Post by: Kai223 on April 24, 2023, 01:45:41 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 24, 2023, 08:44:16 AM
The other got a call stating they were missing his medical insurance policy number. WHich means it's at least 10 days from when they send out the medical form to his insurance provider. They could send out the form a week later, which would make it 17 (10 days + 7 days) days until they finalize the process.
Post by: pacwire on April 24, 2023, 09:39:36 AM
Since then i took my class, submitted NEW paperwork in Feburary. Back in March, i get a call saying that they made a "correction" to my form and wanted to let me know if it was ok (Yes it was). From That point, i was informed it was headed to the "Chief's Office". So fast forward to today, nothing as of yet. I also believe that once the New City Law goes into effect, we will see the CCW Permits.
Aloha!
Post by: stangzilla on April 24, 2023, 11:29:38 AM
Post by: Kai223 on April 24, 2023, 12:40:53 PM
I had 2 guys get a reply who submitted in Feb. 1 stated HPD is missing his pistol affidavid. Cough cough BS.
The other got a call stating they were missing his medical insurance policy number. WHich means it's at least 10 days from when they send out the medical form to his insurance provider. They could send out the form a week later, which would make it 17 (10 days + 7 days) days until they finalize the process.
Post by: Kai223 on April 24, 2023, 12:43:13 PM
I was one of the Original 100 that submitted back when before the "RULES OF THE CHIEF" which changed requirement and forms.
Since then i took my class, submitted NEW paperwork in Feburary. Back in March, i get a call saying that they made a "correction" to my form and wanted to let me know if it was ok (Yes it was). From That point, i was informed it was headed to the "Chief's Office". So fast forward to today, nothing as of yet. I also believe that once the New City Law goes into effect, we will see the CCW Permits.
Aloha!
Post by: mill8316 on April 24, 2023, 12:57:07 PM
Most of the other guys who took the same ccw class as me submitted at the end of December and their permits were all completed in under 50 days.
Mine should have been even easier to complete, because my Primary Care Physician actually retired in December. So they didn’t even have a PCP to contact.
I am going to call this week and see what is going on. Last time I called, I talked to female officer who was rude and basically told me don’t call us, we will call you if we need anything.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 24, 2023, 12:58:45 PM
Did the call have HPD as the caller ID? I get a bunch of spam calls so I don’t pick up all the time if it’s during off hours or I don’t recognize it. I’m assuming they don’t leave voicemails.
Sometimes it has a blocked number. Sometimes it has 768-0000. The times I didn't pick up when it had a blocked number, a message was always left.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 24, 2023, 12:59:30 PM
I submitted January 5th and still haven’t received mine.
Most of the other guys who took the same ccw class as me submitted at the end of December and their permits were all completed in under 50 days.
Mine should have been even easier to complete, because my Primary Care Physician actually retired in December. So they didn’t even have a PCP to contact.
I am going to call this week and see what is going on. Last time I called, I talked to female officer who was rude and basically told me don’t call us, we will call you if we need anything.
Make sure you mention u submitted on 1/5 and others in your class when they submitted and got theirs.
Post by: Kai223 on April 24, 2023, 01:40:33 PM
Sometimes it has a blocked number. Sometimes it has 768-0000. The times I didn't pick up when it had a blocked number, a message was always left.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 24, 2023, 01:52:28 PM
Got it, thanks for the information. I suppose it’s best to just sit back and wait for them to call otherwise my paperwork might magically end up at the bottom of the pile. Zero transparency and no oversight, always a good mix.
There is also no logical way they're processing them. Like u stated, some already got theirs. I know a few other guys who submitted same time and few took 50 days, others took 70 days, and other still waiting (90 days).
If there was a red flag, then their existing guns should have been confiscated. So that's not the issue. It's just stuff piling up and what ever is at the top is being grabed. No LIFO procedure.
Post by: zippz on April 24, 2023, 02:03:59 PM
SB1230 is vastly different from neighbor island requirements so you may have to redo everything. But fortunately CCW processing is much faster there. I heard Kauai CCWs are approved in a few weeks.
Post by: macsak on April 24, 2023, 02:26:21 PM
There is also no logical way they're processing them. Like u stated, some already got theirs. I know a few other guys who submitted same time and few took 50 days, others took 70 days, and other still waiting (90 days).
If there was a red flag, then their existing guns should have been confiscated. So that's not the issue. It's just stuff piling up and what ever is at the top is being grabed. No LIFO procedure.
you mean FIFO?
Post by: pacwire on April 24, 2023, 04:11:59 PM
Did the call have HPD as the caller ID? I get a bunch of spam calls so I don’t pick up all the time if it’s during off hours or I don’t recognize it. I’m assuming they don’t leave voicemails.
YES I PERSONALLY SAW THE CALLER ID AND SPOKE WITH THE SGT.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 24, 2023, 05:12:22 PM
you mean FIFO?No focus
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Post by: Sodie on April 24, 2023, 06:34:25 PM
Did the call have HPD as the caller ID? I get a bunch of spam calls so I don’t pick up all the time if it’s during off hours or I don’t recognize it. I’m assuming they don’t leave voicemails.
When I got my call to correct a date on the application, it showed up as (808) 768-0000 C&C OF HONOLULU.
Post by: Kai223 on April 24, 2023, 06:49:53 PM
Post by: Kai223 on April 24, 2023, 07:33:43 PM
There is also no logical way they're processing them. Like u stated, some already got theirs. I know a few other guys who submitted same time and few took 50 days, others took 70 days, and other still waiting (90 days).
If there was a red flag, then their existing guns should have been confiscated. So that's not the issue. It's just stuff piling up and what ever is at the top is being grabed. No LIFO procedure.
Post by: reloadme on April 25, 2023, 11:20:12 AM
April 24th, yesterday - received HPD certified letter
April 25th, today - picked LTC permit
Post by: ren on April 25, 2023, 11:31:56 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 25, 2023, 01:07:45 PM
January 4th - turned in paperwork
April 24th, yesterday - received HPD certified letter
April 25th, today - picked LTC permit
Go holo holo cause sensitive places kicks in on 5/1. Enjoy.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 25, 2023, 01:09:14 PM
Pretty funny how you can submit a PTA today and get it back sooner than a response for a CCW submitted 3 months ago.
That's the argument. One can buy an "assault rifle" that's belt fed, but cannot carry a tiny pistol. Since HI is the only state to require a PTA, they showed their hand on how fast they can do a background check. Wait till the lawsuits are filed.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 25, 2023, 03:55:30 PM
What if they are "penalizing" applicants who applied before and were denied? I believe you have to state if you've ever applied and been denied in the past.
If so, the state summarily denying all applications for having no exceptional justification could be intentionally misinterpreted as having been denied for cause. They might be spending more time looking for the reason your application was denied other than "this is Hawaii."
Just a thought. Would be interesting to know if the people still waiting have ever applied before the Bruen decision.
:shaka:
Post by: Cain57 on April 25, 2023, 04:45:01 PM
January 4th - turned in paperwork
April 24th, yesterday - received HPD certified letter
April 25th, today - picked LTC permit
What number is your permit
Post by: mill8316 on April 26, 2023, 06:39:47 PM
So basically 110 days, and I don’t have a PCP for them to even check with as my physician retired last year.
Ridiculous. When pretty much all the guys who took the same ccw class as me and applied 10-15 days earlier than me, got theirs within 60 days. Most were within 45 days so.
Post by: zippz on April 26, 2023, 06:45:14 PM
Post by: QUIETShooter on April 26, 2023, 06:48:03 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 26, 2023, 08:14:05 PM
With all of these inconsistencies I hope it's not because they look at your face and then go from there...... ;)
Is there a "brought Malasadas" application stack that receives top priority?
:geekdanc: :shaka:
Post by: mill8316 on April 26, 2023, 09:39:50 PM
Currently in SB1230, if a CCW license is not approved within 120 days, it is automatically denied.
If everything in the last few laws passed, then everyone will be denied. There is no way they can do all the required interviews in time. They can barely do the basic background checks in 120 days.
Post by: Kai223 on April 27, 2023, 02:34:13 AM
Is there a "brought Malasadas" application stack that receives top priority?
:geekdanc: :shaka:
Post by: Kai223 on April 27, 2023, 02:37:24 AM
If everything in the last few laws passed, then everyone will be denied. There is no way they can do all the required interviews in time. They can barely do the basic background checks in 120 days.
Post by: QUIETShooter on April 27, 2023, 07:41:30 AM
It would stand to reason that it’s the same as the building permit situation, where I gotta drop these Malasadas off to?
Make sure besides the original, there are some creme filled ones also. Garan Ball Barans your application ends up on the top of the pile. :shaka: ;)
Post by: stangzilla on May 22, 2023, 08:29:10 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 22, 2023, 08:33:16 AM
HPD should consider joining the NBA, they’re pros at running the shot clock already. 2 points on the board, 30 seconds left in the game, Landslide win!
Or more like the NFL, tied game and get 1 min left on the clock in the 4th quarter. Takes 20 mins.
Post by: QUIETShooter on May 22, 2023, 08:55:50 AM
108 days and counting
Absolutely no reason for this....... :grrr:
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 22, 2023, 09:06:04 AM
Absolutely no reason for this....... :grrr:
Correct. If 1 can buy any kind of HI gun they want in 14 days, there is no reason why a CCW approval should take longer. HI showed their hand by making a permit to acquire scheme.
Post by: astroboy on May 22, 2023, 11:13:32 AM
Is there a "brought Malasadas" application stack that receives top priority?
:geekdanc: :shaka:
I recently explained to some mainland guests how the "box of manapua" is a metaphor for bribery.
This is especially true when it comes to dealing with government officials.
Bribing government officials just to do their job is common place in many foreign countries, especially in the third world.
It looks like this is the norm for local government in spite of all of the promises made by our politicians.
This yet more proof our government is in the third world and they will keep dragging us down.
Post by: Cain57 on May 22, 2023, 06:46:21 PM
108 days and counting
That’s a pretty long wait…I’m curious to see what happens after 120 days. Will they make people reapply even thought the delay is on their end?
Post by: DocMercy on May 24, 2023, 02:42:36 PM
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/p/AF1QipNkxAap1BQgTVLqKrwgNv5ZXTpYP8nchf7S0jYF=s1360-w1360-h1020)
In NYC, a similar tactic works in avoiding parking and traffic tickets. Why not in HI?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 24, 2023, 03:39:20 PM
Just buy all the merch at the Honolulu Police Relief Association (800 S Beretania St. Suite #202), and put one of their decals on your car. This place also sells HPD ballcaps.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/p/AF1QipNkxAap1BQgTVLqKrwgNv5ZXTpYP8nchf7S0jYF=s1360-w1360-h1020)
In NYC, a similar tactic works in avoiding parking and traffic tickets. Why not in HI?
So, you'd wear that to the police station when applying for a firearm permit? Get ready to have to submit a psych eval form letter. :wacko:
Also, what good is a sticker on your car going to do you? Do you plan on showing the officers behind the desk a phone pic? I'm positive they won't be able to see your sticker otherwise.
I don't think you've thought this plan of yours through.
And of course this works in NYC. They have to believe you don't have the money to pay the parking ticket if your only option of attire looked like that! Don't kick a man when he's down.
:rofl:
Post by: Ripper3785 on May 25, 2023, 08:05:04 AM
Post by: RSN172 on May 25, 2023, 08:41:27 AM
I'll bring a box of malasadas to the braddah that wears that tight pink shirt to the permit office.Liliha Bakery coco puffs will put you on the top of the stack.
Post by: QUIETShooter on May 25, 2023, 08:45:24 AM
I'll bring a box of malasadas to the braddah that wears that tight pink shirt to the permit office.
The guy that wears the blue one with bright red lipstick, blue/green eye shadow and 3 inch eyelashes deserves two boxes ;)
Post by: stangzilla on May 30, 2023, 05:29:09 PM
Post by: JHanawahine on May 30, 2023, 05:49:47 PM
116 days and counting
Post by: QUIETShooter on May 30, 2023, 07:31:50 PM
116 days and counting
Unbelievable. :grrr:
Post by: 2AHawaii808 on May 31, 2023, 05:31:14 PM
116 days and countingI’m about couple days ahead of you
Post by: Kalikikopa on May 31, 2023, 06:00:23 PM
The guy that wears the blue one with bright red lipstick, blue/green eye shadow and 3 inch eyelashes deserves two boxes ;)I prefer Donut King Cronuts :rofl:
Post by: bok88 on June 08, 2023, 08:54:45 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 08, 2023, 09:13:25 AM
105 days...... Tried calling HPD but call went straight to their vm.
Keep it up.
What will be interesting is that you cannot apply for a renewal until 60 days prior.
Post by: stangzilla on June 09, 2023, 06:46:16 PM
Post by: RSN172 on June 09, 2023, 06:50:01 PM
126 days and counting. ridiculousDidn’t someone say 120 days is automatic denial ?
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 09, 2023, 07:32:19 PM
Didn’t someone say 120 days is automatic denial ?Jan 1st
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Post by: stangzilla on June 09, 2023, 08:37:59 PM
Didn’t someone say 120 days is automatic denial ?
That would suck
I will call on Tuesday since Monday is holiday
I am complaint with all their laws, rules, and regulations. All my paperwork is in order, I passed all the tests that they required me to do I jumped through all their hoops that they made
I have fulfilled my end of the deal, but HPD has not fulfilled their end. Not my fault. It's their fault.
Tuesday I want some answers
Post by: QUIETShooter on June 12, 2023, 09:36:14 AM
That would suck
I will call on Tuesday since Monday is holiday
I am complaint with all their laws, rules, and regulations. All my paperwork is in order, I passed all the tests that they required me to do I jumped through all their hoops that they made
I have fulfilled my end of the deal, but HPD has not fulfilled their end. Not my fault. It's their fault.
Tuesday I want some answers
I hope you get some positive answers on Tuesday. Wishing you and others who are in the same predicament the best. :thumbsup:
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 12, 2023, 09:50:14 AM
That would suck
I will call on Tuesday since Monday is holiday
I am complaint with all their laws, rules, and regulations. All my paperwork is in order, I passed all the tests that they required me to do I jumped through all their hoops that they made
I have fulfilled my end of the deal, but HPD has not fulfilled their end. Not my fault. It's their fault.
Tuesday I want some answers
"we get to it when we get to it" Click (phone hanging up)
Post by: stangzilla on June 13, 2023, 05:27:11 PM
I will call on Tuesday
I will have to go down there in person next week. this week I am too busy
Post by: mrgaf on June 14, 2023, 11:10:17 AM
So, you'd wear that to the police station when applying for a firearm permit? Get ready to have to submit a psych eval form letter. :wacko:
Also, what good is a sticker on your car going to do you? Do you plan on showing the officers behind the desk a phone pic? I'm positive they won't be able to see your sticker otherwise.
I don't think you've thought this plan of yours through.
And of course this works in NYC. They have to believe you don't have the money to pay the parking ticket if your only option of attire looked like that! Don't kick a man when he's down.
:rofl:
Maybe HPD should adopt them as their new uniform… >:D
Post by: Eo12 on June 14, 2023, 05:22:13 PM
Post by: macsak on June 14, 2023, 05:43:52 PM
submitted on feb 8, 2023
Post by: Eo12 on June 14, 2023, 08:04:13 PM
someone on the hifico.org fb group posted an email to hpd, hpd firearms, and the police commission
submitted on feb 8, 2023
Seen that posted also. There is no timeframe, order of processing, status updates, or information available to applicants once they apply and that is unacceptable. Just a total run around from hpd when you try to find out information. They should be processed in the order received. Supposedly there’s only one person handling the applications? Ridiculous if that’s true. I don’t understand why no lawsuit has been filed yet for ccw but there’s been some for batons and other things.
Post by: Kaulana86 on June 16, 2023, 05:59:09 AM
Post by: stangzilla on June 16, 2023, 09:02:36 AM
I just passed my class last Sunday and was going over what is needed. Do I really need to fill out the same 10 page firearm questionnaire that I did when I bought the gun? And it says a passport sized photo? even though I don't have a passport
Refer to the checklist on hpd firearms website
Yes you do need the passport photo. Can go to a photo store, longs, and I think post office too
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 16, 2023, 09:09:40 AM
I just passed my class last Sunday and was going over what is needed. Do I really need to fill out the same 10 page firearm questionnaire that I did when I bought the gun? And it says a passport sized photo? even though I don't have a passport
You must complete ALL requirements or your app will be denied and delayed. Triple check to make sure you completed all parts of the form or your app will go back to the bottom of the pile.
Post by: dirsh on June 18, 2023, 03:10:58 PM
Post by: stangzilla on June 18, 2023, 04:30:38 PM
Post by: stangzilla on June 18, 2023, 04:33:48 PM
https://youtu.be/ZIniljT5lJI
Post by: stangzilla on June 24, 2023, 12:25:25 AM
I wonder what's the longest someone has waited
Post by: astroboy on June 24, 2023, 09:42:56 AM
This same dogma applies to the right to carry a firearm.
It will take more law suits like the Santucci case to correct this.
This case cost the state and the city $130k.This was a waste of tax payers money.
It did not have to end this way.
https://youtu.be/JYQtycULFBE
Post by: QUIETShooter on June 24, 2023, 09:55:39 AM
Wouldn't surprise me at all if all this is part of the plan: "So sue me. Not like it's coming out of my pocket".
Post by: stangzilla on July 14, 2023, 02:22:45 PM
I wonder what's the longest someone has waited
168 days
I'm going for the record! :geekdanc:
who has waited longer than that?
Post by: Heavies on July 14, 2023, 03:33:40 PM
168 days
I'm going for the record! :geekdanc:
who has waited longer than that?
I just contacted the firearms section via email, just so happened, somehow, they didn't have a copy of my driver's license, and they needed me to sign my pistol permit. I know I definitely submitted a copy of my DL when I turned it in, why I need to sign the pistol permit is beyond my logic.....
Anyway, they got back to me a few days later with status.
FYSA - firearms section has been reduced in force, so everything is taking A LONG TIME. anticipate long lines and wait times to exercise your RIGHTS........
Post by: mill8316 on July 14, 2023, 04:24:49 PM
I just contacted the firearms section via email, just so happened, somehow, they didn't have a copy of my driver's license, and they needed me to sign my pistol permit. I know I definitely submitted a copy of my DL when I turned it in, why I need to sign the pistol permit is beyond my logic.....
Anyway, they got back to me a few days later with status.
FYSA - firearms section has been reduced in force, so everything is taking A LONG TIME. anticipate long lines and wait times to exercise your RIGHTS........
I was there on Tuesday for long gun permit renewal and there was a young guy who applied in January, and I overheard him tell them he came in because they called him saying they needed a copy of his ID and his handgun safety affidavit. He said he gave both of them when he originally applied, but I guess they didn’t make copies at that time of those 2 items, but they had copies of his other required other items.
A little fishy. And kind of a bummer cuz he is prob gonna be another 6 months before they take another look at his folder (and hopefully all copies are there this time).
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 14, 2023, 06:13:01 PM
I was there on Tuesday for long gun permit renewal and there was a young guy who applied in January, and I overheard him tell them he came in because they called him saying they needed a copy of his ID and his handgun safety affidavit. He said he gave both of them when he originally applied, but I guess they didn’t make copies at that time of those 2 items, but they had copies of his other required other items.
A little fishy. And kind of a bummer cuz he is prob gonna be another 6 months before they take another look at his folder (and hopefully all copies are there this time).
Sounds like HPD needs to create that super-advanced, used by every big agency in the nation tool that keeps track of every item required and who processed each step and when.
You might know it as a "checklist". :thumbsup: :geekdanc:
How anyone can set up such a complicated process with so many requirements and not have a checklist to keep each application on track and paperwork accounted for is mind-boggling.
Required forms submitted? check!
All forms copied and reviewed (including signatures)? check!
Dates of each step and initials of who handled them would be needed to isolate anyone not paying attention to the details and creating unnecessary delays.
They would know at a glance where an application is in the process and if any discrepancies exist.
Such a simple solution, which is why I doubt they have one for CCW processing. If they did, things like missing copies and signatures would be super-rare.
Post by: haynchild on July 14, 2023, 06:46:41 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 14, 2023, 07:57:40 PM
I just contacted the firearms section via email, just so happened, somehow, they didn't have a copy of my driver's license, and they needed me to sign my pistol permit. I know I definitely submitted a copy of my DL when I turned it in, why I need to sign the pistol permit is beyond my logic.....Seems common that stuff is missing. I know a few guys who got the same call.
Anyway, they got back to me a few days later with status.
FYSA - firearms section has been reduced in force, so everything is taking A LONG TIME. anticipate long lines and wait times to exercise your RIGHTS........
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Post by: Heavies on July 16, 2023, 04:29:56 AM
No point to a “check list” if they are going to disregard or change the list at every inconvenience of the applicants.
Post by: RSN172 on July 16, 2023, 06:58:12 AM
Why? Currently a CCW permit is as close to worthless as it can get.
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 16, 2023, 07:31:57 AM
All part of their make um mo harder long wait policy.
Why? Currently a CCW permit is as close to worthless as it can get.
They are employing a tactic I call "Discourage, Frustrate, and Delay."
You call them, they say you didn't sign this or that. Then you call again and it's something else. On and on and on.
They're going full court press on this. Not only did they succeed in making the CCW permit worthless as a wooden penny, but they also probably put the most disorganized, inept, and scatterbrained person in charge of CCW approval.
All of this my opinion, of course. But I've seen these tactics employed before.
Post by: dogman on July 16, 2023, 07:44:51 AM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 16, 2023, 10:06:56 AM
They are employing a tactic I call "Discourage, Frustrate, and Delay."
You call them, they say you didn't sign this or that. Then you call again and it's something else. On and on and on.
They're going full court press on this. Not only did they succeed in making the CCW permit worthless as a wooden penny, but they also probably put the most disorganized, inept, and scatterbrained person in charge of CCW approval.
All of this my opinion, of course. But I've seen these tactics employed before.
Our Mayor doesn't "condone" carrying firearms in public.
“We’re not a gun carrying society and we’re not gonna do anything that’s gonna condone that,” Blangiardi said.
Quote
condone
verb [ T ]
UK /kənˈdəʊn/ US /kənˈdoʊn/
to accept or allow behaviour that is wrong:
- If the government is seen to condone violence, the bloodshed will never stop.
In our government's mind, anyone carrying a firearm in public is a criminal. These new laws are simply "gotchas" designed to catch as many people with CCW licenses as they can so peaceful gun owners can be stripped of their license and 2A rights.
Post by: drck1000 on July 16, 2023, 10:40:24 AM
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 16, 2023, 11:00:15 AM
Our Mayor doesn't "condone" carrying firearms in public.
“We’re not a gun carrying society and we’re not gonna do anything that’s gonna condone that,” Blangiardi said.
In our government's mind, anyone carrying a firearm in public is a criminal. These new laws are simply "gotchas" designed to catch as many people with CCW licenses as they can so peaceful gun owners can be stripped of their license and 2A rights.
I definitely remember him saying this. And I will definitely remember with my vote if or when he seeks other office or re-election.
This coming from someone who thought he was the better choice vs. Amemiya.
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 16, 2023, 11:07:15 AM
A buddy who applied back in Feb got notification of approval this past week. So hang in there fellas.
Interesting. Based on feedback on this forum there are members who applied earlier and are still waiting. As far as I know they haven't been informed why or only find out discrepancies when they call in to inquire.
If there is some kind of hold up for whatever reason they should be notified. If they are being notified, then I retract my statement however this doesn't seem to be the case with some members. They applied earlier than Feb.
And then again there is only one guy processing these permits. Or so I've heard.
Post by: RSN172 on July 16, 2023, 11:36:04 AM
Quote from: QUIETShooter link=topic=49718.msg456602#msg456602
And then again there is only one guy processing these permits. Or so I've heard.
Slow worker. Should be able to process around least one per hour.
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 16, 2023, 12:02:14 PM
A buddy who applied back in Feb got notification of approval this past week. So hang in there fellas.Got 2 friends submitted last week of jan still waiting. Both had to come back 12 weeks after initial drop off due to "missing" stuff.
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Post by: stangzilla on July 16, 2023, 02:01:18 PM
That's a hard days work.
Life is tough
But who cares
We checked the box
We are box checkers after all
Great job! Wooooo!! :rofl:
Post by: stangzilla on July 16, 2023, 02:05:20 PM
I expect to wait a very long time
Bend over and take it
What other option do I have
Lucky we live Hawaii
Land of the oppressed and the best police force money can buy.
I already accept that we are all screwed
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 16, 2023, 02:13:10 PM
Process 1 app, then its plate lunch time, then its take a break for the rest of the day
That's a hard days work.
Life is tough
But who cares
We checked the box
We are box checkers after all
Great job! Wooooo!! :rofl:
That, or maybe;
New application -- start on first page.
Missing a copy of something -- put in in the stack to contact applicant.
Missing a signature -- put in in the stack to contact applicant.
Guy who contacts applicants for missing stuff comes in on Wednesdays for half a day. Makes calls and leaves. If he's on vacation, the applications sit in his box another week or two.
Once all required forms and signatures are submitted, request background check info from HMOs, doctors, health dept, FBI, criminal records division, etc.
Now wait indefinitely until those agencies and businesses respond.
Once all responses are received, do a complete review of all paperwork. If anything needs remedying, put it in the Wednesday guy's in-box.
Once the discrepancies are corrected, do another full review, start to finish, in case you missed something in the previous reviews. If you find any "new" problems previously overlooked, it goes back into the Wednesday guy's pile.
If all is completed, send the application to the Police Chief for final review and approval/rejection. Wait indefinitely for the application to be returned.
That's what I'm envisioning anyway.
Post by: zippz on July 16, 2023, 02:16:15 PM
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 16, 2023, 03:29:49 PM
Still waiting
I expect to wait a very long time
Bend over and take it
What other option do I have
Lucky we live Hawaii
Land of the oppressed and the best police force money can buy.
I already accept that we are all screwed
Great attitude stang! :shaka: Although I detected a bit of sarcasm in your post I don't blame you one bit. I hope you get your notification to go pick up your permit soon. And this goes for all the others who have been waiting for so long.
And for all of the people who supported and succeeded in enacting these ridiculous and violation of rights gun control measures I hope you and your loved ones do not fall victim because of the very laws you have pushed. Even wild animals will bite your hand off in your effort to feed them when they're hungry. Just like criminals, they do not discriminate. All are fair game.
Except it looks like they (criminals) seem to hold an advantage.
Post by: stangzilla on July 16, 2023, 04:30:10 PM
Great attitude stang! :shaka: Although I detected a bit of sarcasm in your post I don't blame you one bit. I hope you get your notification to go pick up your permit soon. And this goes for all the others who have been waiting for so long.
And for all of the people who supported and succeeded in enacting these ridiculous and violation of rights gun control measures I hope you and your loved ones do not fall victim because of the very laws you have pushed. Even wild animals will bite your hand off in your effort to feed them when they're hungry. Just like criminals, they do not discriminate. All are fair game.
Except it looks like they (criminals) seem to hold an advantage.
Yes. You are correct. Theres a lot of sarcasm in my post. I dont know what else to do but try and find some humor. Although I'm crying inside :'(
Post by: stangzilla on July 16, 2023, 04:33:50 PM
Post by: RSN172 on July 16, 2023, 05:16:28 PM
If i didnt have family obligations keeping me here, I would move to Arizona or some other free state a long time ago. Maybe when I retire I'll move to someplace where I can shoot in my backyard and race my Mustangs at a local track. The 2 things that matter the most to me I cant do here. But maybe one day.....Can do both Hilo side of the BI. I shoot in my back and front yard and my friend races his 68 SS427 on the drag strip in Hilo.
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 16, 2023, 08:26:56 PM
Great attitude stang! :shaka: Although I detected a bit of sarcasm in your post I don't blame you one bit. I hope you get your notification to go pick up your permit soon. And this goes for all the others who have been waiting for so long.U missed the ET interview with "the veteran". Went something along the lines
And for all of the people who supported and succeeded in enacting these ridiculous and violation of rights gun control measures I hope you and your loved ones do not fall victim because of the very laws you have pushed. Even wild animals will bite your hand off in your effort to feed them when they're hungry. Just like criminals, they do not discriminate. All are fair game.
Except it looks like they (criminals) seem to hold an advantage.
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Post by: groveler on July 16, 2023, 08:47:07 PM
Can do both Hilo side of the BI. I shoot in my back and front yard and my friend races his 68 SS427 on the drag strip in Hilo.Ren refers to me as living in "green acres".
I too can shoot in my yard but don't, as I don't want to scare my animals
or my neighbors animals.
Cows will go through or over a 4 foot fence like it isn't there.
Many of my neighbors don't bother to go to the Hilo track,
they use the main road.
After 1930 hours the cops dispatch out of Hilo some 50 miles away but they have more important
things to deal with than street racers.
Guys that live here locally, have to interrupt dinner.
If there isn't anybody hurt or dead it can wait.
:shaka:
Post by: stangzilla on July 22, 2023, 01:40:59 PM
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 22, 2023, 01:47:26 PM
Got my letters of approval for 2 pistols today. Picking up the permits this week
Glad to hear this! :thumbsup:
Post by: stangzilla on July 22, 2023, 05:51:46 PM
Glad to hear this! :thumbsup:
Thanks! 🤙🤙
Post by: Fia on July 23, 2023, 09:42:49 PM
Got my letters of approval for 2 pistols today. Picking up the permits this week
When did you submit your applications if I may ask?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 24, 2023, 03:24:21 AM
When did you submit your applications if I may ask?
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=49718.msg453960#msg453960
Subtracting 126 days from June 9, 2023, gives you February 3, 2023.
Might not be exact, but it's in the ballpark.
Post by: pacwire on July 24, 2023, 07:03:26 AM
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 24, 2023, 07:46:11 AM
I wonder how long it takes for those applications that are perfect with no need for corrections. Anybody know?
I keep thinking of a forum member who posted here that HPD contacted him to "clarify" something or something about a signature needed on a form when according to him everything seems to be in order.
Did that cause his application to go to the bottom of the pile?
Bottom line: You get it (license) when you get it. Doesn't seem right but it is the reality in the banana republik of Hawaii.
Post by: stangzilla on July 24, 2023, 07:47:48 AM
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=49718.msg453960#msg453960
Subtracting 126 days from June 9, 2023, gives you February 3, 2023.
Might not be exact, but it's in the ballpark.
good calculations. :thumbsup: it was February 3rd
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 24, 2023, 09:21:54 AM
good calculations. :thumbsup: it was February 3rd
I cheated. :geekdanc: :thumbsup:
https://www.timeanddate.com/date/dateadded.html?m1=06&d1=09&y1=2023&type=sub&ay=&am=&aw=&ad=126&rec=
Post by: stangzilla on July 24, 2023, 09:25:54 AM
I cheated. :geekdanc: :thumbsup:
https://www.timeanddate.com/date/dateadded.html?m1=06&d1=09&y1=2023&type=sub&ay=&am=&aw=&ad=126&rec=
if you're not cheating, you're not trying :shaka: :shaka:
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 24, 2023, 11:43:46 AM
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Post by: raudi on July 24, 2023, 01:33:28 PM
Post by: Kai223 on July 24, 2023, 02:11:19 PM
My paperwork did need multiple corrections which were spotted at different times during the review process, not sure why it wasn’t caught all at once but as someone else mentioned on the forum, triple check all your paperwork when dropping it off.
Also remember to bring exact change because they don’t take card, won’t make change, and won’t keep the extra.
Post by: stangzilla on July 24, 2023, 03:10:21 PM
I have a letter waiting at home from HPD. Hopefully it's my approval.
I think we took the same Permit to Carry class back in january
Post by: raudi on July 24, 2023, 03:31:30 PM
I think we took the same Permit to Carry class back in january
Yeah we did.
Post by: macsak on July 24, 2023, 03:57:51 PM
Yeah we did.
heads
Post by: raudi on July 25, 2023, 08:29:57 AM
Post by: drck1000 on July 25, 2023, 08:40:05 AM
My letters didn't get delivered. Looks like it's delayed.In my buddy's case, since letter was registered/certified, USPS said he needed to sign. His wife couldn't sign :grrr: . So he had to go to the post office to pick it up.
In any case, hope things work out well and smoothly for you.
Post by: stangzilla on July 25, 2023, 08:44:04 AM
In my buddy's case, since letter was registered/certified, USPS said he needed to sign. His wife couldn't sign :grrr: . So he had to go to the post office to pick it up.
In any case, hope things work out well and smoothly for you.
my letters were also certified. so I had to sign for it. USPS delivery guy told my dad he would bring it the next day at 1030, he came at 1230. better late than never
but he did leave a notice saying it was attempted 1 time for delivery and it is certified mail that needed my signature, so I knew to stay home and wait for it
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 25, 2023, 10:57:49 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 25, 2023, 12:51:06 PM
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Post by: pacwire on July 25, 2023, 03:03:52 PM
Post by: Sodie on July 25, 2023, 05:10:15 PM
Post by: Heavies on July 25, 2023, 05:25:13 PM
I applied (for the second time, with the new requirements) in mid-February. Just got my SECOND call (four months apart) from HPD to clarify and correct my application. 🙄
What type of corrections? They said I needed a copy of my driver’s license (which I did submit at the time) and I needed to sign my pistol permit.
Also, at the time of submission, the officer went over everything very carefully, said everything was good. Took 3 months, AND me asking, for them to come up with an issue.
This is pure infringement.
Didn’t the SCOTUS say that these permits need to be issued in a “reasonable timeframe”? What is the legal definition of reasonable. By any normal person’s standards, I’d say this is beyond unreasonable.
Post by: Sodie on July 25, 2023, 06:25:43 PM
What type of corrections? They said I needed a copy of my driver’s license (which I did submit at the time) and I needed to sign my pistol permit.
Also, at the time of submission, the officer went over everything very carefully, said everything was good. Took 3 months, AND me asking, for them to come up with an issue.
This is pure infringement.
Didn’t the SCOTUS say that these permits need to be issued in a “reasonable timeframe”? What is the legal definition of reasonable. By any normal person’s standards, I’d say this is beyond unreasonable.
Supposedly wrong date on HIPAA form, asked if my passport number really started with a “Y” (yes… yes it does), asked if I was born where I said I was born (I don’t personally remember, but that’s what it says on my birth certificate 🙄). A little ridiculous.
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 25, 2023, 06:54:05 PM
Kind of strange since they asked me if i had my letter first.....U can reply verbally..
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Post by: Heavies on July 26, 2023, 12:40:41 AM
Supposedly wrong date on HIPAA form, asked if my passport number really started with a “Y” (yes… yes it does), asked if I was born where I said I was born (I don’t personally remember, but that’s what it says on my birth certificate 🙄). A little ridiculous.
I agree. Sent complaints to my city council members, mayor, and HP commission. See where that goes.
Probably nowhere fast, but makes me feel better.
Hope some groups challenge the carry permit as unconstitutional. Bruen decision, by my logic, renders carry permits unconstitutional. IMO
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 26, 2023, 08:50:41 AM
I agree. Sent complaints to my city council members, mayor, and HP commission. See where that goes.
Probably nowhere fast, but makes me feel better.
Hope some groups challenge the carry permit as unconstitutional. Bruen decision, by my logic, renders carry permits unconstitutional. IMO
Wait till next year, apps that take longer than 120 days are automatically denied and no refund of the new fee of $150 per app. So 2 guns, that's $300. Then another $300 to resubmit.
I have zero confidence in HPD, they will use the "you forgot to mark X" as a justification to exceed the 120 day period. "It's not our fault, the app was incomplete/errors".
Post by: pacwire on July 26, 2023, 09:34:38 AM
BTW i guess i was fortunate that my application that was submitted in Feburary was Granted in Late April. There was ONE correction that was needed and was done Verbally.... Good Luck!
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 26, 2023, 09:45:24 PM
Wait till next year, apps that take longer than 120 days are automatically denied and no refund of the new fee of $150 per app. So 2 guns, that's $300. Then another $300 to resubmit.
I have zero confidence in HPD, they will use the "you forgot to mark X" as a justification to exceed the 120 day period. "It's not our fault, the app was incomplete/errors".
If the law states that after 120 days the application is automatically denied, then HPD should not start the waiting period until the application is complete and in order. Once deemed so, some sort of a receipt type of document should be given to the applicant and the date when the waiting period starts.
Otherwise HPD can make up all kinds of excuses and the whole process degrades into a dog and pony show. Hawaii government and HPD can be asshats at times and would stoop to this level. It's childish if they allow this to happen.
But sadly it wouldn't surprise me one bit but it is wrong. Just wrong. Even for an anti-2a government and state.
Post by: haynchild on July 27, 2023, 12:57:41 AM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 27, 2023, 05:33:48 AM
Just received a call from one of the officers handling my paperwork, told me that my handgun affidavit was notarized before the date I took the class. So I have to get an updated affidavit and turn it in. This was after waiting 4 months since the last time I was contacted. Hopefully I dont get put back in the bottom of the pile now.
Is anyone (HRA, HIFICO, etc.) taking these details of delays and paperwork snafus for possible action? Lawsuit, strongly worded letter to the police commission, etc?
How many times have you applied for a permit with that same handgun affidavit? Seems like the pistol affidavit dates would have been caught when you got your pistol permit(s), not just when you applied for a CCL.
Maybe they didn't care, because they weren't trying to deny you a permit. Seems like they are going above and beyond to find any reason they can to delay and deny Licenses.
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 27, 2023, 08:00:41 AM
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Post by: QUIETShooter on July 27, 2023, 08:19:37 AM
Anyway, they both went to City Hall to do something and the clerk was a sloth. So funny how slow the sloth reacted to their questions and demands.
HPD has a sloth working in the CCW department. :rofl:
Post by: surfmaster on July 27, 2023, 09:35:12 AM
All of these posts remind me of an animated movie I saw a while back. The main character was a female rabbit and I think a fox was her nemisis.
Anyway, they both went to City Hall to do something and the clerk was a sloth. So funny how slow the sloth reacted to their questions and demands.
HPD has a sloth working in the CCW department. :rofl:
Here's the great show of speed from "Zootopia":
https://youtu.be/HHKwnUa3txo
Post by: raudi on July 27, 2023, 10:35:52 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 27, 2023, 11:01:17 AM
All of these posts remind me of an animated movie I saw a while back. The main character was a female rabbit and I think a fox was her nemisis.No, cause the sloth was just slow. Hpd is looking for reasons to delay/deny. And purposly delaying.
Anyway, they both went to City Hall to do something and the clerk was a sloth. So funny how slow the sloth reacted to their questions and demands.
HPD has a sloth working in the CCW department. :rofl:
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Post by: changemyoil66 on July 27, 2023, 11:02:02 AM
Still waiting for my letters to get delivered. Would have been faster to just pick them up.Since u dont have to show it to them, u might assume ur approved if u have the USPS notification and not expecting anything else from the c&c.
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Post by: raudi on July 27, 2023, 11:27:07 AM
Since u dont have to show it to them, u might assume ur approved if u have the USPS notification and not expecting anything else from the c&c.
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Well I wont be able to go down the HPD until next Wednesday anyway. hope to get it before then.
Post by: haynchild on July 27, 2023, 08:04:35 PM
Is anyone (HRA, HIFICO, etc.) taking these details of delays and paperwork snafus for possible action? Lawsuit, strongly worded letter to the police commission, etc?
How many times have you applied for a permit with that same handgun affidavit? Seems like the pistol affidavit dates would have been caught when you got your pistol permit(s), not just when you applied for a CCL.
Maybe they didn't care, because they weren't trying to deny you a permit. Seems like they are going above and beyond to find any reason they can to delay and deny Licenses.
I purchased 2 handguns so far with the affidavit and I am picking up my PTA on Wednesday for another handgun. So yeah all this time they did not notice the discrepancy and they probably would never have if I didnt apply for the CCL.
Post by: Kai223 on July 27, 2023, 08:39:04 PM
Just received a call from one of the officers handling my paperwork, told me that my handgun affidavit was notarized before the date I took the class. So I have to get an updated affidavit and turn it in. This was after waiting 4 months since the last time I was contacted. Hopefully I dont get put back in the bottom of the pile now.
Similar experience, they changed the wording requirement on the affidavits after I had already provided it and told me I needed to get a new one because it didn’t meet the new criteria almost 3 months after I initially submitted my paperwork.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 27, 2023, 10:12:33 PM
I purchased 2 handguns so far with the affidavit and I am picking up my PTA on Wednesday for another handgun. So yeah all this time they did not notice the discrepancy and they probably would never have if I didnt apply for the CCL.
Thanks for that info.
Confirms my suspicion that they are applying different (more picky) standards to the processing of CCL applications than for any other firearm-related "service."
Post by: zippz on July 27, 2023, 10:40:00 PM
Is anyone (HRA, HIFICO, etc.) taking these details of delays and paperwork snafus for possible action? Lawsuit, strongly worded letter to the police commission, etc?
No lawsuit for that in the short term. There are many other things on the list to go after, and it costs a lot of time and money for each. New prohibited persons, other sensitive places, rights waivers, etc. It would be difficult to win in the 9th circuit at this time.
Post by: stangzilla on July 27, 2023, 11:54:35 PM
I was 3rd in line. Took nearly 1 hour to get out out of there
Line moves slowly
Then I carried for the rest of the day to test the feel of it
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 28, 2023, 08:10:32 AM
Picked up my 2 permits today
I was 3rd in line. Took nearly 1 hour to get out out of there
Line moves slowly
Then I carried for the rest of the day to test the feel of it
I have this vision of HPD still clinging to the permits while you struggle to grab them out of their hands..... :rofl:
Line moves slowly
HPD has a sloth working in the CCW department. :rofl:
After all your patience and waiting congrats on your CCW permits! :thumbsup:
Post by: stangzilla on July 28, 2023, 09:09:44 AM
I have this vision of HPD still clinging to the permits while you struggle to grab them out of their hands..... :rofl:
After all your patience and waiting congrats on your CCW permits! :thumbsup:
thanks! :shaka:
Post by: Surfsker on July 30, 2023, 06:38:44 PM
Little extras;
We took the same class, qualified for two guns each, submitted application the same day. Girlfriend had two discrepancies (passport number changed, citizen born abroad) and had two follow up calls in the first month, corrected over the phone. After a few months I would call in checking on the status of our applications. Recently I call in maybe once every two weeks, get the robot lady at firearms saying "It's being reviewed, you'll get a certified letter 10 dollars blah blah thank you don't bother me bye" so I tried the "speak to your supervisor/sergeant" route which does nothing. Moral of the story, she had mistakes never followed up and got hers before me. Luck of the draw.. or they help whoever bothers them the least.
Tips; Sign up for the USPS informed delivery. You'll see a pic of the certified letter in your e-mail the morning of and make sure you're home as no one is allowed to sign for you. You also get separate certified letters and licenses for each gun you qualified/applied for. Dumb extra step to slow everything down.
Post by: Heavies on July 30, 2023, 09:18:29 PM
Both girlfriend and I submitted our applications Feb. 28. She got approval letter July 28. = 151 days / 22 weeks wait. I'm still waiting.Yep. Why certified letters? Why not mail the license to you? Why all the nonsense? Ridiculous and a waste of our time and money. Waste of police resources for nonsense extra “checks”. If you can own a handgun you can carry it. Plain and simple. Both require the exact same things to be legal.
Little extras;
We took the same class, qualified for two guns each, submitted application the same day. Girlfriend had two discrepancies (passport number changed, citizen born abroad) and had two follow up calls in the first month, corrected over the phone. After a few months I would call in checking on the status of our applications. Recently I call in maybe once every two weeks, get the robot lady at firearms saying "It's being reviewed, you'll get a certified letter 10 dollars blah blah thank you don't bother me bye" so I tried the "speak to your supervisor/sergeant" route which does nothing. Moral of the story, she had mistakes never followed up and got hers before me. Luck of the draw.. or they help whoever bothers them the least.
Tips; Sign up for the USPS informed delivery. You'll see a pic of the certified letter in your e-mail the morning of and make sure you're home as no one is allowed to sign for you. You also get separate certified letters and licenses for each gun you qualified/applied for. Dumb extra step to slow everything down.
I really hope someone challenges the requirements for licensing in itself as unconstitutional. We all know it is, according to the 2nd Amendment and the SCOTUS Bruen decision. Show me a analog of a law in the 1700 that required a license to carry a firearm.
Arizona, I filled out the renewal, sent in a money order, they mailed me the license. Fricken simple.
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 31, 2023, 08:34:07 AM
Yep. Why certified letters? Why not mail the license to you? Why all the nonsense? Ridiculous and a waste of our time and money. Waste of police resources for nonsense extra “checks”. If you can own a handgun you can carry it. Plain and simple. Both require the exact same things to be legal.
I really hope someone challenges the requirements for licensing in itself as unconstitutional. We all know it is, according to the 2nd Amendment and the SCOTUS Bruen decision. Show me a analog of a law in the 1700 that required a license to carry a firearm.
Arizona, I filled out the renewal, sent in a money order, they mailed me the license. Fricken simple.
HIFICO brought this up and did some ball park math for cost of envelopes.
Although I only know a few with NV CCW's, all that I know have never had stuff "missing".
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 31, 2023, 09:05:32 AM
Yep. Why certified letters? Why not mail the license to you? Why all the nonsense? Ridiculous and a waste of our time and money. Waste of police resources for nonsense extra “checks”. If you can own a handgun you can carry it. Plain and simple. Both require the exact same things to be legal.
I really hope someone challenges the requirements for licensing in itself as unconstitutional. We all know it is, according to the 2nd Amendment and the SCOTUS Bruen decision. Show me a analog of a law in the 1700 that required a license to carry a firearm.
Arizona, I filled out the renewal, sent in a money order, they mailed me the license. Fricken simple.
Best i can figure, this particular BS is caused by the lawyers our taxes pay.
Certified/signature receipt is the equivalent of having a Cop deliver the letter to you at your address. It provides proof the license was sent and signed for. If there's ever a question about when it was sent, when it was delivered, and who received it, the return receipt is legal evidence for all of that.
Anyway, this is probably being justified under the heading CYA -- so HPD isn't being sued for not mailing licenses after approval.
I've received Non-Resident CCW permits from UT, NV, FL and Maine. They all arrived in the normal mail. If I ever had a problem like not receiving one, I'm sure the issuing state would have had no problem sending a new one.
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 31, 2023, 09:17:54 AM
Best i can figure, this particular BS is caused by the lawyers our taxes pay.
Certified/signature receipt is the equivalent of having a Cop deliver the letter to you at your address. It provides proof the license was sent and signed for. If there's ever a question about when it was sent, when it was delivered, and who received it, the return receipt is legal evidence for all of that.
Anyway, this is probably being justified under the heading CYA -- so HPD isn't being sued for not mailing licenses after approval.
I've received Non-Resident CCW permits from UT, NV, FL and Maine. They all arrived in the normal mail. If I ever had a problem like not receiving one, I'm sure the issuing state would have had no problem sending a new one.
NV comes by regular mail. HPD is just looking for another reason to delay the picking up of CCW's, even if only for a day or 2.
Another option would be to check on the application if 1 wants to pick it up instead. But then again, this is too complicated for HPD to do. Call applicant that they're approved. Or mail a regular mail. A simple call log attached to the app would CYA if 1 says they never got the call. Just staple the post it note size paper to the app.
Post by: Kai223 on July 31, 2023, 02:50:15 PM
Yep. Why certified letters? Why not mail the license to you? Why all the nonsense? Ridiculous and a waste of our time and money. Waste of police resources for nonsense extra “checks”. If you can own a handgun you can carry it. Plain and simple. Both require the exact same things to be legal.
I really hope someone challenges the requirements for licensing in itself as unconstitutional. We all know it is, according to the 2nd Amendment and the SCOTUS Bruen decision. Show me a analog of a law in the 1700 that required a license to carry a firearm.
Arizona, I filled out the renewal, sent in a money order, they mailed me the license. Fricken simple.
I wonder if they’re worried that someone could intercept the mail from the recipient. The cards are on par with the old library cards or IDs you’d get as a student in school. You figure they’d put a little more effort into them like the holographics the drivers licenses have. I imagine someone could easily forge these low quality permit cards.
Post by: Heavies on July 31, 2023, 03:06:39 PM
Best i can figure, this particular BS is caused by the lawyers our taxes pay.
Certified/signature receipt is the equivalent of having a Cop deliver the letter to you at your address. It provides proof the license was sent and signed for. If there's ever a question about when it was sent, when it was delivered, and who received it, the return receipt is legal evidence for all of that.
Anyway, this is probably being justified under the heading CYA -- so HPD isn't being sued for not mailing licenses after approval.
I've received Non-Resident CCW permits from UT, NV, FL and Maine. They all arrived in the normal mail. If I ever had a problem like not receiving one, I'm sure the issuing state would have had no problem sending a new one.
This is not for the license, it's for a letter that tells you, you have to go back, and pick the dang thing up. It's a useless letter.
Post by: RSN172 on July 31, 2023, 03:07:48 PM
I wonder if they’re worried that someone could intercept the mail from the recipient. The cards are on par with the old library cards or IDs you’d get as a student in school. You figure they’d put a little more effort into them like the holographics the drivers licenses have. I imagine someone could easily forge these low quality permit cards.Cops could easily check in their computer if the cards were legit.
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 31, 2023, 04:35:57 PM
Hawaii is doing the delay, discourage, and deny tactics.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 31, 2023, 07:13:36 PM
I wonder if they’re worried that someone could intercept the mail from the recipient. The cards are on par with the old library cards or IDs you’d get as a student in school. You figure they’d put a little more effort into them like the holographics the drivers licenses have. I imagine someone could easily forge these low quality permit cards.
i think you have to show your state ID (driver's license, etc), when showing a cop your CCW license. A CCW license is not considered a valid form of identification, so you'll need more than that.
Anyone forging CCW permits has to also forge a matching license.
Also, what would be the point of using a fake CCW license?
Post by: Motorman on July 31, 2023, 10:40:19 PM
Certified/signature receipt is the equivalent of having a Cop deliver the letter to you at your address. It provides proof the license was sent and signed for. If there's ever a question about when it was sent, when it was delivered, and who received it, the return receipt is legal evidence for all of that.
This is 100% accurate.
Post by: raudi on August 01, 2023, 02:07:29 PM
Post by: Sixdirty6 on August 01, 2023, 02:55:51 PM
"1. Documentation that, at any time in the past, you completed a firearms training or safety course
that satisfies Hawai‘i Revised Statutes (“HRS”) § 134-2(g)(4)."
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 01, 2023, 03:09:20 PM
Can anybody clarify what the first item on the checklist implies? There is conflicting info in the previous replies that some peoples applications were returned due to their affidavits being signed BEFORE they took their CCW class?
"1. Documentation that, at any time in the past, you completed a firearms training or safety course
that satisfies Hawai‘i Revised Statutes (“HRS”) § 134-2(g)(4)."
It's not that the training wasn't completed (in the past), but that the affidavit predates the day you completed that class.
It's a minor detail, but one that might flag a problem with the affidavit's validity.
Post by: Motorman on August 01, 2023, 03:43:59 PM
Can anybody clarify what the first item on the checklist implies? There is conflicting info in the previous replies that some peoples applications were returned due to their affidavits being signed BEFORE they took their CCW class?
"1. Documentation that, at any time in the past, you completed a firearms training or safety course
that satisfies Hawai‘i Revised Statutes (“HRS”) § 134-2(g)(4)."
Instructors were giving applicants affidavits that were notarized (and dated) prior to the completion of the course.
For example, if the affidavit said that the course was completed on March 5th 2023, a wrong affidavit would had been notarized already on March 1st 2023 i.e. notaries we’re attesting to future happenings.
Post by: pacwire on August 01, 2023, 08:25:09 PM
Post by: QUIETShooter on August 02, 2023, 09:27:00 AM
Post by: randay on August 02, 2023, 09:31:30 AM
Why would an instructor pre-date an affidavit before actually giving the class to a student?
why would a notary notarize something that hasnt yet happened.
Post by: QUIETShooter on August 02, 2023, 09:48:03 AM
Why would an instructor pre-date an affidavit before actually giving the class to a student?
why would a notary notarize something that hasnt yet happened.
True.
So....why are these things happening?
Post by: zippz on August 02, 2023, 09:50:27 AM
True.
So....why are these things happening?
Instructors want to give the affidavits to the student when the class ends.
However they are also lying on the affidavit if they're saying the student passed the class before the class started. In reality doesn't matter much if the student passed the class and is given one. But legally it's a no go.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 02, 2023, 09:52:19 AM
Why would an instructor pre-date an affidavit before actually giving the class to a student?
I can think of a couple.
One reason may be convenience. Notaries charge for their services. they also don't usually work on weekends or charge a higher weekend rate. Getting a batch signed prior to end of class can expedite getting the affidavits in the hands of students who complete the training. Waiting until everyone finishes the class delays getting the letters to everyone. I know when I took my NRA handgun safety class, I had to make a special trip almost a week later to pick up my affidavit.
Another might be to take advantage of a bank's free notary service. Banks usually don't charge for the first couple of documents. A class of 12 means he can visit the bank over 4-6 days to get the affidavits he needs -- depending on the actual number per day the bank allows. it's 2 documents per day at my credit union.
Notaries have no choice but to record the exact date they notarize a document. The date in their record book and the date on their signature on the document have to match.
You'll need to wait until after you complete the class for the trainer to have the affidavits notarized. If the trainer mails them out, that's additional costs the students will have to cover. So, this is one more speed bump for CCW.
It's not hard nor very expensive to become a notary -- $130 to apply, take the exam, and get the certification materials. i could see a trainer having an employee do that so he can notarize the affidavits the last day of class. If that notary then makes his services available to other trainers for a small fee, the certification could pay for itself. They could also offer weekend hours where most notaries don't.
I don't know if my "reasons" are the actual ones -- just thinking out loud! :thumbsup: :geekdanc:
Post by: QUIETShooter on August 02, 2023, 09:58:25 AM
So that's why I asked my question. Not insinuating anything. Just wondering why.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 02, 2023, 09:59:40 AM
why would a notary notarize something that hasnt yet happened.
You misunderstand the role of a notary.
Their job is to verify the identity and signature of the person requesting a notary seal on a document. This makes the document legal in the sense that there can be little question that the person whose signature is on the document belongs to the signer. In other words, you can't claim someone else signed your name.
It is not the notary's job to validate, verify or otherwise check the contents of the document being signed.
If I ask a notary public to notarize a letter saying the moon is made of cheese, they will -- to signify that I was the person signing my name. The notary is not supposed to deny service if they disagree with the letter's contents.
Post by: randay on August 02, 2023, 10:03:00 AM
True.
So....why are these things happening?
Two things I can see. 1) notary is only to witness the instructors signature of the documents and not to certify the contents of the document, and that is acceptable use of a notary? in which case hpd is nitpicking. or 2. shenanigans that could and probably will possibly negatively impact the cause.
Post by: QUIETShooter on August 02, 2023, 10:12:27 AM
Two things I can see. 1) notary is only to witness the instructors signature of the documents and not to certify the contents of the document, and that is acceptable use of a notary? in which case hpd is nitpicking. or 2. shenanigans that could and probably will possibly negatively impact the cause.
Yes. I agree with these possibilities. In the case of the previous poster who mentioned the affidavits were dated on a Thursday but the class was on Saturday, it's reasonable to assume that the affidavits were notarized on a Friday, which is perfectly fine.
However, we all know how anti-2a Hawaii is and HPD is no different so, something like this, especially when HPD discovered this discrepancy, can possibly negatively impact our 2a cause.
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 02, 2023, 10:20:12 AM
Post by: randay on August 02, 2023, 10:21:15 AM
Yes. I agree with these possibilities. In the case of the previous poster who mentioned the affidavits were dated on a Thursday but the class was on Saturday, it's reasonable to assume that the affidavits were notarized on a Friday, which is perfectly fine.
However, we all know how anti-2a Hawaii is and HPD is no different so, something like this, especially when HPD discovered this discrepancy, can possibly negatively impact our 2a cause.
OR, It could be that HPD is doing the instructors and the students a favor, and making sure that all their documents are in line. In case of the affidavit being used in court, if it was left with "incorrect" dates, you can imagine the field day lawyers would have with it.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 02, 2023, 10:31:33 AM
I received word that the divorce would be final (future tense) after my soon-to-be-ex, my one minor daughter, and I attended a lecture/class designed to make sure the younger family members were aware of why the divorce was happening and what to expect.
So, we attended the meeting at 5 PM the day we were scheduled. Note this was after business hours.
Side note: Looking around the room at the courthouse, there were a LOT of people getting divorced, and those were just the ones with young kids ... and just for that one month!!
After the meeting, I pulled up our divorce info on the Hawaii family court case search website. Sure enough, the divorce was final -- and dated that same day.
The final date was not the date the judge issued a decision granting the divorce, but the date we completed the required meeting -- a contingency as it were.
I see no difference between that process and the training affidavits. If the letters are handed out contingent upon successful completion of the class, then the date the affidavit was signed is immaterial. The completion date can be included in the document as well. Possession of the letter should be proof of completion, since the trainer would only hand them to those who finished the class.
HPD is making up their own rules again.
Post by: QUIETShooter on August 02, 2023, 10:51:29 AM
OR, It could be that HPD is doing the instructors and the students a favor, and making sure that all their documents are in line. In case of the affidavit being used in court, if it was left with "incorrect" dates, you can imagine the field day lawyers would have with it.
I never would have seen it from this standpoint but it does make perfect sense. Prior to this I've always thought HPD was nit-picking but in a way, not only does this help the CCW holder and Instructor, but also HPD in case for some reason any document relating to granting a CCW license gets used in court.
But then again, this is compounded greatly by the fact that there are so many BS documents to apply for CCW and I wish it was more streamlined but that would be subject for another thread.
Post by: pacwire on August 02, 2023, 12:06:41 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 02, 2023, 12:32:12 PM
I never would have seen it from this standpoint but it does make perfect sense. Prior to this I've always thought HPD was nit-picking but in a way, not only does this help the CCW holder and Instructor, but also HPD in case for some reason any document relating to granting a CCW license gets used in court.There should be no requriements for affidavids. No requirements for hpd to review any paperwork.
But then again, this is compounded greatly by the fact that there are so many BS documents to apply for CCW and I wish it was more streamlined but that would be subject for another thread.
They arent CYA-ing, theyre looking for reasons cause they dont like what Bruen opened up.
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Post by: haynchild on August 02, 2023, 02:55:38 PM
I'm reminded of the day my divorce was granted.
I received word that the divorce would be final (future tense) after my soon-to-be-ex, my one minor daughter, and I attended a lecture/class designed to make sure the younger family members were aware of why the divorce was happening and what to expect.
So, we attended the meeting at 5 PM the day we were scheduled. Note this was after business hours.
Side note: Looking around the room at the courthouse, there were a LOT of people getting divorced, and those were just the ones with young kids ... and just for that one month!!
After the meeting, I pulled up our divorce info on the Hawaii family court case search website. Sure enough, the divorce was final -- and dated that same day.
The final date was not the date the judge issued a decision granting the divorce, but the date we completed the required meeting -- a contingency as it were.
I see no difference between that process and the training affidavits. If the letters are handed out contingent upon successful completion of the class, then the date the affidavit was signed is immaterial. The completion date can be included in the document as well. Possession of the letter should be proof of completion, since the trainer would only hand them to those who finished the class.
HPD is making up their own rules again.
Post by: aieahound on August 02, 2023, 08:12:12 PM
Post by: zippz on August 03, 2023, 06:27:51 AM
HPD approves 409 concealed-carry licenses, making headway on backlog
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2023/08/03/hawaii-news/hpd-approves-409-concealed-carry-licenses-making-headway-on-backlog/
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 03, 2023, 08:11:03 AM
Looks like complaining to the police commission works. Hope this gets more people to apply now.
HPD approves 409 concealed-carry licenses, making headway on backlog
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2023/08/03/hawaii-news/hpd-approves-409-concealed-carry-licenses-making-headway-on-backlog/
Can you post w/o the paywall?
I got 2 friends who got theirs this week. AFter waiting over 150days.
Post by: RSN172 on August 03, 2023, 08:18:33 AM
Logan claims backlog will be cleared this month.
Post by: ren on August 03, 2023, 08:57:45 AM
HONOLULU (KITV4) -- Gun advocates are calling it another roadblock to legal gun ownership. In order to buy a handgun in Hawaii you'll need to get a permit by either taking a handgun safety class or a hunter's ed class.
Current certifications will be void starting January 1st, 2024 and a new class will be required.
(http://HONOLULU (KITV4) -- Gun advocates are calling it another roadblock to legal gun ownership. In order to buy a handgun in Hawaii you'll need to get a permit by either taking a handgun safety class or a hunter's ed class.
Current certifications will be void starting January 1st, 2024 and a new class will be required.)
KITV is linking this to criminals robbing a store. Stupid AI or dumb ass-clownery "jounalists"
https://www.kitv.com/news/police-still-looking-for-two-suspects-involved-in-armed-robbery-at-little-caesars-pizza-in/article_798a16ac-2a92-11ee-bd34-5bc01081b510.html (https://www.kitv.com/news/police-still-looking-for-two-suspects-involved-in-armed-robbery-at-little-caesars-pizza-in/article_798a16ac-2a92-11ee-bd34-5bc01081b510.html)
Post by: raudi on August 03, 2023, 10:37:10 AM
Post by: reloadme on August 03, 2023, 03:25:07 PM
I went and purchased a new Springfield 1911 on August 2nd.
August 3rd, went to HPD today to process PTA, waited 20 mins to receive PTA paperwork.
Went back to LGS to pick my new 1911. One advantage to having a CCW permit !
Post by: raudi on August 05, 2023, 07:52:25 PM
Post by: Cain57 on August 05, 2023, 09:29:19 PM
I had my CCW since July .
I went and purchased a new Springfield 1911 on August 2nd.
August 3rd, went to HPD today to process PTA, waited 20 mins to receive PTA paperwork.
Went back to LGS to pick my new 1911. One advantage to having a CCW permit !
Yeah if you have a permit to carry take advantage of the perk of not waiting the 14 days now because they will be changing that rule soon enough
Post by: dafrtknocker on August 06, 2023, 08:37:12 AM
Post by: Fia on August 06, 2023, 11:38:59 PM
Post by: stangzilla on August 07, 2023, 11:15:18 AM
I had my CCW since July .
I went and purchased a new Springfield 1911 on August 2nd.
August 3rd, went to HPD today to process PTA, waited 20 mins to receive PTA paperwork.
Went back to LGS to pick my new 1911. One advantage to having a CCW permit !
nice!
I forgot about that part. makes me want to buy another handgun. but too bad I'm broke :'(
Post by: Sixdirty6 on August 07, 2023, 11:40:16 AM
Post by: stangzilla on August 07, 2023, 12:30:55 PM
I plan on submitting my application this week, quick question: what was the EXACT amount I need to pay for the application again?Thanks in advance!
only when you pick up your CCW permit it costs $10 per firearm that you are approved for
Post by: haynchild on August 08, 2023, 07:22:07 PM
Post by: mill8316 on August 08, 2023, 09:04:19 PM
166 days and counting, anyone else waiting longer than me so far?
I just saw one of the guys who did the same ccw class as me the other day. we did a class around mid December. He applied before Christmas and is still waiting.
Post by: Heavies on August 08, 2023, 09:43:28 PM
Post by: haynchild on August 08, 2023, 11:17:28 PM
I just saw one of the guys who did the same ccw class as me the other day. we did a class around mid December. He applied before Christmas and is still waiting.
Post by: hyperstang00 on August 14, 2023, 01:43:24 PM
Post by: nalo_b on August 14, 2023, 08:02:58 PM
Post by: ainokea8o8 on August 14, 2023, 09:28:13 PM
Post by: stangzilla on August 15, 2023, 12:47:43 AM
Just got my certified letter today. 134 days since i turned it in. Gonna pick it up tomorrow..cheeee
Cheee! 🤙🤙
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 15, 2023, 10:10:58 AM
Post by: Fia on August 18, 2023, 02:23:18 AM
Post by: jcboy38 on August 18, 2023, 08:20:15 AM
Submitted in March. Just got my approval letter today. :thumbsup:Is the Firearms dept open today per admissions day?
Post by: Motorman on August 18, 2023, 09:44:22 AM
Is the Firearms dept open today per admissions day?
No; the firearms division is closed for the state holiday.
Post by: Kai223 on August 18, 2023, 02:23:49 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 18, 2023, 05:00:44 PM
I would have assumed this thread was going to get blown up with people suddenly getting their permits since the chief said he was going to clear the backlog by the end of the month. Although even a 14 day arbitrary wait period is not even necessary, to pump through 1000apps in a month seems pretty unrealisticWelcome to the lies of HPD.
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Post by: QUIETShooter on August 19, 2023, 07:44:09 AM
Tell the people what they want to hear. :wave:
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 19, 2023, 06:58:35 PM
HPD is becoming like a politician."Becoming"?
Tell the people what they want to hear. :wave:
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Post by: QUIETShooter on August 19, 2023, 07:09:13 PM
"Becoming"?
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Yeah. Before, they used to enforce the law.
Now they got "promoted". They are the law. Just like our banana republik politicians.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 19, 2023, 09:52:03 PM
Yeah. Before, they used to enforce the law.
Now they got "promoted". They are the law. Just like our banana republik politicians.
(https://i.imgur.com/lQLdaV4.jpg)
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 20, 2023, 09:17:33 AM
Yeah. Before, they used to enforce the law.Thats the problem, they enforce the law (unconstitutional ones).
Now they got "promoted". They are the law. Just like our banana republik politicians.
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 20, 2023, 10:03:28 AM
Thats the problem, they enforce the law (unconstitutional ones).
If by "they" you mean the police, then what else can they do? Politics are what they are. if cops start deciding which laws are "just" and which are "unconstitutional," things would be worse.
Also, in order to fight the law, someone has to suffer "damages" first -- being arrested, paying bail, paying for a lawyer, sitting in jail, losing their job, ... Luckily, courts have decided that the law can cause damages if it stops law-abiding citizens from doing whatever the law makes unlawful. That has been used as the necessary damage to have standing. The problem is proving you would have done something if not for the law -- hard to prove a hypothetical that never actually happened.
How many times have we seen them use the excuse, "That law doesn't need to be changed or repealed, because it's not being enforced anyway?"
Refusing to enforce a law not only risks the cops' employment, it also delays any chance of challenging it and getting it taken off the books.
I don't think Cops should be picking and choosing what laws to enforce, but they ought to have discretion over whether or not to arrest someone if the law is questionable.
At some point, some brilliant lawmaker needs to pass a law that the members of the Legislature will be fined $50K each if they pass a law that has not been reviewed and deemed constitutional. If the governor signs it, then he's zapped for $100K. Maybe that'll prevent the "let's pass it so it'll be on the books at least until a court shoots it down" tactic we see now.
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 20, 2023, 12:36:08 PM
If by "they" you mean the police, then what else can they do? Politics are what they are. if cops start deciding which laws are "just" and which are "unconstitutional," things would be worse.And this is the problem. Look at the very extreme, holocaust. It was legal for the jews to be treated that way.
Also, in order to fight the law, someone has to suffer "damages" first -- being arrested, paying bail, paying for a lawyer, sitting in jail, losing their job, ... Luckily, courts have decided that the law can cause damages if it stops law-abiding citizens from doing whatever the law makes unlawful. That has been used as the necessary damage to have standing. The problem is proving you would have done something if not for the law -- hard to prove a hypothetical that never actually happened.
How many times have we seen them use the excuse, "That law doesn't need to be changed or repealed, because it's not being enforced anyway?"
Refusing to enforce a law not only risks the cops' employment, it also delays any chance of challenging it and getting it taken off the books.
I don't think Cops should be picking and choosing what laws to enforce, but they ought to have discretion over whether or not to arrest someone if the law is questionable.
At some point, some brilliant lawmaker needs to pass a law that the members of the Legislature will be fined $50K each if they pass a law that has not been reviewed and deemed constitutional. If the governor signs it, then he's zapped for $100K. Maybe that'll prevent the "let's pass it so it'll be on the books at least until a court shoots it down" tactic we see now.
Nazi soldier at jew registration
"Im not killing them, im just registering them as required by law"
Nazi soldiers going door to door kicking jews out of their home
"Im not killing them, just taking their home per the law".
Nazi solder loading jews into train
"Im not killing them. Just a simple placing into the cars per the law".
Nazi soldier at camp receiving the cars
"Im not killing them, just opening the cars and telling them where to go.
Nazi soldier guarding the camp
"Im not killing anyone, just making sure no one can leave"
Nazi soldier escorting jews to the chambers
"Im not the one pushing the button"
Guy pushing the button
"Im just obeying the comadants orders"
Comadant
"Im just following orders and law"
Himler
"I passed laws and control the media and politicians so we can so all the above".
So lets apply this to the cops at the registration window. Or PTA window, any cop reaponding to someone not obeying the to and from law, ccw holder in a sensitive place, etc...
Sheriffs across the nation stated they wont enforce red flag laws. HPD silent. Even during testimony by the chief during the sensitive places hearing, he could say "we willl not enforce this law". He's a retired general and has a huge pension/retirement income. Im sure he doesnt need the money. So he's willingly choosing for his department to enforce.
Like u said, they obey to keep their job. This is the problem. Evil prevails when good men do nothing. "Following orders".
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Post by: changemyoil66 on August 20, 2023, 12:38:08 PM
Another refused to enforce the no gatherings proclamation during covid on multiple calls of complaints. Same cop also mentioned mag limits above.
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Post by: Kai223 on August 21, 2023, 02:03:30 PM
There’s also no shortage of criminals who carry illegally as it is so I don’t see how his stance would make any difference other than legal gun owners being harassed and potentially shot during an encounter.
A guy I went to high school with who is now in HPD said that he’d gladly light up a ccw holder if they gave him the opportunity (not knowing that I am a holder myself) I hope that’s not the general sentiment towards permit holders but I wouldn’t doubt if it was.
Post by: QUIETShooter on August 21, 2023, 02:21:00 PM
A guy I went to high school with who is now in HPD said that he’d gladly light up a ccw holder if they gave him the opportunity
I'm afraid to think what his interpretation of "gave him the opportunity" is.
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 21, 2023, 04:32:01 PM
I couldn’t find the exact article/thread but I recall the police chief telling the public to call 911 if they suspect or someone carrying a firearm. I wonder if it’s actually happened yet because there’s no shortage of Karen’s.The worst part is the department will have his back. And pull a vegas costco.
There’s also no shortage of criminals who carry illegally as it is so I don’t see how his stance would make any difference other than legal gun owners being harassed and potentially shot during an encounter.
A guy I went to high school with who is now in HPD said that he’d gladly light up a ccw holder if they gave him the opportunity (not knowing that I am a holder myself) I hope that’s not the general sentiment towards permit holders but I wouldn’t doubt if it was.
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Post by: stangzilla on August 21, 2023, 05:33:07 PM
I couldn’t find the exact article/thread but I recall the police chief telling the public to call 911 if they suspect or someone carrying a firearm. I wonder if it’s actually happened yet because there’s no shortage of Karen’s.
There’s also no shortage of criminals who carry illegally as it is so I don’t see how his stance would make any difference other than legal gun owners being harassed and potentially shot during an encounter.
A guy I went to high school with who is now in HPD said that he’d gladly light up a ccw holder if they gave him the opportunity (not knowing that I am a holder myself) I hope that’s not the general sentiment towards permit holders but I wouldn’t doubt if it was.
I asked an officer what she thought about CCW bc she brought up the subject
she said people want to carry bc they can't fight up and up
I thought to myself, so that means you and all the cops can't fight up and up either
I didn't pursue the subject any further bc her stance on it is obviously anti-CCW
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 21, 2023, 11:10:15 PM
I asked an officer what she thought about CCW bc she brought up the subject
she said people want to carry bc they can't fight up and up
I thought to myself, so that means you and all the cops can't fight up and up either
I didn't pursue the subject any further bc her stance on it is obviously anti-CCW
Anyone who says "weapons are for the weak," is speaking the truth. They just don't get it yet.
God made men, and Sam Colt made them equal.
In a civilized society, survival of the fittest is not the rule. It appears many in Hawaii still have an uncivilized outlook on who should be able to protect themselves.
Post by: Kai223 on August 22, 2023, 01:01:12 AM
I'm afraid to think what his interpretation of "gave him the opportunity" is.
I’d be interested to see one of those “audit the audit” guys come out here and make a video because I’d bet my bottom dollar that the second you do your duty to inform, they’ll draw their service weapon. If they see you recording, they might exercise some restraint before unloading on you but if there’s no camera it’s their word against yours and their body cam footage will conveniently disappear if they didn’t already turn it off for the encounter.
Post by: RSN172 on August 22, 2023, 06:39:57 AM
I asked an officer what she thought about CCW bc she brought up the subjectAt 73, I will be the first to admit I cannot fight “up and up “ with someone younger than 60 and expect to win.
she said people want to carry bc they can't fight up and up
I thought to myself, so that means you and all the cops can't fight up and up either
I didn't pursue the subject any further bc her stance on it is obviously anti-CCW
Especially now since I hurt my shoulder last September taking down an albizzia tree. On the BI, I know this tough
32 year old Hawaiian wahine that is 6’1” and 210 lbs. I like know if that wahine cop like go “up and up” with her.
Post by: QUIETShooter on August 22, 2023, 07:34:02 AM
I asked an officer what she thought about CCW bc she brought up the subject
she said people want to carry bc they can't fight up and up
I thought to myself, so that means you and all the cops can't fight up and up either
I didn't pursue the subject any further bc her stance on it is obviously anti-CCW
I couldn’t find the exact article/thread but I recall the police chief telling the public to call 911 if they suspect or someone carrying a firearm. I wonder if it’s actually happened yet because there’s no shortage of Karen’s.
There’s also no shortage of criminals who carry illegally as it is so I don’t see how his stance would make any difference other than legal gun owners being harassed and potentially shot during an encounter.
A guy I went to high school with who is now in HPD said that he'd gladly light up a ccw holder if they gave him the opportunity (not knowing that I am a holder myself) I hope that’s not the general sentiment towards permit holders but I wouldn’t doubt if it was.
In my opinion, these are reasons I believe HPD no longer employs what was once called "Honolulu's Finest". More like the BOTBB. (Bottom of the Barrel Brigade).
Post by: groveler on August 22, 2023, 11:21:52 AM
WA state is shall issue
Took twenty minutes to apply and get fingerprinted.
I've had WA state CCW before.
You Hawaiians are being abused by your government and y'all tolerate it.
I know the WA CCW license is not recognized in Hawaii( funny as to why they recognize
drivers licenses from out of state, Freaking Hypocrites!) but at least I can safely
roam the streets of Seattle or Missouri when I visit there.
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 22, 2023, 12:09:54 PM
Just applied for my WA state CCW license.Ur still being abused as the man made u give up ur prints and info.
WA state is shall issue
Took twenty minutes to apply and get fingerprinted.
I've had WA state CCW before.
You Hawaiians are being abused by your government and y'all tolerate it.
I know the WA CCW license is not recognized in Hawaii( funny as to why they recognize
drivers licenses from out of state, Freaking Hypocrites!) but at least I can safely
roam the streets of Seattle or Missouri when I visit there.
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Post by: groveler on August 22, 2023, 03:20:01 PM
Ur still being abused as the man made u give up ur prints and info.agreed but I will have a permit. and I didn't have so suck someone off to get it
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None of this BS should be required to exercise a right.
But we live with Democrats so we have to compromise.
:grrr:
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 24, 2023, 02:28:29 PM
agreed but I will have a permit. and I didn't have so suck someone off to get it
None of this BS should be required to exercise a right.
But we live with Democrats so we have to compromise.
:grrr:
And you had to bow down to master to get it. lol.
Post by: jcboy38 on August 31, 2023, 03:28:02 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 31, 2023, 04:02:03 PM
Anyone with a CCW permit tried qualing and applying with a second pistol? If so, do you get it right then and there or do we wait another 4 or more months for another CCW permit?
You need to wait all over again. So prob 3-5 months.
Post by: Rhed on September 01, 2023, 04:30:04 AM
https://youtu.be/vFH3iRa94aE?si=wsDStrc8-hvTIrdN
Post by: Heavies on September 01, 2023, 05:51:02 AM
Meanwhile
https://youtu.be/vFH3iRa94aE?si=wsDStrc8-hvTIrdN
Problem is that the plaintiff’s will be given their licenses quickly since this suit is out. Then the court will have no choice but to moot the case. Leaving no real relief for everyone else. And leaving the court costs having to be paid by the plaintiffs. They should challenge the license requirement in it self as unconstitutional. No other RIGHT requires payment and license to exercise.
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 01, 2023, 08:33:16 AM
Problem is that the plaintiff’s will be given their licenses quickly since this suit is out. Then the court will have no choice but to moot the case. Leaving no real relief for everyone else. And leaving the court costs having to be paid by the plaintiffs. They should challenge the license requirement in it self as unconstitutional. No other RIGHT requires payment and license to exercise.
Maybe they don't got as good of a atty like how HIFICO does?
This happened with Tasers (Roberts vs. Shikada (AG at the time). HI changed the law which basically made the lawsuit moot, even though it was pending for 6 years or so. Atty awarded like $300 due to it being a civil liberty suit or something.
Post by: zippz on September 01, 2023, 09:07:49 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 02, 2023, 07:07:01 PM
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Post by: haynchild on September 03, 2023, 01:07:12 AM
Post by: Eo12 on September 03, 2023, 04:11:57 PM
I think my friend holds the record, 210+ days
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That’s cute. At 257 and counting. Haha, fack. 😑
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 04, 2023, 09:50:05 AM
That’s cute. At 257 and counting. Haha, fack.Did u write a complaint?
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Post by: Eo12 on September 04, 2023, 09:52:14 AM
Did u write a complaint?
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Sure did. Gonna write a second one this week too.
Post by: QUIETShooter on September 04, 2023, 10:12:35 AM
That’s cute. At 257 and counting. Haha, fack. 😑
With no reasons as to why the hold up is so long, in my opinion they truly earned the title of "fackahs".
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 04, 2023, 10:27:42 AM
Sure did. Gonna write a second one this week too.Make sure u put ur days
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Post by: changemyoil66 on September 04, 2023, 10:34:53 AM
Wow. HPD should at the very least should offer a reason as to why there is a hold up.Would it matter?
With no reasons as to why the hold up is so long, in my opinion they truly earned the title of "fackahs".
"Short staff".
I mean it must take very long for 1 person to enter ur name, social, dob in their system. Then fax medical waiver to the right carriers. Maybe even a court connect (ekokua) type system to see any pending court cases (TRO, indictments)
Their system should be immediate response and so is any court system. Med is given up to 10 days as a no reply is an automatic approval.
So it should take 11 days for someone to get their letter mailed. Then another 2-3 days for the mail to arrive. I mean unless they are re typing all letters and its not just a fill in your name blank.
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Post by: Jbaroune on September 04, 2023, 04:56:19 PM
Anyone with a CCW permit tried qualing and applying with a second pistol? If so, do you get it right then and there or do we wait another 4 or more months for another CCW permit?
I got 2. Had to fill out a whole new application and wait another 30 days. Big Island. The second license says Concealed carry only in red letters. My first one doesn’t say concealed or open. Maybe that means I can open carry too 🤷🏼♂️, or maybe they just forgot to put concealed only. When I applied there was no option to select concealed or open.
Post by: Bud808 on September 05, 2023, 10:05:39 AM
Post by: H Golf Sport on September 05, 2023, 10:26:51 AM
That’s cute. At 257 and counting. Haha, fack. 😑
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/saf-sues-boston-police-over-gun-permit-processing-delays/
(https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/saf-sues-boston-police-over-gun-permit-processing-delays/)
Maybe HIFCO will look into something similar?
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 05, 2023, 03:17:45 PM
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/saf-sues-boston-police-over-gun-permit-processing-delays/
(https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/saf-sues-boston-police-over-gun-permit-processing-delays/)
Maybe HIFCO will look into something similar?
HI knows how to make a lawsuit moot. Unless someone is willing to donate $50K for a lawsuit, this won't be happening anytime soon.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 05, 2023, 03:36:18 PM
HI knows how to make a lawsuit moot. Unless someone is willing to donate $50K for a lawsuit, this won't be happening anytime soon.
Just posted another Civil Asset Forfeiture video where a guy fought to get his money back that was improperly seized in an airport. After spending almost twice what was taken for attorneys, the defendants realized they were about to lose the case and decided to drop it.
The judge awarded the man his money back, but decided since there was no actual verdict to indicate the DEA/DOJ was wrong, He couldn't recover his attorney fees. It cost the man over $15K to get back about $8K that was taken with no criminal charges against him, no evidence the money was related to a crime at anytime in the past, present or future, and without consideration for the hardships they put him through by wrongfully confiscating his cash.
So, quite often the government does things they know are wrong (pass bad gun laws), then dare you to sue them. Once you call their bluff and sue, they drag the case out forever to cause you to spend thousands on lawyers. Then they drop the case to avoid paying those legal fees.
Total scam perpetrated by the government we pay for.
Post by: Heavies on September 05, 2023, 05:59:58 PM
Did u write a complaint?
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If you file a complaint to the police commission, they will want you to name a specific officer. I initially wrote an email, they directed me to the written form which needs to be notarized. Since I did not know an exact person that would need to be “responsible” for the errors that was holding up my application, I contemplated naming the chief of police. However, shortly after writing the complaint email (ccd the entire city council and governor) my approval letter was received.
They are playing games with our right IMO.
I don’t really blame the officers themselves, I know it’s the top and the politicreatures that are behind this.
In some ways that are worse than criminals. They have unlimited funding and time to f*ck with us.
Legal organized criminals, the lot of them.
Post by: kkt on September 11, 2023, 03:17:41 PM
1. Received certified letters from C&C Honolulu after ~150 days. Since signature was required and no one to receive, a trip to the post office was necessary.
2. Received 1 letter for each handgun qualified on (e.g., 2 handguns = 2 letters = $20).
3. Went to the Registration Room at HPD.
4. Provided letters, ID, cash and immediately took a seat outside the room.
5. ~30 minutes later, name was called and letters, ID, LTCs, and cash receipt were returned.
6. LTC observations:
a. Received 1 plastic LTC for each handgun.
b. LTC expiration date is 1-year from the pickup date at HPD.
c. Included on LTC are photo, height, hair, weight, eyes but it states, "This card is not to be used as a valid government issued photo identification card".
Post by: haynchild on September 15, 2023, 12:59:09 AM
Post by: QUIETShooter on September 15, 2023, 06:54:31 AM
Finally got my letter in the mail after 203 days :grrr:. Unfortunately I have to pick it up at the post office since I was not home to sign for the letters >:(. I can finally walk on the sidewalk :geekdanc:
Lots of admiration, respect, and empathy for you and all the other CCW applicants that had to jump through so many hoops to exercise your rights under the 2nd amendment.
I'm also extremely angry and disappointed (but not surprised) as to how the state of hawaii continues to violate 2a rights by implementing these ridiculous and unconstitutional restrictions to CCW carry.
At least now when you and your loved ones are out and about walking the streets the criminal element will think twice before trying anything. The streets are no longer safe for criminals wanting to do their cowardly deeds.
Post by: RSN172 on September 15, 2023, 08:56:54 AM
Post by: QUIETShooter on September 15, 2023, 09:02:30 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 15, 2023, 09:33:31 AM
One year is way too short a time to have to go through all this bullshit. If you have to wait till your license expires before you can apply again, it will be 1 year can carry, 4 to 6 months no can carry while permit is being processed.
On 1/1/24, all CCW's would be valid for 4 years.
But the question is those who have it now and it's expiring, you are allowed to apply up to 60 days prior to the expiration. So the 1st group who got their CCW's is coming up soon. Lets see how HPD will handle. I'll bet they will delay and all renewals under the current rules/law will be void, like how everyone had to redo their stuff who applied just after the Buren ruling.
Post by: Kai223 on September 15, 2023, 11:25:55 PM
Post by: xer 21 on September 17, 2023, 07:17:06 PM
I couldn’t find the exact article/thread but I recall the police chief telling the public to call 911 if they suspect or someone carrying a firearm. I wonder if it’s actually happened yet because there’s no shortage of Karen’s.Love when cops openly admit to their desire to kill someone over personal biases.
There’s also no shortage of criminals who carry illegally as it is so I don’t see how his stance would make any difference other than legal gun owners being harassed and potentially shot during an encounter.
A guy I went to high school with who is now in HPD said that he’d gladly light up a ccw holder if they gave him the opportunity (not knowing that I am a holder myself) I hope that’s not the general sentiment towards permit holders but I wouldn’t doubt if it was.
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