Post by: ren on October 11, 2022, 06:30:22 PM
https://www.khon2.com/local-news/driving-on-plastic-recycled-asphalt-coming-to-hawaii/ (https://www.khon2.com/local-news/driving-on-plastic-recycled-asphalt-coming-to-hawaii/)
When the roads wears where does the plastic go?
Post by: eyeeatingfish on October 11, 2022, 09:40:59 PM
Post by: oldfart on October 12, 2022, 07:32:44 AM
plastic asphalt============
https://www.khon2.com/local-news/driving-on-plastic-recycled-asphalt-coming-to-hawaii/ (https://www.khon2.com/local-news/driving-on-plastic-recycled-asphalt-coming-to-hawaii/)
When the roads wears where does the plastic go?
just shut up and drink your kool-aid ren
:rofl:
but seriously, where does it go?
I would imagine the same place where all the tons of tire dust ends up...a sewer sludge pond and landfill.
Post by: Rocky on October 12, 2022, 08:43:22 AM
plastic asphaltDown the storm drain into the ocean.
https://www.khon2.com/local-news/driving-on-plastic-recycled-asphalt-coming-to-hawaii/ (https://www.khon2.com/local-news/driving-on-plastic-recycled-asphalt-coming-to-hawaii/)
When the roads wears where does the plastic go?
Probably trying to use plastic cuz the price of oil used for real asphalt is too high
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 12, 2022, 11:35:38 AM
I can see calling it "plastic road surface" or something, but asphalt is, well, asphalt.
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Asphalt, also known as bitumen (UK: /ˈbɪtjʊmɪn/, US: /bɪˈtjuːmən, baɪ-/),[1] is ahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asphalt
sticky, black, highly viscous liquid or semi-solid form of petroleum. It may be
found in natural deposits or may be a refined product, and is classed as a pitch.
Before the 20th century, the term asphaltum was also used.[2] The word is derived
from the Ancient Greek ἄσφαλτος ásphaltos. The largest natural deposit of asphalt
in the world, estimated to contain 10 million tons, is the Pitch Lake located in
La Brea in southwest Trinidad (Antilles island located on the northeastern coast of
Venezuela), within the Siparia Regional Corporation.[3]
The primary use (70%) of asphalt is in road construction,[4] where it is used as
the glue or binder mixed with aggregate particles to create asphalt concrete. Its
other main uses are for bituminous waterproofing products, including production
of roofing felt and for sealing flat roofs.[5]
I guess people have no imagination. It's like the "dumbed down" version invented for executives to grasp became the official version.
Names should be chosen for the item, not reused based on function.
Me: Is that concrete? The specs called for asphalt.
Him: That's Concrete Asphalt.
Me: So, it's concrete?
Him: Yes, but we are using it place of asphalt, so we call it Concrete Asphalt.
Me: Why not just call it what it is -- Concrete?
Him: Because the plans call for asphalt, silly.
Me: :crazy:
Post by: MassConfusion on October 13, 2022, 08:10:55 AM
Example, in Waikiki there is a particular hotel that had their outer facade tiled and grouted with epoxy grout. I may have not fallen out yet but it is definitely not the same color it was. There man made stones, one goes by the name of quartz. They do not hold up well outdoors either, serious warping.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 13, 2022, 10:52:19 AM
While it is covered in tarry gooey goodness it should hold up for a while. Guessing that once the tar is worn off it will degrade into nothing. Plastics don't hold up well under UV. As long as it is not a large percentage of the add in aggregate it shouldn't be too bad. IMHO but im no engineer.
Example, in Waikiki there is a particular hotel that had their outer facade tiled and grouted with epoxy grout. I may have not fallen out yet but it is definitely not the same color it was. There man made stones, one goes by the name of quartz. They do not hold up well outdoors either, serious warping.
If they treat it with chemicals to stop UV absorption, the plastic won't break down from sunlight exposure.
Seems to me, being that roads are in sunlight half the time, they would do that.
Vinyl (plastic) fencing material is treated to resist UV, giving them a lifetime warranty against such damage.
Just saying ....
Post by: drck1000 on October 13, 2022, 11:59:04 AM
If they treat it with chemicals to stop UV absorption, the plastic won't break down from sunlight exposure.Tell that to the folks in Guam. . . jus sayin
Seems to me, being that roads are in sunlight half the time, they would do that.
Vinyl (plastic) fencing material is treated to resist UV, giving them a lifetime warranty against such damage.
Just saying ....
UV and ocean exposure with humidity is no joke there. I swear I've seen fiberglass ladders "rust" (degradation resulting in material flaking) away over a few years. . . those are touted as corrosion-proof :o
Post by: macsak on October 13, 2022, 12:11:33 PM
but not oxidation proof...
Tell that to the folks in Guam. . . jus sayin
UV and ocean exposure with humidity is no joke there. I swear I've seen fiberglass ladders "rust" (degradation resulting in material flaking) away over a few years. . . those are touted as corrosion-proof :o
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 13, 2022, 12:29:47 PM
Tell that to the folks in Guam. . . jus sayin
UV and ocean exposure with humidity is no joke there. I swear I've seen fiberglass ladders "rust" (degradation resulting in material flaking) away over a few years. . . those are touted as corrosion-proof :o
So, fiberglass ladders in Guam are indicative of how plastic "asphalt" roads in Hawaii will fare?
How does that work?
I have a fiberglass ladder. If you leave them outside in the elements, you're going to get some discoloration and staining. Doesn't seem to affect performance or durability so far, and I don't see any flaking. I've owned this for over 8 years and stored it outside next to a shed.
I'm pretty sure you can avoid that by not leaving the ladder exposed to sun, dirt and rain -- like with most tools. Without knowing how they treat "plastic asphalt", I'm only guessing the engineers would have enough common sense to anticipate the effects of UV on the plastic.
I also have a vinyl fence. The documentation says if you buy white, it is more resistant to UV because adding pigment to the plastic interferes with that protection. They also say to not paint the fence, as that also can break down the UV protection. The fence is as sturdy after 15 years as it was new. It came with a lifetime warranty for the buyer, and a transferrable 50-year warranty if I sell the property.
So, while I'm not knowledgable on the exact composition of the plastic asphalt, I do know there are solutions to protect plastic from UV rays.
:shaka:
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 13, 2022, 12:38:48 PM
I also have a vinyl fence. The documentation says if you buy white, it is more resistant to UV because adding pigment to the plastic interferes with that protection. They also say to not paint the fence, as that also can break down the UV protection. The fence is as sturdy after 15 years as it was new. It came with a lifetime warranty for the buyer, and a transferrable 50-year warranty if I sell the property.
There's some genius who painted a building black across of UFC Gym. When I walk by it at 4pm, I can feel the heat and I'm about 7 feet away from the wall. Guess they eventually figured it out because now it's white.
When I went to Vegas in 2019, Nathans Hotdogs at the MGM food court had paper straws. This was my first XP with paper straws. It sucked. Fast forward to this year, that same place has plastic straws now. IDK if Vegas also passed a paper straw law. But I do know they allow plastic bags still. Which I enjoyed when we did take out and ate at our room. Not only did we have handles to carry the bag, but the plastic containers wasn't all soggy by the time we walked back to our room.
Post by: drck1000 on October 13, 2022, 12:57:02 PM
corrosion proofUh, did you not google corrosion?
but not oxidation proof...
#notanengineer
Post by: drck1000 on October 13, 2022, 12:59:12 PM
So, fiberglass ladders in Guam are indicative of how plastic "asphalt" roads in Hawaii will fare?It was a joke Sheldon Cooper. . . ;D
How does that work?
I have a fiberglass ladder. If you leave them outside in the elements, you're going to get some discoloration and staining. Doesn't seem to affect performance or durability so far, and I don't see any flaking. I've owned this for over 8 years and stored it outside next to a shed.
I'm pretty sure you can avoid that by not leaving the ladder exposed to sun, dirt and rain -- like with most tools. Without knowing how they treat "plastic asphalt", I'm only guessing the engineers would have enough common sense to anticipate the effects of UV on the plastic.
I also have a vinyl fence. The documentation says if you buy white, it is more resistant to UV because adding pigment to the plastic interferes with that protection. They also say to not paint the fence, as that also can break down the UV protection. The fence is as sturdy after 15 years as it was new. It came with a lifetime warranty for the buyer, and a transferrable 50-year warranty if I sell the property.
So, while I'm not knowledgable on the exact composition of the plastic asphalt, I do know there are solutions to protect plastic from UV rays.
:shaka:
The partially serious part was my personal/work experience on how things in Guam don't last. Even the "best" stainless steel corrodes super fast. Freaken amazing actually.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 13, 2022, 01:17:29 PM
It was a joke Sheldon Cooper. . . ;D
The partially serious part was my personal/work experience on how things in Guam don't last. Even the "best" stainless steel corrodes super fast. Freaken amazing actually.
Apparently T-shirt making screens/machines last. If their Mayor who was knee deep in water and still able to make a shirt saying "NASTY", something must have been built to withstand a hurricane. They should hire the guys who made the machine to make the roads.
Post by: macsak on October 13, 2022, 01:33:34 PM
i'm an engineer at heart...
Uh, did you not google corrosion?
#notanengineer
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 13, 2022, 02:02:40 PM
heads
i'm an engineer at heart...
not a real engineer
Post by: aletheuo137 on October 13, 2022, 02:03:41 PM
:rofl:
Make sure you use a plastic straw!
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Post by: drck1000 on October 13, 2022, 02:07:04 PM
headsnot a real good engineer at heart apparently. . . ;D
i'm an engineer at heart...
Post by: macsak on October 13, 2022, 02:23:57 PM
not a real good engineer at heart apparently. . . ;D
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 13, 2022, 05:06:56 PM
It was a joke Sheldon Cooper. . . ;D
The partially serious part was my personal/work experience on how things in Guam don't last. Even the "best" stainless steel corrodes super fast. Freaken amazing actually.
That's the only place I've ever been that has concrete utility poles, because they got tired of having to replace the hurricane-destroyed wooden poles so often.
Nothing seems to last there. I went during August, and I don't think I've ever been anywhere as hot as Guam before or since.