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General Topics => Political Discussion => Topic started by: eyeeatingfish on August 05, 2023, 10:29:07 PM

Title: A good introspection piece by someone on the left
Post by: eyeeatingfish on August 05, 2023, 10:29:07 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/what-if-anti-trumpers-are-the-bad-guys/

What if anti-Trumpers are the bad guys?
Title: Re: A good introspection piece by someone on the left
Post by: groveler on August 06, 2023, 08:18:41 AM
https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/what-if-anti-trumpers-are-the-bad-guys/

What if anti-Trumpers are the bad guys?
"Does this mean that I think the people in my class are vicious and evil? No, most of us are earnest, kind and public spirited. But we take for granted and benefit from systems that have become oppressive. Elite institutions have become so politically progressive in part because the people in them want to feel good about themselves as they take part in systems that exclude and reject."

The guy is an arrogant ass, that still doesn't "Get it".
What is his class? His class is like all elites, that being a$$hole.
 >:D
Title: Re: A good introspection piece by someone on the left
Post by: eyeeatingfish on August 06, 2023, 09:21:49 PM
"Does this mean that I think the people in my class are vicious and evil? No, most of us are earnest, kind and public spirited. But we take for granted and benefit from systems that have become oppressive. Elite institutions have become so politically progressive in part because the people in them want to feel good about themselves as they take part in systems that exclude and reject."

The guy is an arrogant ass, that still doesn't "Get it".
What is his class? His class is like all elites, that being a$$hole.
 >:D

Arrogant?
My takeaway was that he recognized that people in his circle mean well but that they have become guilty of virtue signaling and hypocrisy.
Title: Re: A good introspection piece by someone on the left
Post by: Jaco808 on August 07, 2023, 09:57:37 AM
In my opinion the anti Trumpers and the Trumpers are both bad.   They are the extremes. They should be in the middle and judge Trump based on his words and actions. I think Trump has done good and bad.  Also everyone believe in the justice system.   I personally think Trump is a criminal.   The actions on Jan 6 and after are illegal.
Title: Re: A good introspection piece by someone on the left
Post by: macsak on August 07, 2023, 10:45:07 AM
cool story, bro...

In my opinion the anti Trumpers and the Trumpers are both bad.   They are the extremes. They should be in the middle and judge Trump based on his words and actions. I think Trump has done good and bad.  Also everyone believe in the justice system.   I personally think Trump is a criminal.   The actions on Jan 6 and after are illegal.
Title: Re: A good introspection piece by someone on the left
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 07, 2023, 10:59:06 AM
In my opinion the anti Trumpers and the Trumpers are both bad.   They are the extremes. They should be in the middle and judge Trump based on his words and actions. I think Trump has done good and bad.  Also everyone believe in the justice system.   I personally think Trump is a criminal.   The actions on Jan 6 and after are illegal.

What illegal "actions' did Trump take on January 6th, 2021?

And don't say things like, "He incited an insurrection."  That's not an action -- that's an alleged result.

Example:

ACTION:  He ran a stop sign and hit another vehicle.

RESULT (Not an action):  He caused a car crash.
               * There are many actions that could have caused the car crash --
                 a distracted driver, swerving into another lane without signaling, etc. *

Hopefully that example avoids the regurgitation of Liberal/Democrat/Anti-Trump talking points.
Title: Re: A good introspection piece by someone on the left
Post by: hvybarrels on August 07, 2023, 11:38:17 AM
When the Normies finally wake up there will be hell to pay. Hopefully our nation can hold together in spite of the coming chaos.

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/normies-awake/

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Title: Re: A good introspection piece by someone on the left
Post by: groveler on August 07, 2023, 04:15:37 PM
Arrogant?
My takeaway was that he recognized that people in his circle mean well but that they have become guilty of virtue signaling and hypocrisy.
You must be a Democrat you don't know when you are being insulted by a professional word slinger.
 :wtf:
Title: Re: A good introspection piece by someone on the left
Post by: eyeeatingfish on August 07, 2023, 11:03:08 PM
In my opinion the anti Trumpers and the Trumpers are both bad.   They are the extremes. They should be in the middle and judge Trump based on his words and actions. I think Trump has done good and bad.  Also everyone believe in the justice system.   I personally think Trump is a criminal.   The actions on Jan 6 and after are illegal.

Amen brother but good like finding friends in that circle. If you are a centrist/middle/objective then both sides will see you as the other side. To the far left a centrist looks like he is on the right and to the far right a centrist looks like he is on the left.

I don't think Trump broke the law on Jan 6th though, at least not from the evidence I have seen, so I disagree with you on that point.
Title: Re: A good introspection piece by someone on the left
Post by: eyeeatingfish on August 07, 2023, 11:04:34 PM
You must be a Democrat you don't know when you are being insulted by a professional word slinger.
 :wtf:

I think you misunderstand the author's point.
Arrogant people tend not to blame themselves for things (which the author is doing)