Post by: changemyoil66 on March 29, 2023, 08:52:03 AM
We saw with CCW, Bruen was in June and the first CCW approved instructor wasn't until December. Then add in the demand because there is no grandfather clause or no can use Hunters Ed class anymore.
They could also add in the same for rifles. But def handguns.
Post by: RSN172 on March 29, 2023, 08:59:26 AM
Post by: oldfart on March 29, 2023, 09:02:54 AM
And don't sell the ones you already have.==============
yep...good advice
don't be stoopid like me
Post by: stangzilla on March 29, 2023, 09:07:05 AM
Post by: drck1000 on March 29, 2023, 09:07:33 AM
And don't sell the ones you already have.I recently sold a couple of pistols to two of my best friends. . . so I could buy four other pistols ;D
Post by: stangzilla on March 29, 2023, 09:13:27 AM
If any of the state bills pass HB1230 or HB984 they would most likely be effective upon signing (7/1). No one would be able to buy a gun until HPD figures out their new procedure for the law change for an approved handgun safety instructor. No longer will just a NRA Instructor cert be sufficient and can work autonomously. New law states they must be approved by HPD.
We saw with CCW, Bruen was in June and the first CCW approved instructor wasn't until December. Then add in the demand because there is no grandfather clause or no can use LIFE class anymore.
They could also add in the same for rifles. But def handguns.
how come no can use LIFE class?
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 29, 2023, 09:19:18 AM
how come no can use LIFE class?
Cause they want the safety class to cover a bunch of new stuff like suicide prevention, storage of firearms, etc...And all instructors must be approved by HPD, so IDK how online would work.
HB984
"(1) An approved hunter education course as authorized under section 183D-28[;], unless the applicant seeks to acquire a pistol or revolver, in which case the applicant shall complete a training satisfying the requirements of paragraph (2), (3), or (4);
(2) A firearms safety or training course or class available to the general public offered by a law enforcement agency of the State or of any county;
(3) A firearms safety or training course offered to law enforcement officers, security guards, investigators, deputy sheriffs, or any division or subdivision of law enforcement or security enforcement by a state or county law enforcement agency; or
(4) A firearms training or safety course or class conducted by a firearms instructor certified or verified by the chief of police of the respective county or a designee of the chief of police or certified by a nongovernmental organization approved for such purposes by the chief of police of the respective county or a designee of the chief of police, or conducted by a certified military firearms instructor; provided that the firearms training or safety course or class provides, at a minimum, a total of at least two hours of firing training at a firing range and a total of at least four hours of classroom instruction, which may include a video, that focuses on:
(A) The safe use, handling, and storage of firearms and firearm safety in the home[;], as well as a component on mental health, suicide prevention, and domestic violence issues associated with firearms and firearm violence; and
(B) Education on the firearm laws of the State."
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 29, 2023, 09:23:06 AM
how come no can use LIFE class?
My mistake, meant hunters ed
Post by: stangzilla on March 29, 2023, 09:29:44 AM
My mistake, meant hunters ed
asking bc I did the LIFE class
also did the hunters ed class too
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 29, 2023, 09:32:44 AM
asking bc I did the LIFE class
also did the hunters ed class too
Either way, you would have to redo it. And every 4 years. And LIFE would have to get approved by HPD along with all the other NRA instructors teaching the handgun safety class.
Post by: stangzilla on March 29, 2023, 09:39:09 AM
Post by: QUIETShooter on March 29, 2023, 09:46:29 AM
Shows they don't have public safety in mind.
They want total control over us.
I agree. Buy as many guns as you possibly can and want. Ammo too.
Flood HPD with PTA's.
Post by: zippz on March 29, 2023, 10:01:53 AM
Long guns- need hunters Ed or new firearms safety course
Pistols - new firearms safety course. Hunters Ed no longer applies
Training must have been conducted in the past 4 years.
Firearms safety course needs to be conducted by a PD approved firearms instructor and cover updated/extra content.
Must pay a fee for every PTA.
Police will have up to 40 days to approve PTA.
CCW/PTA background checks will be more subjective and intrusive. Just because you can get one now, doesn't mean you'll get one under the new law.
Permit denials result in firearms confiscation.
Almost everyone will need to redo their training to buy a gun. There will likely be a time period where almost no one can buy a handgun when this law starts due to police redoing policy, procedures, and forms and instructors are approved and new classes taught.
Post by: hvybarrels on March 29, 2023, 10:14:22 AM
ridiculous how many hoops they want us to jump through in order to have our constitutional rights
Funny how that works out IRL Free market to the rescue
If the "war on fireworks" is any indication of how this will turn out maybe it's worth stocking up on some light body armor just to wear grocery shopping.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U1MEIA8SVQ
Post by: Heavies on March 29, 2023, 01:05:21 PM
Post by: Heavies on March 29, 2023, 01:06:36 PM
Post by: groveler on March 29, 2023, 11:55:53 PM
Charge you, and force you to pay for a right? Sound like “poll tax” anyone?I've been sayng that forever.
I'm no longer a Hawaii voter, my legal residence, and voting is once again WA state.
WA state is fuked up politically but nowhere near as bad as Honolulu run Hawaii.
I can buy guns, ammo, and go shooting without begging the Democrat party for permission.
I will still physically reside here in Hawaii with my wife who is still a legal Hawaii resident,
voter, and homeowner as am I.
Fuk Honolulu and it's gun laws.
:wave:
Post by: robtmc on March 30, 2023, 08:15:50 AM
ridiculous how many hoops they want us to jump through in order to have our constitutional rightsAnd the majority of voters seem to think that is just fine.
Told my wife I wanted a house in Arizona so i could get away from the feeling of living "behind enemy lines".
Thd hostility directed at non-liberals here is sometimes shocking.
Tomorrow I fly over to spend a month feeling like I am not a refugee.
Post by: stangzilla on March 31, 2023, 08:56:04 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 01, 2023, 12:05:08 AM
Took your advice, CMO, and picked up a rifle the other day that has been on my radar for a whileIm looking at a p320 FCU. Safe no can fit regular gun, even with spit. But can fit this.
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Post by: RSN172 on April 01, 2023, 02:24:43 AM
Even the CCW requirements are overly burdensome and costly. And not issued in a “reasonable timeframe” as required by SCOTUSAnd you need FOUR permits to carry throughout Hawaii? Ridiculous.
Post by: dogman on April 01, 2023, 04:59:15 AM
Im looking at a p320 FCU. Safe no can fit regular gun, even with spit. But can fit this.Instead of lookiing at a P320 FCU, you should be looking at a bigger safe.
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Post by: aletheuo137 on April 01, 2023, 07:44:31 AM
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Post by: changemyoil66 on April 01, 2023, 10:39:38 AM
Instead of lookiing at a P320 FCU, you should be looking at a bigger safe.Already looking.
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Post by: drck1000 on April 01, 2023, 10:53:43 AM
Instead of lookiing at a P320 FCU, you should be looking at a bigger safe.
The HK fanboi looking at P320? Whut? ;D :rofl:
I should sell him my P320 X-Full
Post by: Heavies on April 01, 2023, 01:26:20 PM
Already looking.
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Heard Lowe’s waikele had some selection of large safes
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 01, 2023, 06:02:55 PM
No fit, even with spit. Focus
The HK fanboi looking at P320? Whut? ;D :rofl:
I should sell him my P320 X-Full
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Post by: drck1000 on April 01, 2023, 07:25:17 PM
No fit, even with spit. FocusJust store the fcu… problem solve… think
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Post by: rpoL98 on April 04, 2023, 04:28:28 PM
where's the best places to park, most likely to be able to find an open parking space?
I used to park underneath the state capitol, metered parking, but that's kind of a long walk. Do the meters still take quarters? or is that something obsolete from the golden olden days?
Post by: rpoL98 on April 04, 2023, 04:38:07 PM
Im looking at a p320 FCU. Safe no can fit regular gun, even with spit. But can fit this.I bought a couple of SIG OEM stripped FCU's. Genuine SIG FCU's, PTA & registered. a little disappointed in the sloppy fit to the slide, a lot of side-to-side movement. I'm not sure if that's because I just bought the stripped FCU, as compared to the assembled FCU, or even the whole pistol. Maybe the SIG assembled FCU's have more meat on the slide rail sides? ???
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Post by: drck1000 on April 04, 2023, 04:42:17 PM
I bought a couple of SIG OEM stripped FCU's. Genuine SIG FCU's, PTA & registered. a little disappointed in the sloppy fit to the slide, a lot of side-to-side movement. I'm not sure if that's because I just bought the stripped FCU, as compared to the assembled FCU, or even the whole pistol. Maybe the SIG assembled FCU's have more meat on the slide rail sides? ???LMK if you are interested in a Sig X-Full frame or a tungsten weighted one. I can give you the X-full frame at great price. The tungsten one, I'd have to look at what I paid for it, but I have an extra one.
I do have a MIG welder with SS wire...
Post by: drck1000 on April 04, 2023, 04:43:21 PM
so, let's say I'm gonna go down to HPD, a Wednesday at 5pm, to apply for PTA.When I went on a Wed evening, I think around 5 pm. I just parked in the HPD visitor lot. Was empty IIRC.
where's the best places to park, most likely to be able to find an open parking space?
I used to park underneath the state capitol, metered parking, but that's kind of a long walk. Do the meters still take quarters? or is that something obsolete from the golden olden days?
Post by: zippz on April 04, 2023, 04:59:23 PM
so, let's say I'm gonna go down to HPD, a Wednesday at 5pm, to apply for PTA.
where's the best places to park, most likely to be able to find an open parking space?
I used to park underneath the state capitol, metered parking, but that's kind of a long walk. Do the meters still take quarters? or is that something obsolete from the golden olden days?
My friend got his car towed from the capitol recently, think it was 430 or 5pm.
Post by: dogman on April 04, 2023, 05:18:13 PM
so, let's say I'm gonna go down to HPD, a Wednesday at 5pm, to apply for PTA.The last few times I was able to park in the metered stalls on Beretania, HPD side of Ward. I don't feed the meter after 5pm and no tickets. I also have parked at the Fasi Building municipal lot, across Alapai St from HPD, no need feed the meters after 4pm. Always been on Wednesdays after 4:30pm, always had multiple stalls available.
where's the best places to park, most likely to be able to find an open parking space?
I used to park underneath the state capitol, metered parking, but that's kind of a long walk. Do the meters still take quarters? or is that something obsolete from the golden olden days?
Post by: Heavies on April 05, 2023, 05:58:58 AM
Im looking at a p320 FCU. Safe no can fit regular gun, even with spit. But can fit this.
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Wilson Combat is having a sale on grip modules.
https://shopwilsoncombat.com/WCP320-Modules/products/1269/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=campaign&utm_campaign=Spring%20Cleaning%20Sale%204-4-23
Post by: groveler on April 05, 2023, 06:55:01 AM
https://youtu.be/j_urZ5KDPecWhat I always find interesting is how these guys find the time and waste water to shave?
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I haven't shaved in over 45 years.
I keep trimed and neat, but no shaving.
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Post by: aletheuo137 on April 05, 2023, 10:01:49 AM
What I always find interesting is how these guys find the time and waste water to shave?Image is everything to them!
I haven't shaved in over 45 years.
I keep trimed and neat, but no shaving.
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 05, 2023, 12:41:03 PM
What I always find interesting is how these guys find the time and waste water to shave?
I haven't shaved in over 45 years.
I keep trimed and neat, but no shaving.
:thumbsup:
I would have thought you'd have a clean shave daily in case you need to don a gas mask.
:geekdanc: :shake:
Post by: rpoL98 on April 11, 2023, 04:21:46 PM
Post by: stangzilla on April 11, 2023, 04:27:38 PM
my FFL mentioned that lots of folks are being motivated by SB1230 to "buy now".
I was at HPD last week and the PTA line was longer than usual
Post by: aieahound on April 11, 2023, 05:47:48 PM
So I can go shoot it at 100 yards in the wind. :D
Looking forward to zeroing it.
What the heck is everyone buying ?
Guys who train I get it.
Occasional shooters? Pistol - 25 yards
Rifle - 100 yards No Steel
Shit I’m not sure how much fun it’s gonna be.
But the indoor ranges are loving it. Wonder if they have lobbyists?
Post by: QUIETShooter on April 11, 2023, 06:46:26 PM
Post by: hvybarrels on April 11, 2023, 11:04:58 PM
Good thing I just picked up an ultra lightweight .22LR from Mr. Gaf for a great price. :shaka:
So I can go shoot it at 100 yards in the wind. :D
Looking forward to zeroing it.
You might want to check this before you go.
https://www.windy.com/21.277/-157.689?21.335,-157.724,11
Post by: groveler on April 12, 2023, 03:34:00 AM
I would have thought you'd have a clean shave daily in case you need to don a gas mask.sorry to be so late on this.
:geekdanc: :shake:
I was SCBA certified at the top of a 14,000 foot tall
mountain.
SCUBA also works just fine but different breathing
mechanism;
my beard did not interfer with my equipment.
and never has.
That is some military desk officer regulation BS
that some german came up with in WWI.
short beards work just fine.
ZZ top would have a problem however.
:thumbsup:
Ever wonder why navy seals in the feild have beards?
thery don't waste water.
Post by: stangzilla on April 12, 2023, 05:09:44 AM
Good thing I just picked up an ultra lightweight .22LR from Mr. Gaf for a great price. :shaka:
So I can go shoot it at 100 yards in the wind. :D
Looking forward to zeroing it.
What the heck is everyone buying ?
Guys who train I get it.
Occasional shooters? Pistol - 25 yards
Rifle - 100 yards No Steel
Shit I’m not sure how much fun it’s gonna be.
But the indoor ranges are loving it. Wonder if they have lobbyists?
I got a couple recently. S&W 619 and Ruger PCC 9mm
Been shooting indoor a lot lately. Expensive
Post by: aieahound on April 12, 2023, 06:46:06 PM
It’s like going to Disneyland.
Nice pick ups. :thumbsup:
Post by: rpoL98 on April 13, 2023, 05:53:39 PM
Good thing I just picked up an ultra lightweight .22LR from Mr. Gaf for a great price. :shaka:I ordered one of those turkish "Faux-nelli" M4 clones. it got some good comments from Battlefield Las Vegas.
So I can go shoot it at 100 yards in the wind. :D
Looking forward to zeroing it.
What the heck is everyone buying ?
Guys who train I get it.
Occasional shooters? Pistol - 25 yards
Rifle - 100 yards No Steel
Shit I’m not sure how much fun it’s gonna be.
But the indoor ranges are loving it. Wonder if they have lobbyists?
Post by: unko-al on April 13, 2023, 08:17:01 PM
I've been sayng that forever.
I'm no longer a Hawaii voter, my legal residence, and voting is once again WA state.
WA state is fuked up politically but nowhere near as bad as Honolulu run Hawaii.
I can buy guns, ammo, and go shooting without begging the Democrat party for permission.
I will still physically reside here in Hawaii with my wife who is still a legal Hawaii resident,
voter, and homeowner as am I.
Fuk Honolulu and it's gun laws.
:wave:
explain to me again how washington state is better then hawaii?
come next week, you'll only be able to buy a slingshot....