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Title: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: hvybarrels on December 05, 2022, 10:24:22 PM
Includes all the other carbs as well. Could you do it?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cPyFIvCvh8U
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 05, 2022, 11:25:22 PM
Includes all the other carbs as well. Could you do it?

I watched a few of his videos.  Got a lot of good info from them.

So far, I've been doing Keto for 6 months.  I'm down 35-40 lbs, almost no sugar (1-2 grams in some ingredients, normally natural and not added), carbs in the <10 grams per day, no wheat flour, etc.

I've stopped needing Famotidine for GURD, fixed my persistent cough (likely GURD and sinus related), and can do the intermittent fasting with one meal a day, sometimes just a snack.

I'm planning to make keto cheese danish tomorrow. 

Worst part of this eating plan:  with only one meal a day, it takes forever to get around to trying new recipes.   :popcorn:

I did the Adkins Diet many years ago and had great results.  This new one includes smaller amounts of protein, but it's very similar.

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 05, 2022, 11:40:31 PM
One thing to consider:  the keto-friendly products are not cheap.  But, when you stop eating as many meals, assuming you do the intermittent fasting, you offset the cost with less consumption.

Monkfruit sweeteners do very well for me.  The granular and powder types have erythritol added and are used 1:1 as a sugar substitute.  But the liquid Monkfruit works great in iced tea.  Just a few drops in a glass is plenty.

Almond flour and coconut flour are good substitutes for most recipes.  It's amazing how many batters can be made with cheese, like for pizza.

It's like learning a new language .... just have to translate what you already know into new terms.

Costco is carrying some of the keto products like almond flour.  Much of what I get is through Amazon.
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: QUIETShooter on December 06, 2022, 09:31:22 AM
Includes all the other carbs as well. Could you do it?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cPyFIvCvh8U

I'm trying but I guess I'm too weak minded.  I love snacks and basically love to eat.

With that being said I did lose 20 lbs. since retiring 3 years ago.

So anyway I weighed myself and now I’m 28 lbs. lighter than I was 3 years ago.

However I’m concerned that my A1c will be higher.  The readings on my glucose meter seems to suggest this.  I could blame the holidays but I would be deceiving myself.  I’m to blame.

I worked so hard to get off the glipizide medication and wouldn’t surprise me if I go right back on it again.  We’ll see in 2 weeks when I take a blood test and see the Dr.


Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 06, 2022, 11:29:50 AM
No "sugar" is easy, no carbs is harder.

I've done 2 bodybuilding shows, so my max carb allowance was 12g a day for 12-16 weeks.  And protein intake 300g a day.

My first show I went from 175lbs to 123lbs. 2nd show I went from 212lbs to 154lbs.  And all while training max effort in the gym 5x a week and drug free (gear or clen like products).

I loved my cheat days. I could eat as much carbs as I want for 12 hours. The clock starts when ever, so I would do it in the morning like 7am-7pm.  Cause I didn't want to waste time sleeping.  I would often do 5 cups uncooked riced, 6 cans Aloha Iced Tea, 1 package somen noodles (the blue package), just no fats.

I was never a big dessert fan, but I love my rice.  That is my Achilles Heel.

1 trick we used cause meal prepping sucks.  Make Shoyu chicken and instead of sugar, use stevia or like product.  Just dump the 5lbs bag chicken breast into a big pot with the ingredients and let it cook for like an hour.  No need constant flipping of breast like if you were to grill or pan fry.  This saved hours of cooking a week.  Crock pot works even better. 

When weight training and low carbing, the nice part is you can have as much sodium as you want.  In fact, you need to increase it due to having no carbs to help retain water.

I used to work at a supplement shop and people would also over complicate dieting. It's simple math, burn more calories than you're intaking. So if you want to eat a pizza, go ahead, but you better be running like 20 miles that day.  The easiest way to reduce calories is by cutting sugar/carbs. 

Most people when they low carb it takes them a few weeks for their body to adjust and they don't feel like shit all the time. For me, I felt like shit during my entire diet period (12-16 weeks).  So everyone responds differently.  The other thing is the mind slows down with the lack of carbs.  It was nice my old boss also competed in the 80's. So she would see me on days im really laggy and just tell me to go home.  This helped a lot.  She would also bring me food cause she knew what I was allowed to eat. 

People also forget about the hidden carbs. Like teri sauce that has sugar in it, or katsu breading. 
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: passivekinetic on December 06, 2022, 11:34:28 AM
I've definitely become much healthier after eliminating obvious sugar from my diet (e.g., candies, soft drinks, etc.) and no alcohol, and limited caffeine (dehydrates our precious organs). Great for my wallet too! I am not into the zero carbs thing (I did try it a number of years ago and massive lost weight, but it was not easy to maintain that regimen. Zero added sugar is one thing. Zero carbs is not easy! LOL).

Things like COVID are not as scary as they make it out to be but is not nice to get, and you want to recover sooner with less hassle. So, prioritizing health is crucial.

Also try sleeping earlier and waking up earlier. Sounds simple but it works!
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: QUIETShooter on December 06, 2022, 01:01:06 PM
No "sugar" is easy, no carbs is harder.

I've done 2 bodybuilding shows, so my max carb allowance was 12g a day for 12-16 weeks.  And protein intake 300g a day.

My first show I went from 175lbs to 123lbs. 2nd show I went from 212lbs to 154lbs.  And all while training max effort in the gym 5x a week and drug free (gear or clen like products).

I loved my cheat days. I could eat as much carbs as I want for 12 hours. The clock starts when ever, so I would do it in the morning like 7am-7pm.  Cause I didn't want to waste time sleeping.  I would often do 5 cups uncooked riced, 6 cans Aloha Iced Tea, 1 package somen noodles (the blue package), just no fats.

I was never a big dessert fan, but I love my rice.  That is my Achilles Heel.

1 trick we used cause meal prepping sucks.  Make Shoyu chicken and instead of sugar, use stevia or like product.  Just dump the 5lbs bag chicken breast into a big pot with the ingredients and let it cook for like an hour.  No need constant flipping of breast like if you were to grill or pan fry.  This saved hours of cooking a week.  Crock pot works even better. 

When weight training and low carbing, the nice part is you can have as much sodium as you want.  In fact, you need to increase it due to having no carbs to help retain water.

I used to work at a supplement shop and people would also over complicate dieting. It's simple math, burn more calories than you're intaking. So if you want to eat a pizza, go ahead, but you better be running like 20 miles that day.  The easiest way to reduce calories is by cutting sugar/carbs. 

Most people when they low carb it takes them a few weeks for their body to adjust and they don't feel like shit all the time. For me, I felt like shit during my entire diet period (12-16 weeks).  So everyone responds differently.  The other thing is the mind slows down with the lack of carbs.  It was nice my old boss also competed in the 80's. So she would see me on days im really laggy and just tell me to go home.  This helped a lot.  She would also bring me food cause she knew what I was allowed to eat. 

People also forget about the hidden carbs. Like teri sauce that has sugar in it, or katsu breading.

Yeah, low carbs or no carb diets are really hard.  And I also love my rice.  Trying to not have rice in my life would make me downright miserable.

But I did cut down on rice.  Once in a while I'll eat brown rice and on rare occasions I go all out and cheat and eat white rice with stew or prime rib.  I'm strange.  I simply adore eating prime rib and white rice.

Actually, knowing that I will allow myself to cheat on occasions is what keeps me going.

And I exercise.  When I was working I used to stress-eat and because my job was highly physical, I hardly ever worked out.  But now that I'm retired I do light weight lifting and jump on the elliptical.

I also adhere to the 18/6 rule of fasting.  Fast from 6 pm to 12 pm the next day followed by light lunch and a sensible meal at 6 pm.  In between maybe an apple or something like that.

But cheating once in a while is the best time.  I go all out! :shaka:
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 06, 2022, 02:34:25 PM
If we could all eat what we like IN MODERATION, most would not have any diet problems.

The real issue is, what's "moderate?"  50 years ago, we didn't see Big Gulps, Big Macs, Super-Sizing, etc.

The French are famous for their very delicious, high fat, high carb recipes, but they serve them in very moderate (read "small") portions -- often with wine.  Yet, France has a very low rate of heart disease and certain cancers.

Here in the US, going for seconds and thirds is a common behavior.

I think portion control died a long time ago.  Now we have to offset years of bad habits or large portions with low carb meals and intermittent fasting.

With inflation driving up the cost of food, it's getting harder to make smart choices when a fast food combo meal is not only cheaper but also quicker and easier than shopping and cooking.

To me, it's much easier to tell myself I can have anything I want -- no depriving myself of anything.  But, I also have the choice to pick what I think is best  for me -- no pressure or impulsive decisions.

Don't think about all the things you can't have.  Focus on all the things you can.
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: jonjon on December 07, 2022, 10:38:23 AM
No "sugar" is easy, no carbs is harder.

I've done 2 bodybuilding shows, so my max carb allowance was 12g a day for 12-16 weeks.  And protein intake 300g a day.

My first show I went from 175lbs to 123lbs. 2nd show I went from 212lbs to 154lbs.  And all while training max effort in the gym 5x a week and drug free (gear or clen like products).

I loved my cheat days. I could eat as much carbs as I want for 12 hours. The clock starts when ever, so I would do it in the morning like 7am-7pm.  Cause I didn't want to waste time sleeping.  I would often do 5 cups uncooked riced, 6 cans Aloha Iced Tea, 1 package somen noodles (the blue package), just no fats.

I was never a big dessert fan, but I love my rice.  That is my Achilles Heel.

1 trick we used cause meal prepping sucks.  Make Shoyu chicken and instead of sugar, use stevia or like product.  Just dump the 5lbs bag chicken breast into a big pot with the ingredients and let it cook for like an hour.  No need constant flipping of breast like if you were to grill or pan fry.  This saved hours of cooking a week.  Crock pot works even better. 

When weight training and low carbing, the nice part is you can have as much sodium as you want.  In fact, you need to increase it due to having no carbs to help retain water.

I used to work at a supplement shop and people would also over complicate dieting. It's simple math, burn more calories than you're intaking. So if you want to eat a pizza, go ahead, but you better be running like 20 miles that day.  The easiest way to reduce calories is by cutting sugar/carbs. 

Most people when they low carb it takes them a few weeks for their body to adjust and they don't feel like shit all the time. For me, I felt like shit during my entire diet period (12-16 weeks).  So everyone responds differently.  The other thing is the mind slows down with the lack of carbs.  It was nice my old boss also competed in the 80's. So she would see me on days im really laggy and just tell me to go home.  This helped a lot.  She would also bring me food cause she knew what I was allowed to eat. 

People also forget about the hidden carbs. Like teri sauce that has sugar in it, or katsu breading.

where's the pic's???? or the onlyfans link??? asking for a friend :D
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 07, 2022, 11:56:14 AM
where's the pic's???? or the onlyfans link??? asking for a friend :D

I do need money for ammo.  :rofl:

Side note, I know a gay guy at our gym who does OF and he made enough over the past year to buy a home in HI (cash). He quit his job and everything.  I'll let u figure out what he post on his OF. He's thinking of moving to the mainland soon.
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 07, 2022, 12:00:16 PM

Actually, knowing that I will allow myself to cheat on occasions is what keeps me going.



I only did my diet for a specific reason. So it was only for a short time. I could not maintain this year round.  I would hate life if I did.  AKA crash dieting.

So the key like Flapp also mentioned is moderation. So enjoy food, but in moderation.  Once I hit a certain age, I'm going to eat what ever I want. This would probably be a package of  bacon like every other day.

Crash dieting is good to get the process started for non bodybuilding people, but then maintain after that.  So expect to gain a some weight back, but at least you get to enjoy life.

IMO brown rice sucks. And taste worst with sauces (shoyu, gravy, teri,etc...). 

Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: QUIETShooter on December 07, 2022, 01:11:13 PM


IMO brown rice sucks. And taste worst with sauces (shoyu, gravy, teri,etc...).

I agree.  Plus I get hard time cooking it.  I either burn it, or it is too hard, or too soft.  Even when I put the right amount of water. 

But it helps me manage my blood sugar.  And it's ok when I make it porridge style.
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: Rocky on December 07, 2022, 01:52:06 PM
Wrong time of the year.
It's COOKIE SEASON !   :love:!
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: hvybarrels on December 08, 2022, 04:00:19 AM
I only did my diet for a specific reason. So it was only for a short time. I could not maintain this year round.  I would hate life if I did.  AKA crash dieting.

I’m too heavy for shorty boards and it’s already a week into December. Time for desperate measures.

Day one I ran into a friend who said eliminating sugar and all factory food made his arthritis go away, so I’ll take that as a sign.

Day two the headaches start. Gotta try some of that MCT oil.
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: RSN172 on December 08, 2022, 06:03:04 AM
One thing I always had a problem with is gaining weight. In my late 20s I started weight lifting for several years since I had an office job at Hawaiian Airlines and wasn't getting much exercise. One of my conditioning workouts would be squatting 90 lbs 80 times without stopping. A female Olympic skier had that in her workout routine is why I started it. Anyway I wanted to gain weight and was taking some weight gaining supplements with ice cream and bananas and eating about 6000 calories a day.  In 2 months on a rather expensive weight gaining diet I gained 4 lbs. I stopped that diet.  Didn’t gain weight but my strength and stamina was extremely good.  Today at age 72.5, I pretty much eat what I like, still trimming trees part time and do not need to take any prescription medication.  My BP is usually around 120-130 over 75-90.  My lower number has always been on the higher side.  I thank God everyday for my good health.
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: QUIETShooter on December 08, 2022, 06:03:47 AM
Wrong time of the year.
It's COOKIE SEASON !   :love:!

Yeah, along with a multitude of desserts, cakes, candies....... ;D

It's going to be hard for me to practice moderation.  I love this stuff.

My biggest challenge will be my blood test results when I visit my Dr. in Feb.  We are both excited that my past tests shows that she might be able to eliminate or reduce my medications for diabetes and high blood pressure.

But it sure is a bad time because 'tis the season, lol!!

My family has a tradition of "Secret Santa".  We draw names and then buy for that person anonymously based on their Christmas wish lists that we all submit.

My Christmas wish list?

Maui Caramacs, Chocolate Macadamia Nuts, and Almond Roca!! :rofl:
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 08, 2022, 09:08:01 AM
One thing I always had a problem with is gaining weight. In my late 20s I started weight lifting for several years since I had an office job at Hawaiian Airlines and wasn't getting much exercise. One of my conditioning workouts would be squatting 90 lbs 80 times without stopping. A female Olympic skier had that in her workout routine is why I started it. Anyway I wanted to gain weight and was taking some weight gaining supplements with ice cream and bananas and eating about 6000 calories a day.  In 2 months on a rather expensive weight gaining diet I gained 4 lbs. I stopped that diet.  Didn’t gain weight but my strength and stamina was extremely good.  Today at age 72.5, I pretty much eat what I like, still trimming trees part time and do not need to take any prescription medication.  My BP is usually around 120-130 over 75-90.  My lower number has always been on the higher side.  I thank God everyday for my good health.

When you're doing 80 reps, you're burning way more calories than doing 5 reps and going heavier.  Thus you need to eat more to factor this type of workouts in.  I have people ask me how to gain weight and I say " eat more". Then they say " I do eat a lot".  I tell them, "I said eat more, not eat a lot. So what ever you're eating now isn't enough. So you need to eat more". Then 100% of the time I ask them what they eat then tell them what I eat and they're like "WOW, that's a lot".  So  "eating a lot" is relative to the individual.

Olympians usually have dieticians who tell them what to eat and when.

When I was in my bulking phase, my calories just from carbs was about 5000.  Carbs as in rice, oatmeal, or maldodrexton.  Not sugars like juice or from fruits.
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: Brystont1 on December 10, 2022, 09:16:33 AM
I tried keto and carnivore. Both didn’t work out for me. I felt good but I had no energy and no strength. Lost weight but felt lethargic all the time. What really helped was focusing my meals around protein. I noticed that I could eat more and I would take in less calories. If I choose low calorie high protein foods I noticed that I was way less hungry and I actually had a hard time eating all my food. Down 20lbs and I haven’t even started working out.
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: hvybarrels on December 15, 2022, 11:43:32 AM
Got off track with the flu that’s going around and was taking Manuka honey to try and keep it from going into my lungs. It definitely felt like my metabolism was slowing down when I introduced sugar back in. Recovered from the bug and on the wagon again. So far looks like I lost 5 lbs already. Also doing low carb and intermittent fasting. There’s some dizziness at times but wifey tells me it goes away in a few days. We started at the same time and she never took a break, so now she’s already over the difficult part.
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 15, 2022, 12:41:43 PM
I felt good but I had no energy and no strength. Lost weight but felt lethargic all the time.

This means you're doing the diet correct.  I talk to guys who are doing bodybuilding and natural.  2 weeks out and they feel great. Often they still don't look ready because they feel great.  They should feel like shit and be a zombie in the gym at this point.

The exception is going the PED route.  You can be 2 weeks out and ready and still feel relatively OK.  No zombie.

Also your strength doesn't go up when you lose weight.  Especially when losing a lot of weight. 2-3lbs prob not much of a diff. But 20lbs will be noticeable.  But again, when on gear or clen is the exception.  Guys on PEDs will get bigger while dieting (more muscle, less fat).
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 15, 2022, 12:43:55 PM
Got off track with the flu that’s going around and was taking Manuka honey to try and keep it from going into my lungs. It definitely felt like my metabolism was slowing down when I introduced sugar back in. Recovered from the bug and on the wagon again. So far looks like I lost 5 lbs already. Also doing low carb and intermittent fasting. There’s some dizziness at times but wifey tells me it goes away in a few days. We started at the same time and she never took a break, so now she’s already over the difficult part.

For bodybuilders, it's very common to get sick during your diet. What we do is "soup it" and go off diet for a few days.  You can eat as much soup as you want for the sodium.  For non bodybuilders, people still get sick in the early stages of their extreme dieting. IIRC it's called the "keto flu".

That's good you and  your wife are doing it together. What sucks is watching the other person enjoy food.
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: hvybarrels on December 15, 2022, 10:00:04 PM
For bodybuilders, it's very common to get sick during your diet. What we do is "soup it" and go off diet for a few days.  You can eat as much soup as you want for the sodium.  For non bodybuilders, people still get sick in the early stages of their extreme dieting. IIRC it's called the "keto flu".

That's good you and  your wife are doing it together. What sucks is watching the other person enjoy food.

That’s great to know. I also broke out with a rash on my chest on like day 2 or 3. My theory is that it’s all the toxic crap in my fat getting released.
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: hvybarrels on December 15, 2022, 10:07:26 PM
Found a motivational video

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fgK_lBMMUxQ
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: aletheuo137 on December 16, 2022, 06:08:40 AM
https://youtu.be/ssnUBk_QBfM

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Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: QUIETShooter on December 16, 2022, 07:19:24 AM
With all the wonderful desserts and cookies my family will be making the next two weeks are going to be a nightmare with my resolve. :rofl:
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 16, 2022, 12:28:25 PM
With all the wonderful desserts and cookies my family will be making the next two weeks are going to be a nightmare with my resolve. :rofl:

To each their own. Sweets was nothing for me. I missed white rice. Mrs.CMO on the other hand doesnt eat rice, bread, potato, but has a major sweet tooth.
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: hvybarrels on December 16, 2022, 12:50:16 PM
Today to my wife:

Hey give me a hug.

“What? What are you talking about?”

Just give me a hug and put your arms around the middle.

“Fine okay whatev……HEYYY!”

Yeah right?

“Yeah! That’s great!”

 :shaka: :shaka: :shaka:

Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: Rocky on December 16, 2022, 05:09:47 PM
Today to my wife:

Hey give me a hug.
“What? What are you talking about?”
Just give me a hug and put your arms around the middle.
“Fine okay whatev……HEYYY!”
Yeah right?
“Yeah! That’s great!”
 :shaka: :shaka: :shaka:

   OK, I finally watched the whole vid , then your "Motivational" and then read your wifey comment so I guess I'll go on a sugar jones.
After the New Year  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
(Unless dropping off dozens of Banana Bread Muffins at HPD and HFD counts cuz I didn't eat them  ::) )
Too much breads, desserts, cookies and such, I'd get murderized if I did not please the ladies by eating their goodies.  :love:
Good news is my g2 beer has only 4.6 calories ! :P


   In the meantime, my present "stature" will continue to act as  "active retention " for my passive retention AIWB Holster.  :P
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: hvybarrels on December 16, 2022, 06:46:53 PM
   OK, I finally watched the whole vid , then your "Motivational" and then read your wifey comment so I guess I'll go on a sugar jones.
After the New Year  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
(Unless dropping off dozens of Banana Bread Muffins at HPD and HFD counts cuz I didn't eat them  ::) )
Too much breads, desserts, cookies and such, I'd get murderized if I did not please the ladies by eating their goodies.  :love:
Good news is my g2 beer has only 4.6 calories ! :P


   In the meantime, my present "stature" will continue to act as  "active retention " for my passive retention AIWB Holster.  :P

We have lots of fresh lilikoi at the moment and she’s trying to get me to make a cheesecake with it for Christmas.

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Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: Rocky on December 16, 2022, 07:13:36 PM
We have lots of fresh lilikoi at the moment and she’s trying to get me to make a cheesecake with it for Christmas.

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We get choke too and mine just made Lilikoi Mousse  :P
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: macsak on December 16, 2022, 07:58:25 PM
We have lots of fresh lilikoi at the moment and she’s trying to get me to make a cheesecake with it for Christmas.



TFTI
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: QUIETShooter on December 17, 2022, 10:41:16 AM
We have lots of fresh lilikoi at the moment and she’s trying to get me to make a cheesecake with it for Christmas.

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I love cheesecake.  One of my many weaknesses for dessert.  I never tried lilikoi cheesecake.  I would imagine it would be fricken awesome........

I think all desserts are awesome, lol!!
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 17, 2022, 11:16:15 AM
I love cheesecake.  One of my many weaknesses for dessert.  I never tried lilikoi cheesecake.  I would imagine it would be fricken awesome........

I think all desserts are awesome, lol!!

There are a lot of sugar-free dessert recipes online and on YT.  I made some cheese danish last week that were the bomb!

If you haven't yet, I'd recommend buying a selection of sugar-free sweeteners, and try them in a variety of recipe types.

I found Monk Fruit with Erythritol is a good starting point.  To me, the powdered version works best for cooking whenever powdered sweetener is called for, but it has a weirdness that's hard to describe when used in larger quantities (3/4 cup +).  Some call it a "coolness" as if the product has a cooling effect when eaten.  I think it's more or an artificial or plastic type sensation that reminds me of saccharin.  I believe Splenda's Allulose works much better in batters.  YMMV.

If I were to use the cream cheese topping and drizzle from the Keto recipe on a regular flour-based dough, it would be impossible to tell the toppings are sugar-free.

i tried making an Entenmann's type of danish, but the amount of sweetener used -- all with erythritol --  was overpowering.  i'll try again by mixing up the two danish recipes and switching sweeteners.

Cheesecake is probably one of the few desserts that is easy to make close to the sugar-laden version.  The biggest hurdle is the crust, but there are plenty of variations on that to find a favorite.  Since the majority of the recipe is cream cheese, which is low in carbs, the flavor of the filling will be pretty much the same as the regular cheese cake. 

As for topping, berries are a good choice.  Most of the sugars are reduced when cooked.  blueberries, strawberries, blackberries -- all can be incorporated into the cake and/or drizzled on top when cooked down into a syrup.
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: hvybarrels on December 19, 2022, 12:37:09 PM
Thanks Flapp I was hesitating on the sugar bomb so the monk fruit might be a great solution. Too bad you can’t carmelize it so no apple pie, but it looks like the cheesecake riddle is solved.
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 19, 2022, 01:54:03 PM
TBH, I'm not a fan of sugar substitutes. If you diet well and workout, then you can have a piece of dessert here and there. Like don't eat the entire pie. So moderation is key.  You need to enjoy life a little.  I did use Stevia though for shoyu chicken.  There's a lot of people who claim they can taste stevia, but I can't taste the diff between that, Splenda, or monk fruit. All taste just sweet.

And if you're strict on your diet, then 1 slice wont hurt is the same concept about working out. If you workout 4-5X a week, you can skip a day here and there.  Or end your workout early by skipping a set or exercise every now and then. Mrs. CMO doesn't like this. She likes to get her full workout in.  As I get older, the joints hurt more, so I look for an excuse to skip an exercise.
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 19, 2022, 02:03:59 PM
Thanks Flapp I was hesitating on the sugar bomb so the monk fruit might be a great solution. Too bad you can’t carmelize it so no apple pie, but it looks like the cheesecake riddle is solved.

Unfortunately, almost all fruits contain high levels of natural sugars, so high carb count.

Berries seem to be much better for keto, even though you are eating more than "zero carbs."

https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/keto/fruits

I like the frozen strawberries from Costco for smoothies.  Not a big fan of blueberries, but i'll alternate or mix them with strawberries for smooties.

if you keep the berries frozen before blending, you won't need as much ice.   :thumbsup:

Simple recipe; 
- 1 cup heavy cream, heavy whipping cream or half & half
- 1/2 cup berries -- too many, and the carbs get too high and the smoothie is way thicker from the frozen ingredient.  Just adjust for taste.
- 1/2 tsp vanilla extract
- 1/2 tsp lemon juice
- Sweetener ... i use Monk fruit with erythritol, about 2 tbsp (one scoop ...  I keep it in the bag)

Sometimes i add 2 tbsp cream cheese for that strawberries and cream blended taste.

Biggest problems I found on Keto logistically:

-  Same thing every day gets boring.  Have to research, shop and experiment to find a variety you like.  i can take a week or two to get the ingredients, especially if shopping online.  Luckily, many recipe videos link to the products on Amazon.
-  Can't have non-Keto stuff in the cabinets or fridge.  Too quick and easy to prepare/open high carb foods.
-  Portion control.  After fasting for 18 hours or so, it's easy to eat more than is good for you.  However, the more healthy fats you ate the day before, the less hungry you'll normally feel.  Also, a glass of water with lemon juice and salt before eating (kind of like DIY Gatorade) can reduce the hunger.  That also is supposed to help remedy a fatty liver and provide excellent hydration.
-  Don't have an ingredient a recipe calls for.  Requires planning and effort to gather what's needed to cook the keto dishes.  i just made some tortillas that required Whole Psyllium Husk and Unflavored Whey Isolate Protein, things i never had in the pantry pre-keto.  Other recipes need Xanthan Gum or Guar Gum and one needs Sodium Citrate.  Once you get in the groove with the recipes you like, having the right ingredients will be easier if you already bought.  Not really different than running out of shoyu or ketchup, just harder to find in a pinch sometimes.
-  I have a lifetime of experience making and cooking what i always ate.  These new recipes require more work, like writing down the ingredients, measurements, cooking/baking instructions and process. Just saying the learning continues.  Once you have the recipes down and can do from memory, this won't be a problem.
-  Avoiding over-buying food.  With the reduction in number of meals per day, i don't need as much food.  Buying most things in bulk knowing it will get used before it expires isn't a sure thing now. 
-  Many things you used to buy are now off the diet.  Replacing them with low carb alternatives often means having to make it DIY. ... like the tortillas.  Convenience takes a backseat to eating fewer carbs.
-  Piggybacking on that item, I have to read every label when shopping.  That includes all the Keto and "sugar free" items.  Many of them advertise with words that make them sound keto friendly, but they may contain ingredients that are chemically similar to the sugars we know to avoid.  Cauliflower pizza crust is a biggie, as are non-flour tortillas.  The store-bought brands are often loaded with carbs, even when bragging about what they don't have in them.  Much safer to make your own pizza crust and tortillas.

Those are just some highlights.  I try to focus on all the things i can have, and not dwell on all the things i'm not supposed to. 

I'm a grown-ass man, and i can have whatever I want!  The secret is to want the right things without thinking you're being deprived of anything.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 19, 2022, 02:12:15 PM
TBH, I'm not a fan of sugar substitutes. If you diet well and workout, then you can have a piece of dessert here and there. Like don't eat the entire pie. So moderation is key.  You need to enjoy life a little.  I did use Stevia though for shoyu chicken.  There's a lot of people who claim they can taste stevia, but I can't taste the diff between that, Splenda, or monk fruit. All taste just sweet.

And if you're strict on your diet, then 1 slice wont hurt is the same concept about working out. If you workout 4-5X a week, you can skip a day here and there.  Or end your workout early by skipping a set or exercise every now and then. Mrs. CMO doesn't like this. She likes to get her full workout in.  As I get older, the joints hurt more, so I look for an excuse to skip an exercise.

All depends on the kind of diet you want to be on.

If you're doing keto, then (as we know) that requires you to force your body to burn ketones produced from stored and ingested fats and proteins.  When you cheat with that "moderate' slice of pie, you're throwing a monkey wrench into the process.  it can take days to return to the same level of ketosis just because of that one sugar-filled treat.

Yes, enjoy life, and don't get discouraged if you take a 'cheat' day. Get back on it, and don't make cheating a habit.

Just know what that choice you're making is doing to your diet beyond that few minutes of pleasure.

I did the Adkins Diet and was being very strict about it.  Eating bacon, steak, burgers (bun-less), chicken, fish. shrimp, eggs, and so on was not depriving me of much.  Went to a movie and had a popcorn and soda.  I'd been tracking my ketone levels with test strips, and that one short 'cheat' threw me out of ketosis for almost 5 days.  It took that long for my body to start burning something besides carbs for fuel.

Just saying .... it's your choice.
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: hvybarrels on December 23, 2022, 06:15:58 PM
So far lost between 10-12 lbs. Almost back to shortboard weight, lost the puffiness in my face, and joints feel much better.

Here’s the recipe for keto holiday lilikoi cheesecake I made.

https://www.myrecipes.com/recipe/keto-cheesecake

It came out pretty good. The erythritol is not as sweet as sugar but anything that’s not meat and veggies tastes amazing at this point. Mrs Barrels reported that her stomach did feel a little funny but only after she ate a LOT. Instead of mixing in lilikoi I just made the butter/curd the normal way with erythritol as a straight substitution and spread it  on top like a glaze. That actually turned out way better than expected. As Americans we are used to overpowering sweetness but when you dial it back a bit it makes the experience more pleasant and not as decadent. Bonus points for no sugar crash!

I want to keep going until I fit back into my xl wetsuit which is probably about 25 lbs. She said If I find more recipes like that she will support me by sticking with it as well. I’m sure that having me do more of the cooking also has something to do with it  ;)
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 23, 2022, 06:28:45 PM
There are tons of videos and sites that offer good keto recipes, but this one has to be the most creative and entertaining.

He also approaches recipes scientifically most times, leading to improvements over the majority of similar recipes you might find.

#Because_Ants

https://youtu.be/T578ZNG9oLo
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 23, 2022, 07:40:29 PM
Artificial sweetener is one of those products that won't taste 100% the same from person to person.

I still can't believe people actually liked the taste of Tab cola when it was the only non-sugar soda on the market.  Yet, I know people who couldn't get enough.

We were one of the few families i knew that used saccharine tablets to make iced tea.  We'd brew a gallon at a time, and sub 1/2 the sugar with saccharine.  Reduced the aftertaste most people hated about it.  My mom was a diabetic, so we never had sodas in the house, only tea, water and milk.

I found the liquid monk fruit sweetener for my tea can be used in other things, like the drizzle on cheese danish and the frosting on keto lemon pound cake.  That avoids any side-tastes other than sweetness erythritol might cause, but it's a lot more expensive.  it's very sweet and concentrated, so a little goes a long way.

Like i said, try one type/brand, then use another next time just to get a feel for what tastes right for you.

i found adding lemon to my tea is a good way to use less sweetener.  That's saying a lot, since i grew up in the land of Sweet Tea (Southern US).
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: macsak on December 26, 2022, 08:14:26 PM
review of hvybarrels' keto cheesecake

those of you who know me, know that i am about the furthest from keto that someone could be
so i can give a sugarholic's view of the cheesecake
the mouth feel was exactly like regular cheesecake
it was fatty and decadent
like hvybarrels said, those us who are used to overpowering sugar taste, it wasn't sweet at all
but i can see if you are on a keto diet, it would taste pretty sweet

my mom and i mostly tasted a slightly salty taste and then the lilikoi taste

 :shaka: for the sample, hvy,,,
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: RSN172 on December 26, 2022, 09:21:19 PM
I just made hard toffee candy with pecan nuts and covered with dark chocolate.

No more spending $29.99 a pound for See's Candy for me.  If I had known it was so easy to make I would have done it years ago.
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: hvybarrels on December 27, 2022, 10:24:19 AM
So just a heads up if you make lilikoi butter with erythritol then you should use it right away or else crystals start to form.

Also if you eat too much of that sweetener it will mess with your stomach. Going to try monk fruit next.
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 27, 2022, 01:00:23 PM
So just a heads up if you make lilikoi butter with erythritol then you should use it right away or else crystals start to form.

Also if you eat too much of that sweetener it will mess with your stomach. Going to try monk fruit next.

When people first try Keto, they often experience what some call Keto flu.  Mainly diarrhea and other digestive issues.  Most recommend using pre- and pro-biotic supplements to rebalance the bacteria in the digestive tract.  I found more fiber is a better fix.  Broccoli (with lots of healthy butter and/or cheese  :thumbsup:) and peanuts can help reduce the "Hersey squirts."

I do think the erythritol contributes to the KF.  I was using it in my ice tea a lot.  When I switched to the monk fruit liquid, I noticed a huge improvement.

This goes along with my comment to try a variety of sweeteners.  Erythritol might not have the same effect on everyone.
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: Rocky on December 29, 2022, 12:30:37 PM
Wrong time of the year.
It's COOKIE SEASON !   :love:!

And mind you, EVERY batch required CQ  :crazy: QC and I was very diligent in my duty's.
(https://i.imgur.com/poN7hohm.jpg)

P.S. My friend just brought over a Teds Choco Mac Nut Pie.   :grrr:   :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on January 08, 2023, 01:11:17 PM
This is interesting:  Miracle Berry Tablets

Rather than sweeten the food, this changes the tastebuds.   

You let the tablet dissolve in your mouth before eating, and it alters the tastebuds so sour and similar flavors are now sweet.

It doesn't affect all foods, only the bitter, sour, tart type flavors, so it won't interfere with foods you don't want to be sweeter.

The cost is high IMO for the tablets, but so is putting sweetener on and in everything.

Everyone is different, which is why some artificial or non-sugar sweeteners work for some and not others.  I imagine the same is true with these tablets.

I'm thinking of getting some for my own taste testing.  The brand used in the video below looks promising, but at least one Amazon reviewer said there are other brands that cost more but are more effective and work longer than the Munai tablets.  I'll check out some other brands before ordering.

(https://i.imgur.com/IYNxFQE.png)

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Miracle+Berry+Tablets&crid=VZQIORUUAY7K&sprefix=miracle+berry+tablets%2Caps%2C430&ref=nb_sb_noss_1

https://youtu.be/gwCuKhnJiSE
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: hvybarrels on January 09, 2023, 03:20:09 PM
This is interesting:  Miracle Berry Tablets

Rather than sweeten the food, this changes the tastebuds.   

You let the tablet dissolve in your mouth before eating, and it alters the tastebuds so sour and similar flavors are now sweet.

It doesn't affect all foods, only the bitter, sour, tart type flavors, so it won't interfere with foods you don't want to be sweeter.

The cost is high IMO for the tablets, but so is putting sweetener on and in everything.

Everyone is different, which is why some artificial or non-sugar sweeteners work for some and not others.  I imagine the same is true with these tablets.

I'm thinking of getting some for my own taste testing.  The brand used in the video below looks promising, but at least one Amazon reviewer said there are other brands that cost more but are more effective and work longer than the Munai tablets.  I'll check out some other brands before ordering.

(https://i.imgur.com/IYNxFQE.png)

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Miracle+Berry+Tablets&crid=VZQIORUUAY7K&sprefix=miracle+berry+tablets%2Caps%2C430&ref=nb_sb_noss_1

https://youtu.be/gwCuKhnJiSE


Probably the only way I would ever eat bitter melon
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: hvybarrels on January 09, 2023, 04:02:15 PM
Hit my weight goal today and threw some cherries in the protein shake to celebrate.

Now to put back lean muscle snd exchange it for the rest of the visceral fat.

(https://media.tenor.com/LPwQVB6FAf8AAAAC/indiana-jones-hmm.gif)
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: Rocky on January 09, 2023, 04:08:59 PM
Hit my weight goal today and threw some cherries in the protein shake to celebrate.

Now to put back lean muscle snd exchange it for the rest of the visceral fat.

(https://media.tenor.com/LPwQVB6FAf8AAAAC/indiana-jones-hmm.gif)
:thumbsup:
That's more incentive than your last incentive post !
Kid(s) leaves tomorrow.
ps
Jones looks like you looking at a piece of Ted's Chocolate Haupia Pie !  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: Rocky on January 27, 2023, 08:01:18 AM
Started Sloooooooooooooooowly 2 weeks ago.
Sugar, carbs, alcohol (Living on bacon and yogurt  :rofl:)
Never knew I ate so much sugar and carbs  :crazy:
Body went into "shock " with a wide variety of symptoms.
pi$$1ng out yur A$$ for a week probably makes you lose at least 5# water weight. :shake: :shake:
Then came constipation. :shake: :shake:

Actually have been eating much less just cuz not hungry.
What else is there to eat ?
Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on January 27, 2023, 02:51:15 PM
Started Sloooooooooooooooowly 2 weeks ago.
Sugar, carbs, alcohol (Living on bacon and yogurt  :rofl:)
Never knew I ate so much sugar and carbs  :crazy:
Body went into "shock " with a wide variety of symptoms.
pi$$1ng out yur A$$ for a week probably makes you lose at least 5# water weight. :shake: :shake:
Then came constipation. :shake: :shake:

Actually have been eating much less just cuz not hungry.
What else is there to eat ?

Yeah, the Hersey Squirts bothered me, too, but I added broccoli to my menu (with gobs of butter), and that helped.  I also used Pepto to get past the extended bouts  where i needed to remain 5 feet from the toilet.  The "experts" preach about prebiotics and probiotics to balance out the good bacteria in the intestines now that you're digesting almost no carbs and mostly protein and fat.  Apparently the microbes that help manage digestion are different.  I tried the prebiotics before meals and really couldn't tell if there was any difference.  YMMV

Any fiber-rich foods help, but there's a short list of veggies that are keto-friendly and zero-carb.  Berries can help, but watch out how much you eat.  Most fruits contain natural sugars, but berries also have fiber which reduces their net carbs.

#1 thing to add if you haven't is intermittent fasting.

It's recommended you do all your eating within a maximum 8 hour window.  That gives you a 16 hour fasting period before you consume any more than a couple of calories.  Some beverages are 100% fine to have in the morning before you stop fasting, such as black coffee, green tea, water, and sugar-free electrolyte drink mixes.  Vitamin supplements are also fine.

Basically, avoid 99.99% of calories during the fasting period.  After that, fat, oil, meat and dairy are "all you can eat."  If you limit the total calories to a reasonable amount each day based on weight loss goals and physical activity, you should become accustomed to the fasting schedule without getting hungry.

I normally don't eat until after 2PM, and i try to stop by 9PM, usually sooner, but sometimes I just eat later because I'm not that hungry, especially if I had a filling afternoon meal.

Any time you eat something, it can cause an insulin response. One purpose of this diet is to reduce insulin responses and increase insulin sensitivity.  Fasting gets your body in the pattern of not expecting food every few hours when you're awake.  Eating 3 meals and snacks keeps the body in a continuous state of insulin production.

Title: Re: No Sugar 2 Weeks
Post by: hvybarrels on February 22, 2023, 11:40:54 PM
Just wanted to give an update.

I decided to keep it going since my arthritis improved dramatically. Someone brought in home made cookies to work and I had a few and the next day my joints were hurting. Funny because I don't crave sugar until I have some, and then the cravings kick in again. It's definitely comparable to illicit drugs.

Also had a glass of bourbon after work and muscles cramped up. My hydration balance is very delicate. Possibly I'm eating too much salt.

When I don't bring lunch and end up eating rice it really makes me puff up as well. l've been slipping recently because I hit my weight target and decided to celebrate, but have to be careful because it would be easy to fall back into old habits.

Able to go short boarding again though. Got a little cover up at rocky point recently that made all the effort worth it.