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General Topics => Political Discussion => Topic started by: Flapp_Jackson on August 12, 2023, 05:32:54 PM
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Feds Spend Billions to Fund
Civil Asset Forfeiture Seizures
$6B of treasury funds spent ... $45B seized under CAF. The money is spent in part to hire contractors to investigate and research assets of LE targets.
https://youtu.be/eZUuXnBYego
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Huge issue. Both state and federal governments think they're entitled to every cent you've earned, and probably already paid taxes on. Citizens who keep assets in cash or precious metals are right to be scared about the collapse of our banking system, but the government does not want you to protect yourself by remaining liquid. When I worked in Arizona, it was likely that most paper cash was tainted by drug residue, and anytime you were stopped by CBP, a dog could sniff it out, if the agent got too nosey. But officer, "I carry a large amount of money to gamble at the nearby casinos." Sorry, buddy, but you look like a drug dealer. We're radioing highway patrol.
I understand that in some of Lehto's videos, money was seized from safe deposit boxes. There goes that idea for keeping your money in a safe place.
Moral of this story: buy a bloodhound who can sniff out drug money, and exchange bad bills at your local bank. You're innocent, but the money you get at a club may not be clean. Don't comingle new money with old money, until you verify that the new stash is clean.
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Huge issue. Both state and federal governments think they're entitled to every cent you've earned, and probably already paid taxes on. Citizens who keep assets in cash or precious metals are right to be scared about the collapse of our banking system, but the government does not want you to protect yourself by remaining liquid. When I worked in Arizona, it was likely that most paper cash was tainted by drug residue, and anytime you were stopped by CBP, a dog could sniff it out, if the agent got too nosey. But officer, "I carry a large amount of money to gamble at the nearby casinos." Sorry, buddy, but you look like a drug dealer. We're radioing highway patrol.
I understand that in some of Lehto's videos, money was seized from safe deposit boxes. There goes that idea for keeping your money in a safe place.
Moral of this story: buy a bloodhound who can sniff out drug money, and exchange bad bills at your local bank. You're innocent, but the money you get at a club may not be clean. Don't comingle new money with old money, until you verify that the new stash is clean.
The safe deposit box debacle videos warrant a complete watching. Basic details;
A private company offered safe deposit boxes to the public. Because it was private, they didn't have to follow all the federal rules banks and credit unions do.
Law enforcement decided the only people who would use this private service as opposed to a bank would be criminals trying to hide illegal activity and wealth.
They also had a suspicion the owners of the facility were laundering money. So, they went to a judge for a warrant. The warrant was issued with the stipulation that no CUSTOMER boxes were part of the searh.
The cops executed the warrant and actually opened the customer boxes -- using the excuse they were "inventorying them." During that inventory, LE decided some of the loot was "obviously" proceeds from criminal activity -- like large sums of cash and gold. They then seized those boxes' contents and forced the owners to sue for return. No charges were filed against those people, and no warrant was sought to cover the contents.
That's an example where the cops disregarded the warrant, kept property without due process, and now owners have to prove their innocence against NO CRIMINAL CHARGES. This is why LE uses CIVIL asset forfeiture. It lands in civil court, so crimes do not have to be established.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTNF6Y_rers
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When it costs almost twice as much to get your money back as what the government stole from you ...
https://youtu.be/eAP4i0XV9iM
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I own no cash, metals, and stones.
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I own no cash, metals, and stones.
What do you think about gold plates?
Get in a gun fight and you can use the spalling to buy lunch for your boys when it's over.
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Sheesh, nobody owns anything on this forum.....
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Sheesh, nobody owns anything on this forum.....
I own no access hardware to access this forum.
Sent from my SM-G991U using Tapatalk
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Sheesh, nobody owns anything on this forum.....
And we are all happy not owning anything
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Does anybody really own things?
Or do things own us?
Think about how much work and expense is involved in storing, maintaining and using things.
We are slaves to our stuff.
https://youtu.be/JLoge6QzcGY
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And we are all happy not owning anything
Zee bugs are delicious, btw
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Does anybody really own things?
Or do things own us?
Think about how much work and expense is involved in storing, maintaining and using things.
We are slaves to our stuff.
https://youtu.be/JLoge6QzcGY
"Does anybody really own things?"
Not really. what we do own is the exclusive right to use that item as we see fit.
within the constraints society enforces on us.
That being said I'll kill any government that seeks to deprive me of my God given rights.
:grrr:
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Another case of "policing for profit."
Only this time the police are refusing to comply with a court order to give the money they seized to the girl who was the victim of a sexual predator who's now in prison.
The police are hiding behind a process where they give the money they seize to the feds for no actual reason other than the feds will then share the money with the police department. That way the Cops can claim the money they have is from the Feds, not from the person they took it from.
:wtf:
This stuff should never happen in the United States.
https://youtu.be/g1CMRyWRlGY
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If you are traveling through Atlanta or any other major airport, don't be surprised someone in plain clothes and no badge displayed (only airport credentials) starts questioning you on the jet bridge between showing your boarding pass and the door to the aircraft. You have already cleared all TSA security checkpoints and you are actively boarding your flight.
The person or people will ask to see your ID and begin to ask about what you have in your carry-on. They may also ask if they can take a look inside.
To almost everyone, the passengers being stopped think those are airline employees. However, they are probably plain clothes DEA agents, and they are looking for drugs and cash -- but mostly cash.
This is the new wave of federal civil asset forfeiture. Courts have said the passengers being approached are engaged in a "cold, consensual interaction." The courts say you are free to "walk away" at anytime and end the encounter, but given the circumstances, chances are most will sign the consent form allowing the search. If your Vegas vacation bankroll is found, you're probably going to have that cash confiscated and have to fight -- perhaps for years and at your own expense -- to attempt to get it back.
Just one more way the government is stealing our money, even though traveling domestically with cash is evidence of nothing.
Be careful in airports. The government wants your cash.
https://youtu.be/G3P6G1WkRtY
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Too bad they don't teach people more what your rights are when you're in high school. Instead by senior year, you've studied history for 12 years and learn other BS things. Schools really need a life skills classes.
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Too bad they don't teach people more what your rights are when you're in high school. Instead by senior year, you've studied history for 12 years and learn other BS things. Schools really need a life skills classes.
Watch the video.
When you're approached by someone you assume is from the airline (not LE), you likely feel like "their business, their rules." Also, when you're just a few feet from boarding the plane with a line of people behind you, how much are you willing to ask questions and hold up the line? Finally, if you do not consent to a search, and they decide to get a warrant, chances are you are almost certain to miss your flight. What if others are traveling with you? Will you risk having to fly later, assuming you can even get another flight? Will that ruin the group's plans at arrival time?
When you start from a point where they haven't identified themselves as LE, how certain are you that you have those rights you speak of?
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Watch the video.
When you're approached by someone you assume is from the airline (not LE), you likely feel like "their business, their rules." Also, when you're just a few feet from boarding the plane with a line of people behind you, how much are you willing to ask questions and hold up the line? Finally, if you do not consent to a search, and they decide to get a warrant, chances are you are almost certain to miss your flight. What if others are traveling with you? Will you risk having to fly later, assuming you can even get another flight? Will that ruin the group's plans at arrival time?
When you start from a point where they haven't identified themselves as LE, how certain are you that you have those rights you speak of?
Most people aren't taught what their rights are. If they havent ID'd as LEO, then I'm free to walk away. If they have ID"d, then I ask if I'm being detained or am I free to go. If they're not in the airline or TSA uniform, then I'm free to keep walking. I will not show a plain clothes person my ID or answer private questions. Even more so if they stop me.
But I'm the kind of individual who values my rights and will miss a plane if it escalates. But this is just me. Some people are OK with showing a cop their ID if they ask for it without question becuase they rather be on their way than spend more time there or it escalates (assuming its not requred by law).
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Most people aren't taught what their rights are. If they havent ID'd as LEO, then I'm free to walk away. If they have ID"d, then I ask if I'm being detained or am I free to go. If they're not in the airline or TSA uniform, then I'm free to keep walking. I will not show a plain clothes person my ID or answer private questions. Even more so if they stop me.
But I'm the kind of individual who values my rights and will miss a plane if it escalates. But this is just me. Some people are OK with showing a cop their ID if they ask for it without question becuase they rather be on their way than spend more time there or it escalates (assuming its not requred by law).
Walk away to where?
You're in line. You already presented your boarding pass at the gate and are counted as on board. The door to the plane is about half the distance down the jet way from you. There are a hundred people in front of you taking their time finding their seats, and a hundred more behind you trying to keep the line moving.
Walk away to where? Are you going to step out of line and leave the gate? There is no "walk away" unless you are going to put yourself in the position of missing your flight.
You MIGHT be able to shut the interaction down by saying you aren't answering any questions or showing ID, but without knowing who they are and why they are talking to you, would you automatically assume LE? If they are airline employees, especially crew members, Federal law says you have to obey their orders, right?
It might be as innocent as wanting to verify your ID against the boarding passes collected because it didn't scan correctly.
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Walk away to where?
You're in line. You already presented your boarding pass at the gate and are counted as on board. The door to the plane is about half the distance down the jet way from you. There are a hundred people in front of you taking their time finding their seats, and a hundred more behind you trying to keep the line moving.
Walk away to where? Are you going to step out of line and leave the gate? There is no "walk away" unless you are going to put yourself in the position of missing your flight.
You MIGHT be able to shut the interaction down by saying you aren't answering any questions or showing ID, but without knowing who they are and why they are talking to you, would you automatically assume LE? If they are airline employees, especially crew members, Federal law says you have to obey their orders, right?
It might be as innocent as wanting to verify your ID against the boarding passes collected because it didn't scan correctly.
My mistake, I meant "walk away" as in not only actually walking away, but not ackowledging or engaging in conversation any further. Even go as far as turning your back on the person, which I've done before. Not to a LEO, but a few people whom I don't like who tired to engage in conversation. So being in a line or unable to "walk away" doesn't matter. I can even turn my back to the person if I choose to.
I don't automatically assume someone asking for my ID is LE if they're in plain clothes with no badge or ID showing. Which is why I posted unless they're in the airlines uniform (not LEO) or TSA (not LEO, well I think anyways they're not LEO). If someone in an airline uniform ask for my ID and to see the ticket, then I will show it to them. Same goes with TSA.
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My mistake, I meant "walk away" as in not only actually walking away, but not ackowledging or engaging in conversation any further. Even go as far as turning your back on the person, which I've done before. Not to a LEO, but a few people whom I don't like who tired to engage in conversation. So being in a line or unable to "walk away" doesn't matter. I can even turn my back to the person if I choose to.
I don't automatically assume someone asking for my ID is LE if they're in plain clothes with no badge or ID showing. Which is why I posted unless they're in the airlines uniform (not LEO) or TSA (not LEO, well I think anyways they're not LEO). If someone in an airline uniform ask for my ID and to see the ticket, then I will show it to them. Same goes with TSA.
As I posted, they are wearing airport credentials -- the kind that let them get through locked doors and be in spaces reserved for "authorized personnel only."
With that as your only information, would you not be inclined to assume you are talking to airline or airport employees?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zOIg-lep_k
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VLm7I2Wx1s
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A major Civil Asset Forfeiture (CAF) ruling yesterday overturned the crazy ruling by the courts in the case of the Feds versus a US Private Vault customer.
What's probably just as crazy is the ruling came out of the 9th Circus!
Summary: The FBI was issued a warrant against the company, US Private Vault (UPV). The warrant was to look for evidence of crimes such as money laundering against the company, but not the customers who rented safe deposit boxes there. The warrant specified the FBI could open, examine, inventory and RETURN the contents of customer-rented boxes, but they were not authorized to seize any of it.
The FBI had planned all along to keep as much loot as they found under CAF, even though they knew they had a warrant that stated they couldn't do it.
A customer sued to get their property back, and the initial courts ruled the government could keep the contents under CAF if they suspected the property to be linked to criminal activity. Meanwhile, no criminal charges were ever filed against the box owner.
The case was finally appealed to the 9th Circus, and they ruled that as a matter of law, the contents of the box must be returned -- period. The FBI can't use a warrant against the company to shoehorn CAF actions against the customers when the warrant expressly forbids it. (Duh).
The FBI raided the vault in March 2021. A lawyer involved in the class action to get customers their property returned said the raid was the "largest armed robbery in US history."
Here's the story on the lower court dismissing the lawsuit, saying the FBI raid of US Private Vaults did not violate the Fourth Amendment, even though 1,400 boxes' contents totaling millions of dollars were seized.
The lawsuit was filed after FBI agents raided the Beverly Hills branch of
US Private Vaults, seizing more than $86 million in cash, as well as jewelry
and gold from 1,400 safe-deposit boxes. It said owners' items still had not
been returned and that agents misled a judge to get the warrant.
None of the people who owned the boxes has been charged after almost
five years of investigating; various agencies concluded "the problem was
the business itself," court documents said.
https://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-raid-1400-boxes-us-private-vaults-ruling-2022-10?op=1
Three years to finally get the government to return what they literally stole from people in violation of the Constitution, the law and the warrant they used.
:wtf:
https://youtu.be/f7uCi0SkpTA
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Its a win win for the feds. The owner will now have to sign out to get the items back. Then come the IRS audits.
The warrant should have not been to open any boxes not owned by the company or its decision makers.
If you give a little leeway to the gov, they will use it to screw people over. Which is why I oppose the bill on handgun safe storage to children that's been presented this session. On the paper will have a sentance to report anything to the teacher. Now a gun owner will get a knock on their door from HPD cause they left a disassembled gun on the table with no ammo unattended because they had to take a piss or get addtional tools from another room. THen their kid reports it to their teacher.
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Add in will any agents get arrested for violating the warrant? No. They prob will get or already got a promotion.
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Add in will any agents get arrested for violating the warrant? No. They prob will get or already got a promotion.
like any big government bureaucracy, as long as you were just following orders, policy or agency guidance, you aren't accountable for your actions.
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like any big government bureaucracy, as long as you were just following orders, policy or agency guidance, you aren't accountable for your actions.
"like any big government bureaucracy, as long as you were just following orders, policy or agency guidance, you aren't accountable for your actions."
One would have thought Nuremberg trials would have taught us a lesson.
Never give up your guns, and government is not your protector. YOU are.