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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: ren on June 04, 2023, 02:02:51 PM
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What ever happened to just say no?! Instead we have mandated Narcan in clubs. Let's ban illicit narcotics....
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2023/06/04/multiple-victims-possible-drug-overdose-waikiki/ (https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2023/06/04/multiple-victims-possible-drug-overdose-waikiki/)
https://www.khon2.com/local-news/1-dead-4-hospitalized-after-waikiki-hotel-incident/ (https://www.khon2.com/local-news/1-dead-4-hospitalized-after-waikiki-hotel-incident/)
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Darwin is my hero
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related?
https://www.kitv.com/news/local/driver-damages-other-cars-and-homes-after-speeding-through-kapahulu/article_9b126512-034c-11ee-943e-371bd81f28ea.html (https://www.kitv.com/news/local/driver-damages-other-cars-and-homes-after-speeding-through-kapahulu/article_9b126512-034c-11ee-943e-371bd81f28ea.html)
The driver dropped a bag filled with an unknown substance and witnesses on the scene believe he was under the influence.
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Plenty stupid going around nowadays, huh?
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What? Are illegal drugs no longer safe? :shake:
#Consequences
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So C&C rep Santos Tam, who introduced Bill 57, also introduced a bill lthat would require bars/clubs to carry Narcan.
I'm sure he will add hotels to this list. This guy loves to enable criminal behavior. 1st with sensitve places by keeping criminals safe from their victims shooting them in self defense, and now drug usage.
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Stupid choices has consequences. Like when you die from your decision. Oh well. Buh Bye. :wave:
What bothers me is when their stupid choices affects innocent people.
That pisses me off.
So yeah. Go off in the corner and go kill yourself or whatever. Just don't bother me or anybody else. :wave:
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Stupid choices has consequences. Like when you die from your decision. Oh well. Buh Bye. :wave:
What bothers me is when their stupid choices affects innocent people.
That pisses me off.
So yeah. Go off in the corner and go kill yourself or whatever. Just don't bother me or anybody else. :wave:
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exactly
1-Us taxpayers have to foot the bill for emergency response and ...
2- since there is a shortage of emergency response facilities, it delays legitimate emergency calls.
HNN story from last week...
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/video/2023/06/02/with-ers-oahu-packed-ambulances-are-stacking-up-outside-rather-than-responding-911-calls/
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One has to ask themselves why are these lawmakers enabling criminal behavior?
There is no money in "Just say NO!" But there are lots of money in Narcan and substance abuse counselors (Sand Island Treatment Center) https://sandisland.org/ (https://sandisland.org/).
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One has to ask themselves why are these lawmakers enabling criminal behavior?
There is no money in "Just say NO!" But there are lots of money in Narcan and substance abuse counselors (Sand Island Treatment Center) https://sandisland.org/ (https://sandisland.org/).
The war on drugs has not delivered the results promised nor expected. If anything, it's made a lot of crooked cops super wealthy and prisons overcrowded. The amount of money criminal gangs make gives them power over the police and courts. From bribery to affording high-priced, experienced lawyers, they don't often see the inside of a cell.
As for NARCAN, the liberals and do-gooders who want to help the users crushed by the drug trade make a lot of noise when the annual budget comes up. It's easy to do a cost-benefit breakdown of an OD and show that a single dose in the field can prevent tens of thousands in hospital costs for ER services and extended stays for recovery. Plus, if the person is okay, they can be released in a day, which lets the hospital avoid dealing with the patient's withdrawals.
Many of the people who work to distribute NARCAN packets are former addicts or family members/friends of addicts who've ODed/died. So, if the former addicts are now leading productive lives triggered by an OD that should have killed them, then the case can be made that those people were worth saving. They recognize the gravity of their actions now and chose to get clean.
I seriously doubt many addicts are avoiding quitting just because there's a safety net called NARCAN. I guess it's like someone who almost commits suicide. Only after they survive do they decide living is better -- but dying removes that choice. They have to survive to learn the lesson. Some people don't believe an OD will happen to themselves until it does.
There have been a lot of famous people who died from drug overdoses, and not all of them from illegal drugs. Heath Ledger, Philip Seymour Hoffman and John Belushi might have been around much longer if they'd been able to administer NARCAN. No way to know for sure, but obviously not having it cut otherwise productive lives short.
Not all addicts are homeless dregs draining society of valuable resources. Nor are they all 100% to blame, given the prescription opioid crisis in the US. Even Rush Limbaugh fell into that trap.
‘I yelled, “I’m putting this up your nose”’:
what it’s like to use Narcan
30 May 2023
Over 100,000 Americans died of drug overdoses last year. Advocates say a vast
number of them might still be alive if they’d had access to naloxone. Brandon Kilmer,
a 24-year-old from Minneapolis, lost his brother to a fentanyl overdose in 2022. Now,
he distributes a pack of Narcan to everyone he meets. “I don’t care if you’re a
17-year-old kid or an 80-year-old grandmother,” he said. “I want you to have it.”
Naloxone, better known by the brand name Narcan, reverses overdoses by binding
to the opioid receptors in the brain, blocking the effects of drugs such as fentanyl or
heroin. Harm reduction workers say it should be as ubiquitous in Americans’ homes
as dental floss or hand sanitizer, but not enough people have access to it.
The FDA recently approved selling naloxone over the counter. By late summer, it
could be on shelves at convenience stores, supermarkets, and other retailers that
do not have a pharmacy.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/30/what-is-narcan-naloxone-overdose
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The war on drugs is a scam. If the US really wanted to, they could land troops at the cartels HQ in Mexico and eliminate them. This would greatly reduce the flow into the US. We invaded Iraq for much less. So it can be done. Same goes with known drug houses and corners. Of course, this would push some underground, but then the plan of attack will change.
I feel no pitty on someone who knowingly ingest illegal drugs. What I do have pitty for are the innocents that can be affected. Like a cop who reaches into someones pocket then OD's or a 5 year old who finds it on the dining room table and ingest it. But on the other side, those who caused this to happen, should be charged with negligent homicide or something since they are in possession of an illegal drug.
I'm glad there are people who changed their lives after using narcan as it was their wake up call. But I'm going to assume that there are many more who don't. The statement that not all are homeless, just give it time. It's like seeing the fat crackhead. She's still in the early stages and given time, she will be skinnier. Or the crackhead who didn't resort to hooking yet. There's a IG page "tales from the streets" and some tell their story and now they are hookers, but it didn't happen right away.
There was a NatGeo about ice/meth and had a millionaire businessman who is now homeless. He even had a yacht. It didn't happen overnight, but took within 10 years. They also had a special on Kracodill, which is popular in Easthern Europe. I'm going to assume that the Mexicans know this is a bad business drug as it typically kills the user within a year.
So back to forcing bars/clubs to stock Narcan, this enables users and will cost tax dollars. They start small and will increase where has to keep it in stock. Hotels, restaurants, schools, etc...The key would be to stop the flow, not treat after someone is ODing. Just my $0.02.
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exactly
1-Us taxpayers have to foot the bill for emergency response and ...
2- since there is a shortage of emergency response facilities, it delays legitimate emergency calls.
HNN story from last week...
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/video/2023/06/02/with-ers-oahu-packed-ambulances-are-stacking-up-outside-rather-than-responding-911-calls/
I'd hate to think that someone was denied medical emergency services just because some people made bad choices by taking these illegal drugs while yukking it up at nightclubs or whatever.
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It's obviously more complicated than "let the druggies kill themselves."
As 2A advocates, we often say, "I am my own first responder," to drive home the point that a 911 response takes time -- sometimes more time than you have to live when facing a threat.
i think the same applies to any emergency -- fire, medical, etc. There are home defibrillators now being used by casinos, other businesses and private homes with elderly residents. It's there when needed before EMT or FD arrives. Many lives have been saved.
NARCAN is another on-the-spot remedy for a medical emergency. It's cheap (if not free) for most. It's easy to administer. And it saves lives similar to insulin and EPI pens. When you need it, waiting for it to arrive isn't a good option.
"Enabler" is kind of a harsh term for someone giving NARCAN to a person before or during and OD. Saving someone's life didn't enable them to become addicted or homeless. That happened long before. Then there's the partying college kid who isn't addicted or homeless and who makes a bad decision to try something new.
The only thing being "enabled" is the person's chance of living. I guess if you think all narcotic drug overdoses deserve a death sentence, then there's not much left to say.
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I'd hate to think that someone was denied medical emergency services just because some people made bad choices by taking these illegal drugs while yukking it up at nightclubs or whatever.
I was gonna bring this up, but you beat me to it...not only emergency, but other types of medical services as well...
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It's obviously more complicated than "let the druggies kill themselves."
As 2A advocates, we often say, "I am my own first responder," to drive home the point that a 911 response takes time -- sometimes more time than you have to live when facing a threat.
i think the same applies to any emergency -- fire, medical, etc. There are home defibrillators now being used by casinos, other businesses and private homes with elderly residents. It's there when needed before EMT or FD arrives. Many lives have been saved.
NARCAN is another on-the-spot remedy for a medical emergency. It's cheap (if not free) for most. It's easy to administer. And it saves lives similar to insulin and EPI pens. When you need it, waiting for it to arrive isn't a good option.
"Enabler" is kind of a harsh term for someone giving NARCAN to a person before or during and OD. Saving someone's life didn't enable them to become addicted or homeless. That happened long before. Then there's the partying college kid who isn't addicted or homeless and who makes a bad decision to try something new.
The only thing being "enabled" is the person's chance of living. I guess if you think all narcotic drug overdoses deserve a death sentence, then there's not much left to say.
I meant Tam is an enabler. Tam enables rapist, active shooters, kidnappers by disarming their victims by the sensitive places bill he introduced. Now he presented a bill that requires private businesses like a bar to keep Narcan in stock. So this isn't the 5 year old grabbing a drug off the table and accidentally ingesting it type of scenario. It would make more sense to present a bill for those who would mostly likely be innocent. Like first responders ( I don't think it's law, just policy to have Narcan on hand), schools/daycare centers, places like these. But instead he chooses a bar that is a party place that has a higher chance of drugs being present and being consumed by choice. So again, choosing to do an illegal drug is the main factor.
For places to have a defibrillator, having your heart stop isn't typically by choice or isn't done illegally. Iolani School had a story some years ago that they teach the freshman and junior classes how to use the equipment and have saved like 5 people since.
For the reply about "I am my own first responder", a drug user is free to carry the Narcan on them if they want. So are bars or any other type of business or person. The problem I have is that they would be forced to carry it and what happens if they choose not to use it or can't locate it in time? Is there an immunity clause in the bill?
In the end, we have different views on the topic and I respect your POV. Everything above is just my POV.
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I'd hate to think that someone was denied medical emergency services just because some people made bad choices by taking these illegal drugs while yukking it up at nightclubs or whatever.
i hate to think we might deny life saving medical treatment to people based on moral judgments. That's a very slippery slope.
Habitual drug use is just one example of unhealthy lifestyles people engage in. Alcohol has many known negative health effects. Do we bump alcoholics from ER services if others are waiting? Where does it begin? Where does it end?
I agree that if it's illegal, they did it to themselves. But I don't think they should be denied reasonable medical treatment. If NARCAN is cheaper and more successful than being rushed to an ER, that makes more sense to me.
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i hate to think we might deny life saving medical treatment to people based on moral judgments. That's a very slippery slope.
Habitual drug use is just one example of unhealthy lifestyles people engage in. Alcohol has many known negative health effects. Do we bump alcoholics from ER services if others are waiting? Where does it begin? Where does it end?
I agree that if it's illegal, they did it to themselves. But I don't think they should be denied reasonable medical treatment. If NARCAN is cheaper and more successful than being rushed to an ER, that makes more sense to me.
So then why stop at bars? Narcan should be required by law to be at every business in Hawaii. This bill is asking a non medical professional to under go training and to administer it for someone who by choice committed an illegal act knowing the risk involved. Why not require TQ's at every business as well and the training needed. CPR, heimlic maneuver, etc...Where does it end? The later training is typically for accidents from doing things that are not illegal. Let bars/clubs make their own choice, don't force it upon them. If they get a bunch of customers who are ODing, then they can choose to stock it. Or do better searching before letting people in.
What I see is this is the test to see how far lawmakers can push this. Then the "free" Narcan will make even more money when they make more places keep it on stock. In the end, costing tax payers money.
Everyone has different morals. If you know someone was raping a woman and that woman shot the rapist, but you had a TQ on you. Would you use it? How about on an active shooter? Rape and active shooting are illegal, like how drugs are. I mean you could be OK with saving a drug user, but not OK with saving an active shooter or rapist. That's why peoples morals can be different.
I'm not talking about ER services. If an ODing person shows up or an EMT arrives on scene, they have a duty to help the person. Same goes with an active shooter who's shot. They have a duty to treat.
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The war on drugs has not delivered the results promised nor expected. If anything, it's made a lot of crooked cops super wealthy and prisons overcrowded. The amount of money criminal gangs make gives them power over the police and courts. From bribery to affording high-priced, experienced lawyers, they don't often see the inside of a cell.
As for NARCAN, the liberals and do-gooders who want to help the users crushed by the drug trade make a lot of noise when the annual budget comes up. It's easy to do a cost-benefit breakdown of an OD and show that a single dose in the field can prevent tens of thousands in hospital costs for ER services and extended stays for recovery. Plus, if the person is okay, they can be released in a day, which lets the hospital avoid dealing with the patient's withdrawals.
Many of the people who work to distribute NARCAN packets are former addicts or family members/friends of addicts who've ODed/died. So, if the former addicts are now leading productive lives triggered by an OD that should have killed them, then the case can be made that those people were worth saving. They recognize the gravity of their actions now and chose to get clean.
I seriously doubt many addicts are avoiding quitting just because there's a safety net called NARCAN. I guess it's like someone who almost commits suicide. Only after they survive do they decide living is better -- but dying removes that choice. They have to survive to learn the lesson. Some people don't believe an OD will happen to themselves until it does.
There have been a lot of famous people who died from drug overdoses, and not all of them from illegal drugs. Heath Ledger, Philip Seymour Hoffman and John Belushi might have been around much longer if they'd been able to administer NARCAN. No way to know for sure, but obviously not having it cut otherwise productive lives short.
Not all addicts are homeless dregs draining society of valuable resources. Nor are they all 100% to blame, given the prescription opioid crisis in the US. Even Rush Limbaugh fell into that trap.
‘I yelled, “I’m putting this up your nose”’:
what it’s like to use Narcan
30 May 2023https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/30/what-is-narcan-naloxone-overdose
Simple solution. Don't make a decision that is illegal and stupid and don't make the rest of society pay for the stupid and illegal decision.
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I guess I've changed over the years. I don't care much anymore for people who act and choose to do irresponsible things. I just keep thinking of those who are responsible and accountable and their struggles to keep themselves and their loved ones safe and healthy.
Yes, good people will make bad choices. But they usually will recover once they see the error of their ways.
Like it was mentioned earlier, scenarios where a mass shooter gets injured while killing and injuring innocents. Or a rapist that gets injured while severely raping a woman. Or a road rage driver that gets severly hurt while causing an innocent family in another car to get severely injured also.
Do you treat each of them equally to the best of your ability?
Who do you help first? I for one know for sure.
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Simple solution. Don't make a decision that is illegal and stupid and don't make the rest of society pay for the stupid and illegal decision.
If only ...
My simple solution would be for the government to start putting even more narcotics on the street -- but cut with NARCAN.
That would not only prevent who knows how many deaths, but also covertly ween people off narcotics with no knowledge they are blocking the effects of the drugs by taking it. Even if they buy non-NARCAN dope, if they also use gov't NARCAN drugs, they will still be blocking some of the narcotics.
Regardless of feasibility and results, I think it would be a great experiment in a city with rampant drug addiction. Priced below market cost, it might have an effect on addiction. :shaka:
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If only ...
My simple solution would be for the government to start putting even more narcotics on the street -- but cut with NARCAN.
That would not only prevent who knows how many deaths, but also covertly ween people off narcotics with no knowledge they are blocking the effects of the drugs by taking it. Even if they buy non-NARCAN dope, if they also use gov't NARCAN drugs, they will still be blocking some of the narcotics.
Regardless of feasibility and results, I think it would be a great experiment in a city with rampant drug addiction. Priced below market cost, it might have an effect on addiction. :shaka:
I may know people who live in CO when weed became legal. The illegal weed market was reduced. But instead the drug dealers shifted to harsher drugs. Some also gave it up cause weed in their morals was fine. Coke not so much.
I havent heard how NV is doing with their recent legalization of weed. As in from people who may or maynot be drug dealers. But walking the strip now, u smell it all the time. People even walking and smoking, even though illegal to do.
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The news is saying there have been an uptick in the past 4 weeks for fentyl OD's. They're saying it's cause it's being shipped by the mail here and where it's made (they didn't say), there is no quality control oversight. So they putting too much inside. I mean, I guess we should pass a law requiring department of health workers visit these cook houses to make sure the quality is sufficient.
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Reality. Face it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bw8UM1eLFo
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Ha ha. More and more people nowadays expect other people to hold their hands......
Just like little children.
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The news is saying there have been an uptick in the past 4 weeks for fentyl OD's. They're saying it's cause it's being shipped by the mail here and where it's made (they didn't say), there is no quality control oversight. So they putting too much inside. I mean, I guess we should pass a law requiring department of health workers visit these cook houses to make sure the quality is sufficient.
The drugs aren't necessarily being distributed by the producers with too much Fentanyl (aka fentanil). From what I've read, the synthetic opioid is 50-100 times as potent as morphine, and it is difficult to control the potency for any given individual. Add to that the users who are chasing a high aren't aware they are taking too much until it's done. The drug can be - and is - added to a variety of other drugs including marijuana, cocaine, heroin, etc. It's also available in pill form.
Fentanyl continues to fuel an epidemic of synthetic opioid drug overdose deaths
in the United States. While prescription opioid deaths remained stable from 2011
to 2021, synthetic opioid deaths increased from 2,600 overdose deaths per year
to 76,238 per year.[16] Since 2018, fentanyl and its analogues have been responsible
for most drug overdose deaths in the United States, causing over 71,238 deaths
in 2021.[17][16][18] Fentanyl constitutes the majority of all drug overdose deaths in
the United States since it overtook heroin in 2018.[17] The United States National
Forensic Laboratory estimates fentanyl reports by federal, state, and local forensic
laboratories increased from 4,697 reports in 2014 to 117,045 reports in 2020.
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Alcohol and other drugs (i.e., cocaine, heroin) can synergistically exacerbate fentanyl's
side effects.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fentanyl
BTW, just in CA, the NARCAN distribution programs have reversed over 173K overdoses since 2018. That means those OD death totals could have been upwards of 2.5 times as many.
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Is there info you can provide to best estimate how many saved changed their lives around? But doesn't include accidents like a 5 year old ingesting it or a cop touching it.
There was another VICE show or maybe NatGeo, about meth and a cookhouse portion was done. The ER doc was talking about a cooker who got 3rd degree burns in 99% of his body and the state or whoever needs to pay the bill for his care. He mentioned events like this are common and so are seeing the same OD'ers in the ER. I dont remember which city this ER was in or if he mentioned how many changed their lives. This is only 1 ER , which is why I'm asking for stats.
And right on cue, the bill Tam presented was on the news this morn too. I think he was even interviewed about it, but I was in the other room so I didn't see him, but it sounded like him.
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On a somewhat related note, why can't the dealers be charged with murder? On Drugs Inc, there was a docu about MDMA and a young Asian dealer was in jail for 20 years cause someone OD'd on what he sold . This was in the US. I dont remember what state. They didnt get into the full details like how he was charged and all the evidence, but he's working in the prison to bring awareness of drug use and dealing.
This was the only time I heard of a dealer being found guilty.
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Is there info you can provide to best estimate how many saved changed their lives around? But doesn't include accidents like a 5 year old ingesting it or a cop touching it.
There was another VICE show or maybe NatGeo, about meth and a cookhouse portion was done. The ER doc was talking about a cooker who got 3rd degree burns in 99% of his body and the state or whoever needs to pay the bill for his care. He mentioned events like this are common and so are seeing the same OD'ers in the ER. I dont remember which city this ER was in or if he mentioned how many changed their lives. This is only 1 ER , which is why I'm asking for stats.
And right on cue, the bill Tam presented was on the news this morn too. I think he was even interviewed about it, but I was in the other room so I didn't see him, but it sounded like him.
I don't know if those numbers are available nationally. Trying to pin that number down would involve studying mental health, psychological trauma (PTSD), physical pain (self-medicating to ease day-to-day suffering) and all the other factors that might be the underlying reason someone became addicted to drugs and alcohol. Not everyone who uses does it for the high alone. Cancer patients often seek out illegal substances for pain management and to increase appetite. Some use drugs to quiet the voices in their head because they've never seen a doctor for diagnosis or treatment, and our system won't let government force treatment unless they've committed violent crimes or attempted suicide.
However, there's evidence that not saving someones life will prevent them from kicking their habit and making a fresh start 100% of the time.
Studies have repeatedly concluded that harm reduction does not promote drug use,
and a California naloxone distribution program reversed 173,948 overdoses since
2018, a spokesman for the state Department of Health Care Services said. L.A.
community members reversed more than 5,000 overdoses with naloxone during the
COVID-19 pandemic.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-05-30/desperate-to-stop-fentanyl-deaths-officials-are-distributing-drug-pipes
Of course, we all know how accurate studies can be.
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On a somewhat related note, why can't the dealers be charged with murder? On Drugs Inc, there was a docu about MDMA and a young Asian dealer was in jail for 20 years cause someone OD'd on what he sold . This was in the US. I dont remember what state. They didnt get into the full details like how he was charged and all the evidence, but he's working in the prison to bring awareness of drug use and dealing.
This was the only time I heard of a dealer being found guilty.
Think about how difficult it can be to tie a death to a specific drug sold or manufactured by a specific individual. it's not like the drugs are all unique colors that can be made and sold by one group or person.
(https://i.imgur.com/wJLs06h.jpg)
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Think about how difficult it can be to tie a death to a specific drug sold or manufactured by a specific individual. it's not like the drugs are all unique colors that can be made and sold by one group or person.
(https://i.imgur.com/wJLs06h.jpg)
That's why it would be nice if Drugs Inc. went more into it. I mean I could google his name, but I have to find the episode first, then take the time to read the details. But I get why they didn't. This was just a sub-plot to the docu.
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Reality. Face it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bw8UM1eLFo
I would have just shot him.
Too much effort to fight with him.
I was a SSGT in the military.
Army is a lot different than USAF,
but we know the driil as well as any other E5 in the military.
:thumbsup:
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I would have just shot him.
Too much effort to fight with him.
I was a SSGT in the military.
Army is a lot different than USAF,
but we know the driil as well as any other E5 in the military.
:thumbsup:
https://youtu.be/RF3CADEvObI
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I would have just shot him.
Too much effort to fight with him.
I was a SSGT in the military.
Army is a lot different than USAF,
but we know the driil as well as any other E5 in the military.
:thumbsup:
you were in the Air Force? :rofl:
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you were in the Air Force? :rofl:
Well over 5 years and service connected disabled, yes.
Vietnam era.
I was crawling over Nukes at age 18. What were you doing at age 18?
Nukes were not laughing matters then or now.
Military service used to be honorable.
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https://youtu.be/RF3CADEvObI
My favorite gun.
I hated cleaning M-16s after quals.
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Well over 5 years and service connected disabled, yes.
Vietnam era.
I was crawling over Nukes at age 18. What were you doing at age 18?
Nukes were not laughing matters then or now.
Military service used to be honorable.
I was still living with my parents and played Nintendo Duck Hunt in the living room. Great times :thumbsup:
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Well over 5 years and service connected disabled, yes.
Vietnam era.
I was crawling over Nukes at age 18. What were you doing at age 18?
Nukes were not laughing matters then or now.
Military service used to be honorable.
Let's see. At 18 I was halfway through my senior year in HS.
I was in band (clarinet, bassoon, sax, percussion),
Deputy Commander for our AFJROTC detachment and official squadron photographer for 4 years,
keeping on the honor roll grade-wise,
applying for colleges in my state,
jumping through hoops for my AFROTC college scholarship application (in-person interviews, physical exam, etc.),
working 2 part time jobs (ice cream & dairy plant and retail store asst. mgr. plus school bus driver),
learning and practicing for the regional CAP air navigation competition (first time I ever flew a plane while the pilot searched for a barf bag for my partner),
applying for financial aid in case my scholarship fell through,
took the majority of the photos used in the Year Book including the senior portraits that a professional normally does (his film didn't develop, or something, so i was asked last minute to meet the printer's deadline),
bought a 1966 VW Beetle that needed lots of work (first car I owned),
and of course all the football games, concerts, drill competitions and elementary school visits we did each year.
Good times!
Those are just the highlights.
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I was crawling over Nukes at age 18.
If someone said that today it would have a whole different meaning
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If someone said that today it would have a whole different meaning
What is that?
I was fixing B-52H models avionics armed with AGM 69s
I went into the military at age 17.
First posting after tech school was Strategic Air Command Minot ND.
The only other "nuke" I know of is microwave cooking.
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So my friend just told me a story yesterday. There's the top DJ Illenium in the US. He OD'd like 6 years ago before he was famous and quit drugs. IDK if Narcan or like substance was used. But he is totally sober, he doesn't even drink alcohol. When my friend was partying with him, he had bottle water the entire time. this is amazing as the club culture has easy access to drugs.
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So my friend just told me a story yesterday. There's the top DJ Illenium in the US. He OD'd like 6 years ago before he was famous and quit drugs. IDK if Narcan or like substance was used. But he is totally sober, he doesn't even drink alcohol. When my friend was partying with him, he had bottle water the entire time. this is amazing as the club culture has easy access to drugs.
The well-known people who die from an OD or drug-related circumstances will always get more press than the well-known people who survive an OD -- even more so if any of them kick their habit. Without a death involved, the trip to the ER will likely not make the news. They sometimes have PR people and family members who help keep the incidents quiet and out of the public view.
Regular people who aren't well-known get no notice regardless.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deaths_from_drug_overdose_and_intoxication
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my friend sent me info on getting a free narcan kit.
I placed an order because it looks like a lethal dose of bad fentanyl is so tiny, it could be deployed as a weapon.
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my friend sent me info on getting a free narcan kit.
I placed an order because it looks like a lethal dose of bad fentanyl is so tiny, it could be deployed as a weapon.
that makes no sense
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that makes no sense
Like those stories of the HIV needles in the movie theater with a note saying "congrats, you got HIV". Or attached to the gas pump handle.
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So the 2 drug dealers are charged by the feds. Too bad they don't go after all drug dealers who someone has an OD from. But I guess it's not the crime you commit, it's who you do it to. Or in this case, if it makes headlines. I wouldn't be surprised if these 2 who OD's were connected in some way.
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I view all drugs as a Darwinian event.
Natural selection.
It maybe cruel, but if you take chances without
understanding the risks, schiff happens.
To protect idiots is a waste of time and our money.
Kids of course are a different story and must be protected.
Drugs that are cheap should be readily available and cheap
not taxed to death, because then you still have illict drugs.
They should be regulated as to quality and purity.
They should only be available in designated areas
away from normal people.
Kind of like Hotel California "you can check in but you can never leave".
I'll add one condition to that, till you are sober.
The Burning man event is a good example.
Services are provided, they live in tens and go crazy. till they are done.
Out in the middle of nowhere.
That would clean up the streets, get rid of the working Junkies, and I suspect
a great many progressives and RINOs.
:thumbsup: