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General Topics => Political Discussion => Topic started by: Flapp_Jackson on May 04, 2023, 04:05:38 PM
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A Marine who tried to subdue an out-of-control homeless man, Jordan Neely, on a NYC subway train remains free after Neely died from a chock hold. Neely was erratic and aggressive toward passengers. He had been arrested 42 times including for hitting a 67-year-old woman in the face.
AOC is publicly calling this accident "murder", helping to fuel anticipated rioting, even though the video evidence shows the Marine was trying to subdue him -- not kill him. Two other passengers tried to help subdue Neely who was having some sort of mental health episode.
https://youtu.be/6RAlYNpBUGk
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No such thing as a "former Marine"
I was not a marine.
Once you are a marine you are a marine for life.
I was USAF staff sergeant
I never lost that rank.
I'm still USAF.
No different than Eisenhower was no
longer Army when the war
ended.
Much of my family and extended family was Navy.
Civilians don't get it.
By law we are still callable anytime.
and we will show up.
:thumbsup:
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So, where were the government-paid law enforcers -- the ones sworn to protect the public from habitual violent offenders like Neely? Putting a fresh coat of paint on the BLM street murals?
Also, where were these enforcers when Neely was being "murdered"? If he was the victim, then why was he not protected from the big, bad Marine?
This is not about the police killing unarmed blacks, and it's not about a White man killing a Black man.
It's about governments like that of NY and HI telling us we don't need to defend ourselves. Trust the government to defend us. When they don't protect the victims, they then get people like AOC to stir up the mob against the actual victim, to draw attention from the real problems.
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Jean is back. Entertainment begins.
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9/11 happened in NYC. A guy enters the subway and yells along the line of: he gonna die and hes taking everyone with him.
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So I see that your solution to the homeless problem is murder. Is that correct?
I think I see a trend:
Solution to immigration in AZ: Shoot them
People that accidently drive in the wrong driveway: Shoot them
People that knock on the wrong door: Shoot them
Homeless: Choke them until they are dead
i see a trend, too.
Your posts have yet to be lucid nor contributing to the forum in any positive way.
Keep up the bad work! :thumbsup:
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So I see that your solution to the homeless problem is murder. Is that correct?
I think I see a trend:
Solution to immigration in AZ: Shoot them
People that accidently drive in the wrong driveway: Shoot them
People that knock on the wrong door: Shoot them
Homeless: Choke them until they are dead
There is no trend as far as this particular incident. The marine was trying to subdue him. Also the marine was not trying to solve the homeless problem. He was trying to subdue a mentally deranged individual that exhibited violent behavior. It could have been anyone.
If the marine wanted to kill the man, believe me it wouldn't be by a choke hold. :rofl:
Thank God there are people willing to step in and intervene when people like Neely try to harm others. If we are to listen to idiots like AOC and just stand by wringing our hands while waiting for law enforcement to arrive, then we have given up being compassionate humans, something I cannot help but think is what AOC and people like her wants us to be: mindless, controllable sheeple.
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Yeah. We are the cash cow and we are getting screwed every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
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So I see that your solution to the homeless problem is murder. Is that correct?
I think I see a trend:
Solution to immigration in AZ: Shoot them
People that accidently drive in the wrong driveway: Shoot them
People that knock on the wrong door: Shoot them
Homeless: Choke them until they are dead
Who said that besides you?
Also, who, besides AOC, you, and other Libtards actually believe this was premeditated murder?
Homicide and murder are not the same crime.
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Who said that besides you?
Also, who, besides AOC, you, and other Libtards actually believe this was premeditated murder?
Homicide and murder are not the same crime.
Xhe sees, thinks, and imagines things that aren't there.
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Xhe sees, thinks, and imagines things that aren't there.
No need for political correctness or politeness. I will call it as I see it. Xhe is one stupid M-F.
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No need for political correctness or politeness. I will call it as I see it. Xhe is one stupid M-F.
Xhe is a liberal troll. Only hangs out in the political forum. Must love the attention it brings.
Gotta admit I'm guilty of feeding the troll.
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Xhe is a liberal troll. Only hangs out in the political forum. Must love the attention it brings.
Gotta admit I'm guilty of feeding the troll.
Nah, more like boredom and likes to feel smart, but isnt. Deep down, xhe is aware of this, but in denial.
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So I see that your solution to the homeless problem is murder. Is that correct?
I think I see a trend:
Solution to immigration in AZ: Shoot them
People that accidently drive in the wrong driveway: Shoot them
People that knock on the wrong door: Shoot them
Homeless: Choke them until they are dead
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complete troll post
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Look how much posts in reaction to that post.
Thread sidetracked.
Troll is successful again. JMO
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So I see that your solution to the homeless problem is murder. Is that correct?
I think I see a trend:
I think i see a trend, Be a victim.
At least you can rest assured that some innocent business will be destroyed in the riot over your death.
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Look how much posts in reaction to that post.
Thread sidetracked.
Troll is successful again. JMO
I can’t understand why people can’t ignore…. Troll feeds off of the attention. Like a stray cat, if you don’t feed it, it’ll go elsewhere.
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Next thread the troll posts should have exactly ZERO replies. Every reply the troll posts should have ZERO retort.
It’s obvious the person does not want any intelligent nor honest debate on any issue. Life is short, don’t waste your time on useless nonsense.
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I can’t understand why people can’t ignore…. Troll feeds off of the attention. Like a stray cat, if you don’t feed it, it’ll go elsewhere.
If only...
I can't understand why obvious Trolls doing nothing but disrupting the forum and trying to get people to react to outrageous comments are allowed to remain as users.
I don't see this as censoring opposing opinions. If the Troll would/could have an honest debate instead of trying to accuse members of endorsing murder or defending lawlessness, that would be great. Instead, it's mostly drive-by polluting.
JMHO & I am not alone.
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Macsak replied to my assertion that the site owners shared the millennial's leftist ideology:
Quote from: robtmc on April 18, 2023, 05:58:34 PM
Weird millennial chick just like omnihomo is just here to spread hate.
Then run back to it's facef*ck or instafag support group to tell of the nerve-wracking experience.
The 2A site owners are weird that they allow this strange creature to disrupt, but maybe they share it's agenda?
maybe?
isn't it obvious?
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Macsak replied to my assertion that the site owners shared the millennial's leftist ideology:
Quote from: robtmc on April 18, 2023, 05:58:34 PM
Weird millennial chick just like omnihomo is just here to spread hate.
Then run back to it's facef*ck or instafag support group to tell of the nerve-wracking experience.
The 2A site owners are weird that they allow this strange creature to disrupt, but maybe they share it's agenda?
maybe?
isn't it obvious?
Free speech allows exchange of ideas openly, even if ideas might be unpopular or offensive to others. Just because it’s allowed doesn’t mean we agree.
It also doesn’t mean you should engage or debate, especially when the person doesn’t really want or intend to have an honest conversation.
If you believe in 2A, you must also believe in the rest of the document in its entirety, if we all want to call ourselves Constitutional Conservatives. Other wise you’d be engaging in some hypocrisy. Don’t you think.
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Point.
But if someone keeps running up behind you and jabbing you with a stick and then running away.......
Maybe get the millennial to tell what website it hangs out in so 2AHawaii posters can go do drive-bys there.
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sarcasm is hard...
Macsak replied to my assertion that the site owners shared the millennial's leftist ideology:
Quote from: robtmc on April 18, 2023, 05:58:34 PM
Weird millennial chick just like omnihomo is just here to spread hate.
Then run back to it's facef*ck or instafag support group to tell of the nerve-wracking experience.
The 2A site owners are weird that they allow this strange creature to disrupt, but maybe they share it's agenda?
maybe?
isn't it obvious?
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Point.
But if someone keeps running up behind you and jabbing you with a stick and then running away.......
Maybe get the millennial to tell what website it hangs out in so 2AHawaii posters can go do drive-bys there.
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I was just about to say the same thing.
I've been ignoring the jabs for a long time now.
But I could only tolerate so many jabs.
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please show me where anyone is jabbing you with a stick...
Point.
But if someone keeps running up behind you and jabbing you with a stick and then running away.......
Maybe get the millennial to tell what website it hangs out in so 2AHawaii posters can go do drive-bys there.
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Next thread the troll posts should have exactly ZERO replies. Every reply the troll posts should have ZERO retort.
It’s obvious the person does not want any intelligent nor honest debate on any issue. Life is short, don’t waste your time on useless nonsense.
One of the moderators respond with “cool story, bro.”
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One of the moderators respond with “cool story, bro.”
#Leadership
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It offends me. Ban It ! (Or him, her, xhe etc)
Sounds similar to a ton of shi+ on both sides of the aisle.
Maybe the Mods should post a disclaimer that non-response is not an indication of support or affirmation of opinion. (Sarc)
And don’t jump on the Mods.. They’re OG ( original)
And why we can be here.
Sight used to bring the community together…under these Mods.
Edit: and Funtimes. ( Shout Out)
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i'm answering for everyone so they don't have to...
One of the moderators respond with “cool story, bro.”
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i'm answering for everyone so they don't have to...
Cool story, bro.
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cool story, bro...
Cool story, bro.
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:stopjack:
Looks like the rioting has started.
:popcorn:
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USA survival skill number one:
Stay away from liberal controlled urban zones.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uSMhg6udxn4&pp=ygUdU2NvdHQgYWRhbXMgZ2V0IHRoZSBmdWNrIGF3YXk%3D
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cool story, bro...
Cool story, bro.... (4 periods)
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USA survival skill number one:
Stay away from liberal controlled urban zones.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uSMhg6udxn4&pp=ygUdU2NvdHQgYWRhbXMgZ2V0IHRoZSBmdWNrIGF3YXk%3D
I think your advice holds more water than that of the video guy. He said stay away from Black people -- didn't specify if that is meant only for non-Blacks, but i assume he meant even if you're Black.
What i think matters is the numbers and living conditions where Blacks are a significant portion of the local population. That does tend to be in urban areas near cities. There are plenty of studies and documentaries detailing why urban areas are mostly populated by Blacks and other minorities.
Give individuals the benefit of the doubt, but don't make that mistake around groups in "the 'hood" wearing the same bandana. :shake:
I wish there was a practice of posting the local crime rates where you see city or county line signs (i.e. Welcome to the City of Chicago; Crime Rate is up 30% this Year at 150 Violent Crimes per 10K Residents).
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I think your advice holds more water than that of the video guy. He said stay away from Black people -- didn't specify if that is meant only for non-Blacks, but i assume he meant even if you're Black.
What i think matters is the numbers and living conditions where Blacks are a significant portion of the local population. That does tend to be in urban areas near cities. There are plenty of studies and documentaries detailing why urban areas are mostly populated by Blacks and other minorities.
Give individuals the benefit of the doubt, but don't make that mistake around groups in "the 'hood" wearing the same bandana. :shake:
I wish there was a practice of posting the local crime rates where you see city or county line signs (i.e. Welcome to the City of Chicago; Crime Rate is up 30% this Year at 150 Violent Crimes per 10K Residents).
Honolulu is increasingly unsafe as well, and we don’t have a significant black population. They keep letting all the criminals out and going after regular citizens who want to defend themselves.
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Honolulu is increasingly unsafe as well, and we don’t have a significant black population. They keep letting all the criminals out and going after regular citizens who want to defend themselves.
Two things: Democrat-ruled state & areas of very high population density.
Economic factors can't be ignored either, in a state where just housing costs alone exceed what many individuals make.
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USA survival skill number one:
Stay away from liberal controlled urban zones.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uSMhg6udxn4&pp=ygUdU2NvdHQgYWRhbXMgZ2V0IHRoZSBmdWNrIGF3YXk%3D
Agree with the video guy 100%
I have residences in Rural WA state and Rural BI. They are about as far away
from places where riots will occur as you can get and still have decent weather.
I was very close to the LA Watts riots and I used to live across the river from Compton CA.
I learned 50 years ago about living near blacks in large concentrations, DON"T.
It is not so much racial as it is cultural.
A significant part of my race, white, despises me. and I despise them.
Culture differences.
:popcorn:
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I visited Seattle once and went to the usual tourist places (space needle, pikes place). I saw a bunch of cops on bikes all over and I asked why there were so many.
Turned out that it was the 1-year anniversary of the BLM riots at that time so I told my group to finish what we needed to do and get out of there before dark. Majority of the people I saw who were wearing BLM clothing there were not blacks but caucasians.
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I'm still struggling to see how people can get all riled up about this incident which in a way personifies what is happening all over the country.
It is indeed unfortunate that this individual died. But his actions were threatening to innocents around him, and he had a history of violent and physical assaults.
Why is it that if individuals like this Neely, if he were to harm or kill someone, LE, justice system, and people would hem and haw and say prayers for the victims and family and then more often than not, this individual is out on the streets again with a slap on the wrist.
But if this "victim" would have died from efforts to subdue him, like in this case, all of a sudden people are up in arms about justice and rights and their momma will go on the news saying he or she or it was a "good boy" and just "misunderstood".
This incident was not a case of racial inequality, or BLM, or the homeless problem. It was just a plain and simple violent individual who thought his shit smelled better than anyone else. An inconsiderate, selfish, POS who needed to be put in his or it's place.
But people are quick to be up in arms to use race, homeless, or BLM. These people, like that man Neely, are full of shiite and are just using the incident to further their agenda.
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Free speech allows exchange of ideas openly, even if ideas might be unpopular or offensive to others. Just because it’s allowed doesn’t mean we agree.
It also doesn’t mean you should engage or debate, especially when the person doesn’t really want or intend to have an honest conversation.
If you believe in 2A, you must also believe in the rest of the document in its entirety, if we all want to call ourselves Constitutional Conservatives. Other wise you’d be engaging in some hypocrisy. Don’t you think.
I respectfully disagree.
Free speech is so the government cannot censor you. What we have seen with FB, IG, Twitter is a corporation censoring, which is usually their call. But when the government steps in and tells/suggest to censor, we come back to the root problem of the government doing it. If the government is not involved and 1 doesn't like how censoring is being done, then they can choose to leave.
This forum is a private entity and not a government one, so you can censor as you please. Here's an example, with EEF, has often has thoughts that go against the common thought on this forum. But what makes him different and IMO respectable is he often backs up his thought process. It may not be 100% correct, but at least he tries to show. Even though he's not on here daily, when he does return, he does this. Compare this to a hit and run type tactic. EEF post things that can be open for discussion. This goes both ways as well, other members including myself may have 1 train of thought and post evidence when questioned why. Then a discussion takes place for both sides. We may not agree in the end, but a civil discussion does take place.
Now lets take this to another example where wrong info has been posted over and over and over again, even though they were shown why. 1+1=2 but yet 1 member states it equals 19. There is a point where many discussions now turn not into a discussion, but either trolling or lack of logic. Especially if it can be proven. Certain topics cannot be proven or disprove, so those are fine. These other discussions go in circles and are a waist of time after a certain point. But what the initial benefit is of these discussion is to show both sides of the discussion. Example is when I posted that I'm for abortion and the why. I then posted that this is my own ethics/morals/feelings and the thread didn't go on for 10 additional pages of someone trying to change my mind. They may post their ethics/values/morals/feelings. This is a topic where there is no mathematical or logical answer, unless I made a statement that wasn't accurate and my opinion was largely based on this inaccurate statement. Then we refer back to having a discussion.
Now lets take most recent examples of hit and run. Free speech is claimed. So if a someone post 20 pages of random garbage, would you not ban that person? How about 8 post back to back of things that are not true. Where do you draw the line? Initially, they're given a chance to defend any statements made. But again, after a certain point, it's obvious that they're only here to disrupt.
Now say members take your advice and ignore. Any new visitor to the forum will see massive back to back post of things that often go against the 2A thought process or are logically not accurate. And think this is what the forum represents. What do you think their initial thoughts will be? It's going to be to not return here. This is 1 less HI 2A member. At first, I thought ignore is a good action, but it's good that Flap debunks almost all threads/postings made that are not accurate and the why they are not accurate. So if anyone does bother to read the thread, they will see that after a while someone is almost always wrong. But this will take time to realize.
This is just my $0.02 and you guys can run this forum as you please. But we have seen knowledgeable members leave after repeated lack of logical discussion and I know a few other newer ones who didn't return due to these events.
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It's also very bad when 1 person makes statements for another that are not true. Like "so you agree that X is Y." with no question mark, as in it's not asking if they agree, but stated an imaginary response that they agree.
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I'm still struggling to see how people can get all riled up about this incident which in a way personifies what is happening all over the country.
Many don't know how to think for themselves and use logic. Feelings is a strong motivator. Control the flow of info and you control the people. Dictators use this tactic.
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New video released showing the Marine, Danny Penny (or Perry? both names were in one article), placed the assailant in a "recovery position" when he was unconscious and attempted to revive him. As other passengers exited the train, they cheered and applauded him.
This was not a case of a single individual making a bad judgement call. it's a case of an unfortunate outcome while taking action to prevent harm to the assailant and those he was threatening.
AOC HUMILIATED After New Video DEBUNKS Democrats,
Proves Daniel Penny Tried To SAVE Jordan Neely
https://youtu.be/WBO_80jaLXM
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the "victim" was on the top 50 list of people in new york that needed psych treatment
and had assaulted multiple people...
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the "victim" was on the top 50 list of people in new york that needed psych treatment
and had assaulted multiple people...
OP; "He had been arrested 42 times including for hitting a 67-year-old woman in the face."
How many arrests and how many acts of violence are needed before the person is able to be taken off the streets for treatment?
The "old" standard for commitment to a mental health facility was "can they take care of themselves?"
Now, it seems the standard is "Leave them to fend for themselves until after they commit multiple violent felonies."
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Daniel Penny, the Subway Samaritan, was charged with second-degree manslaughter. If convicted, he could get 15-20 years in prison, depending on which "news" report you believe.
The day he was charged, his legal defense fund increased half a million dollars. So far, the fund has raised over $2M.
Any excess funds raised that do not go for his defense will be donated to a mental health treatment charity or hospital.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Daniel Penny, the Subway Samaritan, was charged with second-degree manslaughter. If convicted, he could get 15-20 years in prison, depending on which "news" report you believe.
The day he was charged, his legal defense fund increased half a million dollars. So far, the fund has raised over $2M.
Any excess funds raised that do not go for his defense will be donated to a mental health treatment charity or hospital.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
People donating to his defense fund are seeing through the BS spewed by AOC and many others like her.
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The final defense for women and the weak are gone.
Defund the cops
Release career criminals
Only thing left was mens chilvary
Now NY will prosecute it.
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Daniel penny's legal defense fundraiser is nearing $3M. It's over $2.7M at the moment.
Liberals now want EVERYONE ON THAT TRAIN CHARGED because they didn't stop Penny from "killing" Jordan Neely.
So, they want Penny put in prison for intervening in Neely threatening people on the train, but they also want everyone else punished for .... not intervening?
:wacko:
https://www.givesendgo.com/daniel_penny
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Floyd 2.0. He had a nice casket and race baiter of the century Al sharp was there.
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Floyd 2.0. He had a nice casket and race baiter of the century Al sharp was there.
Neely's family has raised over $100K. I'm pretty sure the funeral expenses are not going to be close to that -- even with a catered wake and open bar! I'm sure someone will be riding to the memorial service in a new Caddy.
O0 :wtf:
People can donate to the people they want to if it's with their own money. The disparate amounts raised between the two "sides" kind of shows where public support lies.
If only the family had raised $100K to pay for mental health and rehab services for Neely -- who was on the city's list of top 50 mental health cases needing attention -- ...
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In my opinion it seems this Neely guy was only useful to his family dead.
I wonder, when he was alive was there "support" and "love" from his family?
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In my opinion it seems this Neely guy was only useful to his family dead.
I wonder, when he was alive was there "support" and "love" from his family?
If there was any love and support, he would have been someplace else being looked after (committed?) instead of out where he could continue being a threat to himself and others, as he'd proven more than once to be.
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In my opinion it seems this Neely guy was only useful to his family dead.
I wonder, when he was alive was there "support" and "love" from his family?
Yup, they gonna get money now.
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If there was any love and support, he would have been someplace else being looked after (committed?) instead of out where he could continue being a threat to himself and others, as he'd proven more than once to be.
If we could avoid places like "one flew over the cuckoo's nest"
I'd be all for commitment. I'd be more than willing to take a percentage
of our existing Police dollars and direct them to "hospitals" for the mentally ill.
Freedom is not free and we have to pay a price for it.
In our present world "shall issue" CCW makes more sense than ever.
Hawaii citizens have never demonstrated any common sense, so
I would not hold my breath.
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If we could avoid places like "one flew over the cuckoo's nest"
I'd be all for commitment. I'd be more than willing to take a percentage
of our existing Police dollars and direct them to "hospitals" for the mentally ill.
Freedom is not free and we have to pay a price for it.
In our present world "shall issue" CCW makes more sense than ever.
Hawaii citizens have never demonstrated any common sense, so
I would not hold my breath.
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We spend tons of money used to support jails and prisons, police, courts, homeless shelters, clinics and all the services they employee.
Take part of that and pepper in some dedicated medical professionals and insurance/VA/Medicare/Medicaid payments for treatment, and you have the funds to take some of the mentally ill out of the prisons and courts in order to actually treat them. maybe some will actually be able to live a normal life, hold a job and be self-supporting if/when the treatment works.
The system is lazy. instead of trying to solve the problems, they prefer to keep cleaning up the messes resulting from mentally ill living and causing havoc on the streets.
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We spend tons of money used to support jails and prisons, police, courts, homeless shelters, clinics and all the services they employee.
Take part of that and pepper in some dedicated medical professionals and insurance/VA/Medicare/Medicaid payments for treatment, and you have the funds to take some of the mentally ill out of the prisons and courts in order to actually treat them. maybe some will actually be able to live a normal life, hold a job and be self-supporting if/when the treatment works.
The system is lazy. instead of trying to solve the problems, they prefer to keep cleaning up the messes resulting from mentally ill living and causing havoc on the streets.
With MDA/ET and like put their $ toward mental health services instead of what they spend it on now.
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With MDA/ET and like put their $ toward mental health services instead of what they spend it on now.
I believe there are many ways the money can be found.
Some nursing homes care for residents 24/7, and Medicare/Medicaid covers most of that. If the individual had property & savings, those assets have to be used down to about $2000 before Medicare kicks in. Of course, the resident still gets social security income and maybe other retirement income, so that $2000 can be spent on personal expenses, birthday gifts, and so on with those income sources replenishing it.
Someone with a family that can chip in or enough cash, insurance and retirement income can afford a better quality of life for the resident rather than being kept in a state run institution.
There's a misconception that all resident mental health options look like Arkham Asylum, when in fact there are private hospitals for treating psychological problems if the patient and/or their family can help pay.