Post by: Nostayhome on January 05, 2023, 12:29:31 PM
Would anybody know if this is a problem?
Post by: HeliosRX8 on January 05, 2023, 12:55:46 PM
I will suggest to them that the model is only "P365" and with Sig Sauers inherent interchangeability between sub models i.e. SAS, X, XL, that the sub model is not relevant on the registration form because the same serialized and registered fire control unit may be used in any P365 sub model.
Post by: Nostayhome on January 05, 2023, 12:59:02 PM
My recent phone conversation with HPD Firearms division may help answer your question: I purchased and registered a P365 SAS and have changed the slide to one which is marked P365X (caliber & barrel length remained the same). I asked the person on the phone if I needed to update my registration because it appears the submodel of my p365 has changed from SAS to X. They initially replied that I would only need to update the registration if the caliber has changed. I then said my concern is that the instructor for the Hawaii CCW course I am attending is asking for the firearm info and my registration says P365SAS and my slide says P365X. HPD's reply was that if it's for CCW, I would need to bring it in for inspection and update the registration, so it matches what is submitted for my CCW License.
Thank you!
I had a feeling it would and thanks again for confirming it.
Post by: Rocky on January 05, 2023, 12:59:02 PM
you responded faster than I :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 05, 2023, 01:10:46 PM
The CCW card doesn't have the model on it. Just make and caliber. But the CCW app has the model and so shall your affidavit.
If only HI could say 1 card and you can carry any handgun.
TBH, I would just buy a new gun. Don't gotta worry about the hassle with updating the reg too.
Post by: drck1000 on January 05, 2023, 02:14:29 PM
Post by: Nostayhome on January 05, 2023, 02:24:58 PM
This is a cluster fu*k.
The CCW card doesn't have the model on it. Just make and caliber. But the CCW app has the model and so shall your affidavit.
If only HI could say 1 card and you can carry any handgun.
TBH, I would just buy a new gun. Don't gotta worry about the hassle with updating the reg too.
Yup. Definitely a shit show!!
Post by: Nostayhome on January 05, 2023, 02:26:00 PM
That policy sounds biased against FCUs that identify as multi-caliber. . . :P
😂 I think that’s a legitimate reason for a lawsuit!!
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on January 05, 2023, 03:52:25 PM
If you are pulled over for a traffic stop, and you notify the Cop you are legally carrying concealed (not really needed, since your CCW status likely pops up when they run your ID), is it even a possibility that the Cop will ask for your pistol and then verify it matches your "licensed" firearm for carry?
Unless this or something similar happens regularly, the firearm you carry won't ever be noticed by authorities unless you have occasion to draw it.
Just wondering how difficult it is to enforce carrying only the firearm/s you have associated with your license/s.
Not that anyone on here would ever break the law or endorse others who do. :thumbsup:
Post by: RSN172 on January 05, 2023, 04:27:24 PM
Post by: QUIETShooter on January 05, 2023, 04:57:20 PM
I also noticed the CCW card only said S&W but no model designation on the card.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on January 05, 2023, 05:33:52 PM
Will they check with a fine tooth comb only when you shoot somebody?
I also noticed the CCW card only said S&W but no model designation on the card.
The card has the firearm's serial number. That's a lot more specific than model.
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 05, 2023, 06:05:54 PM
I'm wondering ...Its in the chiefs rules to inform and inspect if they wish. But im not the chief and its not law.
If you are pulled over for a traffic stop, and you notify the Cop you are legally carrying concealed (not really needed, since your CCW status likely pops up when they run your ID), is it even a possibility that the Cop will ask for your pistol and then verify it matches your "licensed" firearm for carry?
Unless this or something similar happens regularly, the firearm you carry won't ever be noticed by authorities unless you have occasion to draw it.
Just wondering how difficult it is to enforce carrying only the firearm/s you have associated with your license/s.
Not that anyone on here would ever break the law or endorse others who do.
But he can deny ur renewal or revoke ccw for failing to do so.
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on January 05, 2023, 09:25:34 PM
Its in the chiefs rules to inform and inspect if they wish. But im not the chief and its not law.
But he can deny ur renewal or revoke ccw for failing to do so.
I looked for that, but I couldn't find it.
Can you cite the "chiefs rules to inform and inspect if they wish?"
Post by: drck1000 on January 05, 2023, 09:27:23 PM
I looked for that, but I couldn't find it.You dare question CMO?
Can you cite the "chiefs rules to inform and inspect if they wish?"
Inconceivable
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on January 05, 2023, 09:29:06 PM
You dare question CMO?
Inconceivable
Looking for an education.
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 06, 2023, 08:52:38 AM
I looked for that, but I couldn't find it.
Can you cite the "chiefs rules to inform and inspect if they wish?"
Nice catch. I can't find it either in the chiefs rules. It may have been in the 1st draft. Also it's not mentioned in HRS134-9.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on January 06, 2023, 01:01:02 PM
Nice catch. I can't find it either in the chiefs rules. It may have been in the 1st draft. Also it's not mentioned in HRS134-9.
I have a feeling the new state legislature will address a boat-load of CCW-related bills in the upcoming session.
I anticipate someone will include the Duty to Inform for licensed concealed carriers.
Whether or not they include on-the-spot verification of the firearm specs remains to be seen as well.
Anytime a license holder is asked by a Cop to remove a gun from his holster, there is a greater possibility for something bad to happen.
Most Cops tell the licensee to keep the firearm holstered and his hands away from his waist for the safety of everyone.
In order to inspect it, the gun must be drawn, unloaded, cleared and then reloaded and reholstered. Lots of steps in the process.
i'd never hand a loaded weapon to someone i don't know -- including Cops -- unless ordered to .... as in, "Drop your weapon!"
A routine police interaction should not involve handling the firearm just for compliance verification. Risk > benefit.
Recall how nervous you may have been the first time you got pulled over for a traffic stop. Now add to that the stress of having to handle a loaded weapon on the side of the road while the Cop/s watch your every move. It's just stupid if the lawmakers decide firearm verification needs to be a 'thing" with every police interaction.
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 06, 2023, 01:34:42 PM
I have a feeling the new state legislature will address a boat-load of CCW-related bills in the upcoming session.
^^^^This. Because as of now, there is no state law on where 1 can CCW. Just the federal laws. Like schools, post office, federal buildings, military bases, Airport, etc...
Post by: Rocky on January 06, 2023, 01:36:37 PM
Reaching behind your back or into fanny pack to get it out of your wallet could be considered "sketchy" by LEO.
I recommend in classes to carry your permit card on your neck via lanyard.
Hands visible at all times. :thumbsup:
Post by: Rocky on January 06, 2023, 02:18:17 PM
Reaching behind your back or into fanny pack to get it out of your wallet could be considered "sketchy" by LEO.
I recommend in classes to carry your permit card on your neck via lanyard.
Hands visible at all times. :thumbsup:
That's just advertising that you are ccw-ing. Might as well wear a shirt saying you got a gun or open carry. Police have survived in most of the other 50 states just fine, just let the officer know and slowly reach or have them disarm you first.
I recommend in classes to carry your permit card on your neck via lanyard INSIDE SHIRT
Did I really have to clarify ? ::)
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on January 06, 2023, 04:26:02 PM
This way, when asked for my iD, I can hand that holder separate from my wallet. I can place that in my car's sun visor for easy access if I want. It's also easier for me to extract a small ID holder from a shirt pocket versus struggling to remove a bulging wallet while sitting on it and placing my hand next to the gun. Since it's folded in two, I can even wear it over a neck lanyard if I ever need to. Just cut two holes on the crease, and thread the lanyard through.
Most states don't treat a CCW card as a form of ID, so you always have to present a driver's license or other ID along with your CCW credentials.
My method can ease the process of informing the officer I have a firearm. If the officer doesn't ask about me having my firearm after seeing the permit, then I would mention I have a legally concealed firearm and that it's at the 3 o'clock position on my belt.
(https://i.imgur.com/QhCY6pd.png)
I see a ton of businesses including Amazon selling CCW wallets that include a "CCW Permit Holder" badge. Lots of debate as to whether or not there's any benefit to such a wallet, but they usually have places for your ID and permit. The selling point is that you can flash it at a Cop while you are engaging a bad guy -- or wear it on your neck -- and the Cop won't shoot you. I think those situations will be rare, and how the Cop handles it will vary. I doubt the fake badge will matter much either way, IMHO.
Concerning the other issue of verifying carry guns, in most states it's against the law for law enforcement to take your legally carried weapon from you unless you are suspected of a crime -- assuming you are in a place that's okay to carry. A government representative disarming you for no lawful reason is unconstitutional. This whole "inspecting firearm to verify it matches the license" issue needs to take that into account.