Post by: changemyoil66 on October 03, 2023, 05:58:33 PM
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Post by: Sodie on October 03, 2023, 06:22:35 PM
Maui fires put a pause on it. Per Komrade Green.
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Link?
Post by: aieahound on October 04, 2023, 10:43:58 AM
Post by: randay on October 04, 2023, 11:28:45 AM
Time to go to Home Depot…
you gonna make a run on 80% shotgun receivers?
Post by: Platinum808 on October 04, 2023, 12:52:30 PM
Post by: RSN172 on October 04, 2023, 01:29:21 PM
1. Go buy some pipe and threaded end caps to make some slamfire shotguns. I have made two so far, but being a law abiding citizen, I disassembled them by removing the sliding pipe since ghost guns are illegal.
2. Go to where the buy back is taking place to see if there are any guns I would like to buy and offer more money than the buy back.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 04, 2023, 01:52:56 PM
Depending on how much they buying guns for, I might do one of two things or maybe both.
1. Go buy some pipe and threaded end caps to make some slamfire shotguns. I have made two so far, but being a law abiding citizen, I disassembled them by removing the sliding pipe since ghost guns are illegal.
2. Go to where the buy back is taking place to see if there are any guns I would like to buy and offer more money than the buy back.
The last buy back was in like 1998 and about $22K was paid. Funds were partially from the Hawaii Housing or something.
I'm sure HPD will have an amnesty for any unregistered guns. But will HPD make up their own rules like how they do?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 04, 2023, 04:34:25 PM
The last buy back was in like 1998 and about $22K was paid. Funds were partially from the Hawaii Housing or something.
I'm sure HPD will have an amnesty for any unregistered guns. But will HPD make up their own rules like how they do?
To get "crime" guns off the street, they have no choice but to offer "no questions asked." The "seller" has to remain anonymous, or the next time there's a buy back, nobody will come if the gun is possibly stolen or part of a criminal case. Amnesty would be a bad thing to offer, since it's possible the guilty party could be identified and tried independently of their showing up to sell a gun.
If the "buyers" don't guarantee anonymity, then they tip their hand -- all they want to do is take legally-owned guns away from law abiding owners.
Post by: hvybarrels on October 04, 2023, 05:18:26 PM
Post by: QUIETShooter on October 04, 2023, 05:20:20 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 05, 2023, 08:12:34 AM
What does HPD do with the guns they buy?
From buy backs that I've seen across the nation, many are wooden stock type of guns. But I'm sure some good stuff will appear. 1 may want to wait on the side and offer the turner in a better deal. Provided it's legally owned of course.
Post by: randay on October 05, 2023, 08:18:50 AM
From buy backs that I've seen across the nation, many are wooden stock type of guns. But I'm sure some good stuff will appear. 1 may want to wait on the side and offer the turner in a better deal. Provided it's legally owned of course.
no worry about legality, i provide amnesty
Post by: QUIETShooter on October 05, 2023, 08:31:17 AM
I just don't want a firearm ending up in the hands of an HPD officer's 2nd cousin of a friends uncle's father-in laws hanai sister's son born out of wedlock from a gramma across the street.
You know. That kinda sh*t.
Post by: randay on October 05, 2023, 08:38:18 AM
Thank you but what I meant was if the guns are destroyed by HPD, how do they go about doing it? Do they have a special shredder or something? And would members of the public be able to witness the destroying of the firearms?
I just don't want a firearm ending up in the hands of an HPD officer's 2nd cousin of a friends uncle's father-in laws hanai sister's son born out of wedlock from a gramma across the street.
You know. That kinda sh*t.
yes, they have a shredder. no, you cannot watch.
Post by: zippz on October 05, 2023, 09:10:55 AM
Thank you but what I meant was if the guns are destroyed by HPD, how do they go about doing it? Do they have a special shredder or something? And would members of the public be able to witness the destroying of the firearms?
I just don't want a firearm ending up in the hands of an HPD officer's 2nd cousin of a friends uncle's father-in laws hanai sister's son born out of wedlock from a gramma across the street.
You know. That kinda sh*t.
HPDs old S&W pistols went into hpower for destruction
Post by: zippz on October 05, 2023, 09:15:19 AM
Some of these would end up in suicides or stolen in burglaries. I'd rather have them sell the to stores, but it's their choice.
Post by: randay on October 05, 2023, 01:32:07 PM
HPDs old S&W pistols went into hpower for destruction
good, thats where they belong! nah nah nah just kidding.
Post by: jc2721 on October 05, 2023, 03:22:39 PM
Post by: groveler on October 05, 2023, 07:54:06 PM
I don't have a problem with buy backs as long as it's 100% voluntary. There are probably thousands of guns people don't want in their homes and don't know what to do with. Or unregistered guns people are afraid of bringing up."Or unregistered guns people are afraid of bringing up. "
Some of these would end up in suicides or stolen in burglaries. I'd rather have them sell the to stores, but it's their choice.
There is a Supreme Court ruling on that.
It is a violation of the 5th amendment to force you to admit to a crime.
Non-registration is a crime. So if you were late in registration
FO HPD.
Don't bother ever, keep a lawyer on speed dial, money for bail
and keep your guns.
:geekdanc:
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 10, 2023, 09:29:45 AM
Post by: hvybarrels on October 10, 2023, 09:55:07 AM
Post by: QUIETShooter on October 10, 2023, 10:01:18 AM
Governor's Ball?
Mayor's Ball?
Bail-out credit?
Free rides in squad car?
SHOPO stickers?
Post by: Rocky on October 10, 2023, 10:22:28 AM
Gift card to where?
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=51336.0
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 10, 2023, 11:46:18 AM
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Post by: changemyoil66 on October 10, 2023, 11:51:38 AM
SSH helped cooridnate this.
Serial numbers will be run to see if gun is stolen so they can contact the owner
Only complete guns, no lowers allowed.
This is a test run for another future buy back.
Post by: macsak on October 10, 2023, 12:14:39 PM
Per SSH,
SSH helped cooridnate this.
Serial numbers will be run to see if gun is stolen so they can contact the owner
Only complete guns, no lowers allowed.
This is a test run for another future buy back.
is this documented or your own speculation?
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 10, 2023, 12:21:37 PM
is this documented or your own speculation?
Kitchens on SSH wrote in the comments b4 locking it.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 10, 2023, 12:37:50 PM
Take this with next part with a grain of salt as I was told this by a non law enforcement or AG's office:
Full amnesty is given. You can even have someone else drop off the gun for you (despite HI's handgun procession law only by it's owner or owner is in close proximity).
Post by: oldfart on October 10, 2023, 12:49:59 PM
HPDs old S&W pistols went into hpower for destruction================
I remember seeing the van leaving HPD headed to the disposal site.
It was on the news. We had a discussion on this forum about the waste of our tax dollars, IIRC
Post by: ren on October 10, 2023, 01:06:39 PM
Post by: hvybarrels on October 10, 2023, 01:19:36 PM
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It compressed the image so I can't see the small words
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 10, 2023, 01:57:20 PM
It compressed the image so I can't see the small words
Focus
Post by: RSN172 on October 10, 2023, 03:52:36 PM
It would be well worth my while to make a few and take a one day trip to Oahu.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 10, 2023, 04:07:07 PM
It compressed the image so I can't see the small words10/21
10-3pm
State capitol
Drive up only, hpd will go to ur trunk to remove the gun
$100
Pistol
Rifle
Shotgun
Bump stock
Glock trigger
$200
Automatic firearms
Semi auto rifles
Ghost guns
No questions asked. No ID required
Do not exit your vehicle
No ammo excepted
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Post by: randay on October 10, 2023, 04:32:23 PM
Post by: macsak on October 10, 2023, 04:40:05 PM
is "amnesty" called out on the flyer as well?
no
Post by: macsak on October 10, 2023, 04:40:30 PM
10/21
10-3pm
State capitol
Drive up only, hpd will go to ur trunk to remove the gun
$100
Pistol
Rifle
Shotgun
Bump stock
Glock trigger
$200
Automatic firearms
Semi auto rifles
Ghost guns
No questions asked. No ID required
Do not exit your vehicle
No ammo excepted
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focus
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 10, 2023, 05:26:07 PM
Gift cards are to a major grocery store.
Take this with next part with a grain of salt as I was told this by a non law enforcement or AG's office:
Full amnesty is given. You can even have someone else drop off the gun for you (despite HI's handgun procession law only by it's owner or owner is in close proximity).
i think there's a difference between amnesty and "no questions asked/no ID required."
Amnesty means you will not be charged with a crime even if it's found out later you committed one covered by the amnesty.
'No questions asked/no ID required" just means anonymity is provided. You won't be forced to violate your 4th or 5th amendment rights if you turn in a gun, even if it would implicate you in a crime.
However, since there's no amnesty under the program, you can still be charged with crimes associated with the gun if evidence is obtained separately and independently of you having the gun to be turned in.
That's my understanding, anyway.
Post by: Lihikai on October 10, 2023, 05:33:30 PM
Post by: hvybarrels on October 10, 2023, 05:40:56 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 10, 2023, 06:21:52 PM
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Do you have the link for that image?
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 10, 2023, 06:58:37 PM
Do you have the link for that image?Its on SSH.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on October 10, 2023, 06:59:07 PM
i think there's a difference between amnesty and "no questions asked/no ID required."Correct.
Amnesty means you will not be charged with a crime even if it's found out later you committed one covered by the amnesty.
'No questions asked/no ID required" just means anonymity is provided. You won't be forced to violate your 4th or 5th amendment rights if you turn in a gun, even if it would implicate you in a crime.
However, since there's no amnesty under the program, you can still be charged with crimes associated with the gun if evidence is obtained separately and independently of you having the gun to be turned in.
That's my understanding, anyway.
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Post by: jc2721 on October 10, 2023, 07:19:37 PM
Post by: jc2721 on October 10, 2023, 07:22:44 PM
Post by: Trumper on October 10, 2023, 07:49:32 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 10, 2023, 07:57:17 PM
my uncle passed this is perfect he had way too many guns
Who owns your uncle's guns now?
Are they that well off that they don't mind flushing hundreds or thousands of dollars down the toilet?
Just curious. People are free to do what they want with their property, but I hate seeing someone taken advantage of. $100 for most guns and $200 for semi-auto rifles, "ghost guns", and "automatics of any type" ??. Unless they are rusted out lumps of junk, they should have much more value than that.
Post by: Lihikai on October 10, 2023, 08:51:52 PM
Post by: Trumper on October 10, 2023, 09:14:03 PM
Who owns your uncle's guns now?no ghost guns mostly old kine guns. 1911 types 45 wooden stock Remingtons.
Are they that well off that they don't mind flushing hundreds or thousands of dollars down the toilet?
Just curious. People are free to do what they want with their property, but I hate seeing someone taken advantage of. $100 for most guns and $200 for semi-auto rifles, "ghost guns", and "automatics of any type" ??. Unless they are rusted out lumps of junk, they should have much more value than that.
Post by: Gordyf on October 11, 2023, 07:21:38 AM
Tin foil time: What are the chances that there are going to be folks taking pictures and recording license plates at the event?
Probably pretty good
Post by: randay on October 11, 2023, 07:22:15 AM
no ghost guns mostly old kine guns. 1911 types 45 wooden stock Remingtons.
ill drop them off for you, let me know when you want me to pick them up.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 11, 2023, 08:10:14 AM
ill drop them off for you, let me know when you want me to pick them up.
Although unofficial word is you are allowed to do this, you will be breaking HI law about possessing the handgun since you aren't the owner.
SSH removed the flyer since there was a mistake about the location on it.
Post by: RSN172 on October 11, 2023, 08:42:24 AM
Although unofficial word is you are allowed to do this, you will be breaking HI law about possessing the handgun since you aren't the owner.No questions asked, remember. I make it easier. I will buy pre 64 Winchester rifles that have not been registered for $250 each.
SSH removed the flyer since there was a mistake about the location on it.
Post by: oldfart on October 11, 2023, 08:56:32 AM
no ghost guns mostly old kine guns. 1911 types 45 wooden stock Remingtons.===================
I'm shopping for a 45. Hard to tell from your largish groups, were you using a rest?---------------------------------------------
10 years ago he was looking for a 45.???
Post by: randay on October 11, 2023, 09:01:39 AM
Although unofficial word is you are allowed to do this, you will be breaking HI law about possessing the handgun since you aren't the owner.
SSH removed the flyer since there was a mistake about the location on it.
no i will not be. i never break any laws.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 11, 2023, 10:14:08 AM
Location changed to Kinau Hale (DOH). 1250 Punchbowl. NOT THE STATE CAPITOL.
Flapp,
It's back on SSH FB page.
Post by: QUIETShooter on October 11, 2023, 10:16:12 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 11, 2023, 10:17:05 AM
Governor Greed got scaird? :D
He doesn't work from there. More like anti 2a politicians, which is most of them there are the ones who got scared.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 11, 2023, 10:18:38 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 11, 2023, 10:38:40 AM
"Aloha everyone,
In an effort to combat the recent spate of gun violence, City, State and Federal Law Enforcement agencies along with the support of the Office of the Govenor are offering a Gun Buyback program. This effort is targeted at removing illegally obtained firearms as well as unwanted guns that may have been left in the care of a relative by the passing of a loved one, just as examples.
To be clear, this effort is not targeted at law-abiding, 2nd amendment supporting gun owners. It is not politically motivated and although there may be debate on the efficacy of such efforts, SSH is not the place to do so. This is simply an effort and an opportunity to remove firearms that may have been obtained illegally through burglaries or crime. No questions asked, no identification required.
Therefore, please, leave your political commentary out of this thread. If you'd like to discuss it, then you can do so on your own profile, other groups or in SSHOT. This post is informational only in nature. Also, leave your negativity at the door. I will moderate anyone who chooses to violate our house rules. I am also not here to be your punching bag on this issue.
To be clear, I'm a retired Combat Arms instructor/military law enforcement and a strong supporter of our 2nd amendment. I wouldn't push anything I felt uncomfortable about when it comes to our rights to bear arms. So leave the grief for someone else. The last share of this was disgusting and I'm in no mood to play around.
Some tidbits from my inquiries yesterday:
Law enforcement will run all serial numbers. If the firearm is reported stolen, notification to the legal owner will be made and will be returned as long as they are legally able to possess the firearm.
Firearm must be complete.
Gift cards will be to a major local grocery retailer.
Amnesty will be given. No questions, asked, no names need to be given, no identification needed.
Participation is strictly voluntary. You can have a mother, father, aunty, uncle or a friend safely turn a gun in.
Free gun locks will also be offered at the mentioned sites.
If you have questions, please feel free and I will inquire with my contacts.
Mahalo."
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 11, 2023, 10:43:40 AM
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 11, 2023, 10:49:42 AM
And if someone has a stolen gun, the black market value is probably many times more than the $100 or $200 gift card.
I think this program attracts lazy people unwilling to spend a minute figuring out what to do with great grandpa's hunting rifle that hasn't been used in 40 years.
People who don't understand what they have (and are unwilling to learn) will give things away for free -- or almost free -- just to be rid of it.
Post by: Xavierbaker on October 11, 2023, 11:08:51 AM
Post by: randay on October 11, 2023, 11:38:48 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 11, 2023, 11:48:22 AM
I doubt if anyone already getting SNAP/EBT assistance is going to surrender a gun for a Safeway or Times gift card.
And if someone has a stolen gun, the black market value is probably many times more than the $100 or $200 gift card.
I think this program attracts lazy people unwilling to spend a minute figuring out what to do with great grandpa's hunting rifle that hasn't been used in 40 years.
People who don't understand what they have (and are unwilling to learn) will give things away for free -- or almost free -- just to be rid of it.
Funny how they say this is geared toward criminals. Again, non gun people making rules/laws. HPD testified that their P80 costed them $850 to make. So add in any time that an illegal gun maker will spend on it, same gun would go for more than that. I'm sure they Gucci'd it out a cause someone got to keep it. So a plain jane P80 prob about $600. A stolen gun prob about $400. So why would a criminal turn in a stolen handgun just to get $100 and max 3 cards, when they can get cash by selling to their criminal friends.
If this were to be somewhat successful, they would have to offer at minimum more than the market rate for a gun. This buy back is more smoke and mirrors/feel good concepts.
The only thing this does is gets legal guns from people who are too lazy to sell.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 11, 2023, 12:11:06 PM
Funny how they say this is geared toward criminals. Again, non gun people making rules/laws. HPD testified that their P80 costed them $850 to make. So add in any time that an illegal gun maker will spend on it, same gun would go for more than that. I'm sure they Gucci'd it out a cause someone got to keep it. So a plain jane P80 prob about $600. A stolen gun prob about $400. So why would a criminal turn in a stolen handgun just to get $100 and max 3 cards, when they can get cash by selling to their criminal friends.
If this were to be somewhat successful, they would have to offer at minimum more than the market rate for a gun. This buy back is more smoke and mirrors/feel good concepts.
The only thing this does is gets legal guns from people who are too lazy to sell.
It also gets guns owners who are unable to sell a particular gun to turn it in for something more than $0. This might be due to the gun's condition or the fact it might be stolen and they don't want to get caught trying to sell it.
The alternative is hand it in to HPD or destroy the receiver themselves.
Post by: randay on October 11, 2023, 12:16:09 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 11, 2023, 12:26:16 PM
someone go ask green for written permission to bring firearms onto those sensitive places, so that you can participate in the buyback.
Doesn't "sensitive places" only apply to licensed concealed carry?
I think the better statute section has to do with "places to keep."
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[§134-24] Place to keep unloaded firearms other than pistols and revolvers; penalty. (a) Except as provided in section 134-5, all firearms shall be confined to the possessor's place of business, residence, or sojourn; provided that it shall be lawful to carry unloaded firearms in an enclosed container from the place of purchase to the purchaser's place of business, residence, or sojourn, or between these places upon change of place of business, residence, or sojourn, or between these places and the following:
(1) A place of repair;
(2) A target range;
(3) A licensed dealer's place of business;
(4) An organized, scheduled firearms show or exhibit;
(5) A place of formal hunter or firearm use training or instruction; or
(6) A police station.
"Enclosed container" means a rigidly constructed receptacle, or a commercially manufactured gun case, or the equivalent thereof that completely encloses the firearm.
(b) Any person violating this section by carrying or possessing an unloaded firearm other than a pistol or revolver shall be guilty of a class C felony. [L 2006, c 66, pt of §1]
There's no exception for the Dept of Health or Dept of Transportation. The law is what it is. For the Governor or any other government entity to designate them as legal for having firearms smacks of more government overreach.
Why are there no exceptions for gun buybacks in the law? for all the time the legislators spend passing anti-gun laws, this one change would not have been difficult to pass.
Of course, it requires that the legislators understand what's in HRS 134 to start with.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 11, 2023, 12:44:59 PM
someone go ask green for written permission to bring firearms onto those sensitive places, so that you can participate in the buyback.
You cannot get permissions for sensitive places. 1250 Punchbowl is owned by the state and so is it's parking lot. The law states:
" "§134-A Carrying or possessing a firearm in certain locations and premises prohibited; penalty. (a) A person with a license issued under section 134-9, or authorized to carry a firearm in accordance with title 18 United States Code section 926B or 926C, shall not intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carry or possess a loaded or unloaded firearm, whether the firearm is operable or not, and whether the firearm is concealed or unconcealed, while in any of the following locations and premises within the State:
(1) Any building or office owned, leased, or used by the State or a county, and adjacent grounds and parking areas, including any portion of a building or office used for court proceedings, legislative business, contested case hearings, agency rulemaking, or other activities of state or county government"
So if the gun is in your trunk, then you aren't posessing it. But if you were to walk on property with the gun in a locked case and you're a CCW holder, then you're breaking the law.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 11, 2023, 12:55:16 PM
You cannot get permissions for sensitive places. 1250 Punchbowl is owned by the state and so is it's parking lot. The law states:
" "§134-A Carrying or possessing a firearm in certain locations and premises prohibited; penalty. (a) A person with a license issued under section 134-9, or authorized to carry a firearm in accordance with title 18 United States Code section 926B or 926C, shall not intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carry or possess a loaded or unloaded firearm, whether the firearm is operable or not, and whether the firearm is concealed or unconcealed, while in any of the following locations and premises within the State:
(1) Any building or office owned, leased, or used by the State or a county, and adjacent grounds and parking areas, including any portion of a building or office used for court proceedings, legislative business, contested case hearings, agency rulemaking, or other activities of state or county government"
So if the gun is in your trunk, then you aren't posessing it. But if you were to walk on property with the gun in a locked case and you're a CCW holder, then you're breaking the law.
If it's in your trunk, then you still have control of it. I think a case for "possession" would have to hinge on whether control has to be immediate versus in general.
Post by: randay on October 11, 2023, 01:16:27 PM
You cannot get permissions for sensitive places. 1250 Punchbowl is owned by the state and so is it's parking lot. The law states:
" "§134-A Carrying or possessing a firearm in certain locations and premises prohibited; penalty. (a) A person with a license issued under section 134-9, or authorized to carry a firearm in accordance with title 18 United States Code section 926B or 926C, shall not intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carry or possess a loaded or unloaded firearm, whether the firearm is operable or not, and whether the firearm is concealed or unconcealed, while in any of the following locations and premises within the State:
(1) Any building or office owned, leased, or used by the State or a county, and adjacent grounds and parking areas, including any portion of a building or office used for court proceedings, legislative business, contested case hearings, agency rulemaking, or other activities of state or county government"
So if the gun is in your trunk, then you aren't posessing it. But if you were to walk on property with the gun in a locked case and you're a CCW holder, then you're breaking the law.
Bummer, I guess law abiding CCW permit holders cannot participate in the first annual Gift Cards for Guns event. Ainokea carry permit holders can still get their giftcards tho, woohoo!
Also, cops wont have to ask you any questions to arrest you, and so they wont have to violate the no questions asked part of the flyer. GET ON THE GROUND! STOP RESISTING!
Post by: mrgaf on October 11, 2023, 03:01:38 PM
Post by: aieahound on October 11, 2023, 04:50:29 PM
At least now I know I got a good deal. I should’ve just given him a grocery store gift card. :D
Pretty sure he would’ve told me where I could put it though.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 11, 2023, 07:47:58 PM
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 11, 2023, 08:23:46 PM
Zero positive comments on various news facebook pages.
Thanks for that detailed report.
:geekdanc: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 12, 2023, 08:47:44 AM
Thanks for that detailed report.
:geekdanc: :rofl: :rofl:
Update to the detailed report, 1 positive comment. Comment was basically thanking the state for thinking outside the box. Like buy backs are a new thing.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 12, 2023, 09:48:22 AM
Update to the detailed report, 1 positive comment. Comment was basically thanking the state for thinking outside the box. Like buy backs are a new thing.
There are people (mostly under age 25) who actually think nothing that happened before their birth is important enough to know.
I can see the struggle. With so much information shoveled down our throats faster than we can click a screen, it's a wonder anyone has time to study events that happened before they learned to walk.
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The Honolulu Police Department reported that it participated in four gun buyback
programs since 1992. Each buyback event lasted two weeks. The most recent
was held seventeen years ago in 2000.
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The program offered $50 Foodland gift certificates, with a “no questions asked” policy.
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A goal of receiving at least 250https://ag.hawaii.gov/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/2018-Report-on-Review-of-Gun-Amnesty-Programs-in-Other-States.pdf
firearms was set, but after the first week, police received only 82 firearms. Of
those 82 guns, 44 were handguns, 33 were rifles, and five were shotguns. No
assault weapons were turned in. After an additional week, a total of 338 firearms
was received. Police checked each gun to determine whether it was stolen, and
then the collected firearms were sent to a metal recycling company to be
shredded. A total of 1,498 firearms was collected during the four buyback
programs.
I've seen bills proposed in 2013 and later to have more buybacks, but most were not approved likely due to funding.
Post by: Brystont1 on October 13, 2023, 09:52:58 AM
Or a pre 64 model 70 for $100
Or a model 29 for $100
You know it’s gonna happen.
Post by: RSN172 on October 13, 2023, 10:09:01 AM
Can you imagine someone turning in a match grade M1A for $200 :'( :'( :'(
Or a pre 64 model 70 for $100
Or a model 29 for $100
You know it’s gonna happen.
I will buy any of the above for $300 each.
Post by: Sayso on October 13, 2023, 05:39:11 PM
hope the card isn't for foodland, I hate the ala moana store.
It’s Foodland
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Post by: QUIETShooter on October 13, 2023, 05:45:32 PM
Maybe when more people find out it's Foodland nobody will turn their guns in. :rofl:
Post by: aieahound on October 13, 2023, 06:41:45 PM
Can you imagine someone turning in a match grade M1A for $200 :'( :'( :'(
Or a pre 64 model 70 for $100
Or a model 29 for $100
You know it’s gonna happen.
JC goin’ scour the line for Mean Deals. :shaka:
Pre ‘64 check
Pre Hillary hole S&W revolver check
M-1check
……
Nah. They got it set up so we can’t even offer people a little less than fair price.
Lotta times way higher than $200 and pretty much guarantee over $100.
Should schedule an assembly at a drop off site and fly flags half mast for the fallen ones that will be incinerated.
Post by: kkhawaii on October 14, 2023, 11:11:12 AM
Foodland not that great. Only go when nomo choice or if in the area. Still yet they nomo lots of stuff.
Maybe when more people find out it's Foodland nobody will turn their guns in. :rofl:
I believe it was foodland that posted up one of the first "firearms not allowed" signs...
makes sense the giftcards are for foodland.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 14, 2023, 11:27:25 AM
I believe it was foodland that posted up one of the first "firearms not allowed" signs...Yes, then they removed it.
makes sense the giftcards are for foodland.
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Post by: QUIETShooter on October 15, 2023, 04:19:54 PM
Well, I say, "Who in God's name would want a Foodland Gift Card". ::)
To those who do want one I suggest you go turn in your weapon with "a 100 rounds in it's....chamber...."
:rofl: :wave:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlVI0QbtaEs
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 15, 2023, 04:23:16 PM
Somebody today said "Who in God's name needs a weapon with a 100 rounds in it's....chamber....". :rofl:
Well, I say, "Who in God's name would want a Foodland Gift Card". ::)
To those who do want one I suggest you go turn in your weapon with "a 100 rounds in it's....chamber...."
:rofl: :wave:
I guess we don't need "high capacity magazines" when we can just cram 100 rounds into the chamber!
:crazy: :geekdanc:
Post by: ren on October 15, 2023, 05:52:14 PM
According to the report, those in opposition said firearms that are turned in are least likely to be used for criminal activity. But the Honolulu Police Department said in the report it had participated in gun buybacks in the past and successfully collected nearly 1,500 firearms. The guns are then destroyed.
“If you look at the research on the topic of gun buybacks in the United States, there isn’t very much and it’s kind of equivocal,” said Sen. Karl Rhoads, (D) Senate Judiciary Committee Chair. “But I would say it’s a good thing. It’s not going to hurt anything.”
idiot
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 15, 2023, 07:20:06 PM
https://www.khon2.com/local-news/hawaiis-new-gun-buyback-concept-turn-in-a-firearm-receive-a-gift-card/
According to the report, those in opposition said firearms that are turned in are least likely to be used for criminal activity. But the Honolulu Police Department said in the report it had participated in gun buybacks in the past and successfully collected nearly 1,500 firearms. The guns are then destroyed.
“If you look at the research on the topic of gun buybacks in the United States, there isn’t very much and it’s kind of equivocal,” said Sen. Karl Rhoads, (D) Senate Judiciary Committee Chair. “But I would say it’s a good thing. It’s not going to hurt anything.”
idiot
He doesn't get that taxes are not free money he just gets to spend willy-nilly.
Irresponsible, to say the least. Estimates for each buy-back have been $100K to $200K each. I guess that's a pittance compared to the Billion Dollar Rail.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on October 17, 2023, 09:08:30 AM
$200 gift card for this would make me happy.
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Tell HPD it's cerakoted.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on October 22, 2023, 11:35:52 AM
Nearly 500 guns, saw pics of an M1 carbine, 3 Remington shotguns and a scoped bolt action in the trunk of 1 car, $300 Wirth of gift cards for probably $3000 worth of guns.Suckers.
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Seen the polymer AR too. Trash gun, but some what collectable
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Post by: hvybarrels on October 22, 2023, 03:01:50 PM
Post by: ren on October 22, 2023, 07:12:24 PM
HFC will be requesting information about the origin of these guns as soon as it becomes available.
Still, organizers stand by the decision to hold these gun buy back events from time to time. Firearm violence remains the leading cause of death for children in the United States.
State Director of Health, Dr. Kenneth Fink said "While Hawaii has a low rate of firearm injuries and deaths, one out of 10 homes has a gun and last year, four children had non-fatal injuries and three children died from firearms.”
Safe storage of firearms at home can reduce the risk of suicide and accidental harm to children but Fink believes not having guns in the house is even safer.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsr1804754
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https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/child-health.htm
Post by: Brystont1 on October 22, 2023, 08:14:47 PM
Suckers.
Seen the polymer AR too. Trash gun, but some what collectable
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Seen the picture with all of those revolvers too. Seen a ruger Blackhawk and a bunch of S&W.
Post by: ren on October 23, 2023, 07:21:11 AM
:(
https://www.kitv.com/news/local/oahu-gun-buyback-event-raises-concerns-in-the-community/article_12fcf2e6-714c-11ee-a540-ab4a84904792.html
Post by: stangzilla on October 23, 2023, 08:13:39 AM
Seen the picture with all of those revolvers too. Seen a ruger Blackhawk and a bunch of S&W.
too bad Ruger and S&W owners are dumb asses. they could've sold that stuff for more money.
goes to show you what stupid people we have here in hawaii
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 23, 2023, 08:31:51 AM
too bad Ruger and S&W owners are dumb asses. they could've sold that stuff for more money.
goes to show you what stupid people we have here in hawaii
Or revolver owners are dumbasses......BBBUUURRRNNNNNNN. :rofl:
Post by: QUIETShooter on October 23, 2023, 08:37:03 AM
How secure and transparent is the pathway of firearms from that parking lot to the shredding machine and everything else in-between?
If there were, say, 500 firearms collected, is it enough for the guy at the shredder to "count" and make sure there is 500 firearms before shredding? What's stopping a SW 29 valued at $1000 plus turned in to be replaced by a Hawes .22 revolver valued at $100? To most of these asshats a firearm is a firearm and wouldn't know the difference.
I'm not saying this is happening. I'm saying how does people like me in the public be assured?
This is why conspiracy theorists (like me) are born.
Post by: stangzilla on October 23, 2023, 08:42:29 AM
Or revolver owners are dumbasses......BBBUUURRRNNNNNNN. :rofl:
that hurt my feelings, bro. :( :(
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 23, 2023, 08:53:50 AM
that hurt my feelings, bro. :( :(
lol.
On a side note, Komrade Green was on the KHON2 this morn. quotes:
""We saw a few officers lose their lives a few years ago. Those high power guns dont need to be in society"
"we did the buy back to help the girl that got shot in the head".
"Society doesnt need that many guns, there was even a machine gun"
Post by: oldfart on October 23, 2023, 09:27:28 AM
lol....
On a side note, Komrade Green was on the KHON2 this morn. quotes:
""We saw a few officers lose their lives a few years ago. Those high power guns dont need to be in society"
"we did the buy back to help the girl that got shot in the head".
"Society doesnt need that many guns, there was even a machine gun"
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Post by: changemyoil66 on October 23, 2023, 09:31:57 AM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 23, 2023, 09:57:54 AM
https://www.kitv.com/news/local/oahu-gun-buyback-event-raises-concerns-in-the-community/article_12fcf2e6-714c-11ee-a540-ab4a84904792.html
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Firearm violence remains the leading cause of death for children in the United States.
That's a lie. That "statistic" includes anyone under the age of 19!
Sliding the scale to "under 19" catches anyone who is "18 years old", too. Tricky little device to skew the stats.
There are various contexts in which someone is judged to be an adult, but 18 is in the legal sense where a person is no longer their parents' legal responsibility.
18 also happens to be the age where kids out of high school get involved with gangs full time, which is how most of these "children" wind up on the wrong side of a gun.
Then you have to take into account that suicides involving those between 14-17 y.o. account for 38% of "child' firearm deaths. Using the term "firearm violence" has been explored on here, and this is a great example of how the term is ambiguous enough to increase "firearm deaths among children" by more than a third of the total.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 23, 2023, 10:52:23 AM
That's a lie. That "statistic" includes anyone under the age of 19!
Sliding the scale to "under 19" catches anyone who is "18 years old", too. Tricky little device to skew the stats.
There are various contexts in which someone is judged to be an adult, but 18 is in the legal sense where a person is no longer their parents' legal responsibility.
18 also happens to be the age where kids out of high school get involved with gangs full time, which is how most of these "children" wind up on the wrong side of a gun.
Then you have to take into account that suicides involving those between 14-17 y.o. account for 38% of "child' firearm deaths. Using the term "firearm violence" has been explored on here, and this is a great example of how the term is ambiguous enough to increase "firearm deaths among children" by more than a third of the total.
This is how they control us. Change the definition of things.
Post by: macsak on October 23, 2023, 11:07:15 AM
the age range is 1-19
this eliminates problems at or just after birth
lies, damn lies, and statistics...
That's a lie. That "statistic" includes anyone under the age of 19!
Sliding the scale to "under 19" catches anyone who is "18 years old", too. Tricky little device to skew the stats.
There are various contexts in which someone is judged to be an adult, but 18 is in the legal sense where a person is no longer their parents' legal responsibility.
18 also happens to be the age where kids out of high school get involved with gangs full time, which is how most of these "children" wind up on the wrong side of a gun.
Then you have to take into account that suicides involving those between 14-17 y.o. account for 38% of "child' firearm deaths. Using the term "firearm violence" has been explored on here, and this is a great example of how the term is ambiguous enough to increase "firearm deaths among children" by more than a third of the total.
Post by: macsak on October 23, 2023, 11:08:00 AM
it's even more of a lie
the age range is 1-19
this eliminates problems at or just after birth
lies, damn lies, and statistics...
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 23, 2023, 11:12:01 AM
and it was #1 for only one year, yet they are still counting it as number one like it is always that way...
WOw.
DId they ever say why it was #1 for that year?
Post by: macsak on October 23, 2023, 11:38:16 AM
WOw.
DId they ever say why it was #1 for that year?
it's always close if they count it that way...
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 23, 2023, 11:41:24 AM
it's always close if they count it that way...
"In my opinion" the reply is "I don't know if they disclosed what made it #1 that year".
Post by: macsak on October 23, 2023, 11:45:24 AM
focus...
"In my opinion" the reply is "I don't know if they disclosed what made it #1 that year".
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 23, 2023, 11:46:46 AM
dude, if they were going to lie to make it number one, they wouldn't only do it for one year
focus...
"in my opinion"
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 23, 2023, 11:54:56 AM
Firearms were second for the longest time, with drowning a distant 3rd.
For any stat you can pick a given year or other period of time in order to make things look better or worse than other times.
Still, the inclusion of 18-19 year olds and a 38% suicide rate among their "child" grouping shows how dishonest these people are, and how willingly the media spreads this lies without an ounce of fact-checking.
Post by: oldfart on October 23, 2023, 02:19:33 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 23, 2023, 04:24:38 PM
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Post by: pacwire on October 23, 2023, 04:33:16 PM
State Sheriffs is the lead agency. Joining soon
Attorney Generals
State Narcotics
Harbor Police
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 23, 2023, 06:16:29 PM
sorry I'm not catching the joke with the dog
He still doesn't know how to post Instagram links.
Maybe that's a reference to trying to teach an old dog new tricks! :geekdanc:
Try this one:
?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
If you copy and paste this, it should take you to the site so you can read the comments:
Code: [Select]
https://www.instagram.com/p/CywK0WuPpSp/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 23, 2023, 06:24:22 PM
So much for anonymity!
Post by: ren on October 23, 2023, 06:28:08 PM
sorry I'm not catching the joke with the dog
that dog wouldn't survive a day in our 'hood...Maltese adobo
Post by: QUIETShooter on October 23, 2023, 07:39:52 PM
sorry I'm not catching the joke with the dog
Ok. That's good cause now I no feel too bad. I thought only was me.
Post by: Hokukane on October 23, 2023, 11:35:51 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 24, 2023, 04:36:09 AM
Would be awsome if hpd could auction them. They could make some money, we could score some deals, but that would make too much sense.
When the agenda of the state is to prevent as many as possible from having access to guns, "sense" is not a factor.
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The Honolulu Police Department ran four gun buyback events between 1992 and 2000 whichhttps://www.civilbeat.org/2023/10/cops-want-guns-off-the-streets-but-are-buyback-programs-the-way/
were funded by the Housing and Urban Development Department, according to a 2018 attorney
general’s report.
A total of 1,498 firearms were collected and destroyed over the course of the four events, but
the report gave a tepid review of gun buybacks overall.
The guns recovered “typically are not the type used in the commission of a crime,” the report says.
Post by: oldfart on October 24, 2023, 05:59:58 AM
HPD destroyed their old service pistols including about 200 new-unused guns.
That is the mentality of this state.
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good idea
I just sent this message:
RE: Destruction of a HALF MILLION dollars worth of taxpayer funded property is ludicrous. Specifically, I am referring to the destruction of the old HPD service pistols. Some of which are brand new and never used. As I understand it, they won't even be sold to HPD or law enforcement officers. Those old pistols are very safe and valuable well crafted all-steel pistols, not some cheap plastic thing like the current Glock replacements. I strongly urge you to consider the ramifications of destroying a half million dollars worth of publicly funded property.
Post by: QUIETShooter on October 24, 2023, 07:56:11 AM
This post was 8 years ago. A half million dollars wasted.
HPD destroyed their old service pistols including about 200 new-unused guns.
That is the mentality of this state.
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Funny, yeah, how easy to waste other people's money, the very ones funding your paycheck. HPD, in a way it's not your fault. You are just in lockstep with idiot and uncaring lawmakers who happen to be your bosses.
Post by: ren on October 24, 2023, 09:18:38 AM
Post by: hvybarrels on October 24, 2023, 09:24:39 AM
That doesn't strike anyone else as possibly an awkward attempt to inflate the numbers?
Post by: Akubone1 on October 24, 2023, 09:37:39 AM
Post by: oldfart on October 24, 2023, 09:39:25 AM
Does HPD still auction off its older patrol vehicles?....
Not sure, but there are some homeless folks living in a crown vic at the park across the street. :rofl:
They move back and forth from the park to Times Waipahu. Nice folks. I talk to them.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 24, 2023, 09:40:35 AM
Is the consensus that the buy back program is a bad thing? I see it as good, especially because it’s an option and totally voluntary. Transferring firearms to strangers might be a hassle to some. My friends 88 yr old grandmother was left with some firearms. She doesn’t know anything about guns and my friend didn’t want to get involved. Sat in a safe for yrs. I’d think something like this would be great for them????
The way gun buy backs are marketed makes it bad and anti 2a. Read my post above what Green said about it. Even Komrade Karl said there is no evidence that buy backs help reduce anything. And of the 2, Green has a much higher position than Komrade.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 24, 2023, 10:33:16 AM
Is the consensus that the buy back program is a bad thing? I see it as good, especially because it’s an option and totally voluntary. Transferring firearms to strangers might be a hassle to some. My friends 88 yr old grandmother was left with some firearms. She doesn’t know anything about guns and my friend didn’t want to get involved. Sat in a safe for yrs. I’d think something like this would be great for them????
Ask yourself 2 things: can the state really afford $90K to do a buyback? The term "buyback" is a misnomer. To buy a gun back, they would have had to have sold it. It's basically a tax-payer-funded bribe to get guns turned into the state.
The other thing to ask is, who really benefits? I think it's Cops. They are less fearful of an unarmed populace. The police department, which you help fund, has been on the frontlines supporting gun control laws every step of the way.
The buybacks don't do what's advertised: get guns "off the streets." They simply get guns out of grandma's closet and out of Kimo's trashcan so they can reap a little benefit from inherited or unsellable guns. They bragged they took "ghost guns" in at the buyback. Were those guns in the hands of criminals? Or were they simply owned by law-abiding citizens with no intention of committing crimes who took advantage of the opportunity to get rid of a legal hot potato?
They are using our taxes to fund a program that benefits a few and doesn't do anything to stop "gun violence". You tell me if that's a bad thing?
Oh, and although the state has been "awarded" a $97K grant by the feds to do this, (1) that's still tax payer funded, and (2) the state has yet to accept the grant. I remember a few years ago the state forfeited a couple million in grant money for education, even though they spent years making changes to comply with the rules of the grant.
The state dropped the ball and failed to apply for the money!! Don't be shocked if that happens again. "I was wondering why it was taking so long to see the grant money." :crazy:
You might also want to read this article I linked:
https://www.civilbeat.org/2023/10/cops-want-guns-off-the-streets-but-are-buyback-programs-the-way/
Post by: randay on October 24, 2023, 12:23:46 PM
Is the consensus that the buy back program is a bad thing? I see it as good, especially because it’s an option and totally voluntary. Transferring firearms to strangers might be a hassle to some. My friends 88 yr old grandmother was left with some firearms. She doesn’t know anything about guns and my friend didn’t want to get involved. Sat in a safe for yrs. I’d think something like this would be great for them????
I think the consensus is that its a good thing but doesnt actually do much to stop criminals.
Post by: Htdnbt808 on October 24, 2023, 12:56:37 PM
Post by: ren on October 24, 2023, 01:48:51 PM
HPD is part of the problem of having illegal guns on the streets, theres crooked cops in there selling guns to family and friends. How I know this, a friend of mines asked me on a opinion about a gun he was buying and i asked where he getting it, he was buying it from a family member in the department that was going to sell it to him unregistered and everything. Goes to show how many of um are doing this for a long time.
false
Post by: hvybarrels on October 24, 2023, 04:37:17 PM
false
HPD never does any shady stuff
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Post by: oldfart on October 24, 2023, 06:36:44 PM
false....
Government Jolly Green is laughing at you guys bitching and fighting against each other. It's a basic war strategy. Divide and conquer.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 25, 2023, 09:05:27 AM
....
Government Jolly Green is laughing at you guys bitching and fighting against each other. It's a basic war strategy. Divide and conquer.
And Komrade Karl among others.
Post by: zippz on October 25, 2023, 10:40:51 AM
HPD is part of the problem of having illegal guns on the streets, theres crooked cops in there selling guns to family and friends. How I know this, a friend of mines asked me on a opinion about a gun he was buying and i asked where he getting it, he was buying it from a family member in the department that was going to sell it to him unregistered and everything. Goes to show how many of um are doing this for a long time.
It's possible, there are dirty cops that abuse power and break the law. But not probable as vast majority of cops won't do that. Could be he misheard something or took it out of context. And you rarely get a correction if it was a mistake.
Post by: zippz on October 25, 2023, 10:48:52 AM
I bet a lot of them are inherited guns that weren't transferred properly. Or people didn't register them and are afraid and don't know what to do. It is a hassle to transfer and sell guns and for many they don't want to sell a gun to someone they don't know. It's peace of mind for someone that doesn't know anything about guns. And it probably is safer if they have children in the home and don't know anything about firearms safety.
Post by: macsak on November 02, 2023, 10:31:06 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UX-tDxh6ZM
and it was #1 for only one year, yet they are still counting it as number one like it is always that way...
Post by: astroboy on December 10, 2023, 11:01:57 PM
https://youtu.be/4GtnTWplCLg