Post by: changemyoil66 on June 22, 2023, 06:07:26 PM
Nothing is a conspiracy....
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 22, 2023, 06:18:08 PM
So our gov knew the location of the Titanic sub days ago. USCG has the equipment for deep sea rescue, but didnt deploy. Now we know why.
Nothing is a conspiracy....
The submersible was named Titan. Poor choice of names (I'm not superstitious).
I must have missed the memo. What conspiracy are you referring to now?
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 22, 2023, 06:22:32 PM
The submersible was named Titan. Poor choice of names (I'm not superstitious).Google.
I must have missed the memo. What conspiracy are you referring to now?
They located wreckage and waited till now to announce, which is why the rescue sub wasnt sent in. Just as air ran out, they magically found the wreckage.Saying nothing found yet and suffocation happens is a sad story.
Or distraction for the Biden crime families lack of fair punishment. Attention shifts.
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Post by: Sodie on June 22, 2023, 06:39:09 PM
Google.
They located wreckage and waited till now to announce, which is why the rescue sub wasnt sent in. Just as air ran out, they magically found the wreckage.Saying nothing found yet and suffocation happens is a sad story.
Or distraction for the Biden crime families lack of fair punishment. Attention shifts.
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Where did you hear they located the wreckage before today?
A classified surveillance system captured a noise consistent with a catastrophic failure of a pressure vessel around the time the Titan lost comms. That information was passed to incident command, who used it to scope the search area. They continued searching because they couldn’t know with certainty 1) if it actually was a catastrophic implosion, and 2) if it WAS a catastrophic implosion, if it was the Titan or maybe another sub.
If all you look for are conspiracies, you’ll find them everywhere…
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 22, 2023, 06:47:30 PM
Google.
They located wreckage and waited till now to announce, which is why the rescue sub wasnt sent in. Just as air ran out, they magically found the wreckage.Saying nothing found yet and suffocation happens is a sad story.
Or distraction for the Biden crime families lack of fair punishment. Attention shifts.
If you trust those reports, then you should also trust them when they said at the beginning that even IF they found the crew alive, they don't have many options at that depth for a rescue. i don't even think an ROV with strong enough propulsion could carry a hook on a cable that far to try and pull them up. The ROV itself certainly couldn't carry it to the surface. They didn't send in a "rescue sub," simply because rescue was going to be 99% impossible.
Add to that the fact the Atlantic is a massive place to search for something. Guess how long the Titanic was lost before someone located it?
From the day it sank, until the day the wreckage was located, it took 73 years, four months, and 18 days to discover the final resting place of the RMS Titanic. That's when looking for something that's slightly larger than Titan.
Without knowing what happened, it's difficult to know where to even start looking. The currents at the wreckage are very strong, and one person I watched on an interview described how they were on the Titan and the current was holding them next to a massive propeller. It took all the skill the operator had to get out of that without crashing into the blades. So, even starting your search at the wreckage means going in all directions. Unless you get very lucky and pick the right direction, the chances of finding them would be very low.
The story began with a sudden loss of communication, and no contact afterward. That alone pointed toward a complete failure in the crew compartment.
They only continued the search and rescue because that's what we do -- as human beings. That's what you'd hope they'd do if you were in that situation and with nobody knowing whether you're alive.
Post by: RSN172 on June 22, 2023, 08:36:51 PM
Post by: macsak on June 22, 2023, 09:05:09 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 22, 2023, 09:36:41 PM
You couldn't pay me any amount to go in that submersible and yet you have stupid rich people who pay $250k for a chance to ride in that death trap. I hope it imploded. That would be a far more merciful death that waiting for 96 hours watching your oxygen run out. I don't think it had restroom facilities either.
I saw a few graphics showing a toilet onboard.
Post by: macsak on June 22, 2023, 09:52:10 PM
i didn't watch it because i still have to restock on tinfoil at costco...
Post by: hvybarrels on June 23, 2023, 01:54:42 AM
Late Thursday the Wall Street Journal reported that "A top secret military acoustic detection system designed to spot enemy submarines first heard what the U.S. Navy suspected was the Titan submersible implosion hours after the submersible began its voyage," and that "the U.S. system detected what it suspected was the sound of an implosion near the debris site discovered Thursday."
What's more, it's not like the military took days to try and figure out what the sound was. "While not definitive, this information was immediately shared with the Incident Commander to assist with the ongoing search and rescue mission."
So, the Biden administration knew on Sunday (while not definitive), that the submarine sounded as if it had imploded hours into its journey. What's more, they let everyone think the passengers were alive.
Post by: QUIETShooter on June 23, 2023, 02:46:40 AM
https://zerohedge.com/political/distraction-questions-swirl-over-timing-sub-story-biden-bombshells-hit-target
Late Thursday the Wall Street Journal reported that "A top secret military acoustic detection system designed to spot enemy submarines first heard what the U.S. Navy suspected was the Titan submersible implosion hours after the submersible began its voyage," and that "the U.S. system detected what it suspected was the sound of an implosion near the debris site discovered Thursday."
What's more, it's not like the military took days to try and figure out what the sound was. "While not definitive, this information was immediately shared with the Incident Commander to assist with the ongoing search and rescue mission."
So, the Biden administration knew on Sunday (while not definitive), that the submarine sounded as if it had imploded hours into its journey. What's more, they let everyone think the passengers were alive.
Jesus Christ, if the military immediately shared this information with the Incident Commander to assist with the ongoing search and rescue mission,
why couldn't this information be shared to the public? instead of turning this whole fiasco into a soap opera, gut wrenching, hand wringing, drama queen headline ratings joke.
Poor guys were dead before the story even began.
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 23, 2023, 08:45:23 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 23, 2023, 08:47:11 AM
Jesus Christ, if the military immediately shared this information with the Incident Commander to assist with the ongoing search and rescue mission,
why couldn't this information be shared to the public? instead of turning this whole fiasco into a soap opera, gut wrenching, hand wringing, drama queen headline ratings joke.
Poor guys were dead before the story even began.
This was the plan, to cause a distraction. If the implosion was made aware immediately, then there's no more story. But give the public hope that the people could still be alive. Combine the 96hrs of oxygen, the banging sound they heard, all gives hope and can stretch out the main headlines, which is a distraction. Notice how the implosion and wreckage were all announced shortly after oxygen was planned to run out.
BRB going Costco for more tin foil.
Post by: ren on June 23, 2023, 08:50:16 AM
I think through James Cameron's network he heard about the Navy's information. Also interesting is that Cameron and others cautioned them about the composite hull construction of carbon fiber. I think the hull delaminated. It had titanium endcaps but the hull was about 5 inches of carbon fiber. Cameron noted that a better design would have been a homogenous metal like titanium or steel? and that there is a difference when there are external vs. internal pressure exertion.
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 23, 2023, 08:53:53 AM
It wouldn't have mattered in disseminating the report about the implosion. nothing anyone could've done to save the crew. From what I read death is instantaneous in a millisecond. The time it takes for the brain to process stimuli is about 10-15 ms. There were 6000 PSI of external pressure on the sub at that depth. From what I read it would be akin to an aircraft traveling at Mach 3 and slamming into a stationary object.
Which is why the USCG equipment didn't deploy. They all knew what happened early on and didn't want to waste resources. So this was a poorly planned distraction.
Post by: QUIETShooter on June 23, 2023, 09:03:10 AM
This was the plan, to cause a distraction. If the implosion was made aware immediately, then there's no more story. But give the public hope that the people could still be alive. Combine the 96hrs of oxygen, the banging sound they heard, all gives hope and can stretch out the main headlines, which is a distraction. Notice how the implosion and wreckage were all announced shortly after oxygen was planned to run out.
BRB going Costco for more tin foil.
It's so sad and disgusting to think that they (gov./media/whoever they are it's the same thing) would lead the public along on a hope fest that these people were still alive. I also think that if they shared the implosion data when it was first reported by the military, a lot of people wouldn't have followed the story as much.
Whether it was ratings driven or used as a distraction, it's a sad state either way.
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 23, 2023, 09:13:34 AM
It's so sad and disgusting to think that they (gov./media/whoever they are it's the same thing) would lead the public along on a hope fest that these people were still alive. I also think that if they shared the implosion data when it was first reported by the military, a lot of people wouldn't have followed the story as much.
Whether it was ratings driven or used as a distraction, it's a sad state either way.
I had a friend ask why a rich guy would risk his life. And I told him could be 1 of many things. Maybe he's like James Cameron and really into the Titanic. Cameron has made multiple journey's to the Titanic in an approved sub. Could be he's so rich that he's done everything there is to do. So why not spend the $ to see in person something that not many people saw. I would assume maybe space travel would be on the list, but maybe he doesn't like pulling G's and deep diving is easier. IDK if he reached out to Camerons people or like scientist and say donate $1,00,000 for a trip to see the Titanic.
The news is now saying the creator of the Titan used "loop holes" to get by. 1 they are claiming is that since he isn't selling the sub, he doesn't need the safety approvals by the US government agency. Guess the loop hole is the tickets for a seat. The other that they're claiming is that since the Titanic is in international waters, the US agency doesn't have jurisdiction over the Titan and they can dive without approvals/certifications. Could this be something bigger, now the US Gov will pass more laws/regulations with submersibles? Like the crypo thing, plenty famous people loss money, which will help the Gov to regulate it later cause they will have the support.
Post by: ren on June 23, 2023, 09:24:30 AM
It's so sad and disgusting to think that they (gov./media/whoever they are it's the same thing) would lead the public along on a hope fest that these people were still alive. I also think that if they shared the implosion data when it was first reported by the military, a lot of people wouldn't have followed the story as much.an acoustic detection doesn't give a clear picture of what happened or if it was related to the sub. There was some hope. Just like hearing something at night. You go out and get visual on it before making a conclusion.
Whether it was ratings driven or used as a distraction, it's a sad state either way.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/obama-calls-obscene-inequality-news-coverage-oceangate-sub-tragedy-sinking-migrant-ship (https://www.foxnews.com/media/obama-calls-obscene-inequality-news-coverage-oceangate-sub-tragedy-sinking-migrant-ship)
Post by: MauiAxis on June 23, 2023, 09:36:56 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 23, 2023, 10:12:56 AM
Who will cover the costs of the search? Probably in the hundreds of millions of dollars, all told. Why do we taxpayers have to cover the costs of an accident caused by a reckless private operator, at an unpermitted thrill ride in International waters with a handful of Super wealthy clients.
Maritime code (unwritten). If someone is in trouble, regardless of the why/how people/governments help. Same with the homemade rafts of people trying to come to Florida from Cuba. The problem would be though if someone is pregnant and gives birth on the US Navy/CG ship. This is "US soil", which would make the child a US citizen. This was asked in an ethics class at Annapolis on the Military Channel.
Deadliest Catch show has similar every now and then, another vessel is in trouble, so the ship diverts of it's course which cost a lot in fuel to try to reach the distressed vessel. Even if the troubled ship is hours away. 1 could argue that being in the Bearing Sea is wreckless just so they can catch crab.
But I get what you're saying. But read my post above, there is no permit needed since he's in international waters and doesn't sell the sub.
Post by: hvybarrels on June 23, 2023, 10:54:22 AM
This use of propaganda disguised as journalism is what journalist John Pilger refers to as “invisible government… the true ruling power of our country.”
https://conspiracyanalyst.org/2023/04/03/fake-news-curated-by-the-deep-state-government-spin-doctors-control-the-news-cycle/
Post by: QUIETShooter on June 23, 2023, 11:03:51 AM
Maritime code (unwritten). If someone is in trouble, regardless of the why/how people/governments help.
I used to go fishing on a boat with a co-worker back in the day. Yes, if a fellow mariner is in distress you drop everything and help.
There were several times when the fish were biting very well but the distress signal went out for help and we happened to be the closest to the distressed boat. We packed up and headed towards them to help, knowing that it is highly possible that one day it could be us.
Post by: drck1000 on June 23, 2023, 11:11:18 AM
Maritime code (unwritten). If someone is in trouble, regardless of the why/how people/governments help. Same with the homemade rafts of people trying to come to Florida from Cuba. The problem would be though if someone is pregnant and gives birth on the US Navy/CG ship. This is "US soil", which would make the child a US citizen. This was asked in an ethics class at Annapolis on the Military Channel.Tinfoil head wrap needs to allow at least some blood flow, especially to your brain. . .
Deadliest Catch show has similar every now and then, another vessel is in trouble, so the ship diverts of it's course which cost a lot in fuel to try to reach the distressed vessel. Even if the troubled ship is hours away. 1 could argue that being in the Bearing Sea is wreckless just so they can catch crab.
But I get what you're saying. But read my post above, there is no permit needed since he's in international waters and doesn't sell the sub.
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 23, 2023, 11:33:59 AM
Tinfoil head wrap needs to allow at least some blood flow, especially to your brain. . .
No blood flow as the TQ is on the neck just in case one gets a serious wound. Prevention is key.
Post by: hvybarrels on June 23, 2023, 12:39:44 PM
then move on to the next stupid thing that doest really matter as the nation burns
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 23, 2023, 12:56:53 PM
the final step in Sub distraction is to politicize the shit out of it
then move on to the next stupid thing that doest really matter as the nation burns
Social media must have been ahead of schedule. There were many posting that we should be celebrating the demise of billionaires.
Marx would be proud.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 23, 2023, 01:34:33 PM
You couldn't pay me any amount to go in that submersible and yet you have stupid rich people who pay $250k for a chance to ride in that death trap. I hope it imploded. That would be a far more merciful death that waiting for 96 hours watching your oxygen run out. I don't think it had restroom facilities either.
If you remember the movie Apollo 13, oxygen is only half the "breathing" concern. They need CO2 scrubbers to keep from choking on their own exhaled gases. if the sub were without power, and the scrubbers offline, they wouldn't last a day with that many people turning oxygen into CO2. Breathing oxygen depleted air caused by extreme CO2 concentrations can lead to death by suffocation.
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 23, 2023, 01:43:55 PM
If you remember the movie Apollo 13, oxygen is only half the "breathing" concern. They need CO2 scrubbers to keep from choking on their own exhaled gases. if the sub were without power, and the scrubbers offline, they wouldn't last a day with that many people turning oxygen into CO2. Breathing oxygen depleted air caused by extreme CO2 concentrations can lead to death by suffocation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HXAHWCdajY
3:40
Post by: oldfart on June 23, 2023, 02:01:22 PM
This story generated a lot of clicks.
Clicks=money.
It's just that simple.
I am tempted to make a disgusting joke about fish bait and click bait but I won't do it.
That would be in poor taste.
Post by: ren on June 23, 2023, 02:14:24 PM
Msm was in no great rush to tell everyone that the crew is dead.
This story generated a lot of clicks.
Clicks=money.
It's just that simple.
I am tempted to make a disgusting joke about fish bait and click bait but I won't do it.
That would be in poor taste.
It was rather convenient for Cameron to opine when they found debris...
but what do you expect from the director of a movie where the main character died at the end
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 23, 2023, 02:16:33 PM
I imagine there will now be changes to regulatory oversight of experimental submersibles.
(https://i.imgur.com/4Vi0aPi.jpg)
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 26, 2023, 08:26:30 PM
Post by: DocMercy on June 27, 2023, 07:41:41 AM
His bio can be researched here:
https://venetianvase.co.uk/2011/01/18/the-remarkable-life-and-mysterious-heritage-of-jacques-futrelle/ (https://venetianvase.co.uk/2011/01/18/the-remarkable-life-and-mysterious-heritage-of-jacques-futrelle/)
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On the written page, Jacques Futrelle could devise the most ingenious of “impossible escapes.” On the tragic night of April 14, 1912, however, the celebrated author of “The Problem of Cell 13,” refused his only chance to escape the sinking Titanic.
New technology for rebirthing dead people from DNA samples has been discovered in the ship that landed in Area 51. Aliens realized that the earth was going to hell in a handbasket, and did not want the planet that gave birth to Helen of Troy, Ludwig von Beethoven, and Albert Einstein to undergo devolution back to the pre-paleolithic era. I told them this was not possible, and crunch went the Titan sub.
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 27, 2023, 08:47:34 AM
CMO, I can now disclose top secret information about the mission of the Titan. It was to extract the remains of writer, Jacques Futrelle, who died aboard the Titanic. Futrelle wrote the famous Thinking Machine mystery series, anticipating the rise of men with brilliant minds, rivaling today's thinking engine, ChatGPT.
His bio can be researched here:
https://venetianvase.co.uk/2011/01/18/the-remarkable-life-and-mysterious-heritage-of-jacques-futrelle/ (https://venetianvase.co.uk/2011/01/18/the-remarkable-life-and-mysterious-heritage-of-jacques-futrelle/)
New technology for rebirthing dead people from DNA samples has been discovered in the ship that landed in Area 51. Aliens realized that the earth was going to hell in a handbasket, and did not want the planet that gave birth to Helen of Troy, Ludwig von Beethoven, and Albert Einstein to undergo devolution back to the pre-paleolithic era. I told them this was not possible, and crunch went the Titan sub.
U mean to get the bankers DNA from the Titanic because the current ones who control the fed reserve need pure DNA to keep their family in power, as it's been diluted with outsiders over the generations.
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 27, 2023, 08:51:30 AM
Deadliest Catch series, often the captain of the crab ship doesn't own the boat, but some "rich guys" do. This crew knowiling goes out into very hostile ocean to catch crab to make money. So if 1 of these ships need help, should the charge go back to the owners? At least with the Titan, there is some room for not knowing all risk. Like I'm sure none of the passengers had their own safety inspection done of the sub nor did an investigation into the background of the sub. They trusted that the operators knew what they were doing. Compare this to the crab workers, they know sea is bad and can turn in an instant.
Basically it's people hating on the rich again.
Post by: groveler on June 27, 2023, 10:11:24 AM
I remember how sad it was when John Denver died in an experimental plane he was piloting. Regulations for experimental aircraft were changed following that crash due in part to public attention.I flew in quite a few experimental aircraft with no concerns what so ever.
I imagine there will now be changes to regulatory oversight of experimental submersibles.
(https://i.imgur.com/4Vi0aPi.jpg)
But I also knew that in my time they were built to specification, by people that were
experts and their work was inspected for compliance. All our flights were planned
in detail.
Safety is #1, you fly unsafely and you may die in an experimental aircraft.
I spent twenty years in Boeing Experimental flight test.
Never lost a plane, we broke a few, but never crashed one like Airbus did.
Most private built experimental aircraft that fail are due to someone hot dogging
it and pushing it beyond it's or their limits.
Most experimental aircraft are over built for safety, and their flying limits are set well within
design limits. eg the wing can safely handle 10g's, but the flight limits will be set to 8g's max.
Sub was poorly designed , poorly built, and exceed material design limits.
how was it tested? They found out the hard way. it wasn't.
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 27, 2023, 10:36:47 AM
Post by: QUIETShooter on June 27, 2023, 11:04:25 AM
Is it possible that the more rich you get, the more stupid you become?
Or is it the more rich you become the more reckless you behave.
Oh well. Too late now.
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 27, 2023, 11:18:00 AM
Going more than 2 miles down into the ocean in a vienna sausage can.
Is it possible that the more rich you get, the more stupid you become?
Or is it the more rich you become the more reckless you behave.
Oh well. Too late now.
I think it's more like they have the $ to do anything they want and have done it all already. Same goes with other areas. Dan Bilzarian (IG personality) has been with models for years now. So he recently said he really likes to just stay home on the weekend,. He's tired of partying and women thowing themselves at him. He had a story that a model type girl wanted to sleep with him while they were partying at his home.He said, go knock on my roommates door and wake him up and go have sex with him. And she did. I mean, IDK how much of his stories are true, but you get the point.
Post by: drck1000 on June 27, 2023, 11:21:54 AM
So now the stuff I'm seeing more is since the rich got in trouble, charge them for all rescue cost. And people are supporting this not understanding unwritten maritime code, or other things. here's an example:You've been staying at Holiday Inn Express a lot lately, huh?
SNIP
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 27, 2023, 11:36:35 AM
You've been staying at Holiday Inn Express a lot lately, huh?
Swoooooshhhh. I don't understand this reference.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 27, 2023, 02:07:37 PM
What I find interesting is that there's no "seal/gasket" for the front area where you get in. Seems like metal on metal. I mean, I'm no expert so IDK how doors like this work. But I remember being on the Missouri Battleship and I think I saw a gasket on their watertight doors. I don't recall what I saw on the Bowfin sub.
A surface ship can use rubber seals on water tight doors because they are not submersed. The seal would have to remain intact at ocean depths for a sub.
Most sub hatches I've seen are made with either an interlocking series of channels in the metal or it has a deep "cover" that fits flush against the deck, enclosing the actual hatch cover.
The ocean pressure is pushing on the hatch, helping to seal it. It's more a problem of keeping that hatch from folding in than keeping the thing closed tightly.
Post by: hvybarrels on June 27, 2023, 04:20:05 PM
There was nothing to rescue .. it imploded.
And yet they lied to the public about it to keep Hunter Biden documents out of the headlines
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 27, 2023, 05:23:31 PM
There was nothing to rescue .. it imploded.SWOOOOOOOSSSSHHHHHHHH
Even this topic. Continuity remains.
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Post by: zippz on June 27, 2023, 05:31:38 PM
What I find interesting is that there's no "seal/gasket" for the front area where you get in. Seems like metal on metal. I mean, I'm no expert so IDK how doors like this work. But I remember being on the Missouri Battleship and I think I saw a gasket on their watertight doors. I don't recall what I saw on the Bowfin sub.\
I dunno how they do it, but they need something better than rubber. At 50 feet about the lowest you'll get in a battleship, water is 37PSI. It doesn't have to be designed for more than that cause you'd be at the bottom of the ocean and screwed.
6,000 PSI at titanic depths.
Post by: groveler on June 27, 2023, 08:27:49 PM
And yet they lied to the public about it to keep Hunter Biden documents out of the headlinesAnd spend millions of our dollars to do so.
all the Democrats in the white house had to do was make a few phone calls,
they own the media.
:grrr:
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 28, 2023, 09:05:44 AM
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I dunno how they do it, but they need something better than rubber. At 50 feet about the lowest you'll get in a battleship, water is 37PSI. It doesn't have to be designed for more than that cause you'd be at the bottom of the ocean and screwed.
6,000 PSI at titanic depths.
I assume a battleships or like military vessel's doors are water tight and designed if the ship sunk below 50 feet. But I have no education on the matter, which is why I'm asking. The "seal" for the front of the Titan also doesn't have interlocking channels that Flapp suggest. But flat metal about 4 inches wide or so. No reports of it ever leaking so I guess it works.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 28, 2023, 12:06:52 PM
I assume a battleships or like military vessel's doors are water tight and designed if the ship sunk below 50 feet. But I have no education on the matter, which is why I'm asking. The "seal" for the front of the Titan also doesn't have interlocking channels that Flapp suggest. But flat metal about 4 inches wide or so. No reports of it ever leaking so I guess it works.
The front hatch can't be opened from inside. it's secured from outside using 17 or 18 large bolts depending on which news article is accurate. That's the only opening in the passenger compartment.
So, the pressure from the ocean depths will be working to seal the surfaces of the hatch-to-sub just as much as it'll be trying to force water through any unsealed portion of it. If the surfaces are machined perfectly flat, I don't see why any seal or gasket would be needed as long as the people screwing it down ensure it's free of foreign matter or debris.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 28, 2023, 12:21:47 PM
He has a point. If they were comfortable deciding to save a step securing the hatch 100% because it required extra effort, then what else were they skipping?
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 28, 2023, 12:34:33 PM
I found one person with some experience being in the sub saying there are spots on the one hatch for 18 bolts, but they normally only use 17 due to the 18th being up high. He stated that while he understands the tremendous pressure would keep the hatch firmly closed, he questions "why not use all 18?"
He has a point. If they were comfortable deciding to save a step securing the hatch 100% because it required extra effort, then what else were they skipping?
Wow. I mean, why make holes for 16 or 15 or 12? Guess 7 minute abs comes into question.
Post by: macsak on June 28, 2023, 12:39:26 PM
Post by: eyeeatingfish on June 28, 2023, 09:08:15 PM
Google.
They located wreckage and waited till now to announce, which is why the rescue sub wasnt sent in. Just as air ran out, they magically found the wreckage.Saying nothing found yet and suffocation happens is a sad story.
Or distraction for the Biden crime families lack of fair punishment. Attention shifts.
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A couple things I have heard on the issue
1. The USA has sound recording equipment all over the ocean. The existence isn't exactly private but the extent of the capabilities may not be. This may be one reason why they didn't announce anything combined with fact #2.
2. From my understanding, the listening devices heard a distinct explosion in that area. If the sub imploded then there would never have been a recovery option.
3. Equipment was rushed out there but it wasn't likely that it would have arrived on time to be set up and made much of a difference.
4. I don't think this story really distracted about Hunter's extremely light sentence. I saw/heard the story all over, even on NPR.
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 29, 2023, 09:11:02 AM
A couple things I have heard on the issue
1. The USA has sound recording equipment all over the ocean. The existence isn't exactly private but the extent of the capabilities may not be. This may be one reason why they didn't announce anything combined with fact #2.
2. From my understanding, the listening devices heard a distinct explosion in that area. If the sub imploded then there would never have been a recovery option.
3. Equipment was rushed out there but it wasn't likely that it would have arrived on time to be set up and made much of a difference.
4. I don't think this story really distracted about Hunter's extremely light sentence. I saw/heard the story all over, even on NPR.
Re-read what I posted about the USCG sub not being deployed. They knew what happened and didn't want to waste too much resources. But at the same time, the gov has to try and make a show. Equipment was rushed out, and it would have made a diff if the sub was found intact and in time. Like they located it quickly before oxygen ran out (96 hrs). So yes, it would have made a difference hypothetically.
Even till today, there's stories popping up on my feed about the Titan, nothing about Hunter. So a 1-2 day story and is gone compared to over a week. Or if it was a Trump kid, it would be still in the news. You have been tricked by the fake news's tactic. Good thing I'm here to point it out so you don't get fooled again.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 29, 2023, 09:45:14 AM
Re-read what I posted about the USCG sub not being deployed. They knew what happened and didn't want to waste too much resources. But at the same time, the gov has to try and make a show. Equipment was rushed out, and it would have made a diff if the sub was found intact and in time. Like they located it quickly before oxygen ran out (96 hrs). So yes, it would have made a difference hypothetically.
Even till today, there's stories popping up on my feed about the Titan, nothing about Hunter. So a 1-2 day story and is gone compared to over a week. Or if it was a Trump kid, it would be still in the news. You have been tricked by the fake news's tactic. Good thing I'm here to point it out so you don't get fooled again.
You're way too generous -- both in your willingness to help him and in your appraisal of his ability to stop being fooled in the name of "objectivity."
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 29, 2023, 10:28:23 AM
You're way too generous -- both in your willingness to help him and in your appraisal of his ability to stop being fooled in the name of "objectivity."
Even though we don't agree and thought experiments are sometimes used, I get what he's asking and he does use points to justify his statements. Those points don't have to be correct, but at least he tries. Compared to others who ignore all logic and have no points as to why they ignored all logic. This is why I'm willing to go into some details. But if the opinion is totally off the reservation, then I won't waste time.
Post by: Sodie on June 29, 2023, 05:52:58 PM
And yet they lied to the public about it to keep Hunter Biden documents out of the headlines
Where exactly did “they” lie?
Post by: Sodie on June 29, 2023, 05:58:14 PM
Re-read what I posted about the USCG sub not being deployed. They knew what happened and didn't want to waste too much resources. But at the same time, the gov has to try and make a show. Equipment was rushed out, and it would have made a diff if the sub was found intact and in time. Like they located it quickly before oxygen ran out (96 hrs). So yes, it would have made a difference hypothetically.
Even till today, there's stories popping up on my feed about the Titan, nothing about Hunter. So a 1-2 day story and is gone compared to over a week. Or if it was a Trump kid, it would be still in the news. You have been tricked by the fake news's tactic. Good thing I'm here to point it out so you don't get fooled again.
They didn’t KNOW what happened. They picked up sounds consistent with a catastrophic implosion in the general area of the Titanic wreck. Not the same as knowing, and if somebody I loved were on that submersible, I wouldn’t want rescuers to say “They heard something that sounded like an implosion. Well, I guess that’s it then, let’s go have a beer.”
Do you have a link to information about this USCG sub?
Post by: QUIETShooter on June 29, 2023, 06:42:58 PM
But they did not share it with the general public. Even if this information is not what the family members want to hear, you still need to share it. Sure, the Navy could not know for sure those sounds were the sounds of that submarine imploding and they even said so when sharing the information to the head of rescue operations.
Just share the information and let people decide whether they want to hold on to hope or not. Why they didn't share this information is why people are all bent out of shape.
And it doesn't mean you give up on rescue operations. You keep trying until all options and avenues are exhausted or physical evidence tells you to stop.
Post by: eyeeatingfish on June 29, 2023, 10:58:42 PM
Re-read what I posted about the USCG sub not being deployed. They knew what happened and didn't want to waste too much resources. But at the same time, the gov has to try and make a show. Equipment was rushed out, and it would have made a diff if the sub was found intact and in time. Like they located it quickly before oxygen ran out (96 hrs). So yes, it would have made a difference hypothetically.
Even till today, there's stories popping up on my feed about the Titan, nothing about Hunter. So a 1-2 day story and is gone compared to over a week. Or if it was a Trump kid, it would be still in the news. You have been tricked by the fake news's tactic. Good thing I'm here to point it out so you don't get fooled again.
What news sources do you use? If I heard NPR of all places covering the story I think you are hard pressed to claim the lefty media is suppressing the story. I mean you even had multiple reporters grilling KJP over the Hunter Biden story recently, this isn't a story you'' find only on Fox News anymore.
Sorry but I don't buy the conspiracy theory about the sub. It doesn't seem realistic. Even if they had begun moving equipment on day one, from the news I saw/heard it would have taken 2-3 days just to get there. It wasn't your average search and rescue of course.
Post by: eyeeatingfish on June 29, 2023, 11:00:18 PM
Yes, the Navy verified sounds of an implosion in the vicinity of where the sub was. And they shared this information with the head of rescue operations.
But they did not share it with the general public. Even if this information is not what the family members want to hear, you still need to share it. Sure, the Navy could not know for sure those sounds were the sounds of that submarine imploding and they even said so when sharing the information to the head of rescue operations.
Just share the information and let people decide whether they want to hold on to hope or not. Why they didn't share this information is why people are all bent out of shape.
And it doesn't mean you give up on rescue operations. You keep trying until all options and avenues are exhausted or physical evidence tells you to stop.
It may have been something considered classified or sensitive and if so that would explain why they didn't make it public.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 30, 2023, 12:52:45 AM
It may have been something considered classified or sensitive and if so that would explain why they didn't make it public.
Nope.
The sound was in the sub's area, but it was not definitive. The data was shared with those involved in the search. The decision makers factored it in with the SAR operations.
They chose to mobilize SAR units and accept international assistance until the status of the submersible was ascertained, or the death of the occupants was a certainty given their oxygen supply.
Publicizing a sound recording with no definitive cause doesn't benefit anyone -- especially those risking their lives in the search.
Post by: groveler on June 30, 2023, 06:45:50 AM
It may have been something considered classified or sensitive and if so that would explain why they didn't make it public.personally, my opinion,
is we don't have clue what the government
can spy upon
or can do.
that is why this one connection
is my one only.
:popcorn:
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 30, 2023, 08:37:53 AM
They didn’t KNOW what happened. They picked up sounds consistent with a catastrophic implosion in the general area of the Titanic wreck. Not the same as knowing, and if somebody I loved were on that submersible, I wouldn’t want rescuers to say “They heard something that sounded like an implosion. Well, I guess that’s it then, let’s go have a beer.”
Do you have a link to information about this USCG sub?
No, I read about it early on as people were asking why the special unit hasn't been deployed at all, as it does take time to sail to the area.
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 30, 2023, 08:45:46 AM
What news sources do you use? If I heard NPR of all places covering the story I think you are hard pressed to claim the lefty media is suppressing the story. I mean you even had multiple reporters grilling KJP over the Hunter Biden story recently, this isn't a story you'' find only on Fox News anymore.
Sorry but I don't buy the conspiracy theory about the sub. It doesn't seem realistic. Even if they had begun moving equipment on day one, from the news I saw/heard it would have taken 2-3 days just to get there. It wasn't your average search and rescue of course.
I don't remember, nor saved the links.
So if it takes 2-3 days just to get there; did the government say no sense deploy it? No they didn't.
You're right that this wasn't your average SAR, it was much easier in the aspect that the SAR area was much narrower. Compare this to another type of ship lost at sea, it could be hundreds/thousands of square miles. The titanic wreckage is spread out over 2000 feet from the 2 main parts. Which makes the area of probability smaller than a lost ship or plane.
Here's what should have been said by the gov: "We heard an implosion in the area of the Titan. This isn't 100%, so we will search until we can find visual confirmation. But at the same time, they only have 96hrs of oxygen, so we have to hurry".
Instead of: Lets search cause we got 96hrs. Then shortly after the 96hr window, they heard an implosion in the area days ago. And we left the best deep sea rescue sub docked.
Post by: QUIETShooter on June 30, 2023, 08:58:36 AM
It may have been something considered classified or sensitive and if so that would explain why they didn't make it public.
I find it hard to believe that classified or sensitive was the reason they didn't make it public. They also discovered "banging" sounds and shared that information, so "listening technologies" is not something nobody knows about.
I don't think anybody would have pressed the Navy to disclose the equipment and technology that enabled them to discover those sounds.
Was "banging" sounds more hopeful than sounds of a possible fatal "implosion"?
Gotta admit banging sounds lend for a more dramatic and drawn out story.
What is concerning to me is how much, if any, information is being shared with the public, where transparency was never a concern in the past but is ever more prevalent and suspect nowadays.
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 30, 2023, 09:20:53 AM
It may have been something considered classified or sensitive and if so that would explain why they didn't make it public.
If it's classified, then why did they talk about it now?
Post by: zippz on June 30, 2023, 10:59:31 AM
It took a while for the Navy to announce the same thing in the Kursk incident and others.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 30, 2023, 03:41:31 PM
Post by: ren on June 30, 2023, 04:08:31 PM
https://youtu.be/a01QQZyl-_Itoo early
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 30, 2023, 04:19:59 PM
too early
I waited as long as i could!
:geekdanc: :popcorn:
Post by: Sodie on June 30, 2023, 04:20:40 PM
Yes, the Navy verified sounds of an implosion in the vicinity of where the sub was. And they shared this information with the head of rescue operations.
But they did not share it with the general public. Even if this information is not what the family members want to hear, you still need to share it. Sure, the Navy could not know for sure those sounds were the sounds of that submarine imploding and they even said so when sharing the information to the head of rescue operations.
Just share the information and let people decide whether they want to hold on to hope or not. Why they didn't share this information is why people are all bent out of shape.
And it doesn't mean you give up on rescue operations. You keep trying until all options and avenues are exhausted or physical evidence tells you to stop.
No, the Navy didn’t “verify sounds of an implosion.” That’s not what they’d say. They’d say they picked up sounds consistent with an implosion, but they’re unable to say with certainty. And the responders would continue with rescue efforts until they could verify that there was no chance of survival.
And, when your highly sensitive, super-secret submarine detection network picks something up like that, it’s going to take a minute before you decide whether you can release that info to the public. Did you read somewhere that they didn’t tell the families?
Post by: Sodie on June 30, 2023, 04:38:20 PM
If you only look for conspiracies, you’ll find them everywhere…
Post by: QUIETShooter on June 30, 2023, 05:30:59 PM
No, the Navy didn’t “verify sounds of an implosion.” That’s not what they’d say. They’d say they picked up sounds consistent with an implosion, but they’re unable to say with certainty. And the responders would continue with rescue efforts until they could verify that there was no chance of survival.
And, when your highly sensitive, super-secret submarine detection network picks something up like that, it’s going to take a minute before you decide whether you can release that info to the public. Did you read somewhere that they didn’t tell the families?
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/titan-families-told-potential-implosion-sound-navy-detected/story?id=100341339#:~:text=The%20U.S.%20Coast%20Guard%20informed%20the%20families%20of,knowledge%20Thursday%20evening%2C%20a%20defense%20official%20said%20Friday.
The Coast Guard stated that the Navy's findings did not 100% verify that the titan has indeed imploded so the decision to continue rescue efforts will continue to the very end.
I'm fine with that and admire their determination. However, what was so wrong with sharing this information earlier on in the week? Classified or super duper secret, is there a difference by withholding information almost 4 days later while the media has a field day talking about banging noises and the drama of 96 hrs of oxygen?
And I don't buy the "it takes time before this information can be made public". The article clearly states that the decision of making the information public fell on the Coast Guard. Not the Navy.
Post by: Sodie on June 30, 2023, 05:42:21 PM
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/titan-families-told-potential-implosion-sound-navy-detected/story?id=100341339#:~:text=The%20U.S.%20Coast%20Guard%20informed%20the%20families%20of,knowledge%20Thursday%20evening%2C%20a%20defense%20official%20said%20Friday.
The Coast Guard stated that the Navy's findings did not 100% verify that the titan has indeed imploded so the decision to continue rescue efforts will continue to the very end.
I'm fine with that and admire their determination. However, what was so wrong with sharing this information earlier on in the week? Classified or super duper secret, is there a difference by withholding information almost 4 days later while the media has a field day talking about banging noises and the drama of 96 hrs of oxygen?
And I don't buy the "it takes time before this information can be made public". The article clearly states that the decision of making the information public fell on the Coast Guard. Not the Navy.
The fact that “you don’t buy it” doesn’t mean it’s untrue. I expect the responsible officials in the Coast Guard were weighing the benefit of publicly releasing the information against the potential damage to national security. Those decisions take time, and given the lack of any real benefit of public release, as I see it, I get why they may not have been in a big hurry to release.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 30, 2023, 06:04:06 PM
Joe Biden needed a "Tail wagging the dog" story.
The media needed clicks and advertising dollars.
So, Homeland Security told the Coast Guard to delay releasing any information that might spoil the anticipation of finding the Titan no matter its fate. Drama attracts eyes, and eyes mean click$$$.
Quid pro quo for all the help the media has given the Biden campaign and administration.
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
Post by: Sodie on June 30, 2023, 06:53:24 PM
The truth is much simpler.
Joe Biden needed a "Tail wagging the dog" story.
The media needed clicks and advertising dollars.
So, Homeland Security told the Coast Guard to delay releasing any information that might spoil the anticipation of finding the Titan no matter its fate. Drama attracts eyes, and eyes mean click$$$.
Quid pro quo for all the help the media has given the Biden campaign and administration.
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
::)
Post by: QUIETShooter on June 30, 2023, 06:59:21 PM
The truth is much simpler.
Joe Biden needed a "Tail wagging the dog" story.
The media needed clicks and advertising dollars.
So, Homeland Security told the Coast Guard to delay releasing any information that might spoil the anticipation of finding the Titan no matter its fate. Drama attracts eyes, and eyes mean click$$$.
Quid pro quo for all the help the media has given the Biden campaign and administration.
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
I just didn't know how to say it in words but this is what I was leaning towards. Thank you Sir Flapp :worship:
Call it conspiracy, drama enticement, clicks$$$ whatever. In my opinion the events leading up to the climax makes more sense in this context.
Post by: Sodie on June 30, 2023, 07:16:28 PM
I just didn't know how to say it in words but this is what I was leaning towards. Thank you Sir Flapp :worship:
Call it conspiracy, drama enticement, clicks$$$ whatever. In my opinion the events leading up to the climax makes more sense in this context.
If you only look for conspiracies, you’ll find them everywhere…
Post by: hvybarrels on June 30, 2023, 07:39:48 PM
If you only look for conspiracies, you’ll find them everywhere…
1, They knew.
2. They acted like they didn't know.
3. This all took place as the exact same time as damning evidence of an epic presidential scandal was coming out and the corporate media refused to cover it.
4. This isn't the first time.
Post by: eyeeatingfish on June 30, 2023, 08:16:19 PM
I don't remember, nor saved the links.
So if it takes 2-3 days just to get there; did the government say no sense deploy it? No they didn't.
You're right that this wasn't your average SAR, it was much easier in the aspect that the SAR area was much narrower. Compare this to another type of ship lost at sea, it could be hundreds/thousands of square miles. The titanic wreckage is spread out over 2000 feet from the 2 main parts. Which makes the area of probability smaller than a lost ship or plane.
Here's what should have been said by the gov: "We heard an implosion in the area of the Titan. This isn't 100%, so we will search until we can find visual confirmation. But at the same time, they only have 96hrs of oxygen, so we have to hurry".
Instead of: Lets search cause we got 96hrs. Then shortly after the 96hr window, they heard an implosion in the area days ago. And we left the best deep sea rescue sub docked.
If everything you say or suspect is true, what would be the motive? Why delay their response?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 30, 2023, 11:16:40 PM
If everything you say or suspect is true, what would be the motive? Why delay their response?
Pay attention. We said it multiple times.
#1 - to avoid telling the people going to search their efforts are futile. People who know they will fail are less likely to try.
#2 - Tail wagging the dog -- Lots of bad news for the Bidens last week, and a distraction was just what they needed to keep the dem-voting sheeple from hearing about it day after day. With nothing better to report, there would have been much more coverage than was given to the corruption scandals and lawlessness of the Bidens.
#3 - To help the media (the gate keepers for the Democrats) make money while the Bidens benefit, too. (See #2).
The Left is always trying to control the narrative. If there's something bad in the news, they look for ways to overshadow it. Lies only get you so far for so long. Having a crisis pop up is directly from their playbook.
Post by: Sodie on July 01, 2023, 07:17:03 AM
1, They knew.
2. They acted like they didn't know.
3. This all took place as the exact same time as damning evidence of an epic presidential scandal was coming out and the corporate media refused to cover it.
4. This isn't the first time.
They didn’t “know,” they picked up a sound consistent with an implosion or explosion but didn’t “know” a) that it was in fact an implosion or explosion, or b) if it was, that it was in fact the Titan instead of something else.
The information came from a system with national security considerations, which certainly could have been a factor in the decision to release.
If you only look for conspiracies, you’ll find them everywhere…
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 01, 2023, 08:55:51 AM
An alarming amount of people are losing trust in the above 3.
Question authority. Always.
Post by: Sodie on July 01, 2023, 08:59:40 AM
One thing I know for sure. Conspiracy theories thrive when government, media, and the leaders of a nation lose credibility and trust of the people.
An alarming amount of people are losing trust in the above 3.
Question authority. Always.
Sure, always question authority. Also, always keep Occam’s razor in mind.
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 01, 2023, 09:56:47 AM
Post by: groveler on July 01, 2023, 10:38:34 AM
Nah. No need that razor on this one.You always do
KISS.
I earned an A- in statistics at university.
It is all about the odds.,
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 01, 2023, 04:03:59 PM
2017 ARA San Juan sub. Noise equivellent to 12000lbs of TNT when the sub imploded. They were able to caluclate the depth and location.
"U can find a conspiracy if u look hard enough" is what they want u to believe by making said conspiracy theorist look like theyre paranoid.
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Post by: Sodie on July 01, 2023, 04:09:57 PM
It isnt top secret tech that heard the sub crushed. Thats what they tell u so u dont question the timing.
2017 ARA San Juan sub. Noise equivellent to 12000lbs of TNT when the sub imploded. They were able to caluclate the depth and location.
"U can find a conspiracy if u look hard enough" is what they want u to believe by making said conspiracy theorist look like theyre paranoid.
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So not just a conspiracy, but a conspiracy ABOUT conspiracies! A meta-conspiracy! That’s some inception kinda stuff, there.
And, just incidentally, the ARA San Juan event was detected by seismic anomaly monitoring equipment. The U.S. Navy’s surveillance systems probably also heard it… but probably didn’t say anything about it, maybe because OPSEC. 🤷♂️
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 01, 2023, 06:06:23 PM
So not just a conspiracy, but a conspiracy ABOUT conspiracies! A meta-conspiracy! That’s some inception kinda stuff, there.Like trace bustah, bustah, bustah (The Big Hit).
And, just incidentally, the ARA San Juan event was detected by seismic anomaly monitoring equipment. The U.S. Navy’s surveillance systems probably also heard it… but probably didn’t say anything about it, maybe because OPSEC.
In 2017, if 1 military has the tech, its safe to assume others and esp the US has it and its even better. Then add in 6 years of tech advancement.
LMK if u like one hat and membership card.
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Post by: Sodie on July 01, 2023, 06:15:59 PM
Like trace bustah, bustah, bustah (The Big Hit).
In 2017, if 1 military has the tech, its safe to assume others and esp the US has it and its even better. Then add in 6 years of tech advancement.
LMK if u like one hat and membership card.
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It wasn’t military. It was the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty Organization, and it was seismic anomaly monitoring equipment, not early warning sonar.
Post by: ren on July 01, 2023, 08:38:09 PM
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 02, 2023, 09:34:59 AM
One thing I know for sure. Conspiracy theories thrive when government, media, and the leaders of a nation lose credibility and trust of the people.
An alarming amount of people are losing trust in the above 3.
Question authority. Always.
https://original.newsbreak.com/@cheryl-e-preston-1594046/3068887051082-some-southwest-virginians-disagree-on-the-way-the-coast-guard-handled-the-knowledge-of-a-possible-implosion-on-sunday
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 02, 2023, 09:56:02 AM
https://original.newsbreak.com/@cheryl-e-preston-1594046/3068887051082-some-southwest-virginians-disagree-on-the-way-the-coast-guard-handled-the-knowledge-of-a-possible-implosion-on-sundaySome Southwest Virginians disagree on the way the
Coast Guard handled the knowledge of a possible
implosion on Sunday
"Some?" No matter what it is, there's always going to be "some" who are angry, upset, disappointed and disagree.
You can't make everyone happy no matter what decisions you make.
That's a fact, Jack! :thumbsup: :geekdanc:
Post by: oldfart on July 02, 2023, 11:22:38 AM
Some Southwest Virginians disagree on the way the....
Coast Guard handled the knowledge of a possible
implosion on Sunday
"Some?" No matter what it is, there's always going to be "some" who are angry, upset, disappointed and disagree.
You can't make everyone happy no matter what decisions you make.
That's a fact, Jack! :thumbsup: :geekdanc:
Boy, ain't that the truth.
Post by: macsak on July 07, 2023, 09:48:20 PM
Post by: eyeeatingfish on July 12, 2023, 08:59:47 PM
Pay attention. We said it multiple times.
#1 - to avoid telling the people going to search their efforts are futile. People who know they will fail are less likely to try.
A pretty weak theory... we are going to spend loads of money so we can look like we are looking all just to avoid telling them there is no hope?
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#2 - Tail wagging the dog -- Lots of bad news for the Bidens last week, and a distraction was just what they needed to keep the dem-voting sheeple from hearing about it day after day. With nothing better to report, there would have been much more coverage than was given to the corruption scandals and lawlessness of the Bidens.
Also a pretty weak theory. The bad news for Biden that week still got covered.
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#3 - To help the media (the gate keepers for the Democrats) make money while the Bidens benefit, too. (See #2).
The Left is always trying to control the narrative. If there's something bad in the news, they look for ways to overshadow it. Lies only get you so far for so long. Having a crisis pop up is directly from their playbook.
Sorry, not buying this one.
Post by: macsak on July 14, 2023, 07:48:01 PM