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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: ren on June 06, 2023, 10:17:32 PM
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https://www.khon2.com/hawaii-crime/car-traveling-at-shocking-speed-before-plowing-into-kaimuki-home/ (https://www.khon2.com/hawaii-crime/car-traveling-at-shocking-speed-before-plowing-into-kaimuki-home/)
According to Chris Lee, Chair of the State Senate’s Transportation Committee, the cars aren’t to blame. To mitigate the risk of dangerous speeding, he believes the answer lies in our road design
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https://www.khon2.com/hawaii-crime/car-traveling-at-shocking-speed-before-plowing-into-kaimuki-home/ (https://www.khon2.com/hawaii-crime/car-traveling-at-shocking-speed-before-plowing-into-kaimuki-home/)
According to Chris Lee, Chair of the State Senate’s Transportation Committee, the cars aren’t to blame. To mitigate the risk of dangerous speeding, he believes the answer lies in our road design
So, he blames Rhodes?
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Blame the road, not the driver. Dumb ass chair of senate transportation committee.
He uses his same flawed logic on shootings. Blame the gun, not the shooter.
No wonder Hawaii cannot get ahead, we got idiots running the government.
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Blame the road, not the driver. Dumb ass chair of senate transportation committee.
He uses his same flawed logic on shootings. Blame the gun, not the shooter.
No wonder Hawaii cannot get ahead, we got idiots running the government.
And idiots that keep voting them into office.
And idiots that take the "ainokea" attitude and don't vote at all.
And you are 100% correct. Hawaii cannot get ahead with these two things being prevalent.
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And idiots that keep voting them into office.
We can’t know that for sure because our elections are rife with fraud
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https://www.khon2.com/hawaii-crime/car-traveling-at-shocking-speed-before-plowing-into-kaimuki-home/ (https://www.khon2.com/hawaii-crime/car-traveling-at-shocking-speed-before-plowing-into-kaimuki-home/)
According to Chris Lee, Chair of the State Senate’s Transportation Committee, the cars aren’t to blame. To mitigate the risk of dangerous speeding, he believes the answer lies in our road design
IIRC an electric motor has maximum torque at stall, so electric cars
will be like dragsters - fast. 0-60 or more in 3 seconds or less.
Tires are really the most limiting factor.
I live in a rural area so your city problems don't really affect me
but Hawaii roads really do suck.
if you built them right such as the new BI saddle
road in the first place, you
would not have to pay year after year to corrupt
state and county employees to fix them.
But then again Hawaii roads are a jobs program
for uncle and cousins, not a public service.
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our problem is we no more race track!!!
you like drive fast? race somebody?
take it to the track. but we no more track. all other islands have a track, but Oahu the most populated island. it would see the most use out of all the islands but, too bad. now gotta race on the street. no choice. if you like race then your only option is street racing
sure there is SCCA, but you no can go fast at all. cant get out of 2nd gear, track too short and too many turns
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our problem is we no more race track!!!
you like drive fast? race somebody?
take it to the track. but we no more track. all other islands have a track, but Oahu the most populated island. it would see the most use out of all the islands but, too bad. now gotta race on the street. no choice. if you like race then your only option is street racing
sure there is SCCA, but you no can go fast at all. cant get out of 2nd gear, track too short and too many turns
That's a very poor excuse to do something illegal.
No you don't HAVE to race on the street.
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That's a very poor excuse to do something illegal.
No you don't HAVE to race on the street.
People don''t have to do drugs either, but every time we try to stop it the criminal behavior skyrockets
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That's a very poor excuse to do something illegal.
No you don't HAVE to race on the street.
if we had a race track, we wouldn't have that excuse
if you ever exceed the speed limit, you are doing something illegal too. I'm sure everyone that drives has exceeded the speed limit, probably daily too
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if we had a race track, we wouldn't have that excuse
if you ever exceed the speed limit, you are doing something illegal too. I'm sure everyone that drives has exceeded the speed limit, probably daily too
That is not a valid excuse to do something illegal. Same argument can be had for a range.
There's a difference between speeding and racing https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol05_ch0261-0319/HRS0291C/HRS_0291C-0103.htm (https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol05_ch0261-0319/HRS0291C/HRS_0291C-0103.htm) https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol05_ch0261-0319/HRS0291C/HRS_0291C-0105.htm (https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol05_ch0261-0319/HRS0291C/HRS_0291C-0105.htm)
We didn't have access to a range for several months but that is not an excuse to go shoot wherever we want and jeopardize others. We have had several incidents in my neighborhood from drifters. The last one took out a pole and destroyed a home's fence. The debris also damaged the home. I don't know if people were hurt in that one. Racers also do their activities from midnight to early morning sometimes for an hour or more. So these racers' excuse of "not having a track" supersedes my existence in a residence? A neighborhood that was NOT designed for racing. They interrupt our peace because of them "not having a track"? at 3AM on a weeknight?
You can have a race car but the existence of a track is not an excuse to perform dangerous behaviors on public streets designed for commuting. Do you ever think about all those people that are just trying to get to work/home? Or that bicyclist? If you crash will you affect other peoples' lives with your reckless behavior?
Remember this? https://www.khon2.com/local-news/man-accused-of-crashing-into-champion-triathlete-sentenced/#:~:text=The%20driver%20who%20hit%20a,mounted%20on%20Taylor%20Liang's%20car. (https://www.khon2.com/local-news/man-accused-of-crashing-into-champion-triathlete-sentenced/#:~:text=The%20driver%20who%20hit%20a,mounted%20on%20Taylor%20Liang's%20car.)
The bicyclist didn't deserve that at all. What's the drifter's excuse? We have no track? :grrr:
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https://www.khon2.com/hawaii-crime/car-traveling-at-shocking-speed-before-plowing-into-kaimuki-home/ (https://www.khon2.com/hawaii-crime/car-traveling-at-shocking-speed-before-plowing-into-kaimuki-home/)
According to Chris Lee, Chair of the State Senate’s Transportation Committee, the cars aren’t to blame. To mitigate the risk of dangerous speeding, he believes the answer lies in our road design
What i glean from this is that the state is to blame for accidents that occur at higher than posted speed limits.
Sounds like a prelude to a ton of lawsuits, assuming Lee isn't just making sh!# up.
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I was heavily into the race scene when the track was open. Once it closed, every race shop closed with it. As the interest and demand fell. This was also about the time the internet was taking off, so that probably attributed a little. I remember ordering online a cat back exhaust for my car and it took 6 weeks to arrive. Today, it would come within a week.
Like the above posted, there's a diff between racing and speeding. The Kaimuki guy wasn't racing, he was speeding. I mean he was on shrooms, so maybe he thought he was racing someone. And would he have been driving slower if not on shrooms?
Guess Lee wants to make zero straight aways ,that way it's harder to speed knowing a turn is coming up. Cambell Ave is a straight away.
BTW Lee is very anti 2a.
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I'm guessing Lee's solution will involve some World Economic Forum nonsense.
It's not like they have any original ideas besides more government communism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOSflLHuzDo
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That is not a valid excuse to do something illegal. Same argument can be had for a range.
There's a difference between speeding and racing https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol05_ch0261-0319/HRS0291C/HRS_0291C-0103.htm (https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol05_ch0261-0319/HRS0291C/HRS_0291C-0103.htm) https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol05_ch0261-0319/HRS0291C/HRS_0291C-0105.htm (https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol05_ch0261-0319/HRS0291C/HRS_0291C-0105.htm)
We didn't have access to a range for several months but that is not an excuse to go shoot wherever we want and jeopardize others. We have had several incidents in my neighborhood from drifters. The last one took out a pole and destroyed a home's fence. The debris also damaged the home. I don't know if people were hurt in that one. Racers also do their activities from midnight to early morning sometimes for an hour or more. So these racers' excuse of "not having a track" supersedes my existence in a residence? A neighborhood that was NOT designed for racing. They interrupt our peace because of them "not having a track"? at 3AM on a weeknight?
You can have a race car but the existence of a track is not an excuse to perform dangerous behaviors on public streets designed for commuting. Do you ever think about all those people that are just trying to get to work/home? Or that bicyclist? If you crash will you affect other peoples' lives with your reckless behavior?
Remember this? https://www.khon2.com/local-news/man-accused-of-crashing-into-champion-triathlete-sentenced/#:~:text=The%20driver%20who%20hit%20a,mounted%20on%20Taylor%20Liang's%20car. (https://www.khon2.com/local-news/man-accused-of-crashing-into-champion-triathlete-sentenced/#:~:text=The%20driver%20who%20hit%20a,mounted%20on%20Taylor%20Liang's%20car.)
The bicyclist didn't deserve that at all. What's the drifter's excuse? We have no track? :grrr:
while kokohead was closed for about 8 months, I was still shooting at an indoor range. so I was still practicing, but only up close. but got a chance to practice up close shooting which I dont do that much
also have a friend of a friend with a very large farm that we used to shoot on. so there are options other than kokohead. Schofied, Puuloa
now, back to the racing. I agree with you that street racing is bad, I don't condone it or agree with it. and I don't participate in it. sorry if I led you to believe that
I just enjoy modding my Mustangs and a little on my Ecoboost SUV, but I do not street race. I do enjoy getting on the UH onramp going east where I give my Mustang a little boost check now and then just to make sure everything is in working order, test it 0-60 ;)
but I do know people that do street race. while I don't agree with it, I can see their mind-set of having a need for speed
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if we had a race track, we wouldn't have that excuse
if you ever exceed the speed limit, you are doing something illegal too. I'm sure everyone that drives has exceeded the speed limit, probably daily too
I was taught how to drive in south east Los Angeles traffic.
I was as taught as a kid to keep up with traffic.
Recently I drove from Portland to Los Angeles.
From Sacramento city limits though Stockton
I never dropped below 80 MPH. Posted limit was 55
and less in their never ending construction zones.
We were passing CHP That is California Highway Patrol
for you islanders.
On I-5 after Stockton to LA I was doing 75 and getting passed like I was standing still.
I think the speed limit was 70.
Idaho, I did 85 from twin falls to my WA state turn off.
Speed limit was 80.
My point is speed limits are BS. what you should do is go as fast as conditions allow,
if you Fuk up, well, you get prosecuted and sued for your bad judgement.
Driving to the point where you are barely in control on a public road is bad judgement.
Just in case you are wondering I've only had two speeding tickets and zero
accidents attributed to me in 50 years of driving.
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while kokohead was closed for about 8 months, I was still shooting at an indoor range. so I was still practicing, but only up close. but got a chance to practice up close shooting which I dont do that much
also have a friend of a friend with a very large farm that we used to shoot on. so there are options other than kokohead. Schofied, Puuloa
now, back to the racing. I agree with you that street racing is bad, I don't condone it or agree with it. and I don't participate in it. sorry if I led you to believe that
I just enjoy modding my Mustangs and a little on my Ecoboost SUV, but I do not street race. I do enjoy getting on the UH onramp going east where I give my Mustang a little boost check now and then just to make sure everything is in working order, test it 0-60 ;)
but I do know people that do street race. while I don't agree with it, I can see their mind-set of having a need for speed
Many years ago, my friend mentioned "speed limit racing". Which means 1st to hit the speed limit from a red light wins. But then I mentioned exibition of speed law. I can imagine what that would have looked like a 25mph zone.
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Many years ago, my friend mentioned "speed limit racing". Which means 1st to hit the speed limit from a red light wins. But then I mentioned exibition of speed law. I can imagine what that would have looked like a 25mph zone.
I used to go to the Fabulous Ford show at Knot's Berry Farm every year, where there would be 2000 Fords showing their cars. it would take up the entire parking lot of the water park.
I remember as the Mustangs would leave the show, the cops would stop traffic to let them exit, and each one would do a big burnout. and the cops couldn't do anything bc they were on foot and I think they just let them do their thing
I was taught how to drive in south east Los Angeles traffic.
I was as taught as a kid to keep up with traffic.
Recently I drove from Portland to Los Angeles.
From Sacramento city limits though Stockton
I never dropped below 80 MPH. Posted limit was 55
and less in their never ending construction zones.
We were passing CHP That is California Highway Patrol
for you islanders.
On I-5 after Stockton to LA I was doing 75 and getting passed like I was standing still.
I think the speed limit was 70.
Idaho, I did 85 from twin falls to my WA state turn off.
Speed limit was 80.
My point is speed limits are BS. what you should do is go as fast as conditions allow,
if you Fuk up, well, you get prosecuted and sued for your bad judgement.
Driving to the point where you are barely in control on a public road is bad judgement.
Just in case you are wondering I've only had two speeding tickets and zero
accidents attributed to me in 50 years of driving.
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I enjoy driving on the mainland. several times I would drive from San Diego to LA and sometimes I'd find myself driving 80-90mph bc everyone else was driving the same speed and I didn't want to hold up traffic or look like a slow-poke
I also would enjoy driving the Malibu Canyon with all the twists and turns, kind of like Tantalus but with longer straight aways. I wouldn't go too fast there bc I'm not very familiar with that road and some of it has no guard rail and its a long way down :shaka:
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Many years ago, my friend mentioned "speed limit racing". Which means 1st to hit the speed limit from a red light wins. But then I mentioned exibition of speed law. I can imagine what that would have looked like a 25mph zone.
"exibition of speed law"
That one of those BS laws.
If the driver wants destroy his tires so what?
One of the Democrat tactics is to pass so many laws
it guarantees that you will be breaking some of them everyday.
I own a truck with a manual transmission and I can squeak
tires any time I want and be cited for exhibition of speed
even if it is by accident.
This all about control.
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"exibition of speed law"
That one of those BS laws.
If the driver wants destroy his tires so what?
One of the Democrat tactics is to pass so many laws
it guarantees that you will be breaking some of them everyday.
I own a truck with a manual transmission and I can squeak
tires any time I want and be cited for exhibition of speed
even if it is by accident.
This all about control.
:grrr:
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Ever try to control a vehicle going down hill on a 10% grade on black ice and not hit the
vehicle stopped in front of you? Can't use brakes or a transmission smarter than you designed
for maximum fuel efficiency.
Try it sometime on the wolds highest mountain/volcano.
Anecdote for you guys, CFHT rolled their suburban off the road in black ice.
Rescuers had to cut off the hair of one of the occupants as the vehicle deformed
so much as it rolled her hair went out the door and they couldn't open the door when it stopped.
Only way to get her out.
She was un harmed but it took a while for hair to get back to her normal habit.
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