2aHawaii
General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: ren on September 09, 2023, 09:13:46 AM
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https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-mexico-governor-shocks-comment-constitution-issuing-temporary-gun-ban-not-absolute (https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-mexico-governor-shocks-comment-constitution-issuing-temporary-gun-ban-not-absolute)
"No constitutional right, in my view, including my oath, is intended to be absolute," she retorted. Grisham cited restrictions on free speech as an example of how rights can be curtailed in emergency situations.
gee....can this be implemented elsewhere???
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She's saying her oath don't mean sh*t, depending on how she "feels". ::)
Also, she truly and deeply believes that a temporary ban will fix things. All she did was punish law abiding citizens because criminals do not follow laws. She is truly and deeply a retard.
What I found admirable in this whole BS scenario is that some LE officials refuse to comply with her order.
I wish here in Hawaii we had courageous and upright people in leadership. Here in Hawaii we have cowards and selfish retards like her.
Go after the people, not the guns you f*ckn idiots.
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https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-mexico-governor-shocks-comment-constitution-issuing-temporary-gun-ban-not-absolute (https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-mexico-governor-shocks-comment-constitution-issuing-temporary-gun-ban-not-absolute)
"No constitutional right, in my view, including my oath, is intended to be absolute," she retorted. Grisham cited restrictions on free speech as an example of how rights can be curtailed in emergency situations.
gee....can this be implemented elsewhere???
There's a big, gaping difference between "curtailed" and "banned."
Name a time when free speech was banned. When protected speech is violated, it usually results in a cash windfall for the individual.
Trying to use words that make the ban sound less than a ban is not going to make it not a ban -- nor unconstitutional.
She said she expects there will be legal challenges, and that's what they (anti-gunners) don't care about. They commit blatant violations of the Constitution, yet they are rarely held accountable. It just costs the tax payers to fight the illegal ban ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE.
Maybe if the cities and states had to pay millions to their residents each time the Constitution was violated, they'll stop?
Washington, DC Will Pay $5.1 Million
For Arresting Gun Owners
After almost a decade of litigation, Washington, D.C. will pay out $5.1 million to settle
a federal class-action lawsuit that challenged the city’s unconstitutional gun control laws.
Under the settlement agreement, which received preliminary approval on Monday, the
six gun owners who filed the lawsuit will receive $50,000 each.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicksibilla/2023/08/31/washington-dc-will-pay-51-million-for-violating-the-second-amendment/?sh=15aac6e35d39
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Imma Doctor! and I have good attorneys
https://www.khon2.com/wake-up-2day/gov-green-talks-about-gun-law-challenges/ (https://www.khon2.com/wake-up-2day/gov-green-talks-about-gun-law-challenges/)
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"Com'on guys, don't carry guns in a peaceful park"
:rofl: how about the not-so-peaceful parks and neighborhoods? I wonder how often he visits those places?
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This is a trial balloon by the Democrats.
I'll bet it was well thought out, and a plan to see if they can get away with it.
Here... Hold my beer and watch this
Who's gonna stop them?
If they pull it off this will be the new normal.
This wahine has got to go.
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"Com'on guys, don't carry guns in a peaceful park"
:rofl: how about the not-so-peaceful parks and neighborhoods? I wonder how often he visits those places?
Or, maybe the parks are peaceful because criminals know half the people there are armed?
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The oath of office don't mean anything anymore. It's, like "yeah I will uphold whatever, yada yada yada....let's get this over with....." :grrr:
It's like this all over society. Not only politics but everywhere. Businesses, schools, HOA's, everywhere.
On the surface it sure didn't seem that way. But just like termite rot, you don't see the problem until it's too late.
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The oath of office don't mean anything anymore. It's, like "yeah I will uphold whatever, yada yada yada....let's get this over with....." :grrr:
It's like this all over society. Not only politics but everywhere. Businesses, schools, HOA's, everywhere.
On the surface it sure didn't seem that way. But just like termite rot, you don't see the problem until it's too late.
Extermination sounds like a viable plan ....
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Until there is jail time or some kind of punishment for violating the constitution, specifically the 2a, this will happen often and continue. F-U sue us is their logic.
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no mention of police and her security detail not carrying during this suspension.
this will happen in Hawaii in an emergency proclamation. The givs used them pretty often. Climate, housing, virus....
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I bet some members on here probably agree with this lady. You know because if you can’t bring your firearm into jail with you then the 2A is not absolute, therefore this lady feels it’s justified to do this. Because “rights are not absolute”.
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I bet some members on here probably agree with this lady. You know because if you can’t bring your firearm into jail with you then the 2A is not absolute, therefore this lady feels it’s justified to do this. Because “rights are not absolute”.
yes and those members have CCWs too...but no EVs or NODs but they did test drive their friend's uncle's nephew's one...
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U know u messed up when Hoggy disagrees with ur anti 2a gun idea.
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Until there is jail time or some kind of punishment for violating the constitution, specifically the 2a, this will happen often and continue. F-U sue us is their logic.
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You have nailed it on the head.
Until our government employees are held responsible for their actions
our rights are at risk.
I would make the laws such that any government agent is afraid of
dealing with the public. I want them to be professional and accountable.
Like our military used to be.
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https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-mexico-governor-shocks-comment-constitution-issuing-temporary-gun-ban-not-absolute (https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-mexico-governor-shocks-comment-constitution-issuing-temporary-gun-ban-not-absolute)
"No constitutional right, in my view, including my oath, is intended to be absolute," she retorted. Grisham cited restrictions on free speech as an example of how rights can be curtailed in emergency situations.
gee....can this be implemented elsewhere???
Even with my left-leaning mindset, NM is over-stepping. This is a clear violation of the 2nd Amendment.
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no mention of police and her security detail not carrying during this suspension.
this will happen in Hawaii in an emergency proclamation. The givs used them pretty often. Climate, housing, virus....
Police and licensed security personnel are exempt.
No surprise.
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There are laws that prohibit the intentional violation of civil and constitutionally protected rights. Declaring an emergency is not grounds for suspending the Constitution.
This is tyranny in its most obvious form.
A governor declaring an emergency does not magically transform a problem into an emergency. They tried this in Louisiana during the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, Afterward, many officials were fined and a few did jail time for violating civil rights.
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Extermination sounds like a viable plan ....
AKA dirt nap……. :grrr:
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Hawaii leaders are watching..............
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It’s interesting that Hawaii has a law specifically prohibiting the government from confiscating lawfully possessed firearms and/or ammunition, and from suspending, revoking, or limiting any permit or license concerning firearms, in the event of an emergency or disaster…
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/HRS_0134-0007_0002.htm (https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/HRS_0134-0007_0002.htm)
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There's no emergency clause in the constitution, and there were plenty of emergencies going on when it was written.
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Since when does "public emergency" grant such unlimited powers?
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Since biden took office?
Hee hee, just kidding. Or maybe not.
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It’s interesting that Hawaii has a law specifically prohibiting the government from confiscating lawfully possessed firearms and/or ammunition, and from suspending, revoking, or limiting any permit or license concerning firearms, in the event of an emergency or disaster…
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/HRS_0134-0007_0002.htm (https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/HRS_0134-0007_0002.htm)
Thank HRA for that one. :wacko:
You mean you hadn't been carrying your firearm in a hard sided container with you all the time during the declared covid emergency ?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1A9YJnnCCE
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Since when does "public emergency" grant such unlimited powers?
Since covid
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1A9YJnnCCE
This doesnt mean much as she will have their PD enforce and they will do. Iirc, their sheriff also said they wont enforce red flags.
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Since when does "public emergency" grant such unlimited powers?
The Resident and other gun haters have been trying to get the CDC to declare the current "epidemic" of gun violence a public health emergency.
Unfortunately for them, they also funded the CDC to study gun violence, and the results have been to dispel the narrative that taking away guns from law abiding people will do anything other than disarm upwards of millions who defend themselves with firearms every year.
When at least as many people protect themselves and others using guns as do criminals cause death and injury with guns, removing one side of that equation means more will shift to the other side of the equal sign. In other words, the people who fought back would then become victims without the means to defend themselves effectively.
Anyway, they tried forcing doctors to interrogate patients to find out how many own guns.
The push to make guns a health issue versus crime issue is not new at alll.
Does declaring an emergency allow the state to walk over the 2nd Amendment? Apparently there are many who believe it does -- else why try so hard to get the CDC to make the declaration?
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Not to minimize the issue, but I expect a TRO on enforcement early in the week. Nothing is ever 100% sure, but any court that looks at this really can’t help but see the likelihood of a lawsuit to succeed on the merits, and the irreparable harm if the order isn’t restrained/enjoined.
In any case, she got her name in the news… so one objective accomplished.
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Even she knows criminals will not follow rules.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nra-slams-democratic-governors-gun-order-issues-advice-what-could-actually-fix-crime-issue
The reporter went on to ask the Democratic governor whether she believed criminals would follow her orders on the 30-day suspension.
"Uh, no," she responded, adding that the rule sends a "pretty resounding message" to the community to report crimes and aide law enforcement.
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Even she knows criminals will not follow rules.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nra-slams-democratic-governors-gun-order-issues-advice-what-could-actually-fix-crime-issue
The reporter went on to ask the Democratic governor whether she believed criminals would follow her orders on the 30-day suspension.
"Uh, no," she responded, adding that the rule sends a "pretty resounding message" to the community to report crimes and aide law enforcement.
She listed a bunch of justice-related agencies that she's putting on notice to step up their crime prevention/interdiction activities by passing this unconstitutional edict.
Why would anyone violate the constitutional rights of every citizen just to send a message to people who work for her? What has she done in the past to send this "message" which went ignored?
This is like saying I set fire to my house because the rest of the family won't clean the kitchen when it's their night.
:wacko:
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Even she knows criminals will not follow rules.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nra-slams-democratic-governors-gun-order-issues-advice-what-could-actually-fix-crime-issue
The reporter went on to ask the Democratic governor whether she believed criminals would follow her orders on the 30-day suspension.
"Uh, no," she responded, adding that the rule sends a "pretty resounding message" to the community to report crimes and aide law enforcement.
While getting injured, raped, or killed by the criminals she acknowledged would not follow her order of a 30 day suspension.
farkyu lady. Like I said earlier, go after the people, not the guns you fricken idiot.
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While getting injured, raped, or killed by the criminals she acknowledged would not follow her order of a 30 day suspension.
farkyu lady. Like I said earlier, go after the people, not the guns you fricken idiot.
According to her explanation, this is how she's getting LE agencies to go after the criminals -- by sending a message to step up efforts and add resources to go after criminals.
What's she's actually done instead is show what a weak governor she is (can't get cooperation from LE without causing a constitutional crisis), and shown that she knows nothing about constitutional rights.
This is reminding me of the nursery rhyme/song There Was an Old Lady Who Swallowed a Fly. She kept causing bigger problems by trying more extreme solutions until it finally ended her. Had she focused on the initial problem and solved it rationally, the song would have been much shorter and had a positive outcome. :rofl:
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Two National organizations have filed suit, GOA and The National association of Gun Rights according to Breitbart.
The NRA is conspicuous by its absence. What's up with that?
Once again they Sayeth Naught.?
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Two National organizations have filed suit, GOA and The National association of Gun Rights according to Breitbart.
The NRA is conspicuous by its absence. What's up with that?
Once again they Sayeth Naught.?
The NRA's marketing department is trying to figure out whether the issue is going to be good fundraising issue or not.
They are also focus-group-testing a variety of alternative solutions, such as having the ban only last 1 or 2 weeks versus a month.
More than likely, they are waiting to see what happens with complaints filed by others next week before spending their money on a lawsuit that's redundant whether or not it's bound to prevail.
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Sounds like at least some gun owners in NM are not willing to comply.
I hope some of them get arrested and sue the pants off of NM for intentional civil rights violations.
These anti-gun, incompetent clowns running blue states need to feel the consequences of their stupidity.
https://youtu.be/TSvShBuvxno
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Sounds like at least some gun owners in NM are not willing to comply.
I hope some of them get arrested and sue the pants off of NM for intentional civil rights violations.
These anti-gun, incompetent clowns running blue states need to feel the consequences of their stupidity.
https://youtu.be/TSvShBuvxno
"These anti-gun, incompetent clowns running blue states need to feel the consequences of their stupidity."
Y'all know that isn't going to happen.
These Democrats count on "processing you through the system"
to economically break you.
They know they can't win on ethics but they can use lawyers to break you.
you are stupid enough to play their game. :wtf:
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"These anti-gun, incompetent clowns running blue states need to feel the consequences of their stupidity."
Y'all know that isn't going to happen.
These Democrats count on "processing you through the system"
to economically break you.
They know they can't win on ethics but they can use lawyers to break you.
you are stupid enough to play their game. :wtf:
We'll see. There are already impeachment talks by legislators.
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We'll see. There are already impeachment talks by legislators.
Talk is cheap.
Kinetic action is real.
I don't think the Romanov's were impeached, they were eliminated.
:thumbsup:
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It’s interesting that Hawaii has a law specifically prohibiting the government from confiscating lawfully possessed firearms and/or ammunition, and from suspending, revoking, or limiting any permit or license concerning firearms, in the event of an emergency or disaster…
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/HRS_0134-0007_0002.htm (https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/HRS_0134-0007_0002.htm)
I always found it interesting that they threw that nugget in there. I am glad they did, just not something you would expect from Hawaii.
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The NRA's marketing department is trying to figure out whether the issue is going to be good fundraising issue or not.
They are also focus-group-testing a variety of alternative solutions, such as having the ban only last 1 or 2 weeks versus a month.
More than likely, they are waiting to see what happens with complaints filed by others next week before spending their money on a lawsuit that's redundant whether or not it's bound to prevail.
This is a test ban. Even if it were a 1 week ban, 1 week turns into 1 month. Then to 3 months, then 6, and so on.
Shes testing to see if the covid like emergency stripping of rights is ready. And its not cause even anti gunners like hoggy and ted lieu are against it.
So the test has failed.
This is why i also refuse to give the NRA $.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTh6t6HEfjM
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MOre video of the protest and had some who were open carrying. I wonder if they will do a J6 and file charges against them 2 years later.
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MOre video of the protest and had some who were open carrying. I wonder if they will do a J6 and file charges against them 2 years later.
That's the intent of J6 and ATF political persecutions. Sino/Soviet style intimidation.
It seems to be having the opposite effect with Americans
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What this wahine is doing is insurrection written large.
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IRONY:
In 2021, NM Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham signed into law the New Mexico Civil Rights Act.
The measure allows a person to litigate any deprivation of those rights, privileges
or immunities and prohibits the use of qualified immunity as a defense for depriving
a person of those constitutional civil rights.
Per a Senate amendment, claims from incidents prior to July 1, 2021 – the effective
date of the new law – may not be brought. A public body’s liability for damages under
the state Civil Rights Act is capped at $2 million.
https://www.governor.state.nm.us/2021/04/07/gov-lujan-grisham-ratifies-civil-rights-act/
In short, she weakened the state's protections under qualified immunity, and then handed gun owners the easiest slam dunk lawsuit ever that deprives owners of their constitutional rights.
You can't make this $#!% up!
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By her actions and speech you know she is a stupid bitch.
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IRONY:
In 2021, NM Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham signed into law the New Mexico Civil Rights Act.
https://www.governor.state.nm.us/2021/04/07/gov-lujan-grisham-ratifies-civil-rights-act/
In short, she weakened the state's protections under qualified immunity, and then handed gun owners the easiest slam dunk lawsuit ever that deprives owners of their constitutional rights.
You can't make this $#!% up!
And ACLU will remain silent cause they don't care about the 2a.
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And ACLU will remain silent cause they don't care about the 2a.
I'd like to see every single CCW permit holder in the jurisdiction specified in the ban file lawsuits and be awarded the maximum $2M apiece.
Maybe that will stop these idiots from doing idiotic stuff like this.
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Just thinking about one positive thing that should come from this.
Liberal anti-gun zealots laugh when anyone tells them, "The Second Amendment is not about hunting and sport shooting. It's about defending ourselves from a tyrannical government -- foreign and domestic."
They mockingly come back with, "You're crazy if you think the government will become tyrannical."
Well, here we are, looking at a Governor using a health emergency to justify suspending constitutional rights. If this is allowed to stand, then every state AND the feds would be able to outlaw arms for self defense outside the home in spite of Bruen.
This tyranny in NM is why our founding fathers gave us the Second Amendment It's not some crazy conspiracy theory.
Hopefully the Left is paying attention. What are they going to do when other protected rights are violated under color of a declared emergency? You know, like voting? What happens when a governor is behind in the polls and suspends elections based on some declared health emergency?
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There's a lottta folks saying "no they won't enforce it" "this is unconstitutional" Can't be done"
But... It hasn't been litigated yet, or enjoined and withdrawn.
I'll feel a lot better when it is.
Remember this is only a test. If it is not shut down hard it will never end :grrr:
This is some serious s**t
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There's a lottta folks saying "no they won't enforce it" "this is unconstitutional" Can't be done"
But... It hasn't been litigated yet, or enjoined and withdrawn.
I'll feel a lot better when it is.
Remember this is only a test. If it is not shut down hard it will never end :grrr:
This is some serious s**t
The elected Sheriff said he and his deputies will not be enforcing the firearm ban portion of the order.
i believe it's more common for elected sheriffs to uphold the constitution over government tyrants since they have to answer to the public. Police Chiefs, on the other hand, are appointed by politicians and tend to toe the line set by their masters.
However, in this case, the overreach is so egregious, even the police chief is not on board.
Albuquerque Police Chief Harold Medina said he won't enforce it
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/albuquerque-police-chief-balks-at-governors-emergency-order/ar-AA1gtKDc#image=1
Sheriff Allen Reiterates Stance on Gun Ban NON Enforcement
https://youtu.be/mU82W84Tgi0
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The elected Sheriff said he and his deputies will not be enforcing the firearm ban portion of the order.
i believe it's more common for elected sheriffs to uphold the constitution over government tyrants since they have to answer to the public. Police Chiefs, on the other hand, are appointed by politicians and tend to toe the line set by their masters.
However, in this case, the overreach is so egregious, even the police chief is not on board.
Albuquerque Police Chief Harold Medina said he won't enforce it
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/albuquerque-police-chief-balks-at-governors-emergency-order/ar-AA1gtKDc#image=1
Sheriff Allen Reiterates Stance on Gun Ban NON Enforcement
https://youtu.be/mU82W84Tgi0
Wow now a chief (PD) says this.
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IRONY:
In 2021, NM Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham signed into law the New Mexico Civil Rights Act.
https://www.governor.state.nm.us/2021/04/07/gov-lujan-grisham-ratifies-civil-rights-act/
In short, she weakened the state's protections under qualified immunity, and then handed gun owners the easiest slam dunk lawsuit ever that deprives owners of their constitutional rights.
You can't make this $#!% up!
Hmm I might have to fly over to New Mexico to get a piece of that.
NM has a 2nd amendment along with open carry without a permit.
No law shall abridge the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms for security and defense, for lawful hunting and recreational use and for other lawful purposes, but nothing herein shall be held to permit the carrying of concealed weapons. No municipality or county shall regulate, in any way, an incident of the right to keep and bear arms. (As amended November 2, 1971 and November 2, 1986.)
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And ACLU will remain silent cause they don't care about the 2a.
Basically talks about everything except the gun part.
ACLU Concerned Governor’s Public Health Order Could Lead to Over Policing
https://www.aclu-nm.org/en/press-releases/aclu-concerned-governors-public-health-order-could-lead-over-policing
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And ACLU will remain silent cause they don't care about the 2a.
I guess the ACLU decided to make you a liar. :rofl:
However, they aren't objecting to the governor's order based on its unconstitutionality. But rather, they are of the opinion that the order might result in "over-policing."
They don't like the 2nd Amendment, but they don't like the police even more.
The ACLU of New Mexico is heartbroken over the recent death of a child and shares the governor’s
concern for the well-being of our community. However, we are equally concerned that her solution to
the complicated problems of substance abuse, addiction, and gun violence is to pour more resources
into law enforcement.
Historically, this kind of approach leads to the over policing of our communities, racial profiling, and
increased misery in the lives of already marginalized people. Instead, the governor should be following
evidence-based solutions such as meaningful diversion and violence intervention programs and addressing
the root causes of violence. The order also raises legitimate and pressing concerns about New Mexicans’
privacy.
“We are closely monitoring the legal challenges to this executive order, recognizing that many people in
our state are focused on the section related to firearms. However, we are deeply concerned about other
parts of the order, including the governor’s decision to suspend a program that helps children avoid
juvenile prison. We know that incarceration during childhood increases the likelihood that someone will
end up in the adult criminal system. Ending a program that helps young people find a different path is
counterproductive to public safety.
While we acknowledge the severity of the fentanyl crisis, we oppose any actions that risk further
criminalizing our youth or individuals struggling with addiction.
ACLU-NM stands in support of initiatives that prioritize treatment and improve access to services to
facilitate recovery. We know these approaches are far more effective than criminalization or incarceration.
Our organization remains committed to advocating for policies that safeguard the civil liberties and rights
of all citizens, while simultaneously addressing public health crises through compassionate, evidence-
based strategies.
https://www.krqe.com/news/politics-government/new-mexico-aclu-governors-order-suspending-open-concealed-carry-could-lead-to-over-policing/
So, instead of focusing on the actual problem (out of control crime) and an actual effort to solve it (more resources for law enforcement) they'd prefer more treatment centers for addicts.
How Liberal of them. Protect the perpetrators, but not the law abiding victims.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWm3njz_ixA
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None of the major gun control groups have talked about NM. Like it didn't happen. LOL
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None of the major gun control groups have talked about NM. Like it didn't happen. LOL
Who do you consider the "major" gun groups?
Opps. You said, "gun control!" My bad!
Gun rights group sues New Mexico governor over emergency firearm ban
That challenge arrived on Saturday when the National Association for Gun Rights said it
would file a lawsuit in federal court against the governor, citing 2021’s Bruen US supreme
court ruling easing gun restrictions.
The president of the pro-gun group, Dudley Brown, accused the governor of “throwing up a
middle finger to the constitution and the supreme court”.
“Her executive order is in blatant disregard for Bruen. She needs to be held accountable for
stripping the God-given rights of millions away with the stroke of a pen,” Brown said in a statement.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/10/new-mexico-gun-restrictions-lawsuit
SAF SUES NM GOV. LUJAN GRISHAM OVER EMERGENCY CARRY BAN
BELLEVUE, WA – The Second Amendment Foundation has filed a federal lawsuit against New Mexico
Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham and four other officials on the grounds that the governor’s “emergency order’
prohibiting open and concealed carry in Albuquerque and surrounding Bernalillo violates the Second and
Fourteenth Amendments of the U.S. Constitution.
Joining SAF are the New Mexico Shooting Sports Association, Firearms Policy Coalition and a private
citizen, Zachary Fort, who resides in Bernalillo County. They are represented by Jordon George of Aragon
Moss George Jenkins, LLP who has also filed a motion for a temporary restraining order and preliminary
injunction. The lawsuit and motion were filed in U.S. District Court for the District of New Mexico.
https://saf.org/saf-sues-nm-gov-lujan-grisham-over-emergency-carry-ban/
GOA, GOF FILE SUIT AGAINST NEW MEXICO GOVERNOR’S
TYRANNICAL GUN BAN VIA “PUBLIC HEALTH ORDER”
Washington, D.C. — Late Saturday evening, Gun Owners of America (GOA) and the Gun Owners
Foundation (GOF) filed a federal lawsuit challenging New Mexico Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham’s
gross and egregious violation of the U.S. Constitution through her “public health order” to unlawfully
ban the carrying of firearms in Albuquerque.
The suit, and an immediate request for a temporary restraining order/preliminary injunction, were
filed in U.S. District Court for the District of New Mexico.
https://www.gunowners.org/goa-gof-file-suit-against-new-mexico-governors-tyrannical-gun-ban-via-public-health-order/
NRA slams Democratic governor's gun order, issues harsh advice
The National Rifle Association slammed Democratic New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham
for "ignoring" the Constitution and temporarily suspending open and concealed carry across
Albuquerque and the surrounding Bernalillo County under an emergency public health order.
"In a shocking move, Governor Lujan Grisham is suspending Second Amendment rights by
administrative fiat, ignoring the U.S. Constitution and the New Mexico Constitution," NRA-ILA
Executive Director Randy Kozuch told Fox News Digital.
The NRA leader said the Democratic governor should instead cut down crime by eliminating
"soft-on-criminal policies." Police data show there have been 76 homicide victims in Albuquerque
so far this year, down from the 93 victims recorded during the same time period last year.
"Instead of undermining the fundamental rights of law-abiding New Mexicans, she should
address the soft-on-criminal policies which truly endanger its citizens," Kozuch said.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nra-slams-democratic-governors-gun-order-issues-advice-what-could-actually-fix-crime-issue
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Who do you consider the "major" gun groups?
Opps. You said, "gun control!" My bad!
I know, hard to believe.
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None of the major gun control groups have talked about NM. Like it didn't happen. LOL
Let me try that again:
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After exhaustive research, here's the result:
(https://i.imgur.com/hOduJJE.jpg)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLz3iJwW4T8
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"During a press conference announcing the declaration, a reporter asked Grisham whether she believes that criminals, who have been responsible for the shootings that led to the ban, would follow her order.
“No,” Grisham replied flatly."
gee what a surprise. :wacko:
https://dailycaller.com/2023/09/12/poppy-harlow-michelle-lujan-grisham-gun-ban-criminals/ (https://dailycaller.com/2023/09/12/poppy-harlow-michelle-lujan-grisham-gun-ban-criminals/)
https://www.americanewsnation.com/2023/09/12/cnn-host-confronts-liberal-governor-over-unconstitutional-gun-ban/ (https://www.americanewsnation.com/2023/09/12/cnn-host-confronts-liberal-governor-over-unconstitutional-gun-ban/)
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In a nutshell, we are seeing the head of the executive branch of the state make the argument that the Constitutions of the state and US governments are getting in her way. She therefore feels justified in violating those laws by fabricating a health emergency -- something that even if true is not a legal exception to civil rights.
This woman's statements are reminiscent of the many other Liberals i've heard for years call for the repeal of the Second Amendment for no other reason than it obstructs their anti-gun efforts -- exactly as it was intended to do.
This governor is not a lone wolf gun hater. She only made the mistake of going full retard with regard to how obvious her violation of the 2A was.
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isn't there an oath of office somewhere???
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isn't there an oath of office somewhere???
Those are just a formality.
Meaningless where an agenda is the priority.
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isn't there an oath of office somewhere???
Tyler tam violated his within a month of taking office. Sensitive places is his bill.
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The order was so outrageous, I would be watching out for some other less outrageous legislation trying to sneak in under the radar.
Think about diversion tactics or haggling over the price of a used car.
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The order was so outrageous, I would be watching out for some other less outrageous legislation trying to sneak in under the radar.
Think about diversion tactics or haggling over the price of a used car.
When we demonstrated a new software project, we always chose unattractive or hard-to-read colors in a few key locations.
That way the customer/project manager would be able to find something easy to fix and be less likely to keep looking for something more difficult for us to change.
Typical misdirection. Every magician and politician leans it.
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So the NM AG stated they won't defend the lawsuit. But the gov can hire outside lawyers, like how HI is doing for senstive places. But the diff is the HI ones are pro bono.
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So the NM AG stated they won't defend the lawsuit. But the gov can hire outside lawyers, like how HI is doing for senstive places. But the diff is the HI ones are pro bono.
She's set her career on fire, and nobody is going to voluntarily go up in smoke along side her.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqaUAQvkyN8
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Burning question:
If the NM Attorney General has come out against this illegal ban, does that mean the Governor made this decision of hers without consulting the chief legal officer for the state?
Kind of sounds like it, huh?
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if you listen to exactly what she says, she spends a lot of time on hypotheticals
sounds like someone on this forum...
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Burning question:
If the NM Attorney General has come out against this illegal ban, does that mean the Governor made this decision of hers without consulting the chief legal officer for the state?
Kind of sounds like it, huh?
I wonder if the NM AG also lies to the lawmakers like how HI's one does.
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I wonder if the NM AG also lies to the lawmakers like how HI's one does.
The alternative to not asking the AG beforehand would be that she asked and was given an answer she decided to ignore.
If that's the case, then she knowingly and intentionally violated the constitutions of her state and the USA, making this a crime.
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Hope the governor learns and is legally held responsible for her actions.
In what world do you live in?
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If that's the case, then she knowingly and intentionally violated the constitutions of her state and the USA, making this a crime.
I assume she knows how to read, so she knowingly and intentionally violated it regardless.
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You can file a civil suit for being deprived of your rights.
I don't have $50,000 to spend on a lawyer. Or are you saying that only rich people are allowed to fight for their deprived right?
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Violating the oath of office is a crime.
She should be impeached and thrown in jail.
And then I woke up from my sleep. :(
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You can bet Green and his admin are looking at NM's gov's actions as their blueprint. Keep an eye on our State's periodic "emergency proclamations". All those CCW permits might be worth as much as toilet paper.
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You can bet Green and his admin are looking at NM's gov's actions as their blueprint. Keep an eye on our State's periodic "emergency proclamations". All those CCW permits might be worth as much as toilet paper.
Yep. I'll be watching Governor Greed and also Mayor Bull-giardi. I'll be watching all of them. They all from the same mold.
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We need to remember that this did not happen in a vacuum.
This woman is funded by Soros money and bottomless pockets.
What We see here is a test. This material will surface again later after they have gone over their notes and honed the technique.
They will do better next time and will never give up.
There is a lot of satisfaction that we won this one
Don't get complacent just cuz the courts saw it our way this time.
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We need to remember that this did not happen in a vacuum.
This woman is funded by Soros money and bottomless pockets.
What We see here is a test. This material will surface again later after they have gone over their notes and honed the technique.
They will do better next time and will never give up.
There is a lot of satisfaction that we won this one
Don't get complacent just cuz the courts saw it our way this time.
“Just the tip” approach
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Breaking: Fed judge just reversed suspension of right to carry by Governor of NM. AP.
In 1775 the British demanded we surrender our weapons.....WE SHOT THEM.
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This was an embarrassment for gun control and set them back as a whole. The TRO issued by an Obama judge in a fairly blue state was overwhelming as it was done very quickly without notice from the defendant, basically the Governor wasn't asked for their side of the story because it was so blatantly unconstitutional.
I'm sure Gov Green is taking notice of it and wouldn't doubt he's thought about doing it himself. If Green did do the same here, he'd have the strong support of the AG and Honolulu Mayor. I doubt the police chiefs would enforce it. Not sure about the sheriffs.
TRO Order
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nmd.492637/gov.uscourts.nmd.492637.7.0.pdf
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Burning question:
If the NM Attorney General has come out against this illegal ban, does that mean the Governor made this decision of hers without consulting the chief legal officer for the state?
Kind of sounds like it, huh?
I'm sure the AG was consulted, AG is anti-gun there. Governor just didn't like the answer.
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I'm sure the AG was consulted, AG is anti-gun there. Governor just didn't like the answer.
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MDA might just have to revoke his participation award certificate since he didn't toe the party line.
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This was an embarrassment for gun control and set them back as a whole. The TRO issued by an Obama judge in a fairly blue state was overwhelming as it was done very quickly without notice from the defendant, basically the Governor wasn't asked for their side of the story because it was so blatantly unconstitutional.
I'm sure Gov Green is taking notice of it and wouldn't doubt he's thought about doing it himself. If Green did do the same here, he'd have the strong support of the AG and Honolulu Mayor. I doubt the police chiefs would enforce it. Not sure about the sheriffs.
TRO Order
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nmd.492637/gov.uscourts.nmd.492637.7.0.pdf
Sheriff being appointed, not elected, I suspect they would do as they were told.
They don't answer to the people. :grrr:
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If our governor and mayor tried this crap here, I am sure the sheriffs and police chiefs would support and enforce it.
Garan Ball Barans.
But maybe these new current events will make them go hide back in their holes and wait for instructions as to how to proceed.......
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If our governor and mayor tried this crap here, I am sure the sheriffs and police chiefs would support and enforce it.
Garan Ball Barans.
But maybe these new current events will make them go hide back in their holes and wait for instructions as to how to proceed.......
They def will enforce.
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They def will enforce.
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I wonder how many of them think they and their cops will survive that enforcement?
Cops don't live on a military base with full time security. They live in the community.
we know where they live, shop, and kids go to school.
Not a good idea to make enemy's of the neighbors that vastly outnumber you, are awake 24/7, and
are insulted by your actions.
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I wonder how many of them think they and their cops will survive that enforcement?
Cops don't live on a military base with full time security. They live in the community.
we know where they live, shop, and kids go to school.
Not a good idea to make enemy's of the neighbors that vastly outnumber you, are awake 24/7, and
are insulted by your actions.
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Majority of gun owners are law abiding citizens and will only use the court system. Which is rigged against them from the start. The cops and other agencies know this. They love easy arrest.
Then when you get put into the car, the cops will try to make small talk to make you understand that they're just doing their job. They do this with real criminals already, so I assume they will do this to law abiding citizens who are arrested for unconstitutional reasons as well.
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Majority of gun owners are law abiding citizens and will only use the court system. Which is rigged against them from the start. The cops and other agencies know this. They love easy arrest.
Then when you get put into the car, the cops will try to make small talk to make you understand that they're just doing their job. They do this with real criminals already, so I assume they will do this to law abiding citizens who are arrested for unconstitutional reasons as well.
You think too much like somebody that lives in a city.
When you live where YOU are responsible for your personal safety,
your attitude changes.
I obey the law, but I will ignore it when it is a threat to God, family, and country.
My priorities.
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NRA-ILA (ILA is their lawsuit division) sued the NM governor.
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NRA-ILA (ILA is their lawsuit division) sued the NM governor.
i'm surprised. Seems like they are throwing good money after a slam dunk case that others are already going to win.
As I said, unless they can get something other than a 2A-favorable ruling, why would the NRA bother?
Maybe they don't want to be the odd man out again, like when another group won a TRO for their members, the NRA suddenly asked to be included in the lawsuit. :rofl:
At this point, I can't even imagine why the NRA/NRA-ILA does what they do other than to line their pockets.
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i'm surprised. Seems like they are throwing good money after a slam dunk case that others are already going to win.
As I said, unless they can get something other than a 2A-favorable ruling, why would the NRA bother?
Maybe they don't want to be the odd man out again, like when another group won a TRO for their members, the NRA suddenly asked to be included in the lawsuit. :rofl:
At this point, I can't even imagine why the NRA/NRA-ILA does what they do other than to line their pockets.
Easy win since the TRO was already filed. This is why i wont give the NRA a dime, i spend it on hifico or other groups who do file lawsuits.
But there may be stuff going on that we dont know about, which delayed the NRAs lawsuit filing. But if we look at their track record, i doubt it.
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Easy win since the TRO was already filed. This is why i wont give the NRA a dime, i spend it on hifico or other groups who do file lawsuits.
But there may be stuff going on that we dont know about, which delayed the NRAs lawsuit filing. But if we look at their track record, i doubt it.
Yeah. Like being in the Bahamas all weekend on an NRA-funded board of director's get-away.
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The reason why the New Mexico governor is doing this is because......ummm... uhhh....gee, I dunno why the f*ck she is doing this........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23E4HKJCyVk
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SHe has changed her XO to parks and schools only.
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SHe has changed her XO to parks and schools only.
I read "parks and playgrounds," which would not apply to all schools.
I don't know if CCW permit holders can CC on school property or not ordinarily. Some states and school districts allow it, and others do not.
EDIT:
You may NOT carry a handgun, openly or concealed, in:
* Schools…except in vehicle if older than 19 (30-7-2.1 NMSA 1978, fourth degree felony)
* University Premises…except in vehicle if older than 19 (30-7-2.4 NMSA 1978 petty misdemeanor)
* Preschools (29-19-8 NMSA 1978)
https://www.dps.nm.gov/law-enforcement-records-bureau/concealed-carry-licenses/
So, schools are not being restricted any more than the law already does.
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I read "parks and playgrounds," which would not apply to all schools.
I don't know if CCW permit holders can CC on school property or not ordinarily. Some states and school districts allow it, and others do not.
EDIT:
https://www.dps.nm.gov/law-enforcement-records-bureau/concealed-carry-licenses/
So, schools are not being restricted any more than the law already does.
My mistake.
But this also would help HI's sensitve places as parks are banned. Or HI's lawsuit would help this since a PI was already issued for parks.
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My mistake.
But this also would help HI's sensitve places as parks are banned. Or HI's lawsuit would help this since a PI was already issued for parks.
None of what the governor just did matters. There is a TRO in place, so changing the XO now is futile. It'll be struck down completely in a week or two before the TRO expires (hearing already scheduled in Oct).
She's trying to move the goal posts before the first kick-off. Too little, too late. Once she signed the order, the deed was done. Trying to water it down just shows she knows the order won't survive the hearing.
I never thought I'd see tyranny via blatant unconstitutional actions by US officials in my lifetime, yet it seems the crimes of the radical Left against the US will continue to escalate until someone forces them to suffer the consequences.
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SHe has changed her XO to parks and schools only.
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Like I said 3 days ago...She is haggling over the price of a used car.
She needs to catch a hint.
Look out for another backdoor tactic.
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Like I said 3 days ago...She is haggling over the price of a used car.
She needs to catch a hint.
Look out for another backdoor tactic.
You mean like revoking the first order then signing another one under a different title that does 75% of what the first one does -- with the hope the TRO only applies to the first order, not a similar one under a different name?
#TyrannicalShellGame
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You mean like revoking the first order then signing another one under a different title that does 75% of what the first one does -- with the hope the TRO only applies to the first order, not a similar one under a different name?
#TyrannicalShellGame
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Yep...t's the "lipstick on a pig" strategy. This was her "Plan B"
(We need to look out for similar tactics from our local gun-hayders and anti-gun Knuds.)
That NM gov probably has a "plan-C" already. These politicians are like the clap.
Just when you think they're gone.....it's bbaaackk.
:rofl:
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Yep...t's the "lipstick on a pig" strategy. This was her "Plan B"
(We need to look out for similar tactics from our local gun-hayders and anti-gun Knuds.)
That NM gov probably has a "plan-C" already. These politicians are like the clap.
Just when you think they're gone.....it's bbaaackk.
:rofl:
Wait till they lose their senstiive places lawsuit (Hawaii).
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And from what I understand cannot go after these pukes if you or your family get killed or maimed or raped or robbed because they have immunity or something like that?
Even though their unconstitutional rights violations "emergency proclamations" were the direct result of it?
That sucks big time.
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And from what I understand cannot go after these pukes if you or your family get killed or maimed or raped or robbed because they have immunity or something like that?
Even though their unconstitutional rights violations "emergency proclamations" were the direct result of it?
That sucks big time.
Actually, two years ago the Governor (same one) signed into law an act that reduces qualified immunity protections for government employees who violate individuals' rights.
So, every single person in the state can file a case at this point against the governor for violating the Second Amendment.
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Actually, two years ago the Governor (same one) signed into law an act that reduces qualified immunity protections for government employees who violate individuals' rights.
So, every single person in the state can file a case at this point against the governor for violating the Second Amendment.
I hope they do.
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The reason why the New Mexico governor is doing this is because......ummm... uhhh....gee, I dunno why the f*ck she is doing this........]
I'll tell you why she is doing this... Her Soros donors/minders told her to. She owes her soul to them. I'll bet she will be taken well care of if she is somehow tossed.
She will not go hungry.
The timing is curious too. right after Hunter Biden's indictment. What a great way to draw our media off to the Southwest away from DC.A great distraction.
Chance- 'um they said. Let's see what happens.
We know that this won't work first time, they said, but we can learn from it and do better next time.
The Left is into incrementalism. They are not in a hurry to bury us.
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Governor Greed and Mayor Bullgiardi are probably taking notes.
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The reason why the New Mexico governor is doing this is because......ummm... uhhh....gee, I dunno why the f*ck she is doing this........]
I'll tell you why she is doing this... Her Soros donors/minders told her to. She owes her soul to them. I'll bet she will be taken well care of if she is somehow tossed.
She will not go hungry.
The timing is curious too. right after Hunter Biden's indictment. What a great way to draw our media off to the Southwest away from DC.A great distraction.
Chance- 'um they said. Let's see what happens.
We know that this won't work first time, they said, but we can learn from it and do better next time.
The Left is into incrementalism. They are not in a hurry to bury us.
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Yeah...a distraction tactic away from the Hunter Biden indictment. Good observation.