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General Topics => Strategies and Tactics => Topic started by: glockfanboy808 on July 30, 2023, 11:19:36 AM
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Glock 26 vs Glock 43x mos for ccw. Have both but Glock 43x is definitely harder to shoot than the 26 in my opinion due to Glock 43x trigger. 26 also has pinky extenders. Might just get the 26 milled.
What’s your guys opinions?
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If both hold the same 10rds, go with what u shoot better.
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Another 'rule of thumb" is to carry the one that's easier and more comfortable for you to carry.
Doesn't matter which one you shoot better if the dimensions and weight make you less likely to carry every single time you leave the house.
Murphy will be watching.
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If both hold the same 10rds, go with what u shoot better.
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You can shoot your sheild plus accurately?
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Glock 26 vs Glock 43x mos for ccw. Have both but Glock 43x is definitely harder to shoot than the 26 in my opinion due to Glock 43x trigger. 26 also has pinky extenders. Might just get the 26 milled.
What’s your guys opinions?
43x harder to shoot b/c of the trigger? How many rounds with each?
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43x harder to shoot b/c of the trigger? How many rounds with each?
400 with Glock 43x
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I don't see a trigger as an unsolvable problem. I put an aftermarket trigger in my G26. i also use the pinky extenders on my mags.
i'm sure they make aftermarket triggers for the 43X, too.
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400 with Glock 43x
I have a 43x with Overwatch trigger. I have maybe 1200ish. Glock stock triggers do change with more rounds, as the tooling makes and other things get “worked”. I’m guessing the 26 is older and a lot more rounds.
There are lots of aftermarket triggers, as mentioned by others. I shot my early 17s with stock triggers for years. Recently Apex and Johnny Glock are my faves.
I shoot the 43x decently well, but I like the grip dimensions of the 17 overall.
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You can shoot your sheild plus accurately?
Yes. But to be fair, its my only pistol with a RDS. So this may be the reason why im just as accurate as all my other pistols.
U need to figure out whats "good enough" for u. 21ft rule is hard to miss. Hitting an index card at 25yrds is a diff situation.
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***update
FYI, I was the only one in the group to pass with a 100% for my shooting qual's. But the max distance is 15yrds. So refer to the above about the index card.
HDF skill builders has taught me well.
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Two aspects...
Which one is more comfortable? If you don't like to wear it then you might not have it when you want it.
Which one can you shoot better? A fancier gun might not help if you have a harder time getting rounds on center mass.
As far as a red dot I don't really think red dots are great for CCW. Makes the gun a little larger, a little heavier, a little harder to conceal, and one more thing to get caught on a draw.
I had a glock 23 which ironically I could shoot better than my 19 or my 17... I regret selling it.
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Another 'rule of thumb" is to carry the one that's easier and more comfortable for you to carry.
Doesn't matter which one you shoot better if the dimensions and weight make you less likely to carry every single time you leave the house.
Murphy will be watching.
agreed. must be comfortable to carry
I know I'm a rookie in CCW.
but with my 1 week of carrying, and a choice between my G19 with Holosun red dot and WML and my Sig P365 stock with no dot or light, I have only carried the Sig bc it goes better with what I'm wearing usually shorts and t-shirt, and more concealable and smaller easier to carry. also have a separate slide with red dot for the Sig, so that's also an option, but running the stock slide now
if I feel the need for a light and dot, and my attire suits the setup, then I'll use the Glock
the stock configuration on the Sig P365 just feels better and I'm choosing it more often. but it's always good to have choices too. that's why I tested for both. I wanted to do a revolver too, but maybe next year
on the proficiency test I got a 124 with the Glock and a 122 with the Sig, and my groupings were pretty tight. so either one will do the job. accuracy is great, but getting off the first shot quickly is better. even if you don't hit center mass, as long as you hit something and you can follow up fast, that's what counts in a gun fight, IMO
I see my self defense scenarios being very close quarter, so red dot is not so important. nice to have one vs not having one but I don't think it's a real game changer in civilian self defense
that's my opinion. take it for what it's worth :shaka:
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agreed. must be comfortable to carry
I know I'm a rookie in CCW.
but with my 1 week of carrying, and a choice between my G19 with Holosun red dot and WML and my Sig P365 stock with no dot or light, I have only carried the Sig bc it goes better with what I'm wearing usually shorts and t-shirt, and more concealable and smaller easier to carry. also have a separate slide with red dot for the Sig, so that's also an option, but running the stock slide now
if I feel the need for a light and dot, and my attire suits the setup, then I'll use the Glock
the stock configuration on the Sig P365 just feels better and I'm choosing it more often. but it's always good to have choices too. that's why I tested for both. I wanted to do a revolver too, but maybe next year
on the proficiency test I got a 124 with the Glock and a 122 with the Sig, and my groupings were pretty tight. so either one will do the job. accuracy is great, but getting off the first shot quickly is better. even if you don't hit center mass, as long as you hit something and you can follow up fast, that's what counts in a gun fight, IMO
I see my self defense scenarios being very close quarter, so red dot is not so important. nice to have one vs not having one but I don't think it's a real game changer in civilian self defense
that's my opinion. take it for what it's worth :shaka:
True. Distance is always going to be a factor both accuracy-wise and legally.
Close proximity means you probably won't even have to aim -- just point & shoot.
Also, since you live in Hawaii, you'll be scrutinized if you shot someone more than, say, 20 feet away. if you can't state you felt your life was in danger, the state will argue you could have done many other things other than shoot.
If others were in danger, you could have that going for you as justification, but if you stop the guy pointing/firing a gun before he wounds or kills, the defense could offer many alternative intentions other than harming others.
Anyway, I remember the story of several employees being held at gun point after their business closed. The robber was walking the employees to a back room -- where he could have eliminated all the witnesses. An armed employee was slightly behind the robber, pulled his concealed firearm, and fired point blank into the back of the man's head.
Every situation will vary. Being close enough to not miss AND having the opportunity to draw unnoticed are good things, but you can't depend on them.
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Have both but Glock 43x is definitely harder to shoot than the 26 in my opinion due to Glock 43x trigger.
Exactly how is the trigger giving you problems? If it's trigger finger placement due to the thinner grip, then you just have to adjust your grip and trigger press. If you have really large hands then you might just need to have a larger grip gun.
I have medium size hands. A Glock 17 duty grip is larger than optimal for me, but it's what I use for work and gotta make do. Just takes more practice to be proficient with it.
My Glock 48, similar to the 43X, is just a tad smaller than optimal for me. I can shoot it well.
Glock 43 subcompact has the thinnest grip. It took me quite a bit of practice to shoot it good.
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As far as a red dot I don't really think red dots are great for CCW. Makes the gun a little larger, a little heavier, a little harder to conceal, and one more thing to get caught on a draw.
Small red dot optics don't change much when it comes to concealability, weight, and draw speed. Nothing to worry about.
At the same time, they don't improve shooting speed and accuracy at close distances most defensive encounters occur at. Rather they are really good at farther distances and low light especially in smaller guns.
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Small red dot optics don't change much when it comes to concealability, weight, and draw speed. Nothing to worry about.
At the same time, they don't improve shooting speed and accuracy at close distances most defensive encounters occur at. Rather they are really good at farther distances and low light especially in smaller guns.
There's another important factor with red dots: confidence.
It's a proven fact that armed civilians will almost always hold their fire if they are not certain they can safely hit their target (safe for others near the target).
If a red dot increases the carrier's confidence that he CAN hit what he wants, he is more likely to shoot. Lack of confidence with iron sights might prevent him from pulling the trigger.
One other thing that might factor in is how one uses iron sights vs. a red dot. I find it much easier to aim with both eyes open using a red dot. Iron sights are a struggle since i'm cross-dominant. I'm better on iron sights with my non-dominant eye closed. The drawback is I don't have the field of vision I would otherwise. That can be important when focusing on the front sight, the intended target and, on top of all that, making sure what's in front of, behind and maybe running between you and the target. Two eyes open will decrease tunnel vision so you don't squeeze at the exact moment a person runs between the two of you.
YMMV, so practice, practice, practice.
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As far as a red dot I don't really think red dots are great for CCW. Makes the gun a little larger, a little heavier, a little harder to conceal, and one more thing to get caught on a draw.
Have you carried with RDS a lot?
I have carried (albeit not often locally) with RDS for a while and never noticed a difference in weight or getting caught up. I've been to a few RDS courses and a couple CCW and issues of weight or getting hung up weren't a thing, at least with solid garment control and draw method. There are some minor grip tweaks that are intended for efficiency but can also help with concerns about the RDS getting hung up.
Overall, yeah, I'm a "true believer" in RDS on handguns. Like many things, have to try and give it a chance.
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At the same time, they don't improve shooting speed and accuracy at close distances most defensive encounters occur at. Rather they are really good at farther distances and low light especially in smaller guns.
Check out folks like Donovan (Point 1 Tactics), Scott J (MSP), etc. They discuss that in their courses, along with recent data. While they freely admit the data isn't "complete" by any means, it dispells many common misconceptions about RDS handguns and correlation with speed and accuracy.
Yeah, at 3 yards, there are other aiming methods that are likely "good enough" (as CMO likes to say). However, need to keep in mind context of distances of "most defensive encounters".
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Have you carried with RDS a lot?
I have carried (albeit not often locally) with RDS for a while and never noticed a difference in weight or getting caught up. I've been to a few RDS courses and a couple CCW and issues of weight or getting hung up weren't a thing, at least with solid garment control and draw method. There are some minor grip tweaks that are intended for efficiency but can also help with concerns about the RDS getting hung up.
Overall, yeah, I'm a "true believer" in RDS on handguns. Like many things, have to try and give it a chance.
I haven't but I have been considering it.
Maybe it is just me but I tend to bang into things so I worry about getting it caught on things.
I did however order a glock 19 Gen 5 MOS so I may end up with a red dot on it soon.
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I haven't but I have been considering it.
Maybe it is just me but I tend to bang into things so I worry about getting it caught on things.
I did however order a glock 19 Gen 5 MOS so I may end up with a red dot on it soon.
"Trust, but verify"
I like to try for myself for many things, especially firearms. For durability, zero shift, there's lots of tests on those for the "usual suspects" of RDS, including in the context of professional use. So the technology is tested. A Glock 19 MOS is a good gateway to RDS pistols, especially now with lots of solid and "better prices" options like Holosun.
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I haven't but I have been considering it.
Maybe it is just me but I tend to bang into things so I worry about getting it caught on things.
I did however order a glock 19 Gen 5 MOS so I may end up with a red dot on it soon.
It wont, no worry.
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It wont, no worry.
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I walk by tables and they magically slide out in front of me!
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"Trust, but verify"
I like to try for myself for many things, especially firearms. For durability, zero shift, there's lots of tests on those for the "usual suspects" of RDS, including in the context of professional use. So the technology is tested. A Glock 19 MOS is a good gateway to RDS pistols, especially now with lots of solid and "better prices" options like Holosun.
I have no firsthand experience with Holosun but just knowing it is a chinese company makes me not interested in them for a combat type optic. Not saying all Chinese stuff is bad but for something like that i'd personally go American if possible.
I have no idea which one I might end up getting. Leupold seems solid and so does trijicon. Not sure what to think about sig red dots, Sig is good but it seems made by a third party based on the price they seem to go for. I have a burris pistol size RDS on a shotgun with no complaints. Was looking at Steiner as well, seem like a good quality brand.
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I have no firsthand experience with Holosun but just knowing it is a chinese company makes me not interested in them for a combat type optic. Not saying all Chinese stuff is bad but for something like that i'd personally go American if possible.
I have no idea which one I might end up getting. Leupold seems solid and so does trijicon. Not sure what to think about sig red dots, Sig is good but it seems made by a third party based on the price they seem to go for. I have a burris pistol size RDS on a shotgun with no complaints. Was looking at Steiner as well, seem like a good quality brand.
If you want tried and true, and “combat style”, go RMR Type 2. You’re still going to pay quite a bit for those, even with the newer versions just released.
There’s LOTS of videos covering RDS. I personally only have one Holosun, but it’s no cheap Chinesium. Most of my RDS pistols have RMR and one Acro. The Steiner has good reviews, but I’ve never tried one.
Anyways, this discussion prob warrants a separate topic at this point. :stopjack: