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General Topics => Political Discussion => Topic started by: ren on June 09, 2023, 09:59:40 PM
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https://www.khon2.com/local-news/thats-ridiculous-no-public-bathrooms-at-any-rail-stations/ (https://www.khon2.com/local-news/thats-ridiculous-no-public-bathrooms-at-any-rail-stations/)
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Amazing
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That does sound weird to me, at least from what I was used to in Japan where there was always bathrooms at rail stations.
I do understand that cost would be a factor. When I think about the counter argument I would have to concede that busses and most bus stops do not have bathrooms either so it is not like there is some huge change between current transportation options and rail.
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My guess is they wanted to avoid the same problems they see at public parks and other restrooms. Lack of maintenance, no TP, and the homeless occupying them.
One more reason for people to decide against riding this billion dollar public works project.
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Oh well. Forget about even thinking of "Run to the Border...." :rofl:
No place to run. Just let it go where you stand.
While other rail stations in the world thought about restrooms, TheRail in Hawaii is just like TheBus.
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I get the idea. The train is aupposed to run every 10 minutes, so no time to go potty.
I live across the street from a public park with restrooms and it needs constant cleaning. Often times there is someone camping in the stalls. I think we have all seen this before. It's a harsh reality of the times.
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I get the idea. The train is aupposed to run every 10 minutes, so no time to go potty.
I live across the street from a public park with restrooms and it needs constant cleaning. Often times there is someone camping in the stalls. I think we have all seen this before. It's a harsh reality of the times.
Or the deciders are down with the San Francisco plan. Everyone just pee and poop on the sidewalks. What money is saved by having no restrooms can pay pooper scooper employees.
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I do frequent both train stop areas in Waipahu. Don Q and Depot Road.
They are located near numerous shops and businesses.
I think the idea was to have people get off and use the surrounding businesses if they have to "go".
That sounds like a win-win-win to me.
1- it decreases the construction cost to the city
2- it increases the foot traffic to the community businesses
3- it decreases the maintenance cost to the city.
Sounds good in theory. LOL Now I wanna go for a joy-ride.
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Just an observation since there is zero chance I will ever use public ground transportation in Hawaii.
Your elected public officials are idiots and a reflection on Hawaii voters.
This isn't China, Japan, Europe or East coast of the United States so their transportation ideas don't
necessarily work here.
Yet y'all insisted on doing that here. You were doomed to fail from the start because this whole thing was a
political decision, not an engineering one.
My father always preached "Do something even if is wrong" he was speaking from the point of view of a seaman
on a ship.
My training as a Boeing engineer, is safety is Job #1. Just doing something un-informed when there is
something wrong will kill lots of people. Take a little more time to get some data.
That is why most airplanes crash these days. Human error.
Your rail system is classic human error.
You have a traffic problem y'all did something even if it was wrong, y'all will now pay for it dearly.
Even me who will never use your system. Y'all managed to allow my county to increase GET and Gas taxes.
Y'all should have listened to the PhD guy with the Greek name that is an engineer.
But he wasn't a white progressive liberal, Chinese, Japanese, or a Hawaiian.
:wtf:
So his inputs did not count.
:grrr:
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Da Filipino guy wanted to greatly expand the bus routes which he said would be up and running in 6 to 12 months for $350 million. Construction unions were against him because he vowed to kill the rail project. As a result, he lost the mayoral election and da pro-rail haole guy got in.
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Just an observation since there is zero chance I will ever use public ground transportation in Hawaii.
Your elected public officials are idiots and a reflection on Hawaii voters.
This isn't China, Japan, Europe or East coast of the United States so their transportation ideas don't
necessarily work here.
Yet y'all insisted on doing that here. You were doomed to fail from the start because this whole thing was a
political decision, not an engineering one.
My father always preached "Do something even if is wrong" he was speaking from the point of view of a seaman
on a ship.
My training as a Boeing engineer, is safety is Job #1. Just doing something un-informed when there is
something wrong will kill lots of people. Take a little more time to get some data.
That is why most airplanes crash these days. Human error.
Your rail system is classic human error.
You have a traffic problem y'all did something even if it was wrong, y'all will now pay for it dearly.
Even me who will never use your system. Y'all managed to allow my county to increase GET and Gas taxes.
Y'all should have listened to the PhD guy with the Greek name that is an engineer.
But he wasn't a white progressive liberal, Chinese, Japanese, or a Hawaiian.
:wtf:
So his inputs did not count.
:grrr:
In the mayoral election Panos Prevedourus came in third. Too many low information voters ruins everything.
His most memorable qoute: "It cost the US government $10 billion to go from the earth to the moon.
It will cost the city of Honolulu $10 billion to go from Kapolei to Ala Moana."
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We all knew Panos was right.
But what can you do against that kind of political pressure?
So now we just have to make do with what we got.
Like it or not.
No sense crying over spilled milk.
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for comparison this is how much it costs to get into space
https://spacenews.com/spacex-explains-why-the-u-s-space-force-is-paying-316-million-for-a-single-launch/ (https://spacenews.com/spacex-explains-why-the-u-s-space-force-is-paying-316-million-for-a-single-launch/)
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We all knew Panos was right.
But what can you do against that kind of political pressure?
So now we just have to make do with what we got.
Like it or not.
No sense crying over spilled milk.
"No sense crying over spilled milk."
How about you don't allow the BRATS to spill and waste the milk?
I'm pretty sure you correct your kids and Grand kids when they screw up.
Most commentators here are way older than the assholes that
pass laws, that we ignore.
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'SnapCrap' app invites San Francisco residents to report poop on city streets
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/SnapCrap-app-San-Francisco-poop-feces-dirty-street-13281837.php
A glimpse into the future of Honolulu.
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Was looking at comments on Facebook and apparently this is common in many other locations.
To me I don't think this is that big a deal.
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Was looking at comments on Facebook and apparently this is common in many other locations.
To me I don't think this is that big a deal.
It's all good until you have a 5 year old who really needs to go and can't hold it.
Not everything is about how it affects you personally.
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Mass Transit systems like Fixed Rail should have bathrooms.
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Was looking at comments on Facebook and apparently this is common in many other locations.
To me I don't think this is that big a deal.
I have XP with riding a train in Taiwan. All the stations have a restroom, well the many ones that I visited as I did not go to 100% of the stations for the MRT. They also have water fountains. Many have food/drink vendors even though no one is allowed to consume them while on the train.
So seeing how nice and efficient this 1 example is, HI is once again a cluster fuc*. Good way to make $ is also having a vending stand there. HI is unique as we allow "blind vendors" at the airport. In the mainland, blind vendors are not at the airport. The reason why HI allows this is because we don't have truck stops like how the mainland has. Those vendors in the state buildings are blind vendors, at the airport selling sundries, HPD HQ next to firearms PTA area/special duty, all blind vendor program. There is also a huge waiting list. So by adding these at the rail stops, would open up probably 10 more spots.
And it's not like HI is restroom friendly either. In Taiwan, almost every 7/11 has a public restroom. There's one on every other corner. So 1 could easily find a restroom on their way to the train station.
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Wow, Taiwan has 7-11? I have been to Taiwan twice, the last time was in 1975 and there were zero 7-11s.
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Wow, Taiwan has 7-11? I have been to Taiwan twice, the last time was in 1975 and there were zero 7-11s.
Choke and Family Marts (like 7/11). Almost like Waikiki and ABC stores. And their food is mean. Like we often eat there. Imagine flying internationally and wanting to eat at a 7/11. That's how mean the food is. Plus they get choke drinks, but almost no fruity drinks like POG, Aloha/Hawaiian Sun type drinks. The 1 fruit punch I tried tasted very healthy, like it taste freshly made with various fruits and no added sugar like how fruit punches here sell. But it wasn't to my liking.
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It's all good until you have a 5 year old who really needs to go and can't hold it.
Not everything is about how it affects you personally.
The situation doesn't really change though, other public transportation doesn't have bathrooms either.
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And it's not like HI is restroom friendly either. In Taiwan, almost every 7/11 has a public restroom. There's one on every other corner. So 1 could easily find a restroom on their way to the train station.
That might be because they don't have chronics going in to shoot up and they have a respectful society that will take care of the bathroom instead of breaking crap. Don't get me wrong, I love America's sense of freedom but it has also lead to a bunch of people with no regard for society. Some public bathrooms have prison style metal toilets because otherwise some dummy breaks the toilet just because he feels like it.
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The situation doesn't really change though, other public transportation doesn't have bathrooms either.
Other public transportation, like The Bus (is there another?), have stops directly in front of or next to businesses, malls and public areas that do have restrooms. The Rail, however, has stations that require you to walk -- in some places quite a ways -- to find a restroom for public use.
I invite you to research the stations here:
https://honolulutransit.org/about/route-map/
Click a station, then click the View Station button for photos. The majority of the surrounding area at every terminal is for parking, bus pickup and drop off, Handi-vans, etc. Any businesses are several levels down to street level and another block or more past the stations. The Bus isn't that way. if you're in the same areas The Rail runs, The Bus can drop you near a restroom.
Besides, are you really arguing for lack of facilities because other city/state services are just as poorly designed? is that the standard now? "The Rail only has to be as good as other public trans systems, so let's save some money."
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But they said there would be restrooms waaay back in 2014.
another occasion for the sad trombone.
https://gray-prod.video.arc-cdn.net/gray/2021/08/27/61295b44c9e77c0007ddd22f/KHNL_20140607021111143AC.mp4
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But they said there would be restrooms waaay back in 2014.
another occasion for the sad trombone.
https://gray-prod.video.arc-cdn.net/gray/2021/08/27/61295b44c9e77c0007ddd22f/KHNL_20140607021111143AC.mp4
All talk and then when no one was looking.......whomp there it is!! (in this case isn't....) :rofl:
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Just make one spot with low maintenance quick growing thick vegetation like cane grass or California grass.
Tell um go ova dea fo do yoa business but be careful whea you walk.
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Other public transportation, like The Bus (is there another?), have stops directly in front of or next to businesses, malls and public areas that do have restrooms. The Rail, however, has stations that require you to walk -- in some places quite a ways -- to find a restroom for public use.
I invite you to research the stations here:
https://honolulutransit.org/about/route-map/
Click a station, then click the View Station button for photos. The majority of the surrounding area at every terminal is for parking, bus pickup and drop off, Handi-vans, etc. Any businesses are several levels down to street level and another block or more past the stations. The Bus isn't that way. if you're in the same areas The Rail runs, The Bus can drop you near a restroom.
Besides, are you really arguing for lack of facilities because other city/state services are just as poorly designed? is that the standard now? "The Rail only has to be as good as other public trans systems, so let's save some money."
Most bus stops aren't near bathrooms either. Even in Ala Moana mall the bathrooms aren't very close to the bus stop.
Bathrooms are nice and all but if you already ride the bus and switch to the train you really aren't losing anything.
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Most bus stops aren't near bathrooms either. Even in Ala Moana mall the bathrooms aren't very close to the bus stop.
Bathrooms are nice and all but if you already ride the bus and switch to the train you really aren't losing anything.
So, never mind that they promised one or more restrooms in every rail terminal?
But they said there would be restrooms waaay back in 2014.
another occasion for the sad trombone.
https://gray-prod.video.arc-cdn.net/gray/2021/08/27/61295b44c9e77c0007ddd22f/KHNL_20140607021111143AC.mp4
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So, never mind that they promised one or more restrooms in every rail terminal?
I mean it is unfortunate but if it isn't in the budget, what can be done? Should we give more money to the rail?
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I mean it is unfortunate but if it isn't in the budget, what can be done? Should we give more money to the rail?
Oh, so promises don't matter if they under-budgeted and over spent?
Maybe they can find some revenue in the budget they are using to pay lawyers to fight against our 2A rights?
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Its ok. People can just pee and poop in the train if they really need to go. </sarc>
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So, never mind that they promised one or more restrooms in every rail terminal?
There will be one . . .
"Though there are no public restrooms in any of the rail stations, Morton said they do have at least one employee bathroom available in the event of an emergency. If the public is really, really in need of a bathroom, it’s kind of like in a — in a restaurant where there’s a key to get access to the bathroom, said Morton."
“They will be able to get access to the restroom, from the station attendant,” Morton further explained. “That’s the policy. Unfortunately, we only have one toilet, in most stations. And so it’s not. It’s not feasible to leave them open, you know, without key access.”
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But they said there would be restrooms waaay back in 2014.
another occasion for the sad trombone.
https://gray-prod.video.arc-cdn.net/gray/2021/08/27/61295b44c9e77c0007ddd22f/KHNL_20140607021111143AC.mp4
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yikes
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Just line up those porta potties right below the rail stations. I mean, it will be an ugly sight but in my opinion it can't get any uglier than how the rail stations and the whole rail system as a whole look now.
;D :wave:
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Panos? His background in "engineering" made him about as qualified for Govs office as our esteemed "Doctor Green". . . :barf:
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There will be one . . .
"Though there are no public restrooms in any of the rail stations, Morton said they do have at least one employee bathroom available in the event of an emergency. If the public is really, really in need of a bathroom, it’s kind of like in a — in a restaurant where there’s a key to get access to the bathroom, said Morton."
“They will be able to get access to the restroom, from the station attendant,” Morton further explained. “That’s the policy. Unfortunately, we only have one toilet, in most stations. And so it’s not. It’s not feasible to leave them open, you know, without key access.”
I think health code states a restroom must be made available to all employees and must be within 200 yards.
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That might be because they don't have chronics going in to shoot up and they have a respectful society that will take care of the bathroom instead of breaking crap. Don't get me wrong, I love America's sense of freedom but it has also lead to a bunch of people with no regard for society. Some public bathrooms have prison style metal toilets because otherwise some dummy breaks the toilet just because he feels like it.
So because of druggies, the public has to now suffer. Maybe blue lights inside the restrooms to make it harder to see the vein. There is a solution, it's HI being HI again. Day late, dollar short.
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So because of druggies, the public has to now suffer. Maybe blue lights inside the restrooms to make it harder to see the vein. There is a solution, it's HI being HI again. Day late, dollar short.
easy fix. Make it a sensitive place free of illegal drugs. Its illegal anyways so make it more illegaller in a sensitive place. If no work make it a super sensitive place.
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As a senior citizen I can greatly appreciate the need for restroom facilities nearby.
I do not want to have a Brandon incident in my undies. I also hate the idea of having
to wear a diaper. Remember: Never Trust a Fart.
In order to pay for the up keep and day to day operating costs for
the heavy rail system we are now stuck with, city/state taxes will have to be increased.
For starters, higher property taxes and vehicle registration fees will very likely occur.
If Panos or Cayetano were elected as the mayor of Honolulu, the situation would not
be as bad. Future generations will continue to foot the bill for it.
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easy fix. Make it a sensitive place free of illegal drugs. Its illegal anyways so make it more illegaller in a sensitive place. If no work make it a super sensitive place.
Make it super duper illegaller. I'm sure Dr. Green will sign it into law. If not make it super duper uuper looper illegaller.
I may be getting silly but remember now, this is......Hawaii.
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Just line up those porta potties right below the rail stations. I mean, it will be an ugly sight but in my opinion it can't get any uglier than how the rail stations and the whole rail system as a whole look now.
;D :wave:
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That just makes way too much sense.
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So because of druggies, the public has to now suffer. Maybe blue lights inside the restrooms to make it harder to see the vein. There is a solution, it's HI being HI again. Day late, dollar short.
Not just chronics but idiots who like to brake a toilet as if some tiktok trend. I once met a C&C parks worker who said kids kept breaking the porcelain sinks in the public bathrooms. At a certain point it doesn't make financial sense to keep repairing it.
I like the blue light solution.
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Oh, so promises don't matter if they under-budgeted and over spent?
Maybe they can find some revenue in the budget they are using to pay lawyers to fight against our 2A rights?
Hope you are good at holding your breath.