2aHawaii
General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: changemyoil66 on October 16, 2023, 08:15:51 AM
-
Since low ammo supplies and increased prices come periodically, makes you wonder how much do you really need?
Factors that will vary per person:
1) How often do you train
a) How often can you afford to train with higher prices
2) What is your goal: Self defense, competitive shooting, bench shooting, trap, etc...
3) Money/budget
Add in what I'm missing.
Based on friends who have bought their 1st firearm due to BLM/COVID/Riots,etc...I have a few who have yet to shoot, but have been dry firing and practicing manipulations at home. For someone like this, I would say as many mags as you can load. Many only have what the mags that came with (handgun). So 50rds. This group of friends havent fired their gun in over a year or at all.
THen I have other friends who bought for the above, but go to the range every 6 months or so. For them, I would say 50rds self defense rounds. And what ever you plan to shoot in another 6 months. So like 100rds. No need buy cases of ammo.
Personally, for us, we haven't really shot since the range closed, so I have had no need to buy ammo. But what I would do is keep about 2-3K on hand and replace as I use it. Which means if we shoot 300rds in a skill builder/open shoot, I'm buying about that much within a week or so. Or if I know we're shooting a few skill builders in a month, then buy a case next month. I see no need to panic buy.
Then add in I know guys with 10K rounds of each caliber and they panic buy more cases of ammo. Most don't even shoot once every 4 months, even when the range was in full operation.
This doesn't factor in reloaders.
-
Whatever makes financial sense and gets me through shortages.
In general one year of ammo is a good guideline for most that are actively training. You can buy ammo by the case which is cheaper and for match shooters you can buy by the lot#, and one year ammo will get you through minor shortages. For major shortages, you can conserve and stretch out that ammo to two or three years.
Defensive ammo I'll shoot a box, 50rnds, to check for reliability, arm up with one box, and have one box for replacements.
I will stock up on stuff if I see a really good deal. I bought 2400 rnds of 3006 from the CMP for 15 cents a round 20 years ago. It's going to last me a long time tho I donated a couple cans to charity.
-
Whatever makes financial sense and gets me through shortages.
In general one year of ammo is a good guideline for most that are actively training. You can buy ammo by the case which is cheaper and for match shooters you can buy by the lot#, and one year ammo will get you through minor shortages. For major shortages, you can conserve and stretch out that ammo to two or three years.
Defensive ammo I'll shoot two boxes(100rnds) to check for reliability, arm up with one box, and have one box for replacements.
I will stock up on stuff if I see a really good deal. I bought 2400 rnds of 3006 from the CMP for 15 cents a round 20 years ago. It's going to last me a long time tho I donated a couple cans to charity.
I treat ammo like the stock market -- using dollar cost averaging.
if i have half a case left which I paid $300/case for, and i see it for $250, I get another case. That averages out to $275/case. Buying lower makes the higher priced ammo cheaper on average.
Doing that saves money in the long run. If the price keeps dropping, and you're actually expending rounds on a regular basis, it makes sense to keep buying at regular intervals.
When the price goes up, no need to panic. So what if you now have to pay $350? The lower priced ammo you have already brings that $350 price down via averaging. If you find you have more ammo than you can use in a year, you are situated to take advantage of the next price surge/supply shortage.
Buy low -- sell high.
-
223/556, 9mm, 45acp, 357mag/38sp is what I shoot most, so that's what I stock up on. at least 2-3k rounds each
also shoot a lot of 44mag, but I try to reload that when I can bc it's expensive and I like to load them specially for each gun (some guns can handle hotter loads, or sometimes I like to load them not so hot bc they are lead bullets, same goes for 357)
308 I don't shoot much of either so I keep 1k of those. plus I reload that too so I like to custom load those too
I can reload any caliber I have but I like to reload the ones that are more expensive or that I like to custom load
-
also shoot a lot of 44mag, but I try to reload that when I can bc it's expensive and I like to load them specially for each gun (some guns can handle hotter loads, or sometimes I like to load them not so hot bc they are lead bullets, same goes for 357)
Since it's my thread, I'll go off topic.
Even though a gun can handle a hotter load, why would you do that? Wouldn't it be wasting powder? I mean, guess to have more bang/recoil cause it's cool.
-
none
Since low ammo supplies and increased prices come periodically, makes you wonder how much do you really need?
Factors that will vary per person:
1) How often do you train
a) How often can you afford to train with higher prices
2) What is your goal: Self defense, competitive shooting, bench shooting, trap, etc...
3) Money/budget
Add in what I'm missing.
Based on friends who have bought their 1st firearm due to BLM/COVID/Riots,etc...I have a few who have yet to shoot, but have been dry firing and practicing manipulations at home. For someone like this, I would say as many mags as you can load. Many only have what the mags that came with (handgun). So 50rds. This group of friends havent fired their gun in over a year or at all.
THen I have other friends who bought for the above, but go to the range every 6 months or so. For them, I would say 50rds self defense rounds. And what ever you plan to shoot in another 6 months. So like 100rds. No need buy cases of ammo.
Personally, for us, we haven't really shot since the range closed, so I have had no need to buy ammo. But what I would do is keep about 2-3K on hand and replace as I use it. Which means if we shoot 300rds in a skill builder/open shoot, I'm buying about that much within a week or so. Or if I know we're shooting a few skill builders in a month, then buy a case next month. I see no need to panic buy.
Then add in I know guys with 10K rounds of each caliber and they panic buy more cases of ammo. Most don't even shoot once every 4 months, even when the range was in full operation.
This doesn't factor in reloaders.
-
none
U mean 4th factor
If you own no firearms or reloading equipment.
-
Since it's my thread, I'll go off topic.
Even though a gun can handle a hotter load, why would you do that? Wouldn't it be wasting powder? I mean, guess to have more bang/recoil cause it's cool.
yeah, part of it is the cool factor
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52290687535_de4b5eafa4_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52059303561_74405dac5e_z.jpg)
another part is accuracy. sometimes the load gets more accurate the hotter it is. but I never go outside the recommended powder level, always within powder factory recommendations
for instance, 308 is most accurate when it is near the powder limit. at least that's what works in my guns, with the powder and bullets I am using
most calibers are not nearly as accurate at the bottom powder level as they are near the top
most times I don't load them to the absolute top of the powder level bc it doesn't make much difference in accuracy as a slightly lighter level. if the slightly lighter powder works the same as the hotter load, then I'll just go with the less powder
my stronger guns I'll load hotter bc that's what they're for. My not as strong guns or smaller guns or ones that I cannot handle the recoil really well with, I'll load lighter
H110 is a popular powder to use for magnum handgun cartridges. and the recommended level starts at a pretty hot level, so no choice but to load it hot. that's what H110 is for anyways
plus, I didn't get magnum revolvers to shoot weak ammo. I got them to shot the hot stuff. If I want to shoot weak stuff, I'll shoot my Glock 9mm :rofl:
-
It also depends on the caliber. one could easily argue for a reason to have 1000 or multiple thousands of 223, 556, or 308. but not for 375h&h, 416 rigby, 6.5x55 swedish.
i say anywhere from 100-2000 per caliber. any more than that and you are just hoarding. or shooting competitively.
-
During the Barry Obummer years, I tried to keep at least a 1000 per caliber. After the Covid shortage I try to keep enough to take a Skill Builder/Training class every month, even though I don't go every month.
-
Rather than "per caliber', I was buying 'per firearm." For 3 @ .22LR rifles and 2 @ .22LR pistols, I was stocking enough to have 1,000 rds per gun. At one point, i had 22,000 rds of .22LR for 2 ruger 10/22s, 2 CZ rifles, 1 S&W M&P 15-22, 1 Ruger Single-10 revolver, 1 Sig Sauer 1911-22, and 1 NAA 5-shot derringer. That would be a MINIMUM of 8,000rds for 'stockpiling plus more for range visits.
Since .22 seems to not last as long at the range as larger calibers -- much, much more!
if you're a collector, then the rules are obviously different. No need to stock up on ammo for "safe queens."
Then there's the "range" ammo versus "Home and Personal Defense" ammo. IMO, cases of ammo are for the range; boxes of ammo are for ... off-range use. Get defensive ammo for those weapons plus a little extra. After 6-12 months or so, refresh the defensive firearms with new and use the old at the range. Always good to buy the same brand/type if you know that works perfectly in our gun/s.
-
For hunting guns I probably have about 50 rounds per gun.
For AR and 9MM I probably have about 500
For .22lr I think I have over two thousand.
Shotgun... I don't even know, maybe a few hundred rounds each
-
When I bought my first pistol, I was going to an apartment in Makiki to reload.
One of my classmates bought a rockchucker and I bought popeyes fried chicken. :rofl:
It was as much a social gathering as it was a reloading party.
It seems to me that if you and your friends could do that, it would be beneficial to all of you.
Just have to make sure one of your group members is experienced enough to guide the newbies.
-
What's the best way to store ammo? I got some in ammo cans with desiccant bags and some vacuum sealed. Do you think they'll be fine 2-3 yrs from now? Got some 223, 9mm, and a bunch of 22.
-
What's the best way to store ammo? I got some in ammo cans with desiccant bags and some vacuum sealed. Do you think they'll be fine 2-3 yrs from now? Got some 223, 9mm, and a bunch of 22.
For long term storage (like 10+ years) ...
#1 consideration is moisture. Use metal (surplus or new) metal ammo cans, or sturdy plastic ammo containers. As long as they have good seals to keep out humidity and water, they should work fine.
Use desiccant to absorb moisture inside the can. if they are reusable, make sure to reactivate them periodically. if they are disposable, replace them periodically.
Wear latex gloves when packing ammo. Depending on your body chemistry, the oils on your skin can cause severe ammo corrosion.
Put a moisture/humidity gauge in the area where the ammo is stored. Have it alert you when the humidity exceeds a safe level if it has that feature. Here on Oahu, I have one in my safe. It exceeds 50% humidity if I don't change the DampRid product monthly. i get an alert at 68%. The recommended level for ammo I've seen is max 25%. That's not happening for me unless I get a central AC home with a dehumidifier.
Move bulk ammo from cardboard containers to plastic bags, like Ziploc. Cardboard can retain moisture.
Keep ammo cans off the floor -- either on shelves or a pallet.
If there's a chance the cans can get wet (pallet on the basement floor next to a water heater and beneath water pipes?), cover it well with plastic sheeting or tarps.
#2 consideration is heat. Below 150° F is safe. if locked in a shipping container in the desert or locked in the car under Hawaii sun for 3 months, it might be a good idea to start rotating that ammo for range use. I doubt this temperature concern is much of one.
For short term storage, I would advise using many of the same tips above to keep the ammo "fresh". I actually make one set of long term storage cans, usually larger 50 cal, and smaller 30 cal cans for range use. Keeps the lids closed on the storage cans and keeps the weight down for range visits.
Periodically, you will take from the long term can to replenish the range supply, but cracking open those cans shouldn't happen nearly as often as the range supply. I assume that helps prevent moisture from getting into the long term storage.
-
What's the best way to store ammo? I got some in ammo cans with desiccant bags and some vacuum sealed. Do you think they'll be fine 2-3 yrs from now? Got some 223, 9mm, and a bunch of 22.
==========
In ammo cans it last maybe 50-60 years.
Some manufacturers are better than others.
You definitely get duds when it approaches the 100 year mark.
Not joking.
-
==========
In ammo cans it last maybe 50-60 years.
Some manufacturers are better than others.
You definitely get duds when it approaches the 100 year mark.
Not joking.
I've heard rumors that some fire departments have refused to enter a home where there's a good amount of ammo stored unless it's in metal containers.
i've also seen videos where people have done extensive tests to see if ammo will actually ignite and do any damage under firey conditions. Without the compression of a round inside a chamber and barrel, if the ammo even does fire, it has no velocity compared to being fired from a gun. Out of hundreds of rounds in this one test, they managed to get one round to fire, and it didn't penetrate the drywall it hit right next to it.
Something else to research when deciding on what storage ontainers to use.
-
Factors? #1 definitely, plus factor in who you train with and if you take folks shooting for various reasons. Like getting new(er) people into shooting, helping casual owners shoot more, etc. #2 purpose or interest is a big consideration. Competitive shooting requires a lot. Could easily shoot 100+ in a given day, plus many folks would shoot 2x a week. I got into precision rifle in the last many years and 20-40 rounds was the typical session. Stocking up on components used to be easier, and I think to a certain extent still easier than finding common calibers during ammo "crazes".
#3 is probably the most important and realistic. Not everyone has the same financial situation, which includes factors like family. I used to try to stock up on bulk ammo when I had the funds and then here and there when I got to a certain minimum level. Trying to wait for sales on ammo, when they were available at certain prices. Since I got back into shooting more, I've been through at least 2 ammo crazes. The worst I remember was post sandy hook when everything was out. Maybe you could find .40 S&W here and there, but nothing in 9, 45, 5.56/.223, .22 lr. Even guns were selling at ridiculous prices. Talk about price gouging? That's why I never buy anything from Cheaper than Dirt and other shops that gouged.
How much ammo do I "need"? Not that much, but I try to have more than what I think I need. Availability and recent interests are the biggest factors recently. I don't shoot my defensive ammo much, but try to buy those on regular basis.
-
What's the best way to store ammo? I got some in ammo cans with desiccant bags and some vacuum sealed. Do you think they'll be fine 2-3 yrs from now? Got some 223, 9mm, and a bunch of 22.
While better to be safe than sorry, 2-3 years isn't very long for storage. Assuming kept in factory packaging and stored indoors (dry and not direct sunlight), will be fine. I have inherited ammo from my dad and uncles that were stored in factory packaging (most in metal ammo cans) and all shot fine. Some .22 lr were duds, but I think that was the super cheap stuff. 7.62x39, 30-30, 30-06, .45 ACP and more all fired great. Some were well over 50 years old. Some still had the labels from where they were purchased, including Honsport :o
-
I've heard rumors that some fire departments have refused to enter a home where there's a good amount of ammo stored unless it's in metal containers.
i've also seen videos where people have done extensive tests to see if ammo will actually ignite and do any damage under firey conditions. Without the compression of a round inside a chamber and barrel, if the ammo even does fire, it has no velocity compared to being fired from a gun. Out of hundreds of rounds in this one test, they managed to get one round to fire, and it didn't penetrate the drywall it hit right next to it.
Something else to research when deciding on what storage ontainers to use.
Like Flapp said, no danger from loaded rounds.
However very large amounts of powder and especially primers can be dangerous.
https://youtu.be/3SlOXowwC4c
-
I've heard rumors that some fire departments have refused to enter a home where there's a good amount of ammo stored unless it's in metal containers.
i've also seen videos where people have done extensive tests to see if ammo will actually ignite and do any damage under firey conditions. Without the compression of a round inside a chamber and barrel, if the ammo even does fire, it has no velocity compared to being fired from a gun. Out of hundreds of rounds in this one test, they managed to get one round to fire, and it didn't penetrate the drywall it hit right next to it.
Something else to research when deciding on what storage ontainers to use.
I think I posted a thread on this some years ago and you are correct. Some rounds barely got stuck in drywall. So I'll bet they won't even penetrate a fire jacket. HFD SOP if they hear rounds popping off is to stay out. IDK about if they find ammo/ammo cans during a search. I mean it would be the same as finding a propane tank while searching. I think it would depend on how close the fire is to said things that can go boom with heat. Or would they take the time to take the items and toss them out the window to avoid them going boom if the fire isn't able to be isolated.
With that being said, storing ammo in a plastic or even metal ammo can won't help much from a direct fire. Even fire rated safes in a direct fire, I've seen them opened and the plastic parts on the AR's inside were all melted, even some gas tubes were melted. . Although the safe itself is "flame" resistant, the stuff inside will heat up and direct fire can cause damage. But would someone be willing to spend thousands of $ on a fire rated safe just to store ammo? I know a few who do, but I would say your average gun owner won't.
In the end, things to protect against fire buys you and the fire department time from the rounds cooking off.
-
Re. Ammo in a fire...
I was at the range when hpd guys had to get rid of turned-in ammo. They set a 55gal drum on the combat range and lit a fire in it, then threw the ammo in. It sounded like popcorn.
This was circa 40 years ago.
-
Re. Ammo in a fire...
I was at the range when hpd guys had to get rid of turned-in ammo. They set a 55gal drum on the combat range and lit a fire in it, then threw the ammo in. It sounded like popcorn.
This was circa 40 years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_od2YfftD4
FF 1:30
For some reason, I can imagine them doing this.
-
How much ammo do you REALLY need? Not much. I would say 100 rounds per defensive firearm is plenty. Think about it. If your situation is not resolved by the time you fired 100 rounds, you needed more help than your firearm could provide. The way I look at it is by the time I could fire 100 rounds, either the perp(s) or myself would be dead. There is a big difference between really need, feel comfortable with, and want to have.
-
Took my friend to DCT to buy his first batch of ammo. He's had a handgun for 6 months and no ammo. He bought a case of 9mm FMJ and 300rds HP.
-
How much ammo do you REALLY need? Not much. I would say 100 rounds per defensive firearm is plenty. Think about it. If your situation is not resolved by the time you fired 100 rounds, you needed more help than your firearm could provide. The way I look at it is by the time I could fire 100 rounds, either the perp(s) or myself would be dead. There is a big difference between really need, feel comfortable with, and want to have.
Yeah, I agree more thought and emphasis should be on acquiring good deals on range and practice ammunition. If you shoot a lot then you should always be looking out ahead for good deals, and not be too concerned if you are stockpiling billions and billions of rounds. ;)
Defensive ammo, not so much. I mean, how much HP rounds do you need before the zombie hordes come to eat your boto? :D
Seriously though, defensive ammo just a couple of boxes and rotate out every year or so.
-
Took my friend to DCT to buy his first batch of ammo. He's had a handgun for 6 months and no ammo. He bought a case of 9mm FMJ and 300rds HP.
...
Hmmm...bought a gun and no ammo?
Isn't that like buying a car with no gas?
(Or an electric car with no batteries)
-
...
Hmmm...bought a gun and no ammo?
Isn't that like buying a car with no gas?
(Or an electric car with no batteries)
I need to take baby steps with him. Even though he's from Chiraq and understands the importance of being armed and not relying on others to respond, he is still scared of guns. Due to more events unfolding here and across the world, he is taking 1 more step.
He also asked me if he should buy lots of ammo and sell later at a higher price. I explained my philosophy when it comes to the 2a and how I wouldn't use capitalism against fellow 2a people. He is financially stable.
-
I need to take baby steps with him. Even though he's from Chiraq and understands the importance of being armed and not relying on others to respond, he is still scared of guns. Due to more events unfolding here and across the world, he is taking 1 more step.
He also asked me if he should buy lots of ammo and sell later at a higher price. I explained my philosophy when it comes to the 2a and how I wouldn't use capitalism against fellow 2a people. He is financially stable.
you obviously not fully assimilated. Chinese proverb: BaiLo SellHai
and always carry pocket abacus
-
I need to take baby steps with him. Even though he's from Chiraq and understands the importance of being armed and not relying on others to respond, he is still scared of guns. Due to more events unfolding here and across the world, he is taking 1 more step.
He also asked me if he should buy lots of ammo and sell later at a higher price. I explained my philosophy when it comes to the 2a and how I wouldn't use capitalism against fellow 2a people. He is financially stable.
A separate issue with him is would he shoot if needed or would he allow a bad guy to take the gun from him. Something he has to come to terms with before an incident.
But yea, I wouldn't purposefully buy ammo to resell it. Though if I stocked up when it's plentiful and there is an extreme shortage later, I may sell it if the price was right.
-
If your friend is a newbie, he should get out to the range and practice. I can coach if needed. No charge but I don't mind a few bucks for gas. It's a 60 mile round trip to the range. :rofl:
-
you obviously not fully assimilated. Chinese proverb: BaiLo SellHai
and always carry pocket abacus
...
Spoken like a true pake
-
interesting how this conversation turned out after the gun show because there were market forces on full display - no inhibitions! People were buying from each other and reselling ;D
-
For now, I recommend not buying more than what you need now. Price will come back down in a few months as demand comes down and manufacturers ramp up.
There's probably enough ammo being made now to supply everyone. It's the panic buyers hoarding ammo and resellers that's the problem
-
I think biden is the reason for panic buying.
And his foreign policy. If he even has one.
Oh and liberals and their kumbaya philosophy on burglars, rapists, and criminals in general. :wave:
3 different things that when come together equals:
SHTF or
TEOTWAWKI
edited to add: Also some people plan to barter with ammo since money will be worthless, maybe good for wipe da ass.
-
For now, I recommend not buying more than what you need now. Price will come back down in a few months as demand comes down and manufacturers ramp up.
There's probably enough ammo being made now to supply everyone. It's the panic buyers hoarding ammo and resellers that's the problem
there is no problem. There are market forces at work. Buying and selling is not a crime if it was our real estate market is in trouble. We are at freedom to buy and sell when we want. No one is forcing anyone to buy or sell.
Another issue with your problem definition is "enough ammo being made now to supply everyone"
How do you determine a person's supply? You give them a ration?
-
there is no problem. There are market forces at work. Buying and selling is not a crime if it was our real estate market is in trouble. We are at freedom to buy and sell when we want. No one is forcing anyone to buy or sell.
Another issue with your problem definition is "enough ammo being made now to supply everyone"
How do you determine a person's supply? You give them a ration?
What is up with this post? I didn't mention anything about forcing and nationally, I believe there's sufficient ammo made to supply everyone. Recommending people not to hoard or resell at this time allows demand and supply to balance and stabilize so other people can get the ammo they need right now. It's not radical ideology.
Note: post wasn't directed to you if that's the misunderstanding. Just people in general.
-
What is up with this post? I didn't mention anything about forcing and nationally, I believe there's sufficient ammo made to supply everyone. Recommending people not to hoard or resell at this time allows demand and supply to balance and stabilize so other people can get the ammo they need right now. It's not radical ideology.
Note: post wasn't directed to you if that's the misunderstanding. Just people in general.
you identified 'hoarders and resellers" as the problem They are not. Resellers are retailers who buy from distributors or direct from manufacturers. So if I have a case of ammo to your box, am I a hoarder?
-
For me personally I plan to buy range (practice) ammo when I feel the price is what I'm comfortable shelling out.
Right now KHSC is limited as far as range days and time slots but who knows, if or when things get better at least I have the practice ammo to go whenever I want to, instead of letting the ammo stash dictate if I go or not.
I like to go to Vegas. I like to gamble. I have a bankroll fund that is used only for that. Nothing else. I apply the same thinking to my ammo budget.
-
For me personally I plan to buy range (practice) ammo when I feel the price is what I'm comfortable shelling out.
Right now KHSC is limited as far as range days and time slots but who knows, if or when things get better at least I have the practice ammo to go whenever I want to, instead of letting the ammo stash dictate if I go or not.
I like to go to Vegas. I like to gamble. I have a bankroll fund that is used only for that. Nothing else. I apply the same thinking to my ammo budget.
Place ur entire ammo bankroll on black for roulette and double up. Then parlay. No need worry about ammo prices.
Sent from my SM-G991U using Tapatalk
-
Place ur entire ammo bankroll on black for roulette and double up. Then parlay. No need worry about ammo prices.
Sent from my SM-G991U using Tapatalk
I always bet on black when playing roulette. And I do parlay! :thumbsup: Sometimes it works well but most times I get killed.
I going end of December. :shaka:
-
I always bet on black when playing roulette. And I do parlay! :thumbsup: Sometimes it works well but most times I get killed.
I going end of December. :shaka:
I hear some casinos are now using wheels with triple zeros.
The house edge with a single green zero spot is 2.7%. With a double zero on the wheel, the house edge nearly doubles to 5.26%.
With triple zero, or sometimes referred to as the Logo spot, the house has a 7.69% edge.
Basically, the higher the house edge, the harder it is for the player to win that game.
In comparison, craps can have a house edges of close to zero (about 0.00081%) if you mostly play the pass line with 3x-4x-5x odds bets.
In other words, you can predict you'll walk up to a triple zero roulette wheel with $1000 and walk away with $923.10.
With craps at the right odds betting, you'll walk away with $999.99.
Mathematically speaking, that is.
-
I hear some casinos are now using wheels with triple zeros.
The house edge with a single green zero spot is 2.7%. With a double zero on the wheel, the house edge nearly doubles to 5.26%.
With triple zero, or sometimes referred to as the Logo spot, the house has a 7.69% edge.
Basically, the higher the house edge, the harder it is for the player to win that game.
In comparison, craps can have a house edges of close to zero (about 0.00081%) if you mostly play the pass line with 3x-4x-5x odds bets.
In other words, you can predict you'll walk up to a triple zero roulette wheel with $1000 and walk away with $923.10.
With craps at the right odds betting, you'll walk away with $999.99.
Mathematically speaking, that is.
I play roulette only because my wife loves to play it. Yes, I will do my best to steer her away from triple zero roulette. We haven't found a single zero game so far. I've heard when it is offered the minimum bets are very high.
Craps is my go-to game however I'm so sick of how Vegas lately has raised minimums and practically nickel and dimed everything from gambling to food to resort fees, etc. etc. Kinda bums me out so I'm not as excited about Vegas as before. Only reason I'm going end of this year is because of the traditional grandkid turns 21 thing. I still like to go to Vegas but it's a more relaxed and subdued attitude than the go like hell regimen of my younger days.
Anyway, I'm off topic so I'll stop so we can get back to regular programming. :stopjack:
I do check out ammo while in Vegas and will buy a box or two of defensive ammo that I haven't seen, heard of, or tried. (Or if good price).
-
Missing a trade lol
Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk
-
For me, I used to try to have enough ammo or reloading components to last 5 years worth of trips to kokohead.
I was hoping a 5 years supply should last thru any shortage and make it thru to the next period when prices normalized
This was before Covid, BLM, Ukraine and Hamas
Now I’m thinking that when prices come down a bit, I’m going to extend my supply to last 8 years, especially for 12 ga trap loads and 22lr since that is what I mostly shoot.
For the calibers, I don’t shoot much, I try to have
9mm - 4 boxes of hollow points (about 80 rds), 1-2k of FMJ, 2k of reloading components
40sw - I buy a lot if cheap. I have Glock 23’s with 9mm conversion barrels. I can switch to 40 if all my 9mm runs out. Stores never run out of 40sw
223 - 1-2k of fmj, 2k of reloading components
12ga slugs - I buy a lot if cheap, not for HD or hunting but for friends/family to have fun. I think of it as “cheap” fireworks/entertainment
Hunting rifle calibers - 6 boxes (120 rds)
One thing that is good about overstocking more than what we typically use, we got to go to the range more since it was less crowded when there were shortages. Almost no queue at trap
-
Even if you go to KHSC once a month and shoot 100 rds, it still is a case of 1000 in a year.
So some people will say what da hell are you buying a case of ammo for?
When you think of it, it's really not that much. So if the price is good, buy as much as you can.
If you keep buying but don't shoot, then that don't make sense. But if you shoot, you need to be on the look out for deals and when there is an impending shortage, there will be no deals.
So if can, can. (buy.)
If no can, no can. (you missed the boat.)
-
My kids are all growed up now, so going shooting is a major source of entertainment for me, so I try to go every week.
At a hundred rnds per week, that makes 5000 rnds per year.
-
For pistol calibers that i shoot regularly ( or at least used to) and 5.56/.223 for range use, I typically only buy by case. If anyone has any questions why I "need" to buy by the case, well, tell me why I can't or shouldn't. Personally, I don't buy with intention of selling later for a profit. If someone else does stockpile with intent to profit later, up to them. Sucks for people who get caught with their pants down during the low/slim times, but that's life in general.
-
Even if you go to KHSC once a month and shoot 100 rds, it still is a case of 1000 in a year.
So some people will say what da hell are you buying a case of ammo for?
When you think of it, it's really not that much. So if the price is good, buy as much as you can.
If you keep buying but don't shoot, then that don't make sense. But if you shoot, you need to be on the look out for deals and when there is an impending shortage, there will be no deals.
So if can, can. (buy.)
If no can, no can. (you missed the boat.)
The last cases I bought was precovid from Kaleo Arms. 9mm was $189 and 223 was $300. Both Armscor
-
The last cases I bought was precovid from Kaleo Arms. 9mm was $189 and 223 was $300. Both Armscor
Oooh. I wish we still had those prices. Now the 223/5.56 run mid $500.00 per case and 9mm about $300? And I think those prices will be short-lived and will go up but who knows.
But I don't think they ever will go down to the prices you paid pre-covid.
My kids are all growed up now, so going shooting is a major source of entertainment for me, so I try to go every week.
At a hundred rnds per week, that makes 5000 rnds per year.
Yep. A hundred rounds per range session doesn't sound like much but it adds up to cases a year. That's why my friend (anti-2a) thinks I'm a murderous gun nut when I tell him I buy by the case but he no understand.
-
Oooh. I wish we still had those prices. Now the 223/5.56 run mid $500.00 per case and 9mm about $300? And I think those prices will be short-lived and will go up but who knows.
But I don't think they ever will go down to the prices you paid pre-covid.
Yep. A hundred rounds per range session doesn't sound like much but it adds up to cases a year. That's why my friend (anti-2a) thinks I'm a murderous gun nut when I tell him I buy by the case but he no understand.
YG had 223 Federal XM193 for little over $1 a rd.
-
YG had 223 Federal XM193 for little over $1 a rd.
Aisoos! For specialty hunting maybe. For bulk rounds? AISOOOOOS!!!!! :rofl:
-
All of the 223 ammo I own was bought in 2014 when I bought my first AR15. During the peak Covid ammo shortage when someone was willing to buy FMJs for 75 cents a round when none of the stores in Hilo had any, I sold him a 1000 rounds to fund another firearm purchase. I got about 500 FMJs and 100 JHPs left, which is more than sufficient for me. I don’t target practice shooting my AR. I may shoot 2 or 3 rounds every 6 months or so to make sure it is zeroed in. Despite rarely shooting it, I was still able to kill 2 pigs with 3 shots from 75 ft. The 2nd pig was running when I shot it. For those who don’t know, a wild pig can run up to 30 mph, faster than most dogs and jump over a 3 ft high fence.
-
Aisoos! For specialty hunting maybe. For bulk rounds? AISOOOOOS!!!!! :rofl:
Came in batches of 420rds count and was like $440 or so. They also had a 1K case that was just under $1100.
-
Came in batches of 420rds count and was like $440 or so. They also had a 1K case that was just under $1100.
Wow. That's nuts.
-
Just out of curiosity I checked prices online on the two popular calibers.
9mm hasn't changed much. Still about $300 per 1K. Some brands even advertised a lower price than last week. About $10-$20 cheaper per case.
5.56/.223 is a different story. From mid $500 per case it's close to $600 now. And many brands are over $600. That's compared to last week prices.
-
Consider the fact that manufacturers can't export gun and ammo to most foreign countries for at least 90 days.
Do the manufacturers reduce production, or do they now market those products domestically.
If they want to keep sales numbers up, they will likely be increasing domestic supplies of guns and ammo.
Increased supply coupled with what's looking like increased demand (people anticipating another shortage) routinely means prices will remain stable. If demand begins to decline, prices may very well drop before the export ban is relaxed or lifted.
Just sayin'.
-
Manufacturers would have to sell it domestically as wages still have to be paid while supplies and equipment cost money when they sit idle.
-
Manufacturers would have to sell it domestically as wages still have to be paid while supplies and equipment cost money when they sit idle.
They have to weather the storm and hope the 90 days doesnt get extended.
Gov is using 90 cause no one will sue due to the time it gets to court, almost pau.
Sent from my SM-G991U using Tapatalk
-
i don't think it's "most" countries
all the reports i've seen say it is only certain countries...
they are trying to make sure that the US and allies are supported first...
Consider the fact that manufacturers can't export gun and ammo to most foreign countries for at least 90 days.
Do the manufacturers reduce production, or do they now market those products domestically.
If they want to keep sales numbers up, they will likely be increasing domestic supplies of guns and ammo.
Increased supply coupled with what's looking like increased demand (people anticipating another shortage) routinely means prices will remain stable. If demand begins to decline, prices may very well drop before the export ban is relaxed or lifted.
Just sayin'.
-
they are selling to .gov and .mil...
Manufacturers would have to sell it domestically as wages still have to be paid while supplies and equipment cost money when they sit idle.
-
"in my opinion"...
They have to weather the storm and hope the 90 days doesnt get extended.
Gov is using 90 cause no one will sue due to the time it gets to court, almost pau.
Sent from my SM-G991U using Tapatalk
-
Ho man. Our government sure must've given a sh*tload of ammo to Ukraine. Now they panicking because they now have to support Israel.
Ukraine kinda pisses me off because they seem like they only got their hand out for everything. Even Israel. Their war with Hamas is barely a month long and the US wants to shower them with support with everything from munitions to logistics.
WTF? What were they doing all this time? Stockpile your own f*ckn ammo, dammit. You know you are surrounded by people who want to kill you.
Makes you wonder about the legitimacy of all this crap. :grrr:
-
"in my opinion"...
" "in my opinion" "
Sent from my SM-G991U using Tapatalk
-
Just out of curiosity I checked prices online on the two popular calibers.
9mm hasn't changed much. Still about $300 per 1K. Some brands even advertised a lower price than last week. About $10-$20 cheaper per case.
5.56/.223 is a different story. From mid $500 per case it's close to $600 now. And many brands are over $600. That's compared to last week prices.
I check the ammo prices daily (yeah, retirement life) and found that 9mm actually is stable and some deals (Black Friday and Cyber deals) are pretty good for case lots.
5.56/223 is getting expensive. Some Black Friday and Cyber deals had them in the low $500/cs which in my opinion is not bad considering.
These are on-line prices.
I think if you really need some, buy now.
-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pQyv0SYxtI
For the new gun buyers, you might want to buy some now. Don't go crazy. Just buy some so you have some on hand. :shaka: