Post by: Xavierbaker on February 28, 2023, 11:35:06 AM
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Post by: changemyoil66 on February 28, 2023, 11:36:00 AM
Post by: Xavierbaker on February 28, 2023, 11:38:53 AM
Did u accomplish this or just told this?I’m here right now, turned in my permit to acquire paperwork thinking I’d havto wait the 2 weeks, they asked me for my ccw permit, made copy, and stamped the permit to acquire an said here you go. I was shocked. But when I asked if it’s a new thing they said it’s in the law so they have no choice.
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Post by: stangzilla on February 28, 2023, 11:53:08 AM
Post by: Xavierbaker on February 28, 2023, 11:55:22 AM
their trick is you wait 2-3 months for the permit to carryLmao ain’t that the truth
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on February 28, 2023, 12:15:24 PM
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(e) The permit application form shall be signed by the applicant and
by the issuing authority. One copy of the permit shall be retained by
the issuing authority as a permanent official record. Except for sales
to dealers licensed under section 134-31, or dealers licensed by the
United States Department of Justice, or law enforcement officers, or
where a license is granted under section 134-9, or where any firearm
is registered pursuant to section 134-3(a), no permit shall be issued
to an applicant earlier than fourteen calendar days after the date of
the application; provided that a permit shall be issued or the
application denied before the twentieth day from the date of application.
HRS 134-9 Licenses to carry
FYI :thumbsup: :shaka:
Post by: stangzilla on February 28, 2023, 01:32:29 PM
Learned something new today…handgun permit given on the spot, waived by ccw permit. According to hpd it is the law as of right now if you have your ccw permit card they have no choice.
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thanks for the info. good to know :shaka:
Post by: randay on February 28, 2023, 04:59:51 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on February 28, 2023, 05:08:33 PM
huh? so if you have a ccw permit you dont have to wait 14 days to acquire pistols? like, any pistol?
Go read for yourself.
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/HRS_0134-0002.htm
Post by: zippz on February 28, 2023, 05:46:12 PM
Buy guns while you can. Training requirements might also change for permit to acquire.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on February 28, 2023, 08:32:44 PM
Sorry to burst the bubble, but HB984 removes that provision, and gives PD up to 40 days to issue a permit to acquire.
Buy guns while you can. Training requirements might also change for permit to acquire.
Time to move....
Post by: RSN172 on March 01, 2023, 12:01:11 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 01, 2023, 08:33:55 AM
Sorry to burst the bubble, but HB984 removes that provision, and gives PD up to 40 days to issue a permit to acquire.
Buy guns while you can. Training requirements might also change for permit to acquire.
Alan Beck was in town for a hearing similar to this. He was arguing that 14 days is an "undo burden" compared to a 20 min NICS check. So lets see how this plays out.
Yukutake et.al vs. Lopez -state already settled on emailed PTA, open late on Wednesdays, and online reg, but violates online reg for non FFL. This is the last part of the lawsuit that they're taking to court.
Post by: groveler on March 01, 2023, 08:59:38 AM
no fuking permission needed to buy a pistol.
only a 10 day wait period on semi auto rifles.
I have enough of those at home in WA state.
"Washington is an open-carry state with certain restrictions, including courthouses and primary and secondary school premises."
Fuk Hawaii.
I'll still reside here, I just won't vote. nor will I do Jury duty, or pay income taxes.
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Post by: zippz on March 01, 2023, 09:43:46 AM
Alan Beck was in town for a hearing similar to this. He was arguing that 14 days is an "undo burden" compared to a 20 min NICS check. So lets see how this plays out.
Yukutake et.al vs. Lopez -state already settled on emailed PTA, open late on Wednesdays, and online reg, but violates online reg for non FFL. This is the last part of the lawsuit that they're taking to court.
The 14 days isn't necessary with the instant background checks, but the 9th would justify it for the mental health checks to return from the doctor. Right now the max time is 20 days, probably has to be justified if they need to investigate further.
Hb984 changes the max time to 40 days. Probably needed for all the additional checks, checking with references, getting medical docs from all your doctors, etc. So I don't think people will get permits within 14 days if hb984 passes.
Post by: akupalu on March 29, 2023, 07:21:52 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 29, 2023, 07:35:33 PM
Can anyone else confirm this.... Mahalo in advance .Confirmed
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Post by: BRU on September 27, 2023, 12:18:07 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 27, 2023, 12:23:20 PM
Is this only being recognized by Honolulu PD? MPD says I need to wait 14 days.
Ask them to show you where that is located in the statute.
Then show them that the statute says the licensee exception applies to all permits, not just handguns:
"... no permit shall be issued to an applicant earlier than fourteen calendar days after the date of the application;"
It doesn't differentiate between handguns and long guns when describing the exceptions for the waiting period.
Post by: randay on September 27, 2023, 02:52:44 PM
Ask them to show you where that is located in the statute.
Then show them that the statute says the licensee exception applies to all permits, not just handguns:
"... no permit shall be issued to an applicant earlier than fourteen calendar days after the date of the application;"
It doesn't differentiate between handguns and long guns when describing the exceptions for the waiting period.
do not do this. just say "yes sir" and do as you are told.
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 27, 2023, 02:59:56 PM
do not do this. just say "yes sir" and do as you are told.
This is 1 reason why HI gun laws are they way they are.
Post by: randay on September 27, 2023, 03:26:06 PM
This is 1 reason why HI gun laws are they way they are.
you are not going to change any laws at the permit window.
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 27, 2023, 03:34:34 PM
you are not going to change any laws at the permit window.
Change their mentality and force them to follow the laws. If no one questions their errors, they will either 1) Continue to make the same mistakes or 2) Get away with knowingly making errors.
We have seen here that someone brought a lower of an AR and HPD asked where's the rest of it (the upper) cause they want to see that too. Then when said person was explaining the law, 3 officers came out from the back and surrounded him so they can discus the matter more. THen HPD said "how do they know the barrel is 16in?". That's not their job to measure every barrel that comes to their window. In fact, shortly later, the officer measuring the barrel was doing it incorrectly anyways as they have a yard stick taped to the desk.
Post by: randay on September 27, 2023, 04:29:32 PM
Then when said person was explaining the law, 3 officers came out from the back and surrounded him so they can discus the matter more.
exhibit A. bottom line, if the people working the firearms window "dont know the law", it will never ever be worth the effort to try and "teach" them the law.
Its not an internet forum. Very few people appear to have the ability to converse to other human beings properly.
I repeat, DO NOT ask a police officer to "show you the statute" also do not show them the statute. dont do any of that shit, it will not end well.
Dont go to other peoples place of work and tell them how to do their job. Its not a thing that works in the real world.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 27, 2023, 04:42:09 PM
exhibit A. bottom line, if the people working the firearms window "dont know the law", it will never ever be worth the effort to try and "teach" them the law.
Its not an internet forum. Very few people appear to have the ability to converse to other human beings properly.
I repeat, DO NOT ask a police officer to "show you the statute" also do not show them the statute. dont do any of that shit, it will not end well.
Dont go to other peoples place of work and tell them how to do their job. Its not a thing that works in the real world.
Plenty of advice on what not to do. But, what's your solution?
Nothing wrong with standing up for your legal rights.
Talking to the desk workers may not change their process, but you can always ask for their supervisor.
And if you think "very few people appear to have the ability to converse to other human beings properly," I'd take a guess you are projecting or don't know many people.
When I go to Walmart, and someone rings up the wrong price, I'm not afraid of "telling them how to do their job" in their "place of work."
Post by: Sodie on September 27, 2023, 06:10:04 PM
exhibit A. bottom line, if the people working the firearms window "dont know the law", it will never ever be worth the effort to try and "teach" them the law.
Its not an internet forum. Very few people appear to have the ability to converse to other human beings properly.
I repeat, DO NOT ask a police officer to "show you the statute" also do not show them the statute. dont do any of that shit, it will not end well.
Dont go to other peoples place of work and tell them how to do their job. Its not a thing that works in the real world.
Can you elaborate on “it will not end well”? What exactly do you think they’ll do?
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 27, 2023, 07:06:22 PM
exhibit A. bottom line, if the people working the firearms window "dont know the law", it will never ever be worth the effort to try and "teach" them the law.Thanks to them not knowing the law, even after being shown it, hifico was formed.
Its not an internet forum. Very few people appear to have the ability to converse to other human beings properly.
I repeat, DO NOT ask a police officer to "show you the statute" also do not show them the statute. dont do any of that shit, it will not end well.
Dont go to other peoples place of work and tell them how to do their job. Its not a thing that works in the real world.
This is the problem and the disconnect between the people and cops at the firearms division.
I personally was told pre bruen i couldnt even apply for a ccw as im not LEO. Luckily, another cop sitting at the desk corrected the cop at the window.
So like flapp asked, whats ur solution to correct a cop denying someone their right or not obeying the law? Should everyone wear a bodycam and submit the vid with their complaint?
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Post by: randay on September 27, 2023, 07:33:45 PM
Thanks to them not knowing the law, even after being shown it, hifico was formed.
This is the problem and the disconnect between the people and cops at the firearms division.
I personally was told pre bruen i couldnt even apply for a ccw as im not LEO. Luckily, another cop sitting at the desk corrected the cop at the window.
So like flapp asked, whats ur solution to correct a cop denying someone their right or not obeying the law? Should everyone wear a bodycam and submit the vid with their complaint?
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There is a big difference between being the head of the spear and actively fighting for 2a and suggesting random people on the internet to do such things when they may not be prepared for the consequences, especially given the poor course of action suggested.
I am not offering any solutions to an age old problem. I am simply saying for BRU not to do a thing that was suggested.
If I were to give BRU advice on how to try and get the permit faster, it would be to comment something like "Thats wierd because my friend in honolulu who has a ccw does not have to wait, maybe the law is different in honolulu."
Post by: Sodie on September 27, 2023, 07:40:20 PM
There is a big difference between being the head of the spear and actively fighting for 2a and suggesting random people on the internet to do such things when they may not be prepared for the consequences, especially given the poor course of action suggested.
I am not offering any solutions to an age old problem. I am simply saying for BRU not to do a thing that was suggested.
If I were to give BRU advice on how to try and get the permit faster, it would be to comment something like "Thats wierd because my friend in honolulu who has a ccw does not have to wait, maybe the law is different in honolulu."
What consequences do you foresee? What do you really think the police are going to do?
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 27, 2023, 08:23:25 PM
There is a big difference between being the head of the spear and actively fighting for 2a and suggesting random people on the internet to do such things when they may not be prepared for the consequences, especially given the poor course of action suggested.Showing them the law is the best way to show theyre wrong. Idk how else would be more effecient.
I am not offering any solutions to an age old problem. I am simply saying for BRU not to do a thing that was suggested.
If I were to give BRU advice on how to try and get the permit faster, it would be to comment something like "Thats wierd because my friend in honolulu who has a ccw does not have to wait, maybe the law is different in honolulu."
Guess an honest looking person would be more sufficient and belieable. But what if 1 doesnt look honest? Maybe bring a lie detector.
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Post by: zippz on September 29, 2023, 12:16:36 PM
First you have to know the issue. Read the laws and pass it by other people like we do here. Don't take things at first glance, there's usually more to it.
Second go to the station and have paper copies of the references. Explain it politely. Be polite even if they're not.if they don't see the problem or agree, take it up higher to the Sergeant, Lieutenant, Captain/major of records section. Write to the police Chief
Still no luck, go to the police commission.
Still no luck bring it up with a 2a friendly city council or state legislator.
It takes time and effort to do. You may get yelled at but keep cool and continue on.
Post by: nalo_b on September 30, 2023, 03:46:34 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 30, 2023, 05:25:12 PM
So this applies to long guns and pistols?Yes. Permit to acquire issued on the spot.
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Post by: nalo_b on September 30, 2023, 05:47:07 PM
Yes. Permit to acquire issued on the spot.
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Thank you for the response changemyoil66 and for all the updates!