Post by: changemyoil66 on January 06, 2023, 11:29:36 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 06, 2023, 11:36:59 AM
With that being said, my biggest issue right now is polo shirt tucked into slacks and AIWB. I figured out that I want to use NeoMag Alias as 1 of the clips. This set up really hides the way the clip on the holster hides on the belt.
https://theneomag.com/shop/alias/
Now the issue is do I want to use a sidecar type or just a regular holster. Active Self Protection and many others have reviewed thousands of self defense related videos and they have never seen anyone have to reload. The average amount of ammo used is 8rds IIRC. So a free state with no handgun mag limit still doesn't apply. So with that being said, I'm thinking of dropping the side car cause that's 1 less item on the AIWB. And if anything, keep a spare mag in my pocket. NeoMag also makes a mag clip, but I don't show clips on my pockets either.
What I don't want to do is buy 4 holsters to figure it out. Buy once, cry once. And I don't want to run a PHLster set up.
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 06, 2023, 11:41:10 AM
The only thing that needs to be done is repositioning the pack depending on the exercise. So far I did legs and for squats, I had it across my back. Because if the pack was across my chest, the clip goes right where the bar sits. Around the waist isn't feasable because I wear a weight belt and it would also get in the way when bending.
For leg press, I kept it across my chest.
PHLster has a vid of a guy squatting with their set up. But he aint lifting no heavy ass weights, so I don't want to use that system to squat. And they have more of people leg pressing, but again, none are lifting heavy ass weights.
I'll keep updated as I hit more body groups. So basically, I'm AIWB when I get to the gym and go to the restroom and put in fanny pack. Then when I leave, AIWB again.
Post by: drck1000 on January 06, 2023, 11:45:26 AM
SNIPBe careful on the context of the data and discussion on conclusions being made based on those studies. . .
Now the issue is do I want to use a sidecar type or just a regular holster. Active Self Protection and many others have reviewed thousands of self defense related videos and they have never seen anyone have to reload. The average amount of ammo used is 8rds IIRC. So a free state with no handgun mag limit still doesn't apply. So with that being said, I'm thinking of dropping the side car cause that's 1 less item on the AIWB. And if anything, keep a spare mag in my pocket. NeoMag also makes a mag clip, but I don't show clips on my pockets either.
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 06, 2023, 12:51:09 PM
Be careful on the context of the data and discussion on conclusions being made based on those studies. . .
Elijah Dickens would have went black on ammo. 10 shots and 40 yards. But no vid of this engagement.
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 06, 2023, 12:52:27 PM
Post by: Rocky on January 06, 2023, 01:29:13 PM
Arizona calls it "Carry Concealed Weapons" (CWP)
Utah calls it "Concealed Firearms Permit (CFP)
Hawaii calls it "License To Carry" (LTC)
Not going to go thru all of the other states.
The major difference of the above 3 mentioned is that AZ and UT permits allow both open and concealed while Hawaii has a distinct permitting process between open and concealed.
The Hawaii LTC license between open and concealed have different "conditions".
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 06, 2023, 01:36:59 PM
The Hawaii LTC license between open and concealed have different "conditions".
It also says "civilian". So if active HPD, would it not state civilian? I doubt there is any HPD who will test this.
Post by: Rocky on January 06, 2023, 01:47:35 PM
It also says "civilian". So if active HPD, would it not state civilian? I doubt there is any HPD who will test this.
Do not understand what you mean here.
What and where says civilian and what does that have to do with LTC vs CCW ?
As mentioned, just correcting nomenclature.
Besides, active HPD is required to carry off duty, no need permit
Post by: RSN172 on January 06, 2023, 02:27:41 PM
I'll throw in my $0.02. just on nomenclature
Arizona calls it "Carry Concealed Weapons" (CCW)
Utah calls it "Concealed Firearms Permit (CFP)
Hawaii calls it "License To Carry" (LTC)
My AZ permit says CONCEALED WEAPONS PERMIT not Carry Concealed Weapons.
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 06, 2023, 03:58:37 PM
Do not understand what you mean here.
What and where says civilian and what does that have to do with LTC vs CCW ?
As mentioned, just correcting nomenclature.
Besides, active HPD is required to carry off duty, no need permit
U were pointing out what other states call their permits. So i pointed out oahu's one also says civilian. My NV doesnt say that. So i was wondering in what situation would that word change.
I have also seen the HPD recruit ccw permit that they are issued. So they get an actual card.
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Post by: macsak on January 07, 2023, 04:37:44 PM
Giving the wedge a try.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230108/629624819e2ad6db02f5999635f65a82.jpg)
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Post by: Xavierbaker on January 07, 2023, 04:45:28 PM
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Post by: changemyoil66 on January 07, 2023, 06:54:30 PM
i'd rather not know where you stick the wedge...Heads
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Post by: Rocky on January 07, 2023, 06:58:05 PM
My AZ permit says CONCEALED WEAPONS PERMIT not Carry Concealed Weapons.I stand corrected, ty
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on January 07, 2023, 07:07:31 PM
CCW – Concealed Carry Weapon
CCP – Concealed Carry Pistol
CCP – Concealed Carry Permit
CCL – Concealed Carry License
CPL – Concealed Pistol License
CHP – Concealed Handgun Permit
CHL – Concealed Handgun License
CWP – Concealed Weapons Permit
LTC – License To Carry
LTCF – License to Carry Firearm
States adopt various names often because the carry laws include or exclude certain types of concealed weapons.
Example: In some jurisdictions, if the permit says Concealed Handgun Permit, it is likely illegal to carry a fixed blade knife, a Taser or chemical spray. Those which specify Concealed Weapons may allow for one or more of those non-firearm weapons, too.
Until we get national reciprocity using a national standard for concealed carry, it'll continue to be a tangled mess.
Post by: Rocky on January 07, 2023, 07:07:46 PM
U were pointing out what other states call their permits. So i pointed out oahu's one also says civilian. My NV doesnt say that. So i was wondering in what situation would that word change.
I guess it would change for "armed guard" as stated.
I have also seen the HPD recruit ccw permit that they are issued. So they get an actual card.
As recruits but do grads get a card also ?
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Post by: drck1000 on January 07, 2023, 08:14:01 PM
Giving the wedge a try.Thought your said GTG… bruh
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You know what you know…
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 08, 2023, 10:06:01 AM
Idk abt grads.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on January 09, 2023, 08:51:36 AM
Noob info.
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 09, 2023, 10:14:38 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 09, 2023, 11:16:55 AM
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Post by: macsak on January 09, 2023, 12:39:53 PM
Polo carry. V1. Ordered Neomag Alias to hide the clips on the belt
Post by: ren on January 09, 2023, 07:10:58 PM
Polo carry. V1. Ordered Neomag Alias to hide the clips on the belt.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230109/174f44c3a833db551bf311554c7418cc.jpg)
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how you CCW M1 Garand?
Post by: drck1000 on January 09, 2023, 07:15:21 PM
clipsda plastic kine bruh
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 10, 2023, 11:24:02 AM
da plastic kine bruh
It came with the metal ones as well, which give a lower profile for protruding. But not by much. The metal clips do clamp on much more. Which makes it near impossible to shift the holster or move the belt for adjusting. Both work the same with basketball/board shorts (belt less carry). The metal ones can damage (scratch) a leather belt if not careful when doning or doffing.
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 11, 2023, 08:41:02 AM
The bad part is to remove it and see the diff, I will have to break the stickyness on it. Which means I will need to reorder another one or get an adhesive. But this is the cost of figuring stuff out. And once you do, you're pretty much set.
I did also get a size small wedge. So if anything I may stick that onto the medium one I already have to replicate a large sized wedge and see if this shows any difference.
For aloha shirt carry, I don't offset my belt buckle since aloha shirts run big.
Post by: Sheppard on January 11, 2023, 05:38:44 PM
Post by: ilikebigbots on January 11, 2023, 08:43:49 PM
Post by: RSN172 on January 12, 2023, 09:04:54 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 12, 2023, 10:28:20 AM
3 weeks to a month would be very fast to get a permit. Even places like. NV and AZ normally take about 45 days. Like almost everything in this state, Try Wait.
My NV took 120 days for renewal and 120 for 1st app.
I know a guy who's in CA. His interview that's required to be done by the police isn't until November 2023. He initially applied in 3rd quarter of 2022. I'll bet their PD has 1 guy doing this and they don't care cause F-U to Bruen decision. Loop hole to delay as long as possible.
Post by: RSN172 on January 12, 2023, 04:58:16 PM
My NV took 120 days for renewal and 120 for 1st app.That's because you probably got yours in Clark county. I got mine in Nye county in 35 days.
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 13, 2023, 08:46:03 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 13, 2023, 09:29:17 AM
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Post by: changemyoil66 on January 17, 2023, 09:24:57 AM
Also carried while working out fanny pack style for all exercises and it's not that big of a deal. What does take more adjusting and getting used to is if I change my weight belt because the pressure points are different than the old one. This would cause me to go light for a few weeks. But I don't have this issue with the fanny pack at all.
Post by: RSN172 on January 17, 2023, 11:22:25 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 17, 2023, 11:30:25 AM
I have tried various AIWB holsters. Surprisingly the one I find to be the most comfortable and can carry a wide variety of guns, with or without lasers, lights or RDS, was the cheapest. An elastic velcro belly band that cost me $10.
I have 1 of those. A corowker got it for me for Xmas many years ago. My only issue is I like a more solid trigger guard. I mean, could jsut buy g-string holster and pin it to the cloth.
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 18, 2023, 09:14:40 AM
So I always take a dump in the morning at home. Then again at work around 9, and again around 10:15. This is a normal dump and not pissing out of my ass dump. Then sometimes another after lunch around 1pm or so. When I don't drink coffee and drink an energy drink, I only take my morning dump. This is usually on the weekends when I want to taste something else besides coffee.
This also happens when I go to Vegas and drink energy drinks in the morning because the coffee line is like 45 min wait. And no multiple dumps like when I drink coffee.
Since I've been CCWing in Hawaii, I have not had the coffee shits at all. It's like my stomach knows what a PITA it is to reholster. But instead, I do have to now take a dump after work around 3 or so.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on January 18, 2023, 09:44:54 AM
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Since I've been CCWing in Hawaii, I have not had the coffee shits at all. It's like my stomach knows what a PITA it is to reholster. But instead, I do have to now take a dump after work around 3 or so.
Sounds to me like you're nervous about carrying in public here.
#PuckerFactor
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Post by: drck1000 on January 18, 2023, 10:01:39 AM
Sounds to me like you're nervous about carrying in public here.Sounds to me like he is full of $hit. . .
#PuckerFactor
:geekdanc:
I mean I'm pretty regular, but
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So I always take a dump in the morning at home. Then again at work around 9, and again around 10:15.
is someone with a lot to unload. . .
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 18, 2023, 10:16:34 AM
This would be for 4 oclock carry. So weekends or aloha shirt untucked with slacks (work) or weekends (shorts and t-shirt)
Post by: Rocky on January 18, 2023, 03:00:04 PM
Maybe the holster is pressing too hard against your appendix and small colon. :-\
Post by: RSN172 on January 18, 2023, 04:48:07 PM
So a weird phenomenon has taken place. My shit schedule is like clockwork. I get the coffee shits only in the morning. When I drink coffee in the afternoon or later, no problem.Thank you for sharing. If you take 4000 MG of Ibuprofen for 3 days, you won't need to take a dump.
So I always take a dump in the morning at home. Then again at work around 9, and again around 10:15. This is a normal dump and not pissing out of my ass dump. Then sometimes another after lunch around 1pm or so. When I don't drink coffee and drink an energy drink, I only take my morning dump. This is usually on the weekends when I want to taste something else besides coffee.
This also happens when I go to Vegas and drink energy drinks in the morning because the coffee line is like 45 min wait. And no multiple dumps like when I drink coffee.
Since I've been CCWing in Hawaii, I have not had the coffee shits at all. It's like my stomach knows what a PITA it is to reholster. But instead, I do have to now take a dump after work around 3 or so.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on January 18, 2023, 04:49:59 PM
Thank you for sharing. If you take 4000 MG of Ibuprofen for 3 days, you won'tneedbe able to take a dump.
FIFY
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 20, 2023, 08:46:06 AM
Other companies with lead times for my models Trex Arms, We the People Holsters, LilGat.
Post by: drck1000 on January 20, 2023, 09:18:43 AM
Just a FYI, I noticed that many IWB holster makes have a lead time. T1C for my VP9 or Shield Plus is like 6 weeks. The companies tell you up front so you know what to expect. I ordered a Phlyster Skeleton IWB and it shipped in 2 days. IDK if other models have no lead time either.
Other companies with lead times for my models Trex Arms, We the People Holsters, LilGat.
You already know this, but sharing for those newer to the search. Some also have quick ship options, which may come with a premium. Also, the Q/S options can be quite limited.
There are more mass produced options, like Safariland et al. However, I have found that companies that specialize in holsters, particularly for CCW have higher quality, design considertions/features, etc. There's a lot of RDT&E that goes into these holsters, which is why some of them take a while to get holster options for new or less popular firearms. There are also many shops that will offer custom for whatever. I have two buddies that do that and they have some pretty good holsters, but it does come with growing pains. Like a piece of kydex in the wrong spot may seem ok with dry manipulations, but issues show up when live fire.
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 23, 2023, 08:57:49 AM
AIWB:
Pros:
1) More concealable
2) Faster draw
3) Easier draw when seated, esp in the car
4) Better control/retention if someone tries to grab it
Cons:
1) Digs in when seated
2) Digs in a lot when seated for long periods
3) Need to offset belt buckle (not a huge deal, but when buying a belt, the nicenesss of how the buckle looks doesn't matter)
4) When bending over, like tying shoelace or picking something off the floor, it's in the way
5) After a big meal, stomach pushes holster out more
4 O'Clock IWB
Pros:
1) Comfort when seated
2) Ease to pick stuff up (see above con for AIWB)
3) Belly size doesn't really matter
4) Can take a dump quicker (leave gun on belt, compared to AIWB, need to remove entire holster)
Cons:
1) Slower draw
2) More difficult retention if someone tries to grab it
3) Printing more, esp when leaning forward. Like on a stool eating or at a table game in Vegas
4) Takes much more effort to draw when in a car (seatbelt in the way, driver side) or when seated (you may be sitting on your shirt, which prevents the lifting of it to clear the firearm)
5) No side car on the holster, so spare mag needs to be else where
There might be more, but so far, this is my XP.
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 23, 2023, 09:09:52 AM
Post by: Sheppard on January 23, 2023, 03:48:37 PM
As for the holster, I like my gun and mag to be separate but still carry AIWB. when driving (sitting), to relieve the pressure, i just shift the holster up, this helps greatly. and when exiting the vehicle or standing from a seated position, I shift the holster(s) down. its pretty common for guys to shft their pants. In regards to comfort from AIWB vs Strongside Carry, Im willing to make those adjustments of reaching down, picking stuff off the ground and deal with lesser comfort of the AIWB....but in both cases, wearing an inner shirt helps a lot with comfort.
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 24, 2023, 11:54:40 AM
Post by: drck1000 on January 24, 2023, 12:38:29 PM
So I've been noticing the agggresive grip is snagging on my dry fit shirts (sand paper like). I will try out putting athletic tape around the grip on the side that touches the shirt. I like the aggressive grips because my palms sweat a lot, so I want to keep some of that. Or I may wrap the entire grip to see how it feels. And it's cheap to replace when the white turns brown.Try hockey grip tape, vice the fabric athletic tape (like for when you taped ankles).
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 24, 2023, 12:46:54 PM
Try hockey grip tape, vice the fabric athletic tape (like for when you taped ankles).
I'll look into that after I try the athletic tape cause I already got a bunch for the gym.
U talking about the 1 inch thick smoother texture hockey grip tape or the 2 inch wide one that looks more textured?
Post by: drck1000 on January 24, 2023, 12:52:52 PM
I'll look into that after I try the athletic tape cause I already got a bunch for the gym.Athletic tape (at least the ones I have) get slippery when wet. No bueno. . . I guess if you have talc with you. . . bruh
U talking about the 1 inch thick smoother texture hockey grip tape or the 2 inch wide one that looks more textured?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on January 24, 2023, 12:59:20 PM
This will move the pistol away from the body, allow your thumb to separate the grip from the shirt/skin, and ensure you are less likely to drop the pistol during the draw.
Basically, when you start the draw the grip needs to be your firing grip.
I have some holsters that are made as high as the grip sitting between the pistol grip and the body. They have neoprene against the pistol to prevent moisture and sheepskin against the shirt/skin to make it cool and comfortable. This design protects the firearm from bodily moisture and oils and keeps the pistol from grabbing onto anything beneath it (skin, undershirt, ...).
You may find that you can compensate for a grippy grip by practicing to prevent that problem. No tape or grip change is going to solve this for everyone in all cases. But the fundamentals of a well executed draw will eliminate most of these problems in all cases.
i use the softer rubber Talon grips. i don't like the rough skateboard tape type (granulate). The rubber ones give a better feel, better grippiness, but don't grab everything it comes into contact with.
YMMV
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 24, 2023, 01:41:59 PM
My problem with sweaty palms isn't too bad. I mean its noticable, but it doesn't cause me to drop the gun (like a bar of soap). But I did notice the follow up shots my grip isn't in the same spot. Which causes more recoil, thus need to take a split second longer when rapid firing. Instead of being locked in tight and mag dumping to your trigger fingers limit. Like the grips on a VP9 or P30 are too smooth for my taste.
Grip strength only goes so far when a slippery substance is introduced (sweat). I think my grip is stronger than the average person. Due to being able to deadlift a good weight without any strap support.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on January 24, 2023, 02:14:35 PM
My problem with sweaty palms isn't too bad. I mean its noticable, but it doesn't cause me to drop the gun (like a bar of soap). But I did notice the follow up shots my grip isn't in the same spot. Which causes more recoil, thus need to take a split second longer when rapid firing. Instead of being locked in tight and mag dumping to your trigger fingers limit. Like the grips on a VP9 or P30 are too smooth for my taste.
Grip strength only goes so far when a slippery substance is introduced (sweat). I think my grip is stronger than the average person. Due to being able to deadlift a good weight without any strap support.
Grip purchase is as important, if not more so, as grip strength and grip friction.
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 25, 2023, 08:45:43 AM
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Post by: drck1000 on January 26, 2023, 09:37:03 PM
Going to give NeoMag Alias system a try, anyone here have/had any experience with them?Yup. Use it with a couple of different holsters. What belt are you using?
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It’s solid. Doesn’t pivot or slide up and down like with most plastic clips.
Post by: Xavierbaker on January 26, 2023, 10:04:14 PM
Yup. Use it with a couple of different holsters. What belt are you using?I use a Trex arms belt, still running pretty good.
It’s solid. Doesn’t pivot or slide up and down like with most plastic clips.
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Post by: Xavierbaker on January 26, 2023, 10:07:29 PM
Yup. Use it with a couple of different holsters. What belt are you using?I plan on getting more holsters from different manufacturers in the future, but rn I run a sidecar, how well does the system run with sidecars?
It’s solid. Doesn’t pivot or slide up and down like with most plastic clips.
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Post by: drck1000 on January 26, 2023, 10:45:32 PM
I plan on getting more holsters from different manufacturers in the future, but rn I run a sidecar, how well does the system run with sidecars?Fine. I mainly use a T1C Xiphos (pistol only), but also an Axis. I put the Alias on the gun side of the Axis and the plastic clip on the mag side. They have videos of the Alias with sidecar style holsters.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on January 27, 2023, 11:08:19 AM
I plan on getting more holsters from different manufacturers in the future, but rn I run a sidecar, how well does the system run with sidecars?
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I ordered a Tier1 Concealled Axis Elite (sidecar) to work with the Alias. ALias as various clip styles which can work with various holsters due to the hole placements. The Axis Elite has holes that go up and down toward the bottom of the holster. Compared to another holster where the holes for the clip are at the top and side by side.
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Post by: Xavierbaker on January 28, 2023, 08:47:29 AM
so two people got approved from my class. supposing they applied on the 19th of december. i applied on the same day, but just got the notification that my application was sent back down due to it missing a question (didn't really recognize since i filled it out at home at my own pace). just wanted to see if anyone else got their permit?I applied on the 20th of December and picked up my permit 2 days ago.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on January 31, 2023, 08:59:18 AM
https://www.phlsterholsters.com/shop/phlster-modular-holster-wedge-kit/
First I will try to play with the need for a wedge by doing the "push test" and placing another object under the holster. Phlster has a good starting point to do it with just a belt on. As in no need loop it into your pants, which is why I hadn't played with this more. Too humbug to keep unbuckling to see if material where the wedge would be will help. From a quick push test, I need to push on the top of the slide. Which would mean I need a wedge on the area where a WML would be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajGkIqsPAPA
I also might pick up an Enigma for gym usage to and from. Because the current clips hold on, but if I had to get in a ground fight, I don't have confidence in it. This would also be used for anytime that I'm not wearing a belt. So often when I just go grab food, I'm in gym shorts. Same would go for the Neomag Alias beltless system. The holster will hold, but I can see it flipping over from the elastic wasteband (no ridgid support). Where the Phlster Enigma will stay against your body in.
Or maybe I was just bored last night and looking to solve a problem that doesn't exist. Range is closed so, plenty time.
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 31, 2023, 09:13:46 AM
Then there's the Phlster Enigma following who are made up of regular folk, like non in shape or tactical dudes. Like your grandma, women, fat guys, beta looking guys etc...I mean John Correa (Active Self Protection) isn't tacticool looking either like the T1C guys.
Same guys don't use wedges. So this shows the various different types of body types and the needs that aren't the same for everyone.
For some good info, check out the Phlster COncealment Workshop group on FB. There's lots of people sharing their XP and even the owners responding to most questions/post. Lots of pics and use the search function for specific. Like I searched Gym or Pregnant and found lots of post.
Post by: BRU on January 31, 2023, 09:25:53 PM
So I tried the Tier1 Concelaed wedge and didn't like it. It was too small (medium wedge). I hadn't tried their wider one because the surface area on the rear of my T1C Axis Elite isn't a flat surface. So I found this:
https://www.phlsterholsters.com/shop/phlster-modular-holster-wedge-kit/
First I will try to play with the need for a wedge by doing the "push test" and placing another object under the holster. Phlster has a good starting point to do it with just a belt on. As in no need loop it into your pants, which is why I hadn't played with this more. Too humbug to keep unbuckling to see if material where the wedge would be will help. From a quick push test, I need to push on the top of the slide. Which would mean I need a wedge on the area where a WML would be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajGkIqsPAPA
I also might pick up an Enigma for gym usage to and from. Because the current clips hold on, but if I had to get in a ground fight, I don't have confidence in it. This would also be used for anytime that I'm not wearing a belt. So often when I just go grab food, I'm in gym shorts. Same would go for the Neomag Alias beltless system. The holster will hold, but I can see it flipping over from the elastic wasteband (no ridgid support). Where the Phlster Enigma will stay against your body in.
Or maybe I was just bored last night and looking to solve a problem that doesn't exist. Range is closed so, plenty time.
I like the Mastermind Tactics adjustable pillow wedge. It allows you to fill the material to your preference.
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 01, 2023, 08:56:19 AM
I like the Mastermind Tactics adjustable pillow wedge. It allows you to fill the material to your preference.
I saw that also, thanks for the input. Depending on what you fill it with, now this will add extra weight to your holster. I can see guys using rice, like how they do for rifle bags.
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 01, 2023, 11:14:07 AM
This will make the 4th holster I'm buying to meet my needs. Unlike my OWB holsters that I had like 5 until I found the one I need, each IWB holster has it's purpose. Enigma for beltless, AIWB for EDC, AIWB with NeoMag Alias clips for polo shirt tucked in, and IWB holster for 4 oclock carry when at a friend/family home where I will be bending and sitting a lot and printing isn't a concern.
Post by: drck1000 on February 01, 2023, 11:27:21 AM
So I ordered a Phlster Enimga Express with a set of wedges. This will be for when I don't wear a belt. Right now my T1C Axis Elite with plastic T1C clips stays on my pants. And when I draw, the holster doesn't come off with the gun. But if I had to roll or sprint, I don't have confidence in the holster staying on my body due to no rigid belt to keep it on. Instead it relys on the elastic waistband. Same would be if I used DCC clips instead. If I were on the ground, I can see the holster flipping inside out of my waistband due to no rigid support. Bascially I want a set up with more confidence because I often go beltless. Like after the gym to grab dinner.Ok CMOHondo ;D
This will make the 4th holster I'm buying to meet my needs. Unlike my OWB holsters that I had like 5 until I found the one I need, each IWB holster has it's purpose. Enigma for beltless, AIWB for EDC, AIWB with NeoMag Alias clips for polo shirt tucked in, and IWB holster for 4 oclock carry when at a friend/family home where I will be bending and sitting a lot and printing isn't a concern.
Look at you buying all different types of holsters. . .
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 01, 2023, 11:39:18 AM
Ok CMOHondo ;D
Look at you buying all different types of holsters. . .
U too old to roll. But all jokes aside, I meant BJJ (jujitsu) type rolling. John Correa from Active Self Protection mentioned he rolled with it and the holster stayed on. I will verify this once I get mine in.
Plus with Mrs. CMO being preggers, she might want to use this as well. She already is starting to shy away from AIWB and going 8-9 oclock instead.
Post by: BRU on February 01, 2023, 02:30:29 PM
I saw that also, thanks for the input. Depending on what you fill it with, now this will add extra weight to your holster. I can see guys using rice, like how they do for rifle bags.
It comes with synthetic filling material and doesn’t add much weight. I purchased a couple of pillow wedges and extra Velcro strips to put on all of my holsters. I just move my pillow wedges between holsters.
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 01, 2023, 07:12:43 PM
It comes with synthetic filling material and doesn’t add much weight. I purchased a couple of pillow wedges and extra Velcro strips to put on all of my holsters. I just move my pillow wedges between holsters.Pic of it on?
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Post by: drck1000 on February 02, 2023, 07:48:50 AM
U too old to roll. But all jokes aside, I meant BJJ (jujitsu) type rolling. John Correa from Active Self Protection mentioned he rolled with it and the holster stayed on. I will verify this once I get mine in.Speaking of rolling, I forgot that I had a folding knife in the "belt" of my board shorts through a BJJ class/training. When I train, my boardshorts has limited pockets, so I have a knife on the "belt" at 12-1 o'clock. A couple of times in the past month, after the class I noticed the knife still in my boardshorts. Didn't even notice it was there and it stayed there, even sometimes after getting smashed. No, I haven't rolled with a CCW. . .
Plus with Mrs. CMO being preggers, she might want to use this as well. She already is starting to shy away from AIWB and going 8-9 oclock instead.
8-9 o'clock you say? Hmm. . . better stay on her dominant hand side. . . :-X
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 02, 2023, 11:34:04 AM
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8-9 o'clock you say? Hmm. . . better stay on her dominant hand side. . . :-X
Mrs.CMO is a lefty
Post by: dafrtknocker on February 02, 2023, 01:10:46 PM
https://www.shootingillustrated.com/content/ccw-in-public-restrooms-when-you-gotta-go/?utm_source=020223email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=020223email&utm_id=020223email
Post by: drck1000 on February 02, 2023, 01:12:04 PM
Mrs.CMO is a leftyI meant YOU should stay (or stand) on her dominant side. . .
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 03, 2023, 09:27:59 AM
I meant YOU should stay (or stand) on her dominant side. . .
The backhand is strong on that side. So I stand on the weak side. :rofl:
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 06, 2023, 08:40:58 AM
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Post by: drck1000 on February 06, 2023, 08:58:11 AM
Alias came in.Cool. Try with just the Alias on the gun side. It's pretty solid with that side only, since the gun draw is the most stress. Then you'll have an Alias for another belt.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on February 06, 2023, 09:00:25 AM
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So with the Alias, the holster clips in behind the belt, instead of over the belt. This causes the holster to be pushed back about 1/4 inch or so more. This helps with the top of the slide and grip being more pressed against your stomach. So no wedge is needed. And because the holster attaches behind the belt, the claw that I have for my T1C holster needs to be 1 level higher. Good thing their holsters come with an adjustable height claw. I had to add in 1 claw insert, so I'm at 3 inserts now. Instead of 2 inserts for my regular AIWB T1C. Without this extra height, the claw would not be touching my belt at all, thus not doing it's job.
So far, this set up is doing what I purchased it to do (polo shirt tucked into slacks). My Enigma should arrive later today and I may try the Enigma also to compare.
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 07, 2023, 08:48:25 AM
Also the wedges are much better than the T1C ones. They do cost much more, but you're getting a set vs. 1 wedge that's $6 from T1C if you don't order the set. Why the T1C wedge didn't work is because it was smaller which caused the pressure to be focused on the area the size of a quarter. This caused a "hot spot" or chaffing that was rubbing. By the end of the 8 hour day, the skin was red, and I can see it being a blister or like if I wore it longer or for many more days in a row.
The pic below shows how much more distributed the pressure of the holster is on the Enigma wedge. The down side of the Enigma, is it doesn't look tacticool like how T1C does. But my priorities are function and comfort. Also the Enigma are held on with Velcro, so you can move it or add more depending on your weight gain/loss or clothing. The T1C is a stick on, so once you stick it on, you cannot move it. I was also able to cut the soft side of the velcro that sticks to the holster so it doesn't block my screw for my wedge. The T1C, you wouldn't be able to do that unless you cut into the wedge itself.
But all of this may not matter on July 1st when sensitive places pass everywhere but the public sidewalk.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on February 08, 2023, 09:39:32 AM
The leg strap did take some adjusting, basically you go high and semi tight. At first I had it more down my leg, but this caused the strap to move when I walk.
Post by: ilikebigbots on February 13, 2023, 01:47:16 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 13, 2023, 06:45:00 PM
after waiting 8 weeks, i finally got a call from HPD that my application got approved. Hopefully everyone else is getting the same thing ???Did u have any issues like forgetting to check a box or background check issues? U can PM me.
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Post by: Eo12 on February 13, 2023, 10:46:07 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 15, 2023, 09:58:03 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 21, 2023, 12:12:11 PM
THe Phlyster FB workgroup has goood info on this as well. Anyone who has an Enigma or wants one, should join the group and read the post.
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 02, 2023, 09:19:54 AM
NeoMag Alias
Pros:
Tacticool cause can use T1C AIWB holster
Has sidecar on holster already
Holster sits higher, thus easier to get fingers around grip to draw
Cons
Price due to T1C AIWB cost
Cant move left or right much, but for me it works with my body type
Taking a shit requires more effort to retuck in the shirt.
Took 6 weeks to arrive
Only designed for this type of carry (belt required carry)
Enigma
Pros
Easier to take a shit and retuck in shirt
Can move to any position, even 4 oclock if need be
Price, got the entire set up that included a holster for $30 less than my above set up. T1C is expensive in general. But no side car.
Took 1 week to arrive
Can use for any beltless pants.
Cons
Isn't tacticool
As of now, no spare mag carrier, I can add one if I wish
Holster sits lower due to my body type, which makes getting the fingers around the grip take a little more effort
Post by: ilikebigbots on March 07, 2023, 10:02:35 PM
Post by: macsak on March 08, 2023, 05:51:35 AM
So SB1230 got approved by senate. what's the verdict now? gonna have to carry on sidewalks now if passed by governor?
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 08, 2023, 11:13:37 AM
So SB1230 got approved by senate. what's the verdict now? gonna have to carry on sidewalks now if passed by governor?
Per the AG, this bill gives the owner of places the option, when responding to CCW being banned everywhere. So you are wrong when only sidewalks are allowed. (sarcasm)
Post by: ilikebigbots on March 20, 2023, 06:21:35 PM
Post by: theJanitor on March 30, 2023, 10:00:38 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 30, 2023, 12:29:12 PM
He spilled ice cream on his glock. He wiped it off, but didn't disassemble to clean. Some time went by, like a few weeks and he couldn't rack the slide. He had to use brute force to do it. Turns out the ice cream corroded the bullet to the chamber end of the barrel. There was rust on both. This is his CCW gun and I'm pretty sure he applied for 2, in case his primary goes down like how this did.
For me, I do a function check the 1st of every month. Take make out, rack slide to eject round. Reapply lube as needed and make ready. This is also done to my night stand pistol. AR is kept cruiser ready, so red dot check and pull charging handle with mag out to make sure everything moves. WML's are checked during this process as well.
Everyday before I strap up, I do a press check to make sure there's a round in the chamber, since I don't live alone. And I check to see if my red dot is still on. I also check the marker paint on my screws of the holster and red dot to see if they walked out at all.
1st of the month Taser is visually inspected also, since function checking it would be illegal. No one here does anything illegal.
OC is visual checked daily to make sure the head turns and there is no debris inside the hole. Test fire is done 1st of the year.
Handheld EDC light is tested when putting into my pocket. 1 push of the button to make sure it works.
Folding knife is checked a few times a week as Mrs. CMO orders Amazon and I use this to cut the box b4 putting into the trash bin.
So training point is to check your gear on a schedule so you don't forget.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on March 30, 2023, 01:32:11 PM
Carrying can cause damage from bumping into walls, furniture, car doors, etc. Carrying also exposes the firearm to all sorts of dirt and grime such as lint from clothing, dust and dirt from hands and the air, small particles wearing off your holster and, as you pointed out, spills.
You should also fire your current carry ammo during one of your range visits and replace with fresh ammo. How often depends on whether you can afford more SD ammo, and whether or not you can find it in stock. Once every three months might be a decent rotation schedule to make sure that ammo isn't absorbing moisture or building up corrosion from rain, a sweaty body, humidity, and so on.
i've seen some carriers say they clean their carry gun at the end of each day, because they might choose a different firearm to carry next and don't want to leave an uncleaned/un-oiled pistol sitting in the safe for an indefinite period.
Post by: RSN172 on March 30, 2023, 05:03:30 PM
If that knife is your EDC general purpose knife, ok. If that is your EDC SD knife, you shouldn't use it to cut anything except to test sharpness. I like to keep my SD knife hair popping sharp. I keep a small folder with a 1.5 inch blade on my key ring to open packages and other tasks while on the road.
Folding knife is checked a few times a week as Mrs. CMO orders Amazon and I use this to cut the box b4 putting into the trash bin.
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 30, 2023, 09:38:40 PM
If that knife is your EDC general purpose knife, ok. If that is your EDC SD knife, you shouldn't use it to cut anything except to test sharpness. I like to keep my SD knife hair popping sharp. I keep a small folder with a 1.5 inch blade on my key ring to open packages and other tasks while on the road.You wanna know my secret....theyre always sharp. -Bruce Banner.
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Post by: Eo12 on April 05, 2023, 09:42:33 PM
55 days and counting. 😑 they’re moving like the dmv.
106 days and counting. 😑
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 06, 2023, 09:11:58 AM
106 days and counting. 😑
Did you call to follow up? If yes, post details and hope you got more than a "we're working on it".
Post by: Rocky on April 06, 2023, 09:49:50 AM
Post by: Eo12 on April 06, 2023, 04:30:13 PM
Did you call to follow up? If yes, post details and hope you got more than a "we're working on it".
That’s exactly the response given from Susie. With a “please be patient” added. They have no idea where it’s at in the process either. A captain also called back also and had no info too, just asking to be patient. That was a useless callback. If you add in the time since first application after bruen, it’s over 8 months.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 14, 2023, 11:50:36 AM
First there are 2 types of location bans.
1) Sensitive places-Specific locations that have no exceptions for regular CCW holders
2) Business establishment-Can get express consent (permission) from them to CCW
Chiropractor, primary care physician, dentist, etc...-This is a sensitive place as it provides a health service. So no exceptions.
Gym-This is a commodity and not a "retail establishment" that falls under "business establishment" portion. ROH 21-10.1 under "Amusement and Recreation Facilities, Indoor. Establishments providing indoor amusement or recreation. Typical uses include: martial arts studios; billiard and pool halls; electronic and coin-operated game rooms; bowling alleys; skating rinks; reducing salon, health and fitness establishments; indoor tennis, handball, and racquetball courts; auditoriums, indoor archery, and shooting ranges; and gymnasiums and gymnastic schools." But still falls under #3 "commercial establishment" for a business establishment.
Food places-"Restaurant. Any retail eating establishment where food is served or provided for on-site consumption by seated patrons that is authorized by the State department of health to operate as a food establishment, including any private food establishment or club in which only members or their guests are permitted, but excluding a “bar.” If a restaurant includes an area devoted to the serving of alcoholic beverages, that area shall be deemed part of the restaurant, not a separate “bar,” for this article. An establishment that is a restaurant shall have that status for all hours of operation." But still falls under #3 "commercial establishment" for a business establishment.
So you need permission.
Also "food court" is a separate definition and does not need authorization from the State Department of Health. So not a business establishment. But still falls under #3 "commercial establishment" for a business establishment.
Under 21-10.1 "retail establishment" is defined and includes: " This term also includes establishments where food or drink is sold on the premises for immediate consumption, but which lack appropriate accommodations for on-premise eating and drinking." So a place like W&M that has zero seating, but you can still immediately consume the burger would fall under this. So this is a business establishment and needs permission.
https://codelibrary.amlegal.com/codes/honolulu/latest/honolulu/0-0-0-41009
Airport-Sensitive place. Includes "non secure areas". So if you drop off or pick someone up. No exceptions
Public transportation-Sensitive place. The Bus or Handivan.
#3 "commercial establishment" covers basically everywhere.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 20, 2023, 12:36:15 PM
I got the ratchet type system instead of the normal 5 holes. At first, I wasn't a fan as I like the traditional belt holes. But for CCW, being able to adjust 2 milimeters at a time makes a HUGE difference. Compare this to a 5 hole belt where it's 1 inch adjustments.
https://www.koreessentials.com/products/x1-gun-buckle-black-reinforced-belt-set-1
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 20, 2023, 12:43:40 PM
KORE Essentials dress belt
I got the ratchet type system instead of the normal 5 holes. At first, I wasn't a fan as I like the traditional belt holes. But for CCW, being able to adjust 2 milimeters at a time makes a HUGE difference. Compare this to a 5 hole belt where it's 1 inch adjustments.
https://www.koreessentials.com/products/x1-gun-buckle-black-reinforced-belt-set-1
Nice.
Some concealed carry belt makers offer a choice to add more holes closer together, to get a more custom fit.
Mine from The Belt Man has 7 holes set 3/4" apart.
FYI.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on April 20, 2023, 01:59:36 PM
Nice.
Some concealed carry belt makers offer a choice to add more holes closer together, to get a more custom fit.
Mine from The Belt Man has 7 holes set 3/4" apart.
FYI.
:thumbsup: :geekdanc:
Sometimes a few mm makes a huge difference. InB4 that's what she said.
Post by: theJanitor on April 24, 2023, 08:20:37 AM
Post by: pacwire on April 30, 2023, 08:42:46 AM
Post by: RSN172 on April 30, 2023, 09:16:45 AM
Post by: ilikebigbots on April 30, 2023, 02:56:48 PM
So what do all you guys with permits plan to do starting tomorrow? Seems like it is impossible NOT to break the law during the course of most people's normal day.
i'm still going to continue to carry during my daily routine. just in some places i won't carry since i don't have to
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 01, 2023, 07:06:44 AM
So what do all you guys with permits plan to do starting tomorrow? Seems like it is impossible NOT to break the law during the course of most people's normal day.I have express consent from most of the places i go to on a regular basis. Began working on this a month ago as many corporate establishments, u have to go thru mainland corporate.
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Post by: RSN172 on May 01, 2023, 08:29:42 AM
I have express consent from most of the places i go to on a regular basis. Began working on this a month ago as many corporate establishments, u have to go thru mainland corporate.Smart move, planning ahead. Other than MAYBE a gun store, no one is going to put up a GUNS ALLOWED sign.
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My friend is a regular at the HiKai Starbucks. He saw a cop come in and immediately went to the manger and told him you have a no guns policy
and he wanted that cop to leave or take off his gun while inside. The manager told the cop to please wait outside and he will come take and bring him his order.
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 01, 2023, 08:57:48 AM
Smart move, planning ahead. Other than MAYBE a gun store, no one is going to put up a GUNS ALLOWED sign.
My friend is a regular at the HiKai Starbucks. He saw a cop come in and immediately went to the manger and told him you have a no guns policy
and he wanted that cop to leave or take off his gun while inside. The manager told the cop to please wait outside and he will come take and bring him his order.
Sbux must have a no guns policy that has no exceptions. But the ordinance does exclude police. So it's the businesses decision to kick them out. I asked Target and Target has a no guns policy that doesn't exclude armored car, of which need PERMISSION to be on property, if they use them. So I will email them to either not allow them or even if the manager gives permission, they would be violating corporate policy.
Thanks to sensitive places, things like this needs to be clarified.
Gun stores who don't have a guns allowed sign will have to give verbal permission to everyone who's also buying a gun. Because that gun is now in a case that is concealed. If no permission is granted, then every gun purchaser will be in violation of the ordinance. And a gun store falls under "retail establishment". Personally, I would not shop at a gun store that doesn't allow CCW or has a no CCW allowed sign.
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 01, 2023, 12:45:28 PM
You have a list of stores you got permission? Written or oral? Maybe we make a large list with proof of each place so we all don't have to do it one by one? Would that work?
Combo of both. But the issue may be that the mom n pop places gave me permission as I am a regular and IDK if that applies to others. I didn't ask.
What you should do and what everyone should do is if you're wondering about a big company, go to their company website and look for their corporate policy. Many times you will find your answer there. And if you cannot, email them to ask. This way you have documentation of the permission, instead of just a verbal. Which is 1 reason why HPD opposed this bill, it's almost impossible to enforce. 1 employee gives the Ok and another could say no. Versus a sign on the door that says "no guns allowed".
If they have no corporate policy online, then email them to find out.
Post by: Sodie on May 01, 2023, 05:52:03 PM
Post by: RSN172 on May 01, 2023, 06:06:31 PM
As I read the ordinance, businesses still have to post a sign to allow carry. I don’t see an option for verbal permission without having a sign posted…?No business is going to post a guns allowed sign. They would be afraid of getting sued if someone got shot. If I had a physical place of business open to the public I would have no signs for or against guns.
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 01, 2023, 07:00:31 PM
As I read the ordinance, businesses still have to post a sign to allow carry. I don’t see an option for verbal permission without having a sign posted…?Express consent can be verbal or written.
There are many forms of express consent.
Again, HPD testified its very difficult to enforce the default ban with no sign on the door.
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Post by: Sodie on May 01, 2023, 07:13:04 PM
Express consent can be verbal or written.
There are many forms of express consent.
Again, HPD testified its very difficult to enforce.
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I don’t see that in the law.
“§41-_.4 Prohibition against the public carrying of firearms in a sensitive location — Prohibition against carrying a firearm on a private business establishment’s or charitable establishment’s premises without express consent.
(a) Prohibition.. Except as otherwise provided by federal or State law, it is a violation of this article for any person to intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carry on their person a firearm, concealed or unconcealed, on the premises of:
(1) Any sensitive place; or
(2) Any business establishment or charitable establishment unless the business establishment or charitable establishment, or an agent thereof, had expressly consented thereto. For purposes of this subsection, signage must be in accordance with the requirements specified in §41-_.5.
The way that reads to me is that for a business to “expressly consent,” they must use signage per §41-_.5.
As with any other law, we never really know until it gets tested in court. Whether or not it’s difficult to enforce, seems to me if you carry into a business that doesn’t have a “guns allowed” sign, you’re rolling loaded dice.
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 01, 2023, 07:27:37 PM
I don’t see that in the law.I and others involved read the bold as a total separate option of type of express consent.
“§41-_.4 Prohibition against the public carrying of firearms in a sensitive location — Prohibition against carrying a firearm on a private business establishment’s or charitable establishment’s premises without express consent.
(a) Prohibition.. Except as otherwise provided by federal or State law, it is a violation of this article for any person to intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carry on their person a firearm, concealed or unconcealed, on the premises of:
(1) Any sensitive place; or
(2) Any business establishment or charitable establishment unless the business establishment or charitable establishment, or an agent thereof, had expressly consented thereto. For purposes of this subsection, signage must be in accordance with the requirements specified in §41-_.5.
The way that reads to me is that for a business to “expressly consent,” they must use signage per §41-_.5.
As with any other law, we never really know until it gets tested in court. Whether or not it’s difficult to enforce, seems to me if you carry into a business that doesn’t have a “guns allowed” sign, you’re rolling loaded dice.
In writting (email), video of verbal consent, or guns allowed sign is safer. As u can get a verbal (non video) and the person changes their mind or the emloyee no longer works there.
This is what hpd was referring to as a problem with enforcement. The default ban, how do we know they didnt get permission from someone else. A no guns allowed sign on the door is clear that theyre not allowed.
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Post by: Sodie on May 01, 2023, 07:47:46 PM
I and others involved read the bold as a total separate option of type of express consent.
In writting (email), video of verbal consent, or guns allowed sign is safer. As u can get a verbal (non video) and the person changes their mind or the emloyee no longer works there.
This is what hpd was referring to as a problem with enforcement. The default ban, how do we know they didnt get permission from someone else. A no guns allowed sign on the door is clear that theyre not allowed.
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I can see reading it that way, too. However, I would expect HPD to read it the same way I did, which could involve cuffs and a cell until it all gets worked out. “The process IS the punishment.”
Like I said, never really know until it gets tested in court… which I hope never happens, as in, “concealed means concealed” and I hope nobody ever gets rolled up for this.
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 01, 2023, 07:53:15 PM
I can see reading it that way, too. However, I would expect HPD to read it the same way I did, which could involve cuffs and a cell until it all gets worked out. “The process IS the punishment.”I watched every hearing and what i posted is what hpd thought in multiple hearings and their concern wasnt addressed.
Like I said, never really know until it gets tested in court… which I hope never happens, as in, “concealed means concealed” and I hope nobody ever gets rolled up for this.
But u are right, that someone unfortunatlly will have to be the test case.
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Post by: RSN172 on May 01, 2023, 10:58:30 PM
I can see reading it that way, too. However, I would expect HPD to read it the same way I did, which could involve cuffs and a cell until it all gets worked out. “The process IS the punishment.”It is like the wife who sends her husband grocery shopping and tells him to buy 10 to 12 oranges and if the store has watermelon buy one. So he comes back with one orange and she asks him, how come you only bought 1 orange. He says because the store had watermelon.
Post by: theJanitor on May 10, 2023, 10:39:04 AM
Got my notification on Friday.
How long did you wait? and how was notification handled (call or mail)?
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 17, 2023, 08:27:29 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 22, 2023, 08:39:54 AM
When going to Vegas a few times out of the year, it's a PITA to take a dump. But after CCWing for some time now, it's much easier to unstrap and restrap. It's like at first when you do something, there's a learning curve and it takes long to do. But as you do it more, it's easier and you find easier ways to do it. Still inconvenient, but it is what it is.
Post by: Direjackalope on May 22, 2023, 03:39:50 PM
Still no stores that I know of with a sign allowing carry. Basically a ban. When are the court cases going to be filed?
Alii Coins and Currency in Kaneohe has a Guns Allowed sign posted.
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 31, 2023, 08:24:05 AM
Just FYI, casino's do have "no guns signs", but they don't hold the weight of the law. The general senstive places NV does have are the federal level ones. Like schools, government buildings, airport buildings, etc...not retail stores or restaurants. But they do have BAC level while CCWing, which I don't drink so not an issue.
Post by: drck1000 on May 31, 2023, 08:39:34 AM
Just got back from Vegas and what a feeling it is to enjoy freedom again as Vegas has generally no sensitive places law. Lost my ass, so I use that I got to exercise my freedom as the price I paid for it. But kind of hits differently since HI now has CCW.There were a few guys from NJ in the class I was in last week and their infringements, including "lack of staffing", are horrendous. They made the stories I conveyed about CCW in HI seem like minor infringements. Where applications for their equivalent of a PITA can take months! Depending on which county/area. :wtf:
Just FYI, casino's do have "no guns signs", but they don't hold the weight of the law. The general senstive places NV does have are the federal level ones. Like schools, government buildings, airport buildings, etc...not retail stores or restaurants. But they do have BAC level while CCWing, which I don't drink so not an issue.
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 31, 2023, 10:37:19 AM
There were a few guys from NJ in the class I was in last week and their infringements, including "lack of staffing", are horrendous. They made the stories I conveyed about CCW in HI seem like minor infringements. Where applications for their equivalent of a PITA can take months! Depending on which county/area. :wtf:
This is why I had trouble figuring out which stats are worst than HI. Each has their worst and even worst areas of laws.
Like CA issues CCW's and HI didn't. Even though LA county issued like only 6 at the time during that year. HI was still 0. CA has mag ban, but grandfathered in. HI has no grandfather clause. CA has featureless or register. HI all must be registered, but no featureless option. And NJ and NY has similar worst or even worst laws.
I know a guy who's applied for San Diego CCW. Imagine covid HPD online registration, but for CCW's. That's how it is. Then once you get approved for an appointment and pass, you then have to take the class and then submit all docs online. So it's not like you can take the class and submit online during your scheduled RSVP time slot. He got lucky though, instead of waiting a year, he got a cancelled slot and jumped right in.
Post by: Eo12 on June 03, 2023, 09:29:43 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 05, 2023, 10:00:46 AM
I did notice that my wedge was becoming more flat as the top of the pistol (striker plate area) was starting to print. I solved this when I got back home by putting another tiny wedge under the main one. I have the Phlster wedge kid. With time, the wedges do flatten out. In this case, it took about 5 months of EDCing to flatten. So the lesson is to do gear checks periodically.
Post by: drck1000 on June 05, 2023, 10:19:49 AM
We were in Vegas and got to enjoy our freedom again. No sensitive places BS like how HI has. Mrs. CMO purse carried as she's preggers. She didn't realize how much more a pistol and spare mag add to the weight of the purse until we had to go to the airport and store the firearm in the case. Mrs. CMO does have the enigma, but she prefers purse carry.Congratulations :P
I did notice that my wedge was becoming more flat as the top of the pistol (striker plate area) was starting to print. I solved this when I got back home by putting another tiny wedge under the main one. I have the Phlster wedge kid. With time, the wedges do flatten out. In this case, it took about 5 months of EDCing to flatten. So the lesson is to do gear checks periodically.
When I was in Ohio (constitutional carry state) for pistol class, I carried all over. Had some good discussions with folks in the class on "in vehicle" courses that they took. Was pretty interesting. When on the trip, I CCWed a new/er/ish pistol and didn't use a wedge. Seemed fine. No hot spots in carrying, or during the class.
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 05, 2023, 11:53:14 AM
Congratulations :P
When I was in Ohio (constitutional carry state) for pistol class, I carried all over. Had some good discussions with folks in the class on "in vehicle" courses that they took. Was pretty interesting. When on the trip, I CCWed a new/er/ish pistol and didn't use a wedge. Seemed fine. No hot spots in carrying, or during the class.
Mrs. CMO took a vehicle CCW course at her A Girl and a Gun conference 2 years ago. She had lots of fun. Main thing is if there's a passenger, have the convo with them prior to, to keep back in the seat. IDK if they went over windshield ballistics. As in shooting out of the windshield from inside the car.
A friend went to the ShivWorks vechicle class. Something she learned there if the badguy is in the seat next to you was to unstrap the seatbelt and cross over to the bad guys side ASAP. The bad habit people have is staying in their seat trying to fight the invader.
Post by: drck1000 on June 05, 2023, 12:36:18 PM
Mrs. CMO took a vehicle CCW course at her A Girl and a Gun conference 2 years ago. She had lots of fun. Main thing is if there's a passenger, have the convo with them prior to, to keep back in the seat. IDK if they went over windshield ballistics. As in shooting out of the windshield from inside the car.I've done a couple vehicle ones. The guys that I was chatting with said they had setups where a fresh front windshield was used to test/shoot. Good stuff, but damn. Didnt ask about the pricing for those classes. Trust bu verify.
A friend went to the ShivWorks vechicle class. Something she learned there if the badguy is in the seat next to you was to unstrap the seatbelt and cross over to the bad guys side ASAP. The bad habit people have is staying in their seat trying to fight the invader.
Badguy? Isn't that discrimination? Haha. I've seen videos of the "in car jiujistu", which are both :rofl: and :facepalm: worthy.
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 05, 2023, 12:42:09 PM
I've done a couple vehicle ones. The guys that I was chatting with said they had setups where a fresh front windshield was used to test/shoot. Good stuff, but damn. Didnt ask about the pricing for those classes. Trust bu verify.
Badguy? Isn't that discrimination? Haha. I've seen videos of the "in car jiujistu", which are both :rofl: and :facepalm: worthy.
Badtheythem
Post by: glockfanboy808 on June 08, 2023, 08:35:28 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 08, 2023, 08:46:33 AM
Should we still apply for ccw in oahu?
Yes. If you need a why, LMK and I'll post more.
Post by: glockfanboy808 on June 08, 2023, 08:56:22 AM
Yes. If you need a why, LMK and I'll post more.
Yes, if it’s not too much trouble. Thank you.
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 08, 2023, 09:18:54 AM
Yes, if it’s not too much trouble. Thank you.
1) If not many apply, then lawmakers will use lack of demand to push even more laws. "no one really wants it" or "this new law would only affect a small percent". Which we are seeing now as there are only 1000 applicants of which, some are duplicates due to multiple guns. Over the years, I've heard many complain about CCW and some haven't even bothered because "it's too humbug" or "no can carry anywhere with sensitive places anyways" or "it's only for 1 year and too humbug".
2) When a lawsuit is filed or needs plaintiffs, being a current CCW holder would be required. Or if an injunction is issued, it would apply to CCW holders/plantiffs only.
3) By having a CCW, you're sticking it to HI's anti 2a lawmakers and the chiefs who've denied CCW for decades. It's the principal of the matter
4) Bragging rights
5) What if you needed it and didn't apply/have it. The thought would be in the back of your head, "damn, I wish I had my CCW". Better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it saying comes to mind.
6) FREEDOM, well some freedom anyways due to sensitive places.
Post by: Rocky on June 08, 2023, 04:21:21 PM
1) If not many apply, then lawmakers will use lack of demand to push even more laws. "no one really wants it" or "this new law would only affect a small percent". Which we are seeing now as there are only 1000 applicants of which, some are duplicates due to multiple guns. Over the years, I've heard many complain about CCW and some haven't even bothered because "it's too humbug" or "no can carry anywhere with sensitive places anyways" or "it's only for 1 year and too humbug".
2) When a lawsuit is filed or needs plaintiffs, being a current CCW holder would be required. Or if an injunction is issued, it would apply to CCW holders/plantiffs only.
3) By having a CCW, you're sticking it to HI's anti 2a lawmakers and the chiefs who've denied CCW for decades. It's the principal of the matter
4) Bragging rights
5) What if you needed it and didn't apply/have it. The thought would be in the back of your head, "damn, I wish I had my CCW". Better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it saying comes to mind.
6) FREEDOM, well some freedom anyways due to sensitive places.
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 08, 2023, 06:14:32 PM
+ new rules for LTC come January 1, 2024 :shake:4 year ccw. But i dont expect anyone to get the new ccw until june. Which makes just over a year the c&c sensitive places took effect.
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Post by: theJanitor on June 21, 2023, 01:38:54 PM
also, can anyone confirm that notification of the license comes through certified mail, that needs to be signed for?
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 22, 2023, 09:41:33 AM
Do you have to apply in the county you reside in?
also, can anyone confirm that notification of the license comes through certified mail, that needs to be signed for?
No, you can apply and get for any county as long as you're a HI resident. IDK if this changes on 1/24; I haven't read into it yet. I'm more focused on senstive places portion.
For Oahu COunty, it comes via cert mail that someone has to sign for. However, you don't have to bring the letter to HPD. So in theory, if you have USPS notification and are not expecting any other letter from the C&C, then you might be able to assume this is your approval letter.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 22, 2023, 11:24:32 AM
No, you can apply and get for any county as long as you're a HI resident. IDK if this changes on 1/24; I haven't read into it yet. I'm more focused on senstive places portion.
For Oahu COunty, it comes via cert mail that someone has to sign for. However, you don't have to bring the letter to HPD. So in theory, if you have USPS notification and are not expecting any other letter from the C&C, then you might be able to assume this is your approval letter.
To be more specific, you need to apply in the county/counties you expect to carry in. So, if you live on Maui and commute weekly to Oahu for work, you should apply in both Maui and Honolulu counties.
p.s. When did Oahu become a county?
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 22, 2023, 11:53:35 AM
To be more specific, you need to apply in the county/counties you expect to carry in. So, if you live on Maui and commute weekly to Oahu for work, you should apply in both Maui and Honolulu counties.
p.s. When did Oahu become a county?
No focus. Honolulu county. At least I spelled it correctly and didn't type country. :rofl:
I know 1 guy who applied for multiple counties and lives on Oahu. But didn't apply for Honolulu county.
Post by: theJanitor on June 23, 2023, 02:13:12 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 23, 2023, 02:40:32 PM
any permit issued is recognized statewide, right?
Wrong.
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§134-9 Licenses to carry. (a) In an exceptional case, when an applicant shows reason tohttps://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/HRS_0134-0009.htm
fear injury to the applicant's person or property, the chief of police of the appropriate county
may grant a license to an applicant who is a citizen of the United States of the age of twenty-
one years or more or to a duly accredited official representative of a foreign nation of the age
of twenty-one years or more to carry a pistol or revolver and ammunition therefor concealed
on the person within the county where the license is granted.
Post by: theJanitor on June 23, 2023, 02:56:25 PM
Wrong.
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/HRS_0134-0009.htm
OK. Thanks. I saw in the earlier versions of SB1230, it was going to be recognized statewide
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 23, 2023, 03:15:49 PM
OK. Thanks. I saw in the earlier versions of SB1230, it was going to be recognized statewide
SB1230 SD2 says:
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SECTION 7. Section 134-9, Hawaii Revised Statutes, is amended to read as follows:https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessions/session2023/bills/SB1230_SD2_.HTM
"§134-9 Licenses to carry. (a) [In an exceptional case, when an applicant shows reason to fear injury to the applicant's person or property, the] The chief of police of the appropriate county [may] shall grant a license to an applicant who is a [citizen of the United States of the age of twenty-one years or more or to a duly accredited official representative of a foreign nation] resident of the State of the age of twenty-one years or more to carry a pistol or revolver and ammunition therefor concealed on the person within the county where the license is granted[.] upon determination by the chief of police that the applicant meets all the requirements set forth in this section.
:shaka:
Post by: theJanitor on June 23, 2023, 03:22:01 PM
SB1230 SD2 says:https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessions/session2023/bills/SB1230_SD2_.HTM
:shaka:
this is what I saw in SB1230_CD1_ pdf. I guess they realized there was too much freedom in that paragraph
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 23, 2023, 03:28:01 PM
this is what I saw in SB1230_CD1_ pdf. I guess they realized there was too much freedom in that paragraph
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-sFGRXqP/0/32e8e69e/M/i-sFGRXqP-M.png)
Our state will likely be sued to make the licenses valid in all counties, but they fully intend to stop everyone from carrying as much as possible.
Post by: zippz on June 23, 2023, 06:49:48 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 10, 2023, 09:17:03 AM
Here's another $200 spent on more gear. But still haven't really shot since range closed, so saving more than that much in ammo a month. So g2g.
Post by: theJanitor on July 14, 2023, 11:29:24 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 14, 2023, 12:08:43 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 17, 2023, 11:13:50 AM
Post by: macsak on July 17, 2023, 11:48:20 AM
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At least 2 Foodland locations have removed their "no guns allowed" signage. I'm pretty sure this is due to their new corp policy about signage.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on July 17, 2023, 11:55:36 AM
???
quote author=changemyoil66 link=topic=48577.msg456667#msg456667 date=1689628430]
At least 2 Foodland locations have removed their "no guns allowed" signage. I'm pretty sure this is due to their new corp policy about signage.
Their corporate policy must have stated all stores must post the "no guns allowed" signage, even though there's a default ban. Now it's no signage is needed, but the states default ban still holds unless permission is granted.
Post by: macsak on July 17, 2023, 12:03:20 PM
Their corporate policy must have stated all stores must post the "no guns allowed" signage, even though there's a default ban. Now it's no signage is needed, but the states default ban still holds unless permission is granted.
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 17, 2023, 12:24:31 PM
so, you are assuming, or you know there's a policy?
I'm assuming because for these signs to be up at all of their stores isn't a coincidence. Then for these signs to be taken down at at least 2 stores, again is not a coincidence.
I used phrases in my post like "Their corp policy must have stated" and "I'm pretty sure this is due to...", which means I'm not 100%. Or I would have posted instead "Their corp policy stated all stores..." or "I'm sure this is due to...".
Post by: macsak on July 17, 2023, 12:31:13 PM
"not a coincidence" does not equal "new corporate policy"
focus
I'm assuming because for these signs to be up at all of their stores isn't a coincidence. Then for these signs to be taken down at at least 2 stores, again is not a coincidence.
I used phrases in my post like "Their corp policy must have stated" and "I'm pretty sure this is due to...", which means I'm not 100%. Or I would have posted instead "Their corp policy stated all stores..." or "I'm sure this is due to...".
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 17, 2023, 12:35:24 PM
not speculative enough
"not a coincidence" does not equal "new corporate policy"
focus
Speculation is to each their own. Like how #noteverythingistinfoil. So in my mind, this is enough to speculate, but not "proven", which is why I used the words that I used.
Post by: macsak on July 17, 2023, 12:38:17 PM
Speculation is to each their own. Like how #noteverythingistinfoil. So in my mind, this is enough to speculate, but not "proven", which is why I used the words that I used.
"their new corporate policy" is not speculation...
Post by: macsak on July 17, 2023, 12:38:42 PM
"their new corporate policy" is not speculation...
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 17, 2023, 12:45:32 PM
"their new corporate policy" is not speculation...
Read before that and it will imply speculation.
Post by: macsak on July 17, 2023, 01:44:19 PM
no speculation about whether or not a new corporate poilcy was made
only a definitive statement that it exists...
Read before that and it will imply speculation.
Post by: zippz on July 17, 2023, 04:23:52 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 18, 2023, 08:31:26 AM
Take note of what stores have or don't have a sign before and after the TRO gets approved. Going to be interesting.
Even if a TRO is granted (not holding my breath), any no guns allowed signs wont have the weight of the law with regard to what the TRO grants. Like banks, private property, and restaurants that serve booze. The judge could grant a partial TRO and only for a few places and not all. That is another possibility.
Post by: Rocky on July 19, 2023, 03:51:45 PM
Has anyone got a license approved recently?I just heard from someone who got theirs.
160 days after applying. :crazy:
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 20, 2023, 06:19:22 AM
I just heard from someone who got theirs.I know 2 guys waiting since end of jan (180 days almost)
160 days after applying. :crazy:
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Post by: QUIETShooter on July 20, 2023, 06:44:34 AM
And even that you probably gotta wait at least 90 days, because, you know, only get one person taking care of the CCW permits and he might not be the brightest bulb of the bunch.....(he might not know what a Saint or Pope is) :rofl:
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 20, 2023, 09:37:09 AM
I think you have to be a Saint ordained by the Church or the Pope himself.
And even that you probably gotta wait at least 90 days, because, you know, only get one person taking care of the CCW permits and he might not be the brightest bulb of the bunch.....(he might not know what a Saint or Pope is) :rofl:
More like 1 person who works on it for 2 hrs and only every Tuesday.
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 27, 2023, 08:11:32 AM
So i put card board and it hides the printing.
Of course only a 2a or cop would notice.
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 27, 2023, 08:15:21 AM
Got my fanny pack for when carrying our baby. The outside pocket prints when i store the mag there. Like how my boto prints thru my pants.
So i put card board and it hides the printing.
Of course only a 2a or cop would notice.
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Is there a law that says a magazine not inserted in a firearm can't print ... or be openly displayed in public?
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 27, 2023, 08:24:22 AM
Is there a law that says a magazine not inserted in a firearm can't print ... or be openly displayed in public?
There should be laws about printing botos. :rofl:
Just kidding. Print away.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 27, 2023, 08:33:46 AM
There should be laws about printing botos. :rofl:
Just kidding. Print away.
Homophobe! :rofl:
Post by: Rocky on July 27, 2023, 09:32:19 AM
"The outside pocket prints when i store the mag there. Like how my boto prints thru my pants."
5 round mag ? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
"So i put card board and it hides the printing."
Doesn't cardboard chafe boto ? :wacko:
Post by: glockfanboy808 on July 27, 2023, 11:24:22 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 27, 2023, 05:33:57 PM
A right handed holsters holes would attach the holster to the outside panel of the pack.
Brand is Spiritus Systems. It fits a shield plus exactlly. Anything bigger, u will have a problem.
I was looking at the SiG Rose fanny and would just black sharpie the rose logo. But Spiritus one popped up on my Youtube via TFB's channel.
For the clips, i chose Neomag Alias and the velcro.
Holster is CrossBreed. I didnt want the holster with velcro on it cause theres no way to adjust retention.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230728/205b1d21f732006c298a0ff565de6246.jpg)
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Post by: stangzilla on July 28, 2023, 12:07:16 AM
Used a pocket holster with my P365 bc easy to conceal and most comfortable with wearing shorts and t-shirt
Ran a couple errands and just chilled at a friend's house in his garage
Didn't tell my friend I was carrying. He didnt even notice that I was
Most times I will use this setup unless I need a light. Then I'll use the G19 with light and red dot and holster
Also have a holster for the Sig
Sig I have a separate slide with red dot or slide without red dot. That way I dont need to take the optic off and on the slide. But if I want a red dot I'll probably use the G19
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 28, 2023, 07:24:05 AM
First day carrying
Used a pocket holster with my P365 bc easy to conceal and most comfortable with wearing shorts and t-shirt
Ran a couple errands and just chilled at a friend's house in his garage
Didn't tell my friend I was carrying. He didnt even notice that I was
Most times I will use this setup unless I need a light. Then I'll use the G19 with light and red dot and holster
Also have a holster for the Sig
Sig I have a separate slide with red dot or slide without red dot. That way I dont need to take the optic off and on the slide. But if I want a red dot I'll probably use the G19
:thumbsup:
I bought a Rolex years ago, and it took me about 2 months wearing it outside the home to finally stop being self-conscious about not damaging it.
Carrying in public, both concealed and openly, was very similar. After you do it enough times, you almost forget you have a piece on you.
At some point, you'll start to feel naked when you don't have it just because you've become accustomed to the feel of it.
That's when you have to be extra careful where you go. Lots of people travel on airlines and totally forget they have a gun in their purse or backpack. Here, you have to watch out for all the "sensitive places", or as I like to call them, 2A landmines.
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 28, 2023, 08:15:00 AM
Even if it is in this dick-tator run banana republik called Hawaii.
Be safe, guys, stay safe and God Bless. :shaka:
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 28, 2023, 09:06:13 AM
Ran a couple errands and just chilled at a friend's house in his garage
Didn't tell my friend I was carrying. He didnt even notice that I was
Any private property entry requires permission per state law.
Post by: stangzilla on July 28, 2023, 09:08:51 AM
Any private property entry requires permission per state law.
ok. thanks
although I'm sure my friend wouldn't object
but good to know
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 28, 2023, 01:47:48 PM
ok. thanksIf u have to use ur gun, hpd will ask ur friend if he gave u permission.
although I'm sure my friend wouldn't object
but good to know
I ask for on going permission until its revoked. This way u dont gotta ask every time.
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 29, 2023, 01:39:47 PM
If u have to use ur gun, hpd will ask ur friend if he gave u permission.
I ask for on going permission until its revoked. This way u dont gotta ask every time.
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I'm going to open a new niche marketing company to target the anti-CCW crowd here.
I'll be selling metal detector wands and gates for home use.
It'll save that awkward situation of having to ask if visitors are armed -- and then having to trust they are telling the truth.
"Hi! Welcome! Please put all your metal in that basket by the door and come on in. My daughter, Lindsey, will wand you as you enter the house. She gets such a kick out of that! I think she's a budding TSA agent!"
:geekdanc: :rofl:
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 30, 2023, 11:42:59 AM
I'm going to open a new niche marketing company to target the anti-CCW crowd here.Sell 1 wand for business places and 1 for home only. Since the people who want to ban legal guns are dumb enough.
I'll be selling metal detector wands and gates for home use.
It'll save that awkward situation of having to ask if visitors are armed -- and then having to trust they are telling the truth.
"Hi! Welcome! Please put all your metal in that basket by the door and come on in. My daughter, Lindsey, will wand you as you enter the house. She gets such a kick out of that! I think she's a budding TSA agent!"
:geekdanc: :rofl:
Marketing 101.
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Post by: theJanitor on August 02, 2023, 02:50:15 PM
is it this? SB1230-SD2?
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessions/session2023/bills/SB1230_SD2_.HTM
Post by: glockfanboy808 on August 05, 2023, 05:52:55 PM
Post by: stangzilla on August 06, 2023, 10:07:32 AM
Got my usps ticket today that had city and county on it had 3 letters on it, but I wasn’t able to pick it up because I was not home. Since I had to get it signed, does that mean I got approved? Or when you get denied it’s just a letter in the mail no signature required. Just curious. Or I won’t know until I open the letter.
Probably approved
If there was something wrong, they wont say anything. Just wait until you call them. Distract and delay is the game they play
Post by: Sodie on August 06, 2023, 06:30:24 PM
I’ve seen/heard of a couple of things that I couldn’t find a reference for in the current guidance:
- A requirement to have proof of registration for your licensed firearm with you while carrying
- A requirement to have express permission to carry on ANY private property (not just business/charitable establishments), like going to your buddy’s house
Does anybody know where those appear in the HRS or ROH?
Thanks!
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 06, 2023, 07:31:08 PM
Question for the group. I was going through the Rules of the Chief of Police, HRS, and ROH to summarize the requirements and restrictions for somebody with an LTC concealed.
I’ve seen/heard of a couple of things that I couldn’t find a reference for in the current guidance:
- A requirement to have proof of registration for your licensed firearm with you while carrying
- A requirement to have express permission to carry on ANY private property (not just business/charitable establishments), like going to your buddy’s house
Does anybody know where those appear in the HRS or ROH?
Thanks!
Look sb1230 cd1.
The hrs online hasnt been updated.
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Post by: Sodie on August 06, 2023, 07:41:13 PM
Look sb1230 cd1.
The hrs online hasnt been updated.
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Thanks! :shaka:
On another note, looks like the governor signed it two months ago… but they haven’t updated the online HRS yet? I guess it’s harder than I thought to update a completely text-based website. ::)
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 07, 2023, 09:15:28 AM
Thanks! :shaka:
On another note, looks like the governor signed it two months ago… but they haven’t updated the online HRS yet? I guess it’s harder than I thought to update a completely text-based website. ::)
Since I've been following laws/bills related to the 2A, it's always uploaded by the end of day of effective date. Unless this fell on a weekend or holiday, then it's the next business day. And all by end of day. So the state is intentionally not posting it so they can trap people cause they're unaware of the law. And they will say "we are not required to post the laws online. If you want the law, you need to contact X department".
#noteverythingistinfoil
Post by: glockfanboy808 on August 07, 2023, 04:54:35 PM
Also do we need insurance?
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 07, 2023, 05:19:21 PM
I want to make sure we are following the law. But as of 8/7/23, if we have our ccw permit in the state of oahu. Where are we legally allowed to carry? I’m assuming a lot of people have the same question.Oahu is an island (honolulu county), not a state. This matters because ur ccw permit is only valid in the county u got it in and not valid state wide.
Also do we need insurance?
So u can only carry on the public sidewalk. Everywhere else requires permission. This is sb1230 specific, and not going into places to keep law.
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Post by: glockfanboy808 on August 07, 2023, 05:25:38 PM
Oahu is an island (honolulu county), not a state. This matters because ur ccw permit is only valid in the county u got it in and not valid state wide.
So u can only carry on the public sidewalk. Everywhere else requires permission. This is sb1230 specific, and not going into places to keep law.
So if I wanted to carry at a friends house. I would have to ask permission?
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Post by: Sodie on August 07, 2023, 06:12:08 PM
So if I wanted to carry at a friends house. I would have to ask permission?
If you want to carry legally at a friend’s house you would need that friend’s permission.
Post by: dafrtknocker on August 07, 2023, 06:50:59 PM
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessions/session2023/bills/SB1230_CD1_.HTM
Post by: Sodie on August 07, 2023, 07:13:16 PM
SB 1230
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessions/session2023/bills/SB1230_CD1_.HTM
Now officially known as “Act 052” since it got signed.
Also says if you take a handgun you don’t have an LTC for, between any of the good old authorized places, it now must be in a LOCKED container. ::)
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 07, 2023, 09:40:19 PM
Now officially known as “Act 052” since it got signed.Im waiting to see how its posted as a HRS 134. Cause in the act/bill it has a letter designated to this portion. So sounds like its not limited to only if leaving ur ccw permitted gun in ur car when visiting a sensitive place.
Also says if you take a handgun you don’t have an LTC for, between any of the good old authorized places, it now must be in a LOCKED container. ::)
Compared to if it was a subsection of a hrs134 main topic, which would mean it only applies to a ccw permitted gun.
Make sense?
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Post by: zippz on August 08, 2023, 11:04:49 AM
Now officially known as “Act 052” since it got signed.
Also says if you take a handgun you don’t have an LTC for, between any of the good old authorized places, it now must be in a LOCKED container. ::)
It's if you leave the gun unattended in the car, locked and out of sight. Like if you stop at a gun store or use the bathroom on the way to the range.
If you are with the gun the whole time, it doesn't have to be locked.
Post by: Sodie on August 08, 2023, 06:41:06 PM
It's if you leave the gun unattended in the car, locked and out of sight. Like if you stop at a gun store or use the bathroom on the way to the range.
If you are with the gun the whole time, it doesn't have to be locked.
Sadly, not true. It modifies §134-25, the “Place to keep pistol or revolver; penalty” part that applies to any transportation not under your LTC (like going to the range, bringing your new blaster home from the shop, bringing it to HPD to register, etc.). It strikes the word “enclosed” and replaces it with “locked.”
It also adds a definition of “locked container.”
From the Act:
“[134-25] Place to keep pistol or revolver; penalty. (a) Except as provided in sections 134-5 and 134-9, all firearms shall be confined to the possessor's place of business, residence, or sojourn; provided that it shall be lawful to carry unloaded firearms in [
(1) A place of repair;
(2) A target range;
(3) A licensed dealer's place of business;
(4) An organized, scheduled firearms show or exhibit;
(5) A place of formal hunter or firearm use training or instruction; or
(6) A police station.“
“‘Locked container’ means a secure container that is fully enclosed, capable of preventing an unauthorized person from obtaining access to or possession of the firearm contained therein, and locked by a padlock, keylock, keypad, combination lock, or similar locking device. The term "locked container" does not include the trunk or the utility or glove compartment of a motor vehicle.”
Class B felony if you don’t…
Post by: zippz on August 08, 2023, 07:49:22 PM
Sadly, not true. It modifies §134-25, the “Place to keep pistol or revolver; penalty” part that applies to any transportation not under your LTC (like going to the range, bringing your new blaster home from the shop, bringing it to HPD to register, etc.). It strikes the word “enclosed” and replaces it with “locked.”
It also adds a definition of “locked container.”
From the Act:
“[134-25] Place to keep pistol or revolver; penalty. (a) Except as provided in sections 134-5 and 134-9, all firearms shall be confined to the possessor's place of business, residence, or sojourn; provided that it shall be lawful to carry unloaded firearms in [an enclosed] a locked container from the place of purchase to the purchaser's place of business, residence, or sojourn, or between these places upon change of place of business, residence, or sojourn, or between these places and the following:
(1) A place of repair;
(2) A target range;
(3) A licensed dealer's place of business;
(4) An organized, scheduled firearms show or exhibit;
(5) A place of formal hunter or firearm use training or instruction; or
(6) A police station.“
“‘Locked container’ means a secure container that is fully enclosed, capable of preventing an unauthorized person from obtaining access to or possession of the firearm contained therein, and locked by a padlock, keylock, keypad, combination lock, or similar locking device. The term "locked container" does not include the trunk or the utility or glove compartment of a motor vehicle.”
Class B felony if you don’t…
You're looking at the old version of the bill. The proposal above was removed from the final bill by Rep Tarnas after the crossover. There is no mention of "place to keep" in the final bill. Therefore locked containers only apply to firearms left unattended.
Final bill
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessions/session2023/bills/SB1230_CD1_.HTM
It is still good practice to abide by the locked container law as you never know when you have to leave the firearm unattended in a vehicle for whatever unexpected reason.
Post by: Sodie on August 08, 2023, 09:07:05 PM
You're looking at the old version of the bill. The proposal above was removed from the final bill by Rep Tarnas after the crossover. There is no mention of "place to keep" in the final bill. Therefore locked containers only apply to firearms left unattended.
Final bill
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessions/session2023/bills/SB12 30_CD1_.HTM
It is still good practice to abide by the locked container law as you never know when you have to leave the firearm unattended in a vehicle for whatever unexpected reason.
Whew.
You know, it would be a lot less confusing if they’d just update the online f-ing HRS… :grrr:
Post by: QUIETShooter on August 08, 2023, 09:23:47 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 08, 2023, 10:00:48 PM
Whew.Theyre not and for a reason...
You know, it would be a lot less confusing if they’d just update the online f-ing HRS… :grrr:
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Post by: Tacticoolest on October 18, 2023, 12:08:07 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 18, 2023, 01:28:23 PM
Anybody know the going rates on the just getting the proficiency test done for renewal or a new gun. I already passed the written/lecture course and wanted to add a new firearm for me to carry legally. Thanks
I would say all renewals are on pause since the requirements are changing on 1/1/24. If HPD does things like how they've already done, any renewal submitted prior to the end of the year and it isn't issued, will be on hold until the new requirements are met. I'm going to assume they won't be in a rush to issue the renewal.
Post by: macsak on October 18, 2023, 02:56:53 PM
got it...
I would say all renewals are on pause since the requirements are changing on 1/1/24. If HPD does things like how they've already done, any renewal submitted prior to the end of the year and it isn't issued, will be on hold until the new requirements are met. I'm going to assume they won't be in a rush to issue the renewal.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 18, 2023, 03:51:04 PM
so you're guessing
got it...
Correct.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 18, 2023, 04:38:11 PM
1) WHen Bruen was annouced, hundreds of people applied. The chief could have issued CCW's under the current rules. But instead decided let the rules change and wait until then. This took months. During this wait, all apps were on hold.
2) Once the NEW rules were established, letters went out giving people 60 days (?) to complete the additional requirements. And anyone who didn't was denied.
On 1/1/24, there was an additional requirement for the CCW course. This would mean anyone who took the old requirements and have their apps pending, may be told what I posted because HPD has already done this in June when Bruen was announced.
3) There is no law on how long HPD must approve applicants. On 1/1/24 there is a law that is an automatic denied if it takes longer than 120 days. No automatic approval like if NICS takes long to come back. Which is why i posted above about HPD not being in a rush.
4) We have seen applicants take on average 4-5 months to be approved under the current process.
But again, despite all the above actually happening, I am guessing on what will happen.
Post by: macsak on October 18, 2023, 06:44:40 PM
got it...
Info that supports my guess.
1) WHen Bruen was annouced, hundreds of people applied. The chief could have issued CCW's under the current rules. But instead decided let the rules change and wait until then. This took months. During this wait, all apps were on hold.
2) Once the NEW rules were established, letters went out giving people 60 days (?) to complete the additional requirements. And anyone who didn't was denied.
On 1/1/24, there was an additional requirement for the CCW course. This would mean anyone who took the old requirements and have their apps pending, may be told what I posted because HPD has already done this in June when Bruen was announced.
3) There is no law on how long HPD must approve applicants. On 1/1/24 there is a law that is an automatic denied if it takes longer than 120 days. No automatic approval like if NICS takes long to come back. Which is why i posted above about HPD not being in a rush.
4) We have seen applicants take on average 4-5 months to be approved under the current process.
But again, despite all the above actually happening, I am guessing on what will happen.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 18, 2023, 07:14:37 PM
so you're assumingFor the 2nd time, yes.
got it...
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Post by: macsak on October 18, 2023, 07:18:20 PM
For the 2nd time, yes.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on October 18, 2023, 08:11:21 PM
please show me where i said "assuming" twice...For the 3rd time, yes.
InB4speculating
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Post by: Tacticoolest on October 19, 2023, 02:27:11 PM
https://a.co/d/iKLhAm2
Inexpensive, probably easy to be broken in to if determined. Car locked and hidden under the seat. Strapped to my seat frame. Barely fits Glock 45. Will fit Glock 17 and 2 mags with no room for anything else.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 19, 2023, 02:45:21 PM
I picked this up to be legal when I can't carry to surf
https://a.co/d/iKLhAm2
Inexpensive, probably easy to be broken in to if determined. Car locked and hidden under the seat. Strapped to my seat frame. Barely fits Glock 45. Will fit Glock 17 and 2 mags with no room for anything else.
This will be useful because in certain places you are allowed to leave your locked gun in a car, as long as the locked container is not in view from the outside. So a restaurant that serves alcohol and you want to go in, you can leave the gun in the car.
Post by: glockfanboy808 on November 02, 2023, 12:22:23 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 02, 2023, 12:47:36 PM
Due to the firearms and sensitive places that hifico posted on their Instagram as of today 11/2/23. Ccw is now allowed in restaurants, malls, beaches, parks. It is now legal to carry a firearm if you have ccw license. Is that correct? Just need some confirmation. Thank you.
Since HIFICO is the one winning lawsuits, I would take what they say as accurate.
Post by: stangzilla on November 03, 2023, 06:18:29 AM
Since HIFICO is the one winning lawsuits, I would take what they say as accurate.That's good news
Post by: stangzilla on November 03, 2023, 06:28:02 AM
Due to our "sensitive places lawsuit," Honolulu is no longer able to enforce parts of its sensitive places ordinance
In their own words:
"Due to a recent court ruling in Hawai‘i (which is currently being appealed), the City cannot enforce the “sensitive places” law in the following places:
Public parks and beaches
Banks and businesses that serve alcohol for consumption on the premises (though those businesses may still prohibit firearms if they wish)
Parking lots that serve both government buildings and private businesses"
This means that on Oahu, you can now legally carry in these locations without threat of arrest if you have a valid concealed carry license.
In addition, state law has a preemption clause that invalidates the prohibition on carrying on public transport (you may carry, unloaded in a locked container) and invalidates the public gathering prohibition (distance-based is invalid and the sign must have signage along its entire length)
Act 52 "(g) If any ordinance of any county of the State
establishing locations where the carrying of firearms is
prohibited is inconsistent with this section or with section
134—E, the ordinance shall be void to the extent of the
inconsistency. "
There may be other parts of the law found invalid, but until the bill is installed into the HRS it will be very hard to see them.
Mahailo to our attorneys in this case, Attorney Alan Beck and Kevin O'Grady.
From their FB post, I don't see anything about malls
Post by: glockfanboy808 on November 03, 2023, 04:49:06 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 03, 2023, 04:53:47 PM
If we have our Oahu ccw license, will that license allow us to ccw in Las Vegas? Or will we need a different ccw license?
Oahu or any counties CCW isn't valid for Vegas/NV. Other states may apply, you need to check the recprocity map. Or if u visit vegas often, it's worth it to get a NV one. We go all the time so we got ours. Plus you can now be within 1000ft of a school gun free zone.
Post by: RSN172 on November 03, 2023, 08:01:10 PM
Oahu or any counties CCW isn't valid for Vegas/NV. Other states may apply, you need to check the recprocity map. Or if u visit vegas often, it's worth it to get a NV one. We go all the time so we got ours. Plus you can now be within 1000ft of a school gun free zone.
Or get an Utah permit here and you can use that in Vegas. Getting a NV permit is great, but you have to take the class in NV and either submit or pick up the permit in person.
You will not be able to get a NV permit in time to carry while there as it will take about 30 to 50 days.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 03, 2023, 08:07:58 PM
Or get an Utah permit here and you can use that in Vegas. Getting a NV permit is great, but you have to take the class in NV and either submit or pick up the permit in person.
You will not be able to get a NV permit in time to carry while there as it will take about 30 to 50 days.
Plus, when you renew a NV permit, you have to go to NV, too.
Not saying a forced trip to Vegas is a bad thing!
You either have to apply in person, or pick the permit up in person. Residents obviously can do both, but for non-residents, it's easier to apply/renew in person and have them mail it.
And you must renew in the same county that issued it. If you had it issued in Clark Co, you have to renew it there.
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 04, 2023, 11:43:32 AM
Plus, when you renew a NV permit, you have to go to NV, too.If u go vegas once a year or less, then UT would be better. Mrs cmo and i go 2-5x a year. Well prebaby anyways
Not saying a forced trip to Vegas is a bad thing!
You either have to apply in person, or pick the permit up in person. Residents obviously can do both, but for non-residents, it's easier to apply/renew in person and have them mail it.
And you must renew in the same county that issued it. If you had it issued in Clark Co, you have to renew it there.
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Post by: ilikebigbots on November 09, 2023, 10:04:14 PM
Post by: pacwire on November 10, 2023, 03:20:24 PM
has anyone started the renewal process for the ccw? my card expires in february of next year.
It's my understanding that we cannot start this.
Come Jan 1, 2024, everything changes. it's going to be crazy
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 10, 2023, 03:49:32 PM
has anyone started the renewal process for the ccw? my card expires in february of next year.
In theory, it would be able to be done. But since HPD takes a long time and will pass the 12/31/23 deadline, your app will be pending and have to now be done under the new law come 1/1/24.
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 11, 2023, 07:18:33 PM
When is the earliest you can renew? Mine expires in Jan.60 days prior
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Post by: Sodie on November 12, 2023, 07:10:48 PM
If I renew it before the year is over would it be good for 1 year or 4 years?
If they issue it before 31 December (unlikely at best), it would be good for one year.
If they issue it after 31 December, could go either way depending on how they interpret the law.
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 12, 2023, 08:05:43 PM
If I renew it before the year is over would it be good for 1 year or 4 years?1
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Post by: changemyoil66 on November 19, 2023, 12:06:19 PM
Also do bag checks.
Earlier this year, they didnt do any of this.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on November 19, 2023, 06:28:01 PM
Do they have no gun signs?No, but theaters are a sensitive place by default and the injunction doesnt apply to them.
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Post by: kkhawaii on November 20, 2023, 02:02:56 PM
No, but theaters are a sensitive place by default and the injunction doesnt apply to them.
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Please explain the injunction
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 20, 2023, 04:31:49 PM
Please explain the injunction
State law has a pause on some parts of the law. Which means they cannot enforce it. Banks, restaurants that serve alcohol, parks, and city/state parking lots that share it with another entity are no longer banned from CCWing. Also the default ban on commercials properties open to the public is now on pause.
The there's C&C of Honolulu (Oahu) ordinance that banned the above, but too is on pause since the city stated so on their oneoahu.org website.
So long story short, you can now CCW in the above places unless they have a sign that specifically bans it.
Post by: kkhawaii on November 21, 2023, 03:31:58 PM
State law has a pause on some parts of the law. Which means they cannot enforce it. Banks, restaurants that serve alcohol, parks, and city/state parking lots that share it with another entity are no longer banned from CCWing. Also the default ban on commercials properties open to the public is now on pause.
The there's C&C of Honolulu (Oahu) ordinance that banned the above, but too is on pause since the city stated so on their oneoahu.org website.
So long story short, you can now CCW in the above places unless they have a sign that specifically bans it.
thanks!
Post by: oldfart on December 01, 2023, 12:12:24 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/Y97GvFW0/walmartgun-1.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Don't open carry over there.
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 01, 2023, 06:35:04 PM
Wal Mart Kunia sign now:Its their corporate policy.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Y97GvFW0/walmartgun-1.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Don't open carry over there.
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Post by: Sodie on December 01, 2023, 07:03:10 PM
Wal Mart Kunia sign now:
(https://i.postimg.cc/Y97GvFW0/walmartgun-1.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Don't open carry over there.
So CCW ok! :thumbsup:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 01, 2023, 07:37:50 PM
So CCW ok! :thumbsup:
Sometimes it's better to not ask when you might not like the answer.
Don't ask, don't tell works in this instance.
:geekdanc: :shaka:
Post by: zippz on December 01, 2023, 07:50:20 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 16, 2023, 01:14:03 PM
Easier to bend when having to take baby in and out of stroler.
When carrying baby, aiwb would get in the way. She would be sitting on my pistol.
Dont gotta worry about the shirt lifting and exposing my pistol.
I do prefer aiwb though.
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Post by: macsak on December 16, 2023, 02:22:56 PM
Having an infant, im fanny pack ccwing most of the time.
Easier to bend when having to take baby in and out of stroler.
When carrying baby, aiwb would get in the way. She would be sitting on my pistol.
Dont gotta worry about the shirt lifting and exposing my pistol.
I do prefer aiwb though.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on December 16, 2023, 06:36:51 PM
cool story, bro...Thank you.
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Post by: Coconut-kid on December 23, 2023, 10:23:04 AM
Has anyone had any issue or knows of someone who has with their application due to stating they had no primary care physician?
Thanks, and Happy Holidays. 😊
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 23, 2023, 09:48:23 PM
Quick question for the group. I messaged HIFICO on multiple platforms for some insight but got no response.I put that on mine and had no issues.
Has anyone had any issue or knows of someone who has with their application due to stating they had no primary care physician?
Thanks, and Happy Holidays.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on January 04, 2024, 08:18:56 AM
Pros of not CCWing
More comfortable physically
No need worry about government property lines. I often go on GIS or OPUS to look them up prior to my trips when visiting a new building/property
Cons
I'm up shit creek if there's an active shooter
I'm up shit creek if a criminal threatens my life with a weapon
I'm no longer my own first responder
Wasted money on the Shield Plus, holsters, mags, RDS, etc...as it's sitting in the safe
I posted this before, but I chose not to renew my CCW because of the changes. I felt that I would get told to re-do the submission, which means I waste 5 hours in line and money for the class. I rather wait it out. I know 1 guy who was the only one to submit his renewal in early December. His CCW XP's the same day as mine and he hasn't gotten it yet. Not sure on the status, but as of 2 days ago, no contact from HPD.
Post by: zippz on January 04, 2024, 09:53:08 AM
I posted this before, but I chose not to renew my CCW because of the changes.
Governor approves!
(https://governor.hawaii.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/52945732497_e5ded228c4_o-1024x769.jpg)
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 04, 2024, 11:11:44 AM
Governor approves!
(https://governor.hawaii.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/52945732497_e5ded228c4_o-1024x769.jpg)
damn, got burned by zipps
Post by: QUIETShooter on January 10, 2024, 06:26:34 AM
Not worth it.
I cannot believe how far hawaii would go to restrict and deny our rights to the 2nd amendment.
Post by: theJanitor on January 10, 2024, 11:22:08 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 10, 2024, 12:37:19 PM
Thought I'd wait out all this BS until the 2024 hearings and see when after all the smoke clears if it's worth it to go and get a CCW permit.
Not worth it.
I cannot believe how far hawaii would go to restrict and deny our rights to the 2nd amendment.
At least it's for 4 years. You can thank Zipps for that.
But there's aways aiokea.
Post by: QUIETShooter on January 10, 2024, 02:54:37 PM
At least it's for 4 years. You can thank Zipps for that.
But there's aways aiokea.
Yes, the 4 year license is one of the very few (if any) sensible things about the whole crapola.
Thank you, Zipps! :shaka:
As far as ainokea................ ;)
Post by: eyeeatingfish on January 21, 2024, 09:25:39 PM
Yes, the 4 year license is one of the very few (if any) sensible things about the whole crapola.
Thank you, Zipps! :shaka:
As far as ainokea................ ;)
Just need to get all permits and licenses increased to 4 years!
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on January 22, 2024, 09:27:20 AM
Just need to get all permits and licenses increased to 4 years!
Are you saying you need 4 years to pick up a handgun you promised to buy? Not very considerate of the seller, are you?
instead of begging for longer expiration periods, how about they honor the permit that doesn't expire:
The Second Amendment to the US Constitution
More than half the states are already doing this with more on the way.
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 22, 2024, 09:34:48 AM
The Second Amendment to the US Constitution
He doesn't understand this.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on January 22, 2024, 09:40:25 AM
He doesn't understand this.
As long as the infringements include due process, he's okay with it.
Post by: QUIETShooter on January 22, 2024, 10:00:30 AM
The other half of the states that don't have Constitutional Carry also have people with common sense.
But they're getting paid to deny that common sense.
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 05, 2024, 08:11:35 AM
1 thing that is new that is not on the "HPD Checklist" that's on their website is the affidavit saying you under stand sensitive places, etc...YOU must sign this and have it notarized. This is separate from the CCW affidavit the instructor will give you that they sign off on.
Post by: Rocky on February 05, 2024, 05:22:01 PM
Post by: Rocky on February 05, 2024, 05:26:42 PM
Let me know if you are picking up or want them mailed.
You have already been given a copy of the newly required "Affidavit of Acknowledgement" for the course but if you want a fill-able copy, let me know and I'll send you one.
Mind your muzzle !
Rocky
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 05, 2024, 07:11:47 PM
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Post by: eyeeatingfish on February 05, 2024, 10:21:38 PM
Are you saying you need 4 years to pick up a handgun you promised to buy? Not very considerate of the seller, are you?|
instead of begging for longer expiration periods, how about they honor the permit that doesn't expire:
The Second Amendment to the US Constitution
More than half the states are already doing this with more on the way.
Not what I was saying, stop trying to start an argument.
A permit that doesn't expire would, of course, be ideal but extending it to 4 years would at least be a step in the right direction.
Post by: eyeeatingfish on February 05, 2024, 10:22:04 PM
He doesn't understand this.
Okay troll...
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 06, 2024, 08:27:20 AM
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Not what I was saying, stop trying to start an argument.
A permit that doesn't expire would, of course, be ideal but extending it to 4 years would at least be a step in the right direction.
Maybe he's clarifying since you often move goal post and other things. #objective.
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 06, 2024, 08:27:31 AM
Okay troll...
Where's the objectivity?
Post by: macsak on February 06, 2024, 08:34:40 AM
Where's the objectivity?
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 08, 2024, 09:23:09 AM
Post by: macsak on February 08, 2024, 09:41:57 AM
So I have a fanny pack (Spiritus Systems) and Mrs CMO has the Vertx EDC (Lena line). Of the 2, the Vertx seems much more sturdier. It is about 35% larger too. The Lena one is also much more comfortable as the straps aren't as flimsy as the Spriritus one.
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 08, 2024, 07:24:05 PM
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Post by: changemyoil66 on February 14, 2024, 08:43:43 AM
Compare this to applying for our NV CCW. Just take the signed paper that you took the required test over to Metro and fill out 1 or 2 forms there. The signed form by the CCW instructor doesn't have to be notarized, so you receive it on the spot after the class is done. No passport photo is needed, they take your prints and photo on the spot as well. Then mail you your CCW card within 120 days. They also take credit card.
So add in the trips one has to make for a HI CCW. 1 trip for your passport photo. 1 trip to the bank to grab cash. 1 trip if you have Straub and they won't send over the medical waiver via fax (if you choose to pick it up). 1 trip back to HPD to take your photo as they won't take it until you've been approved and issue the CCW card.
Post by: QUIETShooter on February 14, 2024, 11:52:41 AM
Deny
Discourage
Delay
I can't think of any other reason the system is the way it is compared to the other Free States.
Post by: macsak on February 14, 2024, 05:35:56 PM
I got a 4 year ccw, no need to be paranoid everyone in hpd isn't against you. Plenty supporters, others just doing their jobs. Only probably a few anti's.
Post by: ren on February 14, 2024, 06:12:05 PM
I got a 4 year ccw, no need to be paranoid everyone in hpd isn't against you. Plenty supporters, others just doing their jobs. Only probably a few anti's.
its not about you
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 15, 2024, 08:09:50 AM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on February 15, 2024, 09:55:27 AM
I got a 4 year ccw, no need to be paranoid everyone in hpd isn't against you. Plenty supporters, others just doing their jobs. Only probably a few anti's.
Nobody here said, "Everyone in HPD is against" them. Nobody but you.
The reality is the police officers and civilian employers follow the policies and orders dictated by the Chief.
Only one person needs to be against you. The rest of the department's motives don't matter.
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 20, 2024, 08:35:52 AM
I had to bring exact cash of $150. That was the only amount collected from me to apply for the CCW. They didn't even ask about RAPBACK, but it's on their system anyways. IDK if one has to be in this to get their CCW, which means you gotta pay that too.
Because I have Straub, I had to fill out a form that isn't online. Same goes if you have Kaiser, so make sure you do this in case the officer doesn't bring it up. The guy who helped me brought it up.
By prefilling out all my forms, this saved a lot of time. I was done in less than 7 minutes. I also made copies of the affidavits, but did bring the originals in case HPD has to make copies. They accepted the ones I brought. Again, time saving. But they did have to make copy of my drivers license.
Post by: kkhawaii on March 02, 2024, 09:31:14 AM
Are there any rules on submitting an application with a pistol you are already approved for?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on March 02, 2024, 12:41:50 PM
So my LTC is supposed to expire in July. Seeing how long it takes to get approved, should I retake the CCW class now and submit for renewal?
Are there any rules on submitting an application with a pistol you are already approved for?
if they follow the same policies as for renewing long gun permits, they won't accept a LTC renewal app earlier than the amount of time they SAY it takes to get the renewal. So, if they say it's a 60-day max time between application and issue, then you can't renew sooner than 60 days out.
Their rationale is they don't want you to have overlapping permits/licenses. The renewal is issued no sooner than the day the previous one expires.
Not sure what you mean by "a pistol you are already approved for." The rules for which pistols you can carry don't change with renewal. If you want to add another pistol to your CCW rotation, you need separate applications for each one. If you had a Glock on your old LTC, and you want to change to a Sig, you can no longer carry the Glock -- that LTC expired. Have to apply separately for the Glock and Sig to legally carry either.
Post by: QUIETShooter on March 02, 2024, 03:46:14 PM
But Lordy, Lordy, will you pay through your nose to do so.
Post by: Rocky on March 19, 2024, 10:18:31 AM
Safety only (2024 version now required for firearm Permit to Acquire and Joint Registration)
$200 + $50 Range fee, you provide your own ammo
100-150 rounds for Safety range time,
$300 + $50 range fee if I provide ammo (9mm and .38 only) for safety class.
LTC only (2024 version now required for License to Carry)
Must already have registered handgun
$200 + $50 Range fee, you provide your own ammo.
100-150 rounds for Safety range time + minimum 25 rounds per gun for LTC.
$250 + $50 range fee if I provide ammo (9mm and .38 only) for safety class, you provide minimum 25 rounds for your gun(s) for LTC Proficiency.
Safety and LTC (2024 version now required for License to Carry)
Must already have registered handgun
$250 + $50 Range fee, you provide your own ammo.
100-150 rounds for Safety range time + minimum 25 rounds per gun for LTC.
$300 + $50 range fee if I provide ammo (9mm only) for safety class, you provide minimum 25 rounds for your gun(s) for LTC Proficiency.
We usually have extra range time post class.
PM for more info.
Rocky
Post by: Rocky on March 23, 2024, 04:49:13 PM
Saturday, March 23, 8am North Shore
Safety only (2024 version now required for firearm Permit to Acquire and Joint Registration)
$200 + $50 Range fee, you provide your own ammo
100-150 rounds for Safety range time,
$300 + $50 range fee if I provide ammo (9mm and .38 only) for safety class.
LTC only (2024 version now required for License to Carry)
Must already have registered handgun
$200 + $50 Range fee, you provide your own ammo.
100-150 rounds for Safety range time + minimum 25 rounds per gun for LTC.
$250 + $50 range fee if I provide ammo (9mm and .38 only) for safety class, you provide minimum 25 rounds for your gun(s) for LTC Proficiency.
Safety and LTC (2024 version now required for License to Carry)
Must already have registered handgun
$250 + $50 Range fee, you provide your own ammo.
100-150 rounds for Safety range time + minimum 25 rounds per gun for LTC.
$300 + $50 range fee if I provide ammo (9mm only) for safety class, you provide minimum 25 rounds for your gun(s) for LTC Proficiency.
We usually have extra range time post class.
PM for more info.
Rocky
Post by: Rocky on March 28, 2024, 09:58:24 AM
Setting up a combination class' Saturday March 30th which includes 2024 Safety Course & 2024 License To Carry.
Safety only (2024 version now required for firearm Permit to Acquire a Handgun)
$200 + $50 Range fee, you provide your own ammo
100 rounds for Safety range time,
$250 + $50 range fee if I provide ammo (9mm only) for safety class.
Safety and LTC (Both 2024 version's now required for License to Carry)
Must already have registered handgun
$250 + $50 Range fee, you provide your own ammo.
100 rounds for Safety range time + minimum 25 rounds per gun for LTC.
$300 + $50 range fee if I provide ammo (9mm only) for safety class, you provide minimum 25 rounds for your gun(s) for LTC Proficiency.
DM with phone # or Email HaleLaie@aol.com for more info
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 23, 2024, 11:47:31 AM
Post by: drck1000 on April 23, 2024, 01:06:07 PM
. . . from Arizona department of (whoever administers their CCW)
I also need to renew my Utah. That seems quite easy as well. . .
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 23, 2024, 02:19:56 PM
I got a reminder for CCW renewal in the mail yesterday. Reminder within the 90 day window, directions to renew, etc. . . very helpful. . .
. . . from Arizona department of (whoever administers their CCW)
I also need to renew my Utah. That seems quite easy as well. . .
I read the 1st part and no way HI would do this. NV doesn't even do this. Maybe AZ needs the money since I'm sure their CCW apps dropped after passing constitutional carry.
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 10, 2024, 09:44:32 AM
Got my CCW today, took 84 days. I was once again granted my right by HPD/County/State.
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 10, 2024, 03:43:09 PM
Now, you have to submit 1 passport photo and take a pic when turning in your app. There is no pic taken when you pick up your CCW card. Which means, HPD could easily mail me the card when they mail the approval letter. NV mailed my CCW to me. Having to pick it up in person is BS. And when I picked it up, the cop asked me if I brought my approval letter. I didn't. I mean, even if I did, was he solely going to use that to create the card? I mean, there's no way anyone would forge a paper letter right?
Post by: Rocky on May 12, 2024, 09:59:21 AM
Another food for thought. WHen I first was granted a CCW, not only did I have to submit 2 passport photo's, but they also took my photo when I picked up the CCW card and used that pic on it.They staple the LTC payment receipt with serial #'s to the letter just above serial #'s on the letter and probably make a copy.
Now, you have to submit 1 passport photo and take a pic when turning in your app. There is no pic taken when you pick up your CCW card. Which means, HPD could easily mail me the card when they mail the approval letter. NV mailed my CCW to me. Having to pick it up in person is BS. And when I picked it up, the cop asked me if I brought my approval letter. I didn't. I mean, even if I did, was he solely going to use that to create the card? I mean, there's no way anyone would forge a paper letter right?
Post by: oldfart on May 12, 2024, 06:03:16 PM
I got a reminder for CCW renewal in the mail yesterday. Reminder within the 90 day window, directions to renew, etc. . . very helpful. . ..
. . . from Arizona department of (whoever administers their CCW)
I also need to renew my Utah. That seems quite easy as well. . .
....
I got a reminder letter yesterday.
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 12, 2024, 07:34:22 PM
They staple the LTC payment receipt with serial #'s to the letter just above serial #'s on the letter and probably make a copy.I was given my payment receipt when i submitted my app. It showed paid $150.
Upon getting my ccw, i was also given a receipt with a diff serial # that just said "paid" on it.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on May 29, 2024, 06:26:51 PM
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Post by: oldfart on May 30, 2024, 12:52:21 PM
Post by: drck1000 on July 05, 2024, 09:38:15 AM
I got there early and didn't have to wait long. Seems like new (new to me) staffing has two officers at the windows doing PTA, and two other staff/officers doing specifically CCW. Sure, some do both, but since the CCW process does take a bit of time, having the officers who (appear) to focus on CCW really helps. There was a line that formed after the guy and I who got in the same time did both PTA and CCW, but long story short is the line went VERY quickly, where the line of at least 6 behind us was gone by the time I was done.
Hightlights:
1) Forms. If you are doing PTA and CCW, you need separate forms for each. I has assumed the questionnaire could be used for both, but need one for each. Not a big deal, just took a bit of time to complete a second one for the CCW packet.
2) Be sure to put N/A in all the spaces that don't apply. I had mine filled out ok, but I did noticed others having to do so. Again, not a big deal, but does take a bit of time. There were a couple of spaces where the info said "if available" that I filled out.
3) The officer(s) doing CCW will walk line be line through your application packet, I assume to verify completion and prevent hold ups from simple errors and/or missing info.
4) If you did registration for your pistols online, they will have you sign and print the registration for the CCW package. Again, not a big deal, but does add to the time.
Overall, it was a smooth process. If I had all the forms completed, I would say it would have taken maybe 10 minutes. I probably spent more time filling out the PTA paperwork for both pistol and long gun permit renewal. While I was there, seems like a lot of confusion on the CCW process, which the officers helped walk through folks. At least the two that were there when I went. Yeah, the process has lots of steps, like having specific pistols, but the process is what it is. I was also given some advice/tips if/when adding other pistols to the CCW. About adding, vice new process. I'll likely go through that before too long as I have at least two pistols "in process" that I may want to CCW.
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 05, 2024, 09:51:27 AM
Did my CCW application this past and I have to say went pretty smoothly. Some hiccups, but mostly based on a$$umptions I made.
I got there early and didn't have to wait long. Seems like new (new to me) staffing has two officers at the windows doing PTA, and two other staff/officers doing specifically CCW. Sure, some do both, but since the CCW process does take a bit of time, having the officers who (appear) to focus on CCW really helps. There was a line that formed after the guy and I who got in the same time did both PTA and CCW, but long story short is the line went VERY quickly, where the line of at least 6 behind us was gone by the time I was done.
Hightlights:
1) Forms. If you are doing PTA and CCW, you need separate forms for each. I has assumed the questionnaire could be used for both, but need one for each. Not a big deal, just took a bit of time to complete a second one for the CCW packet.
2) Be sure to put N/A in all the spaces that don't apply. I had mine filled out ok, but I did noticed others having to do so. Again, not a big deal, but does take a bit of time. There were a couple of spaces where the info said "if available" that I filled out.
3) The officer(s) doing CCW will walk line be line through your application packet, I assume to verify completion and prevent hold ups from simple errors and/or missing info.
4) If you did registration for your pistols online, they will have you sign and print the registration for the CCW package. Again, not a big deal, but does add to the time.
Overall, it was a smooth process. If I had all the forms completed, I would say it would have taken maybe 10 minutes. I probably spent more time filling out the PTA paperwork for both pistol and long gun permit renewal. While I was there, seems like a lot of confusion on the CCW process, which the officers helped walk through folks. At least the two that were there when I went. Yeah, the process has lots of steps, like having specific pistols, but the process is what it is. I was also given some advice/tips if/when adding other pistols to the CCW. About adding, vice new process. I'll likely go through that before too long as I have at least two pistols "in process" that I may want to CCW.
What about staggering new guns every 2 years? This insures there's no gap.
Post by: drck1000 on July 05, 2024, 09:54:44 AM
What about staggering new guns every 2 years? This insures there's no gap.You referring to the advice/tips? The officer that was helping me mentioned something like that. Still need to do all the same paperwork, background check, etc, which comes with new card with pistols added. I think/believe he mentioned that primarily for the $150 fee, but I think/believe one way to "insures (sic) there's no gap".
Post by: zippz on July 05, 2024, 11:05:22 AM
You referring to the advice/tips? The officer that was helping me mentioned something like that. Still need to do all the same paperwork, background check, etc, which comes with new card with pistols added. I think/believe he mentioned that primarily for the $150 fee, but I think/believe one way to "insures (sic) there's no gap".
Approvals have been getting better since there's pressure on HPD to get em out.
Post by: drck1000 on July 16, 2024, 12:50:02 PM
Post by: drck1000 on July 18, 2024, 01:42:53 PM
PTA pick up for 2 pistols I applied for when submitting CCW for HNL is tomorrow, so. . . 8)
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 18, 2024, 03:27:47 PM
Notified via email of AZ renewal this morning. So slightly behind Utah process, where I submitted renewal same time. So still pretty good and efficient.
PTA pick up for 2 pistols I applied for when submitting CCW for HNL is tomorrow, so. . . 8)
Was it to tell u that AZ was XPing or that you submitted all the docs and the renewal is on the way?
Post by: drck1000 on July 18, 2024, 04:39:41 PM
Was it to tell u that AZ was XPing or that you submitted all the docs and the renewal is on the way?Renewal approved and "permit will be mailed".
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 23, 2024, 09:10:38 AM
My draw time is slightly slower at 3-4, like 1/4-1/2 second longer on average.
Post by: glockfanboy808 on August 12, 2024, 08:03:31 PM
Post by: Ashiya on August 12, 2024, 08:14:04 PM
It has been 90 days and still have not received my ccw license. I am worried I will not get it within the 120 days and will have to redo the whole process.
I've also been waiting over 90 days. This post from HIFICO says they are supposed to process applications within 120 days.
Quote
Innovations in Application Processing: �All applications received after March 1, 2024, will be considered accepted the day they were/are received. Applicants will be informed of any additional requirements in a timely manner. All applications will be processed within 120 days of acceptance. This adjustment eliminates unnecessary delays and simplifies the application process.
https://www.facebook.com/hificoorg/posts/pfbid0dMbkJpEUoqAzFmSazhgUMTYBgXAK4pHiX4rNuifGNPzAtJQHuMhcma38uSNXJUAel
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 13, 2024, 09:14:46 AM
It has been 90 days and still have not received my ccw license. I am worried I will not get it within the 120 days and will have to redo the whole process.
If you get denied due to exceeding the 120 days, contact HIFICO.
Post by: kopjecat on August 15, 2024, 08:38:58 PM
So we'll see. I think they're just overwhelmed.
Post by: kopjecat on August 21, 2024, 06:45:56 PM
Hi, new to the group. Just thought I would post my experience so far about the CCW waiting period. I'm at day 104 and no letter yet. I called HPD to inquire after I passed 90 days. After going through numerous menus & recorded instructions, I got to a nice woman who tried to be helpful, but she essentially reminded me that they have 120 days. I asked her about the automatic denial if you're not approved within 120 days, and I had the impression she hadn't heard about that. She said they do not do it like that. She said no one is automatically denied just because they don't get the letter from them. She suggested I call back closer to 120 days if I still haven't heard anything.
So we'll see. I think they're just overwhelmed.
I received my approval letter today, day 110. I hope this helps anyone else who might be stressing a little becase their letter didn't come as soon as others may have said. I think they're just really busy getting through all the applications, and they do seem to be using most of the 120 days.
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 26, 2024, 08:24:24 AM
Hi, new to the group. Just thought I would post my experience so far about the CCW waiting period. I'm at day 104 and no letter yet. I called HPD to inquire after I passed 90 days. After going through numerous menus & recorded instructions, I got to a nice woman who tried to be helpful, but she essentially reminded me that they have 120 days. I asked her about the automatic denial if you're not approved within 120 days, and I had the impression she hadn't heard about that. She said they do not do it like that. She said no one is automatically denied just because they don't get the letter from them. She suggested I call back closer to 120 days if I still haven't heard anything.
So we'll see. I think they're just overwhelmed.
The older sounding lady that usually answers the phone is very nice and knows her stuff. She isn't a police officer, but works for HPD. I've talked to her many times over the years and always got answers to my questions. But I've never seen her working either counter. So I think she's in the back.
Post by: theJanitor on August 26, 2024, 01:33:52 PM
I'm at 96 days.
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 26, 2024, 05:19:18 PM
It's BS that you can't apply for a new license until it's 90 days before expiration, but they have 120 days to issue a new one.
I'm at 96 days.
Many states have a similar law. Nevada was 90 days prior, then changed it to 6 months prior during covid because they were slammed with renewals and new applicants. Guess Vegas saw the need for CCW. IDK what it is currently.
Got my NV renewal at the 119 day mark. Which means they mailed it a few days prior as it came in the mail to Hawaii.
Post by: drck1000 on August 28, 2024, 11:44:58 AM
Post by: g00seg00se on August 28, 2024, 03:29:20 PM
Post by: Ashiya on August 29, 2024, 02:38:08 PM
Post by: kopjecat on August 30, 2024, 05:22:01 PM
The older sounding lady that usually answers the phone is very nice and knows her stuff. She isn't a police officer, but works for HPD. I've talked to her many times over the years and always got answers to my questions. But I've never seen her working either counter. So I think she's in the back.
Yeah that sounds like who I got. She did her best to be helpful. And in the end it worked out okay. I actually haven't had a bad experience with any of the guys at the window either.
Post by: g00seg00se on September 09, 2024, 01:49:40 PM
Submitted everything June 10th... 79 days and counting.
Received approval letter September 7th (89 days).
Post by: bornloser_182 on October 27, 2024, 07:50:46 AM
Post by: QUIETShooter on October 27, 2024, 09:00:22 AM
Sorry if this has been covered but when I was reading the HRS it looks like given all the restricted places to carry or the fact that all business have to post a sign saying you are allowed to carry in their building, where can you legally carry with a ccw that is not just your car or place of business (if allowed)?
We used to joke only the sidewalk. But actually it's quite true.
Post by: bornloser_182 on October 27, 2024, 01:06:27 PM
So are you allowed to carry concealed in your car and park in the parking lot of a business, then secure your firearm in a lockbox in the car that is out of sight and not be violating any laws?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 27, 2024, 01:56:21 PM
That's what it sounds like.
So are you allowed to carry concealed in your car and park in the parking lot of a business, then secure your firearm in a lockbox in the car that is out of sight and not be violating any laws?
That becomes a Places to Keep issue. Are you allowed to store an unloaded firearm somewhere other than the locations traditionally included in HRS-134?
[§134-25] Place to keep pistol or revolver; penalty. (a) Except as provided in sections 134-5 and 134-9 ...
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/HRS_0134-0025.htm
Exceptions:
§134-5 Possession by licensed hunters and minors; target shooting; game hunting.
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/HRS_0134-0005.htm
§134-9 Licenses to carry.
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/HRS_0134-0009.htm
Because having a concealed carry license is an exception to the Places to Keep section, you can store your CCL-registered pistol anywhere you feel the need.
I'm not a lawyer, but that's how it appears to be written.
:shaka:
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 27, 2024, 04:55:35 PM
Sorry if this has been covered but when I was reading the HRS it looks like given all the restricted places to carry or the fact that all business have to post a sign saying you are allowed to carry in their building, where can you legally carry with a ccw that is not just your car or place of business (if allowed)?Verbal is OK too.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on October 29, 2024, 01:43:37 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 07, 2025, 11:02:29 AM
When my 1st battery died, there was no warning. The dot was working when I did my daily function check and 2 hours later when I was about to leave the house again, I did another check and it was off. Luckily, I have spare batteries. This was on the way to take my HI CCW shooting test.
Now this 2nd battery was dying. The red dot was blinking slowly. Like it would flash off every 5 seconds for 1 second and then come back on. And I wasn't able to change the brightness of the dot either. So I think this is the low battery indicator, which I didn't notice the last time. A camera type low battery icon would be helpful, but I get why they can't do it. The projection of the red dot would have to add another type of image, which takes up space.
Meanwhile, Mrs. CMO's red dot is still on it's first battery and it's been over 2 years and closer to 3 years.
Post by: ren on May 07, 2025, 12:11:59 PM
I've had my Holosun 507K X2 for about 3 years now. I'm on my 3rd battery.no BUIS?
When my 1st battery died, there was no warning. The dot was working when I did my daily function check and 2 hours later when I was about to leave the house again, I did another check and it was off. Luckily, I have spare batteries. This was on the way to take my HI CCW shooting test.
Now this 2nd battery was dying. The red dot was blinking slowly. Like it would flash off every 5 seconds for 1 second and then come back on. And I wasn't able to change the brightness of the dot either. So I think this is the low battery indicator, which I didn't notice the last time. A camera type low battery icon would be helpful, but I get why they can't do it. The projection of the red dot would have to add another type of image, which takes up space.
Meanwhile, Mrs. CMO's red dot is still on it's first battery and it's been over 2 years and closer to 3 years.
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 07, 2025, 03:17:27 PM
no BUIS?
I do. This is why I chose the 507K, it has a rear knotch. So no need to replace the rear or front sight with supressor height sights.
Post by: theJanitor on May 12, 2025, 10:15:29 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 12, 2025, 11:24:39 AM
When my new permit was available late last year, I was told I could still get another license (with different pistols) just like I did the last time. When I went in March to apply for a new license, I was told the Chief changed his mind and doesn't allow one individual to have multiple permits. I was told that they are recalling people with two active licenses for consolidation onto a single license, and a refund of the $150, if applicable. Then I was told that the only consolation of the new "rule" is that "add-ons" to an existing license should only take thirty days. Almost 60 days later and I'm still waiting.....
Sounds like they really don't want u to have overlapping CCW's and want to flat expire so you're not CCWing anymore.
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 12, 2025, 12:09:50 PM
When my new permit was available late last year, I was told I could still get another license (with different pistols) just like I did the last time. When I went in March to apply for a new license, I was told the Chief changed his mind and doesn't allow one individual to have multiple permits. I was told that they are recalling people with two active licenses for consolidation onto a single license, and a refund of the $150, if applicable. Then I was told that the only consolation of the new "rule" is that "add-ons" to an existing license should only take thirty days. Almost 60 days later and I'm still waiting.....
Make sure they also update the expiration date when you add a gun on. They might short change you.
Post by: BRU on May 12, 2025, 12:24:08 PM
Make sure they also update the expiration date when you add a gun on. They might short change you.
Do you know if the expiration is handled differently with each county? I added another pistol to my license but the expiration date wasn’t extended.
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 12, 2025, 01:20:57 PM
Do you know if the expiration is handled differently with each county? I added another pistol to my license but the expiration date wasn’t extended.
What county and when was this?
Post by: BRU on May 12, 2025, 05:23:23 PM
What county and when was this?
Maui and the renewals were issued a couple of months ago.
I should clarify the situation. I received a couple of licenses shortly after the counties started issuing them so they were under the one year expiration timeframe and each license had its own unique number. I then applied for another license for a third pistol after the state changed it to a four year expiration and was issued a third license card with another unique license number. The previous two were up for renewal because of the one year expiration and upon approval, they were added under the license number of my third card. Now all three cards have the same expiration date of my third license but the date wasn’t extended. It kept the same expiration so my two renewals didn’t get the four years and were shorted about one year. Sorry if this is a bit confusing.
Post by: theJanitor on May 13, 2025, 11:51:50 AM
Make sure they also update the expiration date when you add a gun on. They might short change you.
Add-ons won't extend the expiration of the original license. if that were the case, you could periodically "add on" pistols and extend the original license indefinitely.
When licenses were first issued, I purposely got a second license six months after the first, so I'd always have an active license while "renewing" the expiring one. That is no longer possible, as of March (according to the officer)
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 13, 2025, 12:52:23 PM
Add-ons won't extend the expiration of the original license. if that were the case, you could periodically "add on" pistols and extend the original license indefinitely.
When licenses were first issued, I purposely got a second license six months after the first, so I'd always have an active license while "renewing" the expiring one. That is no longer possible, as of March (according to the officer)
Then they're violating the law. Any add on required the same process as a brand new applicant would have to go through. Since the PD are being lazy and just "adding on" guns. If they issued a new permit for each gun, then there would be no issue.
Instead of 1 permit for any legally owned handgun, our state chooses to say F-U to Bruen and go per serial number.