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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: hk45c on October 24, 2022, 07:53:33 AM
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I thought I would start this thread to let anyone that has legit status updates. For example has the berm repair work started, any updates on RSO availability, has anything been posted regarding status (please include link) etc
Not looking for rumors, hearsay etc on this thread, let's try to stick to just the facts. :shaka:
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I spoke to a rep from the parks dept last week. (I do have his name)
He said work was supposed to begin today, 10/24.
There was a conflict or problem which delayed the work.
We have aerial surveillance to monitor the situation. :rofl:
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Do you know if RSOs will be available even if they complete the berm work?
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We have aerial surveillance to monitor the situation. :rofl:
Hope that's accurate, thanks.
Release the drones ;D
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Do you know if RSOs will be available even if they complete the berm work?
No, but baby steps. But that is a good point, if anyone has reliable info about RSOs that would be good info, I will update my OP.
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I'm off this Friday, and hopefully for the next few Fridays. Was thinking (mostly joking) about swinging by the area to see progress. There's a good vantage point from the park next door. ;D
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I'm off this Friday, and hopefully for the next few Fridays. Was thinking (mostly joking) about swinging by the area to see progress. There's a good vantage point from the park next door. ;D
I was planning on swinging by to check it out also but keep seeing folks saying it's delayed so I didn't bother. If anyone does see work getting done that's a good update.
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I was planning on swinging by to check it out also but keep seeing folks saying it's delayed so I didn't bother. If anyone does see work getting done that's a good update.
My buddy lives near there and sometimes takes his kids to that park. Good "excuse" to spend time with them. Plus test out my new range finding binos. Haha
Will certainly update if I check it out.
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My buddy lives near there and sometimes takes his kids to that park. Good "excuse" to spend time with them. Plus test out my new range finding binos. Haha
Will certainly update if I check it out.
What range finding binos you have and do you like them? Interested in getting some myself.
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What range finding binos you have and do you like them? Interested in getting some myself.
Leica 3200. Ended up getting a super good deal on one. I did a lot of research. Hit me up if you want more info. Seems like many brands/models have been out of stock for forever.
I haven't had them long, and haven't tested them beyond glassing out my condo window. From what I have seen, the glass is amazing. At least compared to a mid-range Vortex binos, and seemingly on par with couple of my nicer rifle scopes.
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Leica 3200. Ended up getting a super good deal on one. ...
Nice! I need to save up for a pair.
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Nice! I need to save up for a pair.
Yeah. I wasn't planning on spending that much, but EuroOptic ran a special and got it "close". Or closer.
Hopefully the range opens soon. You can check it out one range day. I took a chance and just bought it, but so far not regretting it.
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Yeah. I wasn't planning on spending that much, but EuroOptic ran a special and got it "close". Or closer.
Hopefully the range opens soon. You can check it out one range day. I took a chance and just bought it, but so far not regretting it.
I bought a Tippmann M4-22 which is a 22LR AR15 when they announced 22LR only. It arrived 2 days ago LOL. So I too hope the range re-opens so I can sight it in and have some fun with it.
I had not been into shooting for almost 10 years and I decided to get back into it. Bought a HK45C and a Ruger SP101 to get back into the sport only to have them shut things down. Honestly I think I jinxed it, LOL.
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I bought a Tippmann M4-22 which is a 22LR AR15 when they announced 22LR only. It arrived 2 days ago LOL. So I too hope the range re-opens so I can sight it in and have some fun with it.
I had not been into shooting for almost 10 years and I decided to get back into it. Bought a HK45C and a Ruger SP101 to get back into the sport only to have them shut things down. Honestly I think I jinxed it, LOL.
Did the same with a Taurus TX22 competition and a red dot. At least I got it to the range 1 day before they closed.
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Did the same with a Taurus TX22 competition and a red dot. At least I got it to the range 1 day before they closed.
Nice gun! I don't have any red dot pistols, I have all old school guns. Only my rifles have red dot because I never was into rifles in the past and the rifles I bought had picatinny rails begging for red dots.
I would like to convert my HK45C to red dot but not until things open up again. I had two visits to the range with both of my new pistols but that's really not enough.
Let's hope they open again soon!
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I bought a Tippmann M4-22 which is a 22LR AR15 when they announced 22LR only. It arrived 2 days ago LOL. So I too hope the range re-opens so I can sight it in and have some fun with it.
I had not been into shooting for almost 10 years and I decided to get back into it. Bought a HK45C and a Ruger SP101 to get back into the sport only to have them shut things down. Honestly I think I jinxed it, LOL.
Awesome! We have a bolt action .22 lr rifle thread going, but lots of folks are into .22 lr semi-auto, including precision shooting. All fun and good to get folks to share experiences. .22 lr rifle was one of those things I long wanted to get into, but had been distracted by other stuff.
Stang is the local HK45 expert, or at least who I think of when comes to that gun. Similar for Ruger SP101 and other revolvers. Lots of love for the wheel guns here too.
Hopefully the range gets up and running again soon. I had been slammed with work the past couple of years. Just when my schedule would've allowed me more time to hit the range, bam, shut down. Until then, good to discuss and keep people involved and interested in shooting sports and 2a in general.
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Awesome! We have a bolt action .22 lr rifle thread going, but lots of folks are into .22 lr semi-auto, including precision shooting. All fun and good to get folks to share experiences. .22 lr rifle was one of those things I long wanted to get into, but had been distracted by other stuff.
Stang is the local HK45 expert, or at least who I think of when comes to that gun. Similar for Ruger SP101 and other revolvers. Lots of love for the wheel guns here too.
Hopefully the range gets up and running again soon. I had been slammed with work the past couple of years. Just when my schedule would've allowed me more time to hit the range, bam, shut down. Until then, good to discuss and keep people involved and interested in shooting sports and 2a in general.
I'm no HK45 expert. I just went overboard and got the 45 and 45C recently. but I do like them a lot
I haven't shot the HKP30L with the compensator yet, or without the compensator, I haven't shot it at all yet
I've been reloading some hot 44 ammo for when they do re-open. and reloading some not so hot 44 ammo too, cowboy loads
I was planning on doing my own recon mission at kokohead later this week
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I'm no HK45 expert. I just went overboard and got the 45 and 45C recently. but I do like them a lot
I haven't shot the HKP30L with the compensator yet, or without the compensator, I haven't shot it at all yet
I've been reloading some hot 44 ammo for when they do re-open. and reloading some not so hot 44 ammo too, cowboy loads
I was planning on doing my own recon mission at kokohead later this week
I shot a HK45 during my pistol certification course and loved it so I purchased a HK45C LEM. I love the LEM trigger, such a constant light pull.
When I bought the 45C the gun shop rep showed me a HK USC they just got in and I decided to pull the trigger on that also.
What do you shoot that takes the 44 ammo?
Do report back if you recon over the weekend.
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I shot a HK45 during my pistol certification course and loved it so I purchased a HK45C LEM. I love the LEM trigger, such a constant light pull.
When I bought the 45C the gun shop rep showed me a HK USC they just got in and I decided to pull the trigger on that also.
What do you shoot that takes the 44 ammo?
Do report back if you recon over the weekend.
on my HK's I like the DA/SA trigger. I like the manual safety, decocker. but to each his own. either way they are quality pistols for sure!
In 44magnum I have a few options: Ruger Super Blackhawk, Super Blackhawk Hunter, Redhawk, Vaquero, S&W 629, Colt Anaconda. you could say that I love the 44 magnum! :shaka:
I'll report what see over the weekend
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on my HK's I like the DA/SA trigger. I like the manual safety, decocker. but to each his own. either way they are quality pistols for sure!
I also like having a safety and decocker but the trigger pull is just so sweet on the LEM I decided to try it. I have a S&W 639 and a S&W 3914 which would be my CCW if that ever happens, they both have safety and decock when safety is applied. I am more used to that arrangement. The 45C is mostly for the range unless I become more comfortable with it.
In 44magnum I have a few options: Ruger Super Blackhawk, Super Blackhawk Hunter, Redhawk, Vaquero, S&W 629, Colt Anaconda. you could say that I love the 44 magnum! :shaka:
That's one hell of a nice revolver collection! I have a Ruger Single Six which has 22lr and 22mag cylinders you can swap. It's crazy accurate, one of my best. I just acquired a Ruger SP101 357mag but didn't get much range time before they closed.
I'll report what see over the weekend
Great :shaka:
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I also like having a safety and decocker but the trigger pull is just so sweet on the LEM I decided to try it. I have a S&W 639 and a S&W 3914 which would be my CCW if that ever happens, they both have safety and decock when safety is applied. I am more used to that arrangement. The 45C is mostly for the range unless I become more comfortable with it.That's one hell of a nice revolver collection! I have a Ruger Single Six which has 22lr and 22mag cylinders you can swap. It's crazy accurate, one of my best. I just acquired a Ruger SP101 357mag but didn't get much range time before they closed.Great :shaka:
I always wanted one of those Single Six convertibles with the 22mag cylinder. I have the Single Ten which I just put a red dot on, maybe out of boredom and I had an extra red dot that I took off another pistol. the SP101 is a classic 357 from Ruger, can't go wrong with one of those. :shaka:
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I always wanted one of those Single Six convertibles with the 22mag cylinder. I have the Single Ten which I just put a red dot on, maybe out of boredom and I had an extra red dot that I took off another pistol. the SP101 is a classic 357 from Ruger, can't go wrong with one of those. :shaka:
I opted for the Single 10, too, because
(1) it was on sale at OGC/in stock,
(2) I knew I'd be using LR ammo almost all the time.
(3) I liked the 10-round capacity better -- the convertible version only came with 6-round cylinders.
I'v sold it since, but I really enjoyed shooting it. Takes patience though, The single action design can be slow when ejecting brass and loading one round at a lime (forget speed loaders!).
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I opted for the Single 10, too, because
(1) it was on sale at OGC/in stock,
(2) I knew I'd be using LR ammo almost all the time.
(3) I liked the 10-round capacity better -- the convertible version only came with 6-round cylinders.
I'v sold it since, but I really enjoyed shooting it. Takes patience though, The single action design can be slow when ejecting brass and loading one cylinder at a lime (forget speed loaders!).
same here. OGC had it in stock so I bought it. and figured I'd mostly be shooting 22LR. if I wanted to shoot hotter ammo, I could always shoot one of my 357's.
but I still want one of those single six convertibles
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https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2022/10/26/closure-oahus-only-public-shooting-range-draws-questions-about-lead-hazards/
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It was the lead/lead story on the 10pm news.
Knudsen is implying that since some range officers have elevated lead levels, then the range should be shut down.
The city won't (prohibited!!) confirm the range officer story since that would be a HIPAA violation.
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HIPAA Security Rule. The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA) is a federal law that required the creation of national standards to protect sensitive patient health information from being disclosed without the patient’s consent or knowledge
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If Knudsen continues to dig into this can of worms, it could cause trouble for every shooting range and open himself up for a medical privacy lawsuit.
I heard that someone was investigating the Pu'uloa pistol range because it is built right on the beach and testing showed high lead levels in the sand.
Other places come to mind like Schofield and the police indoor range in Waipahu....and just about every shooting range in the world.
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https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2022/10/26/closure-oahus-only-public-shooting-range-draws-questions-about-lead-hazards/
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It was the lead/lead story on the 10pm news.
Knudsen is implying that since some range officers have elevated lead levels, then the range should be shut down.
The city won't (prohibited!!) confirm the range officer story since that would be a HIPAA violation.
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HIPAA Security Rule. The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA) is a federal law that required the creation of national standards to protect sensitive patient health information from being disclosed without the patient’s consent or knowledge
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If Knudsen continues to dig into this can of worms, it could cause trouble for every shooting range and open himself up for a medical privacy lawsuit.
I heard that someone was investigating the Pu'uloa pistol range because it is built right on the beach and testing showed high lead levels in the sand.
Other places come to mind like Schofield and the police indoor range in Waipahu....and just about every shooting range in the world.
I am just hoping this part of the article is true.
He did send a statement on behalf of the Director of the Department of Parks and Recreation, Laura Thielen:
“The City’s Department of Parks and Recreation is working to immediately improve safety at the Koko Head Shooting Complex by adding a thick layer of clean dirt to the existing berms, encapsulating the existing berm and providing a greater protective layer that will help prevent any inert material kick-back. In the longer term, the City plans to undertake capital improvement projects that will not only improve the user experience, but improve – above and beyond what is required for daily operational maintenance and cleaning by the EPA – the safety conditions at the shooting range. We are being overly cautious, in the interest of public safety, and we appreciate the patience of the public as we work to implement these improvements.”
I talked to a few of the RSOs before the range closed and they actually mentioned that a few RSOs were found to have high lead levels and one mentioned that one of them was now working at hanauma bay. Honestly it makes sense they would get exposure to lead because they have no cleaning facilities other than the bathroom which is a long walk away. So the RSOs have no means to wash their hands regularly. You see them eating all the time and they leave food out in the open were it can also get lead exposure. They need to have a place inside to eat, wash hands, etc
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Maybe try moving the target stands over 1 width so shooters re not continuing to pummel the same lead laden background. :geekdanc:
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1 has to wonder if the downward angle of the rifle side adds to the lead contamination of the land. Now you have heads in the dirt between 75 and 100 yards. Compared to a level shooting range where the heads all go to the back stop regardless of what distance the target is. And if they use a man made backstop like how they have at certain military ranges which can be replaced easier than cleaning up dirt. Refer to vid below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccPguV6CY6M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIiCTl3Zkjc
Then there's Clark County (Vegas) range that's level. And you can set up targets at closer distances, which would reduce shots into the ground.
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Just a hypothetical... If lead is found in the water near the range, do we think it's from the range or the tons of lead, thrown for years, off the ledges at Bamboo ridge and now stuck to the bottom?
I don't see our Feline fan pushing to close the recreational Ulua fishery :crazy:
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https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2022/10/27/after-dodging-questions-city-confirms-several-workers-shooting-range-have-elevated-lead-levels/ (https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2022/10/27/after-dodging-questions-city-confirms-several-workers-shooting-range-have-elevated-lead-levels/)
A news release issued by the city cited a staffing shortage.
The situation has community members incensed.
“I find this to be blatantly dangerous and irresponsible,” said Greg Knudsen, a member of the Hawaii Kai Neighborhood Board. “Why aren’t people warned that there is at least the potential for a serious health risk?”
Knudsen has had longstanding concerns about the possibility of lead contamination at the range.
Exposure can cause a variety of serious heath issues and harm the brain and central nervous system.
The issue was discussed in Tuesday night’s neighborhood board meeting.
“This (is something) the city has intentionally ignored because I have been asking since mid-August and have gotten no response,” Knudsen said.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PNHKMSwqXE
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Deeply concerned about slightly elevated levels of lead in range staff
Probably 5x boosted
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I don't think anyone should underestimate the claims of lead exposure on the range. I know for OSHA standards, you're required to have training and "full body" coverings along with a respirator, googles, etc. to clean an indoor range.
While KHSC is not an indoor range, volunteers or staff who disturb the earthen backstop could definitely be exposed to the same amounts of lead aerosol or particulate as an indoor shooting range trap.
Is this the case? I don't know, but it certainly sounds plausible. When it's windy the dirt walking up to the target line can kick up. If you were "raking" or "shoveling" the backstop, it could easily be 100x worse, especially considering that the only PPE people are probably wearing when they do so are sunglasses...
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To think from 1958 to 68 I lived in a house with asbestos siding and my father and I would paint our boat trailer with red lead paint. I also worked in the pineapple fields for 2 summers which was sprayed with DDT powder. Guess I was lucky because at age 72 I have no health problems, don't take any prescription drugs and still doing tree work on a part-time basis.
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To think from 1958 to 68 I lived in a house with asbestos siding and my father and I would paint our boat trailer with red lead paint. I also worked in the pineapple fields for 2 summers which was sprayed with DDT powder. Guess I was lucky because at age 72 I have no health problems, don't take any prescription drugs and still doing tree work on a part-time basis.
DDT is also a powerful fat burner, but banned in the US maybe like 8 years ago. Moderation is key, like how fluoride is used in toothpaste and like products for human use, but also in rat poison at much higher dosage.
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To think from 1958 to 68 I lived in a house with asbestos siding and my father and I would paint our boat trailer with red lead paint. I also worked in the pineapple fields for 2 summers which was sprayed with DDT powder. Guess I was lucky because at age 72 I have no health problems, don't take any prescription drugs and still doing tree work on a part-time basis.
Asbestos and lead paint aren't really dangerous if they are well-maintained, which would be similar to shooting bullets into dirt that is undisturbed. However, if products made of asbestos or surfaces covered in lead paint become damaged, then there is a risk of it being absorbed by the body. Disturbing the backstop of KHSC would be like using a grinder on an asbestos pipefitting or sander on a surface painted in lead paint, in terms of generating the dangerous particulate. This is why I think any maintenance or adjustments to the backstop should be done by professionals who have PPE, because it is for sure far more dangerous than being an avid shooter in terms of lead exposure.
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Deeply concerned about slightly elevated levels of lead in range staff
Probably 5x boosted
Notice that nobody will quantify "Elevated" , or "above normal"
How about some numbers instead of Media speak for the shock value.
Were the lead levels in the dangerous range? And only half of the staff?
Was something besides employment contributory?
As Stack_exchange says lead is dealt with routinely in industry through proper testing and mitigation IF a problem is found.
Air sampling is a regular event in the shipyard business and there are any number of labs that can do it.
The range needs to be fully operational as on a normal weekend for valid sampling, however.
Anything less would be useless.
Mitigation might be as simple as wearing the appropriate HEPA respirator, or reducing hours worked.
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To think from 1958 to 68 I lived in a house with asbestos siding and my father and I would paint our boat trailer with red lead paint. I also worked in the pineapple fields for 2 summers which was sprayed with DDT powder. Guess I was lucky because at age 72 I have no health problems, don't take any prescription drugs and still doing tree work on a part-time basis.
Lets not forget those #2 lead pencil's we sucked on all thru grade school. >:D
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5.0 microgram per deciliter is the C&C tipping point.
Once again lead blood level were released about a month after the shut down RSO talking about high lead levels most likely did their own testing. Worker resigned to hanauma did testing way earlier then staff.
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CDC guide to lead blood levels.
https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/ables/ReferenceBloodLevelsforAdults.html
My understanding is C&C recently lowered the acceptable level to 5 micrograms.
Coincidence???
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CDC guide to lead blood levels.
https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/ables/ReferenceBloodLevelsforAdults.html
My understanding is C&C recently lowered the acceptable level to 5 micrograms.
Coincidence???
No. This is Hawaii. In my opinion this is another stall tactic until the legislature re-convenes.
All part of the plan. Stall tactics are a major strategy for Democratic Gun Control.
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About 5 years ago I was at Magnum range. Saw one of the employees sweeping the range with a broom and regular dust or n95 mask, which is a
safety issue since your supposed to use a special vacuum, respirator, and be suited up. I tell him you should ask the boss for better safety equipment. Few months later they get shutdown for bad lead poisoning.
I kinda knew there were problems at Koko head with eating in the range, cleanliness, and using brooms to sweep brass which is a no go. I should've said something earlier.
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I kinda knew there were problems at Koko head with eating in the range, cleanliness, and using brooms to sweep brass which is a no go. I should've said something earlier.
It isn't your job to tell them these things. I mean in general, especially with covid in 2020, eating hand held food without washing or Purelling hands first is a no go.
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It isn't your job to tell them these things. I mean in general, especially with covid in 2020, eating hand held food without washing or Purelling hands first is a no go.
How true. Safety starts with each individual.
I mean, that's what was drummed into our heads constantly when I worked construction. And we were exposed to all kinds of chemicals and shit.
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How true. Safety starts with each individual.
I mean, that's what was drummed into our heads constantly when I worked construction. And we were exposed to all kinds of chemicals and shit.
I think it also comes to complacency. Most of the RO's have been there for over a decade.
When I first worked at a bank, I was grossed out cause the tellers would often eat chips after handling money and not washing hands first (precovid). Then about a year in, I began doing it. This is after touching cash and coin for hours.
So I can understand complacency, esp if they've been doing it for years and no problems (that we knew of).
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CDC guide to lead blood levels.
My understanding is C&C recently lowered the acceptable level to 5 micrograms.
No doubt, frantic lobbying to lower it to 0.
Cannot be too safe for liberals.
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I think it also comes to complacency. Most of the RO's have been there for over a decade.
When I first worked at a bank, I was grossed out cause the tellers would often eat chips after handling money and not washing hands first (precovid). Then about a year in, I began doing it. This is after touching cash and coin for hours.
So I can understand complacency, esp if they've been doing it for years and no problems (that we knew of).
I worked at HA for 20 years. I never got complacent. Those days had paper tickets and some of the guys would lick their finger to separate the ticket if it was stuck together. I always used Tacky Finger. No hand sanitizer those days either, but I had rubbing alcohol. If I had to scratch my face because it was itchy, I would use the back of my hand or grab a tissue.