lot more before getting my support. She is getting closer since she talked about how HPD would have denied her CCW. And she has been speaking out against other stuff as well. No politician will have 100% of my support as it is human nature to not see eye to eye on every single issue. So it would all depend on who she's running against. But I think she's done with running for anything. She seems to be enjoying life.
What is being shown is how maybe she had to keep her mouth shut about many issues to stay in line with the party. Which is BS also. Be a free speaker. This show the control parties have in politics, which is a bad thing.
Post by: rpoL98 on October 24, 2022, 01:04:54 PM
Has anyone actually tried to reach out to her to set up a 2A Town Hall type get together? Maybe at the range ... well, one that's not closed at the moment?I don't think she's in lovely Hawaii anymore, moved to the mainland a while ago. I guess she might come "home" once in a while to visit family, who knows. seems like Hawaii is distantly in her rear-view mirror, fading.
A little food, some shooting, some friendly competition, and a little talk-story-time afterward.
Isn't that the aloha spirit way of welcoming someone to your "community?"
Sugar, not vinegar.
Post by: QUIETShooter on October 24, 2022, 01:32:54 PM
I don't think she's in lovely Hawaii anymore, moved to the mainland a while ago. I guess she might come "home" once in a while to visit family, who knows. seems like Hawaii is distantly in her rear-view mirror, fading.
Her and Obummer.
Post by: oldfart on October 24, 2022, 01:52:34 PM
I don't think she's in lovely Hawaii anymore, moved to the mainland a while ago. I guess she might come "home" once in a while to visit family, who knows. seems like Hawaii is distantly in her rear-view mirror, fading.=========
Maybe she is smarter than we think. :rofl: :rofl:
A lot of my friends and family have moved away.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 24, 2022, 02:02:43 PM
Since she left Congress, she's now living in Hawaii again.
I might be wrong, but that's what I've been able to turn up.
:geekdanc:
Post by: oldfart on October 24, 2022, 02:14:47 PM
According to her Twitter and other sites that track celebs/politicians, she moved to DC when she was in the US Congress.===============
Since she left Congress, she's now living in Hawaii again.
I might be wrong, but that's what I've been able to turn up.
:geekdanc:
stalker
LOL
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 24, 2022, 02:16:50 PM
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stalker
LOL
I assumed stalkers needed more than a few web searches to be branded! :shake:
Post by: hvybarrels on October 24, 2022, 02:24:52 PM
I assumed stalkers needed more that a few web searches to be branded! :shake:
It’s a whole new era of stupid
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We need all the allies we can muster
Post by: aieahound on October 24, 2022, 02:57:27 PM
We need all the allies we can muster
That I can agree with. :thumbsup:
Post by: dafrtknocker on November 02, 2022, 09:10:16 PM
https://tulsi.substack.com/p/2nd-amendment-our-right-shall-not?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
Post by: Heavies on November 02, 2022, 09:45:21 PM
Post by: hvybarrels on November 02, 2022, 10:11:33 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 03, 2022, 08:44:18 AM
Tulsi - 2nd Amendment: Our right 'shall not be infringed'
https://tulsi.substack.com/p/2nd-amendment-our-right-shall-not?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
She has yet to specify if this applies to "assault rifles". Because many anti 2a politicians also state they support the 2a, but with reason.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 03, 2022, 11:00:42 AM
She has yet to specify if this applies to "assault rifles". Because many anti 2a politicians also state they support the 2a, but with reason.
If you need to see/hear the words "I am 100% opposed to an assault rifle [sic] ban," then, no, she didn't say that explicitly.
What she did have to say on that specific issue was this:
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They argued these restrictions would inevitably lead to confiscation, and that as the power
of government expanded, it was even more essential that we protect our Second Amendment.
Mention of a ‘tyrannical government’ seemed so off-base to me, I didn’t give it much thought.
I brushed off their objections and supported seemingly rational ideas like limited capacity
magazines and banning assault rifles.
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President Biden relentlessly pushes for gun confiscation and reinstating the assault weapons
ban. Meanwhile, they are politicizing Federal agencies like the Department of Justice and
Homeland Security, and using them to target law-abiding Americans who oppose the radical
so-called woke agenda of this Administration. They are dangerously showing their authoritarian
instincts through their rhetoric, policies, and actions — undermining our God-given freedoms
enshrined in the Constitution at every turn.
The actions of today’s Democrat party and the Biden Administration are proving how visionary
our founders were in ensuring the Second Amendment came after the First Amendment. We
cannot fold under the pressure of tyranny. Our rights shall not be infringed.
Taken in the context of her new position on the Second Amendment, it's safe to assume she would oppose an AWB if she were again a lawmaker.
Since she's no longer an elected official, it's really not as important how she would vote on a new AWB. The fact that she now sees the true purpose of 2A (not "hunting or hobby"), I think she gets it, and that the potentially tyrannical government we arm ourselves against has no right to dictate which weapons we have as "arms."
That's how I read it.
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One of the most common arguments used to undermine gun rights will usually sound like:
“Our founders only had muskets; they never imagined the high powered firearms available
to citizens today.” In fact, immediately following the Supreme Court’s ruling on the case of
New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen, New York’s Democrat Governor Kathy Hochul
immediately excoriated the decision at a press conference where she recited this tired talking point.
However, it was what she said immediately prior to this that unmasks how many Democrats truly
feel about the second amendment and our Constitution as a whole. Governor Hochul’s comments
were as follows:
“And I’m sorry this dark day has come, that we’re supposed to go back to what was in place
since 1788 when the Constitution of the United States was ratified. And I would like to point
out to the Supreme Court Justices that the only weapons at the time were muskets.
I’m prepared to go back to muskets.”
Let’s step back and dissect that for a moment. Governor Hochul considers it a dark day for her constituents
in New York to reclaim the rights promised to them under our Constitution; ones that she and the Democrat
controlled state legislature were infringing upon. These remarks were unprepared, as news of the ruling
broke during an already scheduled press conference – and so thanks to this rare moment of unfiltered honesty,
we now know her true feelings. Governor Hochul fundamentally disagrees with the original intent of the
second amendment.
Post by: aieahound on November 04, 2022, 12:16:25 PM
https://gettr.com/post/p1wmrz917e5
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