Post by: macsak on April 14, 2023, 12:53:50 PM
Post by: macsak on April 14, 2023, 12:55:38 PM
MAYOR RICK BLANGIARDI
DEPARTMENT OF PARKS AND RECREATION
CITY AND COUNTY OF HONOLULU
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Friday, April 14, 2023
Nate Serota: (808) 768-3046
Pistol & rifle ranges at Koko Head Shooting Complex reopening April 29
Weekend schedule, free online reservations implemented due to current staffing shortage
O‘AHU – Mayor Rick Blangiardi and the Honolulu Department of Parks and Recreation (DPR) are pleased to announce the pistol and rifle ranges at the Koko Head Shooting Complex (KHSC) are scheduled to reopen for public use on Saturday, April 29.
While shooting will resume on these public ranges, current staffing levels (due to non-medical resignations), existing conditions at KHSC, and the anticipated high demand for this popular outdoor range will result in temporary changes to operations for the firearm ranges:
Pistol and rifles ranges will operate as one firing line, due to damaged separation wall
Firearm ranges open on weekends, Saturdays & Sundays, from 8 a.m. to 4 p.m.
Free online reservations required to book 1 hour 20-minute shooting slot:
Conducted online using the pros.hnl.info website
Reservations open five days in advance at 8 a.m. (HST). For instance, on opening day (April 29), reservations will be available beginning 8 a.m. Monday, April 24
One non-transferable reservation per person, per day for both ranges
Photo identification and proof of reservation required (on phone or printed)
Five timeslots available for 18 pistol and 27 rifle firing lanes:
- 8 a.m. – 9:20 a.m.
- 9:35 a.m. – 10:55 a.m.
- 11:10 a.m. – 12:30 p.m.
- 12:45 p.m. – 2:05 p.m.
- 2:20 p.m. – 3:40 p.m.
Three rifle and two pistol firing lanes will be made available for walk-ins, those unable to secure a reservation, and those without computer / internet access.
Each shooting timeslot will consist of three shooting relays and two ceasefires, with 15-minutes between each of the five timeslots
No metal targets or .50 caliber BMG allowed
Pistol targets may be placed at 25 or 50 yards
Rifle targets may be placed at 50 or 100 yards
We appreciate the understanding of shooters as the above-mentioned protocols are temporarily placed on the KHSC firearm ranges. We are actively working to increase full-time and part-time staffing at KHSC, with interested applicants encouraged to contact staff at (808) 768-6715. Additional improvements are being pursued to make these firearm ranges more available for public use, including repairs to the separating wall to allow pistol and rifle ranges to operate independently.
Other permanent changes or continued KHSC operations include:
No eating, drinking or smoking allowed on the firing line
More stringent, regular cleaning protocols to remove lead particles from surfaces near the firing lines
De-lead soap provided in comfort station and at rifle-side portable sink
Protocols for testing / monitoring employees lead levels and impacts to hearing
Shooters must continue to provide their own:
Licensed firearm
Ammunition
Targets and target frame (measurements remain the same as before closure)
Ear and eye protection
All shooters must continue to sign-in with your name and firearm caliber(s)
All visitors must comply with KHSC signage, rules, and regulations
Archery range remains open on regular schedule (Wednesday through Sunday, sunrise to sunset) as staff are not required to be present to operate this facility
While these changes are significant, we hope shooters can enjoy the renovated facilities which were refurbished following the Sept. 2022 closure of the shooting complex. During that time a wide variety of improvements, repairs, and maintenance was conducted at the complex, including:
Backstop / berm renovations
Filled-in the rifle range ruts
Landscaping (mowing and weed whacking)
Carpentry to the overhanging eyebrows
Painting of structures and shooting galleries
Roofing repairs (including hurricane clips, repairs to damaged areas, and coating)
New target brackets
Improved shooting gallery amenities (such as setting areas)
Upgraded public address and ceasefire alert system
Masonry work on the range walls, pathways, and steps
Fencing along the mauka ranges
Installation of new signage
Pressure washing the firing line
During each phase of the above-mentioned work, air monitoring was conducted by an environmental consultant to measure levels of air-borne lead. All air-borne tests indicated that no lead dust was detected. This air monitoring will continue with the reopening of the firearm ranges. Testing for surfaces near the firing line did return detectable levels of lead, which is expected at a firearm range. This resulted in the implementation of more stringent, regular cleaning protocols to remove lead particles from these surfaces and the restriction of eating and drinking along the firing line.
The entire Koko Head Shooting Complex was closed on Sept. 16, 2022 after the City received notice that many of the complex employees received blood test results indicating elevated levels of lead. These test results indicated that the lead levels were well below the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) and medically established levels of concern. Although the levels did not pose an immediate health risk to the staff, they were relocated out of an abundance of caution. All interested range staff remain under OSHA and medically established levels of concern and may return to work at Koko Head Shooting Complex. Furthermore, protocols for employee lead level and hearing impact testing / monitoring will be implemented.
DPR is continuing to work with the various agencies who operate the other KHSC ranges regarding necessary improvements to those facilities. They remain closed to the public at this time.
Please visit the KHSC official website for additional information and updates about the complex and its operations: bit.ly/kokoheadrange
If you need an auxiliary aid/service, other accommodations due to a disability, or an interpreter for a language other than English in reference to this announcement, please contact the Honolulu Department of Parks and Recreation at (808) 768-3003 on weekdays from 7:45 a.m. until 4:30 p.m. or email parks@honolulu.gov
Post by: macsak on April 14, 2023, 02:16:31 PM
The press release also details the improvements that have been completed at the two ranges. We hope you find the area comfortable. We have put a request for a $2.4 million CIP for the Range in our budget that is currently before the City Council. If that is approved, we will move forward with the design to replace the side berm between the pistol and rifle ranges, install permanent hand washing stations, address the backstop for the 50-yeard rifle targets, among other items.
I heard your concerns that the rules for obtaining a conceal carry permit require training at the pistol action bays. That area is managed by HPD. DPR had planned and budgeted for the backstop remediation work at the pistol and rifle ranges. But when the blood lead level tests came back, we hired an outdoor range expert consultant, and ended up with a list of “must do” items for each range that we hadn’t budgeted for. Accordingly, DPR met with the various groups managing/utilizing the different ranges, and each group is taking the lead on the improvements for those ranges. DPR took the lead on the two ranges open to and utilized by the general public – the pistol and rifle ranges. HPD is handling the work on the action range, and is diligently taking care of the improvements necessary for that reopening.
Post by: zippz on April 15, 2023, 11:39:25 AM
Not sure what this means, if you can make one appointment for each range, or one total. I guess if you're there with another person, both can make reservations and shoot in two time slots.
The reservations appear to be temporary since they're only opening up half the lanes and are short staffed. Combined with the 8 month closure plus the bays and silhouette range are still closed, there would be a very long line and wait.
Perhaps the reservation system is a good thing under these circumstances.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 15, 2023, 12:30:15 PM
"One non-transferable reservation per person, per day for both ranges"
Not sure what this means, if you can make one appointment for each range, or one total. I guess if you're there with another person, both can make reservations and shoot in two time slots.
The reservations appear to be temporary since they're only opening up half the lanes and are short staffed. Combined with the 8 month closure plus the bays and silhouette range are still closed, there would be a very long line and wait.
Perhaps the reservation system is a good thing under these circumstances.
Glad I'm not the only one who found this ambiguous.
I would have said "One non-transferable reservation per range (rifle & pistol) for a combined total of two reservations per person, per day," assuming that's what they meant.
:thumbsup:
Post by: zippz on April 24, 2023, 08:17:08 AM
Post by: stangzilla on April 24, 2023, 08:21:20 AM
Post by: stangzilla on April 24, 2023, 08:26:39 AM
not filling up as fast as i thought
Post by: macsak on April 24, 2023, 09:10:27 AM
still get appts pistol and rifle
not filling up as fast as i thought
not everyone knows this is even going on...
Post by: zippz on April 24, 2023, 09:16:56 AM
Post by: stangzilla on April 24, 2023, 01:40:42 PM
not everyone knows this is even going on...
you snooze, you lose, bruh! ;)
Post by: stangzilla on April 24, 2023, 01:42:01 PM
and get to shoot my 44mag reloads. at indoor range 44mag ammo was just too expensive
it will be flame on time! >:D
Post by: ren on April 24, 2023, 08:28:43 PM
Post by: stangzilla on April 25, 2023, 09:09:06 AM
still get appts for both rifle and pistol
I usually don't go 2 days in a row but when you got the itch, the best thing to do is scratch it :D
Post by: Stugatz on April 25, 2023, 11:43:48 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 26, 2023, 12:29:21 AM
Hey gents, first time replying on here. Like many of you, I look forward to heading out to the Koko Head range, I'll be a newbie there too, but how did you guys schedule a time slot online? I must be dazed, because I went on the KHSC site, but I didn't see anything about scheduling a time slot.
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=49610.msg450220#msg450220
Post by: Stugatz on April 26, 2023, 12:41:40 PM
Post by: ren on April 26, 2023, 05:09:39 PM
Post by: zippz on April 26, 2023, 05:15:59 PM
Is George LaRosa Mike's replacement?
George is the overall Koko head parks manager. Probably taking care of the range till they get a replacement.
Post by: wirecounter on April 26, 2023, 05:21:18 PM
"Target Height: We are requesting that center of lowest target be 5’ from the ground."
That is very high . . .
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Post by: stangzilla on April 26, 2023, 05:37:57 PM
I just received an email from him (George) stating:
"Target Height: We are requesting that center of lowest target be 5’ from the ground."
That is very high . . .
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I got the same email from Marc Koga
if we do that, our target frame will be taller than the berm. :geekdanc:
Post by: randay on April 26, 2023, 05:51:00 PM
Post by: TBA on April 26, 2023, 08:22:02 PM
Although the email that went out does say "requesting" and not requiring.
From: "LaRosa Jr, George A" <glarosa1@honolulu.gov>
Date: 4/26/23 5:33 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: 'richardabe' <richardabe@hawaii.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Koko Head Shooting Complex, Rifle Range Reminders
Just rifle range.
5’ from center of lowest target.
Thanks,
George LaRosa Jr.
Koko Head Complex Supervisor
(808)768-6715
Post by: eyeeatingfish on April 26, 2023, 08:25:30 PM
I like my steel targets.
Post by: wirecounter on April 26, 2023, 08:58:14 PM
I thought that was typo in the email, but I guess not. My dad emailed to ask and Mr. LaRosa confirmed 5 feet.Thanks for the update. I was planning to call tomorrow to ask the same.
Although the email that went out does say "requesting" and not requiring.
From: "LaRosa Jr, George A" <glarosa1@honolulu.gov>
Date: 4/26/23 5:33 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: 'richardabe' <richardabe@hawaii.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Koko Head Shooting Complex, Rifle Range Reminders
Just rifle range.
5’ from center of lowest target.
Thanks,
George LaRosa Jr.
Koko Head Complex Supervisor
(808)768-6715
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Post by: QUIETShooter on April 27, 2023, 07:49:58 AM
Post by: Tony551 on April 27, 2023, 11:41:06 AM
Post by: ren on April 27, 2023, 11:48:26 AM
I wasn't sure from the notice whether the no metal targets rule is permanent or temporary?
I like my steel targets.
paint them black and proclaim Black Steel Targets Matter! If you dont let me put up my Black Steel the City is racist!
Post by: zippz on April 27, 2023, 11:58:00 AM
Post by: ren on April 27, 2023, 12:26:17 PM
(https://www.google.com/url?q=https://external-preview.redd.it/IfgiwF_UcJmeCKt26MPuF25vxenUuWQyDlYLhjw08XA.jpg%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D336656de91979709034f3bb60638a84eea8f0398&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiG7NGQjcv-AhX1LUQIHRKkAmAQ5hMIBQ&usg=AOvVaw3YX67q5XaHMao3u1gNV5oc)
Post by: groveler on April 27, 2023, 12:35:39 PM
I thought they'd never re-open your range.
Enjoy!
:thumbsup:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 27, 2023, 12:54:52 PM
5' high seems a bit odd, guess it's so the rounds go into the middle of the backstop. I can see a couple feet high to avoid bullets striking the ground or pipes.
if you hit the target, the rounds will probably never make it to the backstop. A free-hanging target should deflect downward, and the round should be all but vaporized upon impact with steel.
Most of what comes off the steel will be sprayed in front of the stand, not behind it. I hung my targets between the legs of a brand new frame, and this was the result (hanging steel in front of the frame fixed it -- bullet particles sprayed in front of the legs causing almost no damage to the frame):
(https://i.imgur.com/7yZLaXI.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/U1aKJb9.jpg)
Post by: macsak on April 27, 2023, 01:05:54 PM
if you hit the target, the rounds will probably never make it to the backstop. A free-hanging target should deflect downward, and the round should be all but vaporized upon impact with steel.
Most of what comes off the steel will be sprayed in front of the stand, not behind it. I hung my targets between the legs of a brand new frame, and this was the result (hanging steel in front of the frame fixed it -- bullet particles sprayed in front of the legs causing almost no damage to the frame):
(https://i.imgur.com/7yZLaXI.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/U1aKJb9.jpg)
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 27, 2023, 01:46:27 PM
steel no longer allowed
Please show me where I said otherwise.
Post by: macsak on April 27, 2023, 01:52:32 PM
Please show me where I said otherwise.
Post by: zippz on April 27, 2023, 01:55:26 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 27, 2023, 01:57:11 PM
please show me where i said you did
Then why did you post that specific comment as a reply to my post?
#NoFocus
Post by: macsak on April 27, 2023, 02:07:30 PM
you responded about current rules with a post about rounds contacting steel, which is no longer allowed in the current rules
i was just pointing out that it is no longer allowed...
Then why did you post that specific comment as a reply to my post?
#NoFocus
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 27, 2023, 02:26:02 PM
focus
you responded about current rules with a post about rounds contacting steel, which is no longer allowed in the current rules
i was just pointing out that it is no longer allowed...
The rule change is why I posted my comment -- since the discussion moved toward speculation as to the reasoning behind the change. I was giving my personal experiences in case others have not yet tried mounting steel targets to wooden frames and why the rules make no sense (shouldn't have to spell that out to most people).
Your comment was redundant.
Post by: QUIETShooter on April 27, 2023, 02:29:23 PM
Emailed George who said they are revising the rifle target frame dimensions and will update the website when done. Also asked whether they replaced any of the rifle target frame pipe holders that were damaged and was told no.
Woo hoo. More 1X2 lumber to buy....... And they neva fix da broken pipe holders in da ground? Gee the city spent $400,000 doing improvements, you'd think they'd at least fix the broken pipes. Feel sorry for the poor guy who gets that lane.
Ha ha But they did paint the roof cause you know, safety, lead and all that...... :rofl:
Post by: macsak on April 27, 2023, 02:31:55 PM
The rule change is why I posted my comment -- since the discussion moved toward speculation as to the reasoning behind the change. I was giving my personal experiences in case others have not yet tried mounting steel targets to wooden frames and why the rules make no sense (shouldn't have to spell that out to most people).
Your comment was redundant.
you left out "in my opinion"...
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 27, 2023, 02:52:20 PM
you replied to a comment about 5 feet, not about steel...
you left out "in my opinion"...
I'm done. You win the passive-aggressive hi-jacking moderator award for the day.
Enjoy!
:thumbsup: :popcorn:
Post by: macsak on April 27, 2023, 02:59:04 PM
enjoy!
:thumbsup: :popcorn:
I'm done. You win the passive-aggressive hi-jacking moderator award for the day.
Enjoy!
:thumbsup: :popcorn:
Post by: dafrtknocker on April 27, 2023, 05:07:33 PM
https://www.honolulu.gov/rep/site/dpr/pmrs_docs/Rifle_Range_target_frame_April_2023_Koko_Head_Shooting_Complex.pdf
Post by: aieahound on April 27, 2023, 06:32:02 PM
tall enough? tell me when
(https://www.google.com/url?q=https://external-preview.redd.it/IfgiwF_UcJmeCKt26MPuF25vxenUuWQyDlYLhjw08XA.jpg%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D336656de91979709034f3bb60638a84eea8f0398&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiG7NGQjcv-AhX1LUQIHRKkAmAQ5hMIBQ&usg=AOvVaw3YX67q5XaHMao3u1gNV5oc)
Read through the thread kinda backwards and liked this post going backward.
Read the context and came back through. Laughed my ass off. :rofl:
That’s why they changed the height and didn’t fix the stand hole pipes.
Find your wedges guys or make sure handy pocket knife is along for the whittle.
Post by: zippz on April 27, 2023, 06:40:17 PM
60 inches
https://www.honolulu.gov/rep/site/dpr/pmrs_docs/Rifle_Range_target_frame_April_2023_Koko_Head_Shooting_Complex.pdf
Hmm something doesn't look right at first glance. That target frame diagram is not to scale at 60".
I feel like I'm looking at this.
(https://i.imgur.com/qbWmTEI.jpg)
Post by: mrgaf on April 27, 2023, 07:01:33 PM
Post by: QUIETShooter on April 27, 2023, 07:12:31 PM
I’m going on Saturday 11:10 appointment. Target height is “requested” not required and I don’t have the time to build to one to honor their “request” therefore I’ll use my frame that is built to the KHSC specs that were in effect prior to all this bullshit. 8)
I have a feeling a lot of shooters going this weekend don't even know about this "request".
Post by: dogman on April 27, 2023, 07:15:02 PM
I'm done. You win the passive-aggressive hi-jacking moderator award for the day.Why are you letting a guy who never owned a steel target, a wooden target stand or a tape measure troll you? Just ignore the trolling award winning passive-aggressive hi-jacking moderator.
Enjoy!
:thumbsup: :popcorn:
Post by: wirecounter on April 27, 2023, 07:31:57 PM
I’m going on Saturday 11:10 appointment. Target height is “requested” not required and I don’t have the time to build to one to honor their “request” therefore I’ll use my frame that is built to the KHSC specs that were in effect prior to all this bullshit. 8)
This!!The dims on the wood to build the frame states 60" to 80". So, how will the center of the lowest target be at 60" if the frame is only 60" in length, not accounting for the few inches that go in the ground. Something does not add up . . .
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 27, 2023, 07:52:12 PM
Why are you letting a guy who never owned a steel target, a wooden target stand or a tape measure troll you? Just ignore the trolling award winning passive-aggressive hi-jacking moderator.
:thumbsup: :shaka:
It's like having a dialogue with Groot, only with a slightly larger vocabulary.
#Heads
(https://i.imgur.com/xdhBWBP.gif)
Post by: oldfart on April 27, 2023, 07:54:16 PM
Hmm something doesn't look right at first glance. That target frame diagram is not to scale at 60".===========
I feel like I'm looking at this.
(https://i.imgur.com/qbWmTEI.jpg)
I think that's a dude
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 27, 2023, 07:55:44 PM
Hmm something doesn't look right at first glance. That target frame diagram is not to scale at 60".
I feel like I'm looking at this.
(https://i.imgur.com/qbWmTEI.jpg)
I didn't know Picasso did medical illustrations, too.
Post by: ren on April 27, 2023, 08:53:10 PM
===========
I think that's a dude
you are a "phobe
Post by: oldfart on April 27, 2023, 09:24:53 PM
you are a "phobe============
Hey...I just call it like I see it.
It's a dude alien with dangly arms and a little alien the size of a monk seal in its belly.
The Area 51 doctors will need to cut that thing out with one of those new-fangled electric mini chain saws.
Post by: ren on April 27, 2023, 09:37:30 PM
============
Hey...I just call it like I see it.
It's a dude alien with dangly arms and a little alien the size of a monk seal in its belly.
The Area 51 doctors will need to cut that thing out with one of those new-fangled electric mini chain saws.
Galactic Xenomorph Waycist!
Post by: oldfart on April 27, 2023, 10:04:52 PM
Galactic Xenomorph Waycist!=========
guilty...and proud of it
Post by: hvybarrels on April 27, 2023, 10:21:35 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/qbWmTEI.jpg)
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Post by: aieahound on April 27, 2023, 10:33:41 PM
At least it would be reactive.
Can we still use the steel legged frame holders that hold the wood target frame on top as well ?
Steel swingers are held by a cotter pin. Not to hard to drill a wood swinger for that.
Post by: randay on April 28, 2023, 04:29:54 AM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 28, 2023, 08:20:25 AM
you dont need to make a new target stand. just staple an extra long piece of cardboard to the top of your existing stand.
or screw a piece of plywood.
i've heard of tree huggers, but that's a bit extreme!
:shake:
Post by: QUIETShooter on April 28, 2023, 08:37:59 AM
The dims on the wood to build the frame states 60" to 80". So, how will the center of the lowest target be at 60" if the frame is only 60" in length, not accounting for the few inches that go in the ground. Something does not add up . . .
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Yeah, doesn't look like too much thought was put into relaying this information and also implementing the design on the KHSC website. Looks like it was a hasty and last minute add-on.
I know I've said this before but it really irks me that they (city) spent $400,000 on "improvements" but they didn't fix the target stand pipes.......
One time I had a lane where at the 50 yd. mark one pipe was bent out of round. It couldn't fit the target stand very well and it stood like me.....crooked like an old man.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 28, 2023, 11:11:58 AM
Yeah, doesn't look like too much thought was put into relaying this information and also implementing the design on the KHSC website. Looks like it was a hasty and last minute add-on.
I know I've said this before but it really irks me that they (city) spent $400,000 on "improvements" but they didn't fix the target stand pipes.......
One time I had a lane where at the 50 yd. mark one pipe was bent out of round. It couldn't fit the target stand very well and it stood like me.....crooked like an old man.
U assume KHSC has an official website
Post by: Akubone1 on April 29, 2023, 07:18:19 AM
Post by: QUIETShooter on April 29, 2023, 08:48:55 AM
Parks website states 50 yd targets only allowed at 10, 12, 14, & 18 stalls. Only .22 cal can be shot at 50yds. Hopefully those that go today can clarify the new rule/process changes.
:( Bummer. I'm assuming 22 LR? And only 4 stalls......Guys with 9mm carbines are gonna be sad.
Post by: zippz on April 29, 2023, 09:30:26 AM
Bring your ID and pic or paper copy of your reservation.
Update: there's a bunch of no shows on the 2nd timeslot
Post by: oldfart on April 29, 2023, 09:37:39 AM
Parking lot is almost full. Most people showing up for their reservations.============
Bring your ID and pic or paper copy of your reservation.
take pictures and file a report.
I was thinking about doing that, but I figure you would do that anyway, so I save myself a 60-mile trip.
Post by: pukas84 on April 29, 2023, 02:12:04 PM
Post by: Rhed on April 29, 2023, 02:27:19 PM
Post by: edster48 on April 29, 2023, 02:28:21 PM
It's been awfully quiet since about 11 am.
Post by: aieahound on April 29, 2023, 02:34:21 PM
Post by: ren on April 29, 2023, 02:36:20 PM
I can hear the range from my house.
It's been awfully quiet since about 11 am.
here we go...
Post by: edster48 on April 29, 2023, 02:44:26 PM
Edster’s in the House ! :shaka:
Hey 'Hound, how's your bod? ;)
Post by: akupalu on April 29, 2023, 03:24:02 PM
Are they enforcing the center of target 60" from ground?
I went from 0800-0920. The 5ft bottom of the lowest target was not enforced. There was alot of people using their old stands, and low to the grass. Also I shot 7.62x39 and 5.56 at the 50yd along with many other people. I dunno what stand number i was at but the stands on both sides of me was on the 50 also. I dunno if not supposed to but r/o never say nothing. Mostly the same r/o's working, except a few I didn't see. They looked happy to be back at the range. Alot of people modified their target stands also tho. I'll prolly make a new one in case they start enforcing that.
Post by: ren on April 29, 2023, 03:33:04 PM
The City needs ROs. There is a large turnover that has already begun and it will get worse. Don't know why the City reached out to an out-of-State consulting firm when they had the expertise in-house.
City management took a system / process that was working and added another layer of bureaucracy to it.
But it was a good day.
(https://akns-images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2016020/rs_600x600-160120105457-600.4-today-was-a-good-day-ice-cube.jpg?fit=around%7C1080:1080&output-quality=90&crop=1080:1080;center,top)
Post by: edster48 on April 29, 2023, 03:35:32 PM
:D
Post by: bushmasta55 on April 29, 2023, 03:53:30 PM
Post by: jc2721 on April 29, 2023, 04:10:11 PM
Post by: ren on April 29, 2023, 04:42:52 PM
Lopaka:
Ahh yes, the old Brodie/Judd property where members of the Honolulu Rifles led by German Consul General H.F. Glade trained before committing treason in an event culminating in the Bayonet Constitution. Thankfully the Honolulu Rifles were disbanded in 1890 after the 1889 Wilcox rebellion and then exposed as Knights of Pythias member operating in the Kingdom under charter from Congress. Cause if they were not exposed in 1890 while open carrying in public in the Kingdom, then we today wouldn't know the US is liable for interfering and intervening in the domestic affairs of the Kingdom prior to landing troops in 1893. Now this...adds a whole other perspective on 1893 as well as the policy thereafter to engage in fraud by contract and trade with successors of usurpers. :popcorn:
Post by: mrgaf on April 29, 2023, 05:14:58 PM
Is prone shooting still allowed?
Yes….
Post by: mrgaf on April 29, 2023, 05:23:56 PM
Post by: Kuleana on April 29, 2023, 06:14:20 PM
Excellent historical information worthy of its own thread. :thumbsup:
Lopaka:
Ahh yes, the old Brodie/Judd property where members of the Honolulu Rifles led by German Consul General H.F. Glade trained before committing treason in an event culminating in the Bayonet Constitution. Thankfully the Honolulu Rifles were disbanded in 1890 after the 1889 Wilcox rebellion and then exposed as Knights of Pythias member operating in the Kingdom under charter from Congress. Cause if they were not exposed in 1890 while open carrying in public in the Kingdom, then we today wouldn't know the US is liable for interfering and intervening in the domestic affairs of the Kingdom prior to landing troops in 1893. Now this...adds a whole other perspective on 1893 as well as the policy thereafter to engage in fraud by contract and trade with successors of usurpers. :popcorn:
The US empire meddling in the affairs of sovereign nations leading to illegal overthrows and illegal occupation? How shocking....
And some Americans living in Hawaii today dare question why surviving Hawaiian nationals as well as an ever-growing number of nations on this planet despise the US empire?
Post by: stangzilla on April 29, 2023, 08:37:23 PM
Great to shoot my 44mag reloads again. I felt like a crack addict getting their fix after being sober for 8 months : :geekdanc:
1 guy I didnt see was Unko by the restrooms
Post by: oldfart on April 30, 2023, 01:19:20 AM
Went pistol today, 0800. Had a few empty spots==============
Great to shoot my 44mag reloads again. I felt like a crack addict getting their fix after being sober for 8 months : :geekdanc:
1 guy I didnt see was Unko by the restrooms
I'm pretty sure you are referring to Bert. He passed away.
Is this who you are talking about?
Post by: stangzilla on April 30, 2023, 05:14:39 AM
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I'm pretty sure you are referring to Bert. He passed away.
Is this who you are talking about?
The guy always smoking a cigar by the restroom
Looks kind of different in that pic
Post by: macsak on April 30, 2023, 06:35:42 AM
The guy always smoking a cigar by the restroom
Looks kind of different in that pic
Post by: stangzilla on April 30, 2023, 08:00:00 AM
unko paul
Yeah, Paul is his name. I think.
I had a couple cigars for him yesterday. Cool guy
Post by: QUIETShooter on April 30, 2023, 08:09:07 AM
Yeah, Paul is his name. I think.
I had a couple cigars for him yesterday. Cool guy
Just curious as to why he hangs out at the restroom. Only did the usual greetings when I see him. One time he did a lengthy conversation with me about him and the birds that hang out around the restroom. Couldn't quite make out what he was trying to convey but he was quite passionate about it.
Always thought of him as the caretaker of the place. Officially or unofficially.
Post by: dafrtknocker on April 30, 2023, 03:43:00 PM
Post by: oldfart on April 30, 2023, 03:54:27 PM
New pistol stands are pretty tight, had to use a big rock to hammer in my target legs. Only 11 targets set up at 11am time, a lot a room left for people with no appointments.========
Is my old pistol frame still valid?
Post by: stangzilla on April 30, 2023, 04:20:13 PM
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Is my old pistol frame still valid?
Yes
Mine worked just fine
Rifle side metal stands in the ground still suck balls
Some are buried under ground, cannot find them
Post by: stangzilla on April 30, 2023, 04:22:45 PM
I hope he's ok
Post by: powerlessbump on May 05, 2023, 03:28:47 PM
Glad the range is open, but don't feel like IDing just to shoot either. I know I can walk in but with all the spots being reserved far in advance it's difficult to get they motivation to try my luck. Hopefully things change in the future.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 05, 2023, 03:41:45 PM
So during the whole make reservations in order to pta/register your firearm at HPD there were accusations of possible "anti-gun" people taking slots to help make the whole process even more encumbering than it already was. Is this not a concern again this time around? I'm glad the parking lot was full, but not hopeful that so many spots went vacant.
Glad the range is open, but don't feel like IDing just to shoot either. I know I can walk in but with all the spots being reserved far in advance it's difficult to get they motivation to try my luck. Hopefully things change in the future.
in my opinion, the worst aspect of the HPD system was lack of registration for users scheduling an appointment. You could enter just about anything for name and phone, and use a free email address. No way to hold anyone gumming up the works accountable.
With the parks and rec system, you have to go through a user registration and verification process. Any A-Holes would have to create many new accounts to chew up multiple reservations. Once a user is identified as recurring failure to show, that account can be suspended (hopefully that's what happens).
Post by: zippz on May 05, 2023, 05:27:06 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 05, 2023, 09:00:43 PM
It's typical for around 25% to 50% of people to be no shows for reserved events with no cost. So it doesn't surprise me there are that many open lanes at the range.
Right. But, at least registrations give the admins the ability to suspend those who have excessive no-shows.
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 05, 2023, 10:36:02 PM
Right. But, at least registrations give the admins the ability to suspend those who have excessive no-shows.Ill bet theyre not gonna be proactive.
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Post by: Stugatz on May 06, 2023, 12:57:20 AM
Right. But, at least registrations give the admins the ability to suspend those who have excessive no-shows.I think there should be an option to cancel if one can't make it, then have that spot open up again in the system, so someone else will have a chance to go......or is there?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 06, 2023, 11:01:28 AM
I think there should be an option to cancel if one can't make it, then have that spot open up again in the system, so someone else will have a chance to go......or is there?
We had to deal with that in the HPD permit reservation system in the beginning, too. If you needed to cancel an appointment, you had to call up or go there in person.
They eventually made it so you could cancel online, which is one way people on the forum were able to trade reservations. One person would cancel, and the other would take it as soon as it appeared in the list -- assuming someone else didn't snag it first.
Post by: dafrtknocker on May 07, 2023, 10:54:42 AM
Effective Saturday, June 3, 2023: For rifle range targets, center of lowest target must be at least 5 feet from the ground.
https://web1.hnl.info/khsc/shooting-range
Post by: dafrtknocker on May 07, 2023, 08:00:38 PM
Post by: QUIETShooter on May 09, 2023, 07:36:50 AM
After the last cease fire today, We could hear somebody still shooting, Looks like a couple groups decided to go to the silhouette side and shoot some steel, must have been great with no lines or waiting for a table. R.O., ran over to let them know it was closed.
:rofl: :rofl: They probably knew but said "f**k it..."
Post by: powder monkey on May 09, 2023, 01:56:22 PM
Active shooter
Post by: wirecounter on May 10, 2023, 03:24:27 PM
Target height update.
Effective Saturday, June 3, 2023: For rifle range targets, center of lowest target must be at least 5 feet from the ground.
https://web1.hnl.info/khsc/shooting-range
I just measured my rifle frame and it is four feet tall. :wtf:
I do not see a maximum height so I'll just buy ten foot 2" x 2" posts then the center of my lowest target will be seven feet above the ground . . .
Post by: aieahound on May 10, 2023, 05:42:03 PM
I like the 10 foot idea. Even 8. Red flag out the back of pick up.
Or red flag. Hatch back bungee corded down.
Someone gotta bust out the 10 foot high stand. Take pictures.
I’ll laugh my ass off.
Post by: mrgaf on May 10, 2023, 06:04:54 PM
Mine are all 4 feet tall to fit in the bed or across the back seat.
I like the 10 foot idea. Even 8. Red flag out the back of pick up.
Or red flag. Hatch back bungee corded down.
Someone gotta bust out the 10 foot high stand. Take pictures.
I’ll laugh my ass off.
That’s exactly what I am thinking of doing! They’ll shit their pants….. :D
Post by: wirecounter on May 10, 2023, 06:11:47 PM
Mine are all 4 feet tall to fit in the bed or across the back seat.Home Depot doesn't have ten foot sticks, only eight feet. I may have to buy four eight footers, cut to five foot lengths, abd put bolts through the legs (like my pistol targets) to get my ten foot high target frame.
I like the 10 foot idea. Even 8. Red flag out the back of pick up.
Or red flag. Hatch back bungee corded down.
Someone gotta bust out the 10 foot high stand. Take pictures.
I’ll laugh my ass off.
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Post by: stangzilla on May 10, 2023, 07:48:28 PM
Post by: stangzilla on May 10, 2023, 07:49:51 PM
Post by: randay on May 11, 2023, 04:14:40 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 11, 2023, 01:33:16 PM
Post by: ren on May 11, 2023, 02:00:54 PM
There were 5-6 non-range, admin folks corralling shooters into lines and checking IDs. Lots of empty tables during relays but they couldn't be immediately filled by people waiting because of the City's processes. It was inefficient and dumb. There were about 2 City personnel wearing cloth masks to protect them from lead exposure. OK....
Post by: randay on May 11, 2023, 02:02:20 PM
I would like to see a pic of the new target stands. "center of lowest target must be 5 ft off the ground". I'm 5'7.
Someone show up with a 10 foot by 1 foot TARGET. then the bottom of the target will be on the ground and the top will be 10ft in the air, and the center will be 5 feet. compliance!
Post by: ren on May 11, 2023, 02:03:45 PM
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 11, 2023, 02:17:03 PM
Just show up with a bouncy house or this to make it more challenging for the shooter
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Sorry, but can't resemble a human.
:geekdanc:
Post by: stangzilla on May 11, 2023, 03:53:47 PM
Post by: Akubone1 on May 11, 2023, 04:27:47 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 11, 2023, 04:53:16 PM
:geekdanc: :shaka:
Post by: aieahound on May 11, 2023, 07:57:31 PM
Post by: aletheuo137 on May 12, 2023, 07:41:27 AM
How high can a target be before it's an illegal billboard?Moving target! Hmmm...
:geekdanc: :shaka:
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Post by: Rhed on July 11, 2023, 10:23:32 PM
Post by: stangzilla on July 12, 2023, 12:16:38 AM
Probably ask this before, how’s the walk ins? Also, just wanna confirm if we still good to prone? :shaka:
Good to prone
Last Saturday at 0800 rifle side had a few empty spots, so walk ins chances I would say is pretty good. Bc Saturday 0800 is probably the most popular day and time.
Quite a few people left after only 1 target change
Post by: oldfart on July 12, 2023, 09:33:48 AM
Probably ask this before, how’s the walk ins? Also, just wanna confirm if we still good to prone? :shaka:...
I went pistol side Sunday afternoon during the last 2 weeks. No problem walking in.
Post by: Rhed on July 12, 2023, 09:39:39 AM
Post by: oldfart on July 12, 2023, 10:26:00 AM
Nice! Coming out this weekend then. Haven’t been there since last year. About a 2 weeks before they closed.===========
If you go shoot pistol, don't be surprised if your skill level sucks. No practice takes its toll.
Post by: Rhed on July 12, 2023, 11:15:25 AM
===========yea, no doubt..
If you go shoot pistol, don't be surprised if your skill level sucks. No practice takes its toll.
Post by: Porkadobo on July 16, 2023, 10:16:55 PM
Post by: stangzilla on July 17, 2023, 04:57:32 AM
Is shooting handguns still allowed at the rifle range? I remember seeing someone once in awhile shoot their pistols on that side couple years back
It just needs to have some kind of optic on the pistol. Red dot, scope, etc.
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 17, 2023, 09:38:10 AM
It just needs to have some kind of optic on the pistol. Red dot, scope, etc.
This is another shitty rule. I was zeroing my rifle and wanted to function check my pistol as I had trigger problems. Instead of packing all my stuff and walking over and wiating for a pistol lane, it would have been much easier to do the test where I was. I was told the above, only if get red dot on it.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 17, 2023, 09:42:25 AM
This is another shitty rule. I was zeroing my rifle and wanted to function check my pistol as I had trigger problems. Instead of packing all my stuff and walking over and wiating for a pistol lane, it would have been much easier to do the test where I was. I was told the above, only if get red dot on it.
And, if the pistol side had space, but you were taking up a rifle bench with people waiting, ...
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 17, 2023, 09:49:48 AM
And, if the pistol side had space, but you were taking up a rifle bench with people waiting, ...
It would have only taken 2 mins tops to do. The handgun would fire 2 rds at most then not fire. Had an Apex trigger installed and they provided another type of part cause I guess the problem was common. I explained this to the RO that it will be 2 mins and I wasn't there to zero or target shoot at 50/100 yards. Strictly function check.
Good news is the new a part worked. I think I had a thread about this a few years ago.
Post by: randay on July 17, 2023, 10:49:07 AM
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 17, 2023, 01:41:20 PM
any word when weekdays will open back up? or can someone ask next time they go? thanks!
Thank you for asking this question. I would like to know also. :shaka:
Post by: mrgaf on July 17, 2023, 08:13:12 PM
any word when weekdays will open back up? or can someone ask next time they go? thanks!
The pig Theilan is not going to open up weekdays at least for the foreseeable future.
Post by: randay on July 18, 2023, 08:13:43 AM
The pig Theilan is not going to open up weekdays at least for the foreseeable future.
she told you that? is that an official statement?
Post by: zippz on July 18, 2023, 08:44:16 AM
It's all based on staffing. It was just released it takes 5 months to hire a city worker and there's a 2,500 shortage of city workers overall. Stores and restaurants are still facing dire worker shortages.
Going to be a while.
Post by: drck1000 on July 18, 2023, 08:51:46 AM
I can foresee it will be a while before weekdays open up again.I saw the City mentioned that as one reason why things like brush clearing on the sides of highways weren't being done, which is lack of staffing. So. . . taxes and fees that pay for those services haven't gone down, so what is happening with the money? Oh, like pay raises?
It's all based on staffing. It was just released it takes 5 months to hire a city worker and there's a 2,500 shortage of city workers overall. Stores and restaurants are still facing dire worker shortages.
Going to be a while.
Post by: mrgaf on July 18, 2023, 07:58:47 PM
she told you that? is that an official statement?
I have a few contacts in the parks department who have told me that she has no plans to change anything for the foreseeable future. I was also a mater HE instructor and had to listen to her bullshit as she tried to gut the program when she was with DLNR. She’s a bitch and an arrogant one to boot!
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 21, 2023, 07:48:34 AM
By the way, how are those RSO's getting their 40 hrs. a week working weekends?
Just asking. I have a feeling a lot of this can be solved but like it was mentioned, that lady is a puke.
And an arrogant one at that.
Post by: astroboy on July 21, 2023, 09:15:11 AM
We pay an outrageous amount of money just to get substandard results.
In order to fund the rail our taxes will absolutely go up.
Post by: zippz on July 21, 2023, 10:14:15 AM
Staffing problem? What happened to the existing workers? Quit? Still have those questionable levels of lead in their bodies so they staying home collecting unemployment?
By the way, how are those RSO's getting their 40 hrs. a week working weekends?
Half of them quit, and the other have were temporarily reassigned to work at other parks. They are part-time workers, contracted I think.
It doesn't pay much and no benefits. It's a job more for gun enthusiasts who are retirees or just want to hangout at the range. I can see how it would be hard to fill positions as it's a niche kind of thing.
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 21, 2023, 03:21:42 PM
Mean while have any of you gotten your property tax statements?
We pay an outrageous amount of money just to get substandard results.
In order to fund the rail our taxes will absolutely go up.
Yep. Got mine. All that came out of my mouth was WTF........
My mind was swirling with a multitude of thoughts: Councilmembers 3X pay raise, Blangiardi declaring he wants us "to feel safe", ::) (no blame the law, gunfunnit), 10 Billion dollar Rail that goes nowhere, :rofl:
And a partridge in a pear tree. Who knows how many billion that sh*t cost.
Post by: Akubone1 on July 31, 2023, 09:50:39 AM
Post by: drck1000 on July 31, 2023, 10:24:17 AM
Heard they are hiring some ROs. They are in the process of onboarding now and will start training. Hopefully they’ll start to open weekdays in a couple of months. Maybe start with only one weekday for now. I think the biggest hurdle is finding a range master and assistant. That might prevent the range from returning to normal hours.Good news. . .
I used to go Friday mornings often. Worked well for my work schedule, as well as usually less busy.