Post by: Tacticoolest on October 24, 2023, 01:58:50 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 24, 2023, 01:59:56 PM
If you mean how valid as in did HI pass the law, then it is very valid as it will become law on 1/1/24.
Post by: Tacticoolest on October 24, 2023, 02:11:41 PM
How valid is the new law? If you mean how constitutional, then not very if one is a true constitutional abider by the 2A. IIRC the court did say that some training is constitutional. I'm not 100% sure on this though. But IMO, the 2A doesn't need a course in order to exercise if one abides by it's true purpose.
If you mean how valid as in did HI pass the law, then it is very valid as it will become law on 1/1/24.
Changemyoil66 = to Siri and Alexa :D
Changemyoil66 how many quarts of oil do I need to fill my 4 cylinder engine? 🤣
Post by: QUIETShooter on October 24, 2023, 02:12:23 PM
Post by: oldfart on October 24, 2023, 02:18:16 PM
Hawaii is saying every 4 years you come stupid again.....
Something like elections
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 24, 2023, 02:20:31 PM
Changemyoil66 how many quarts of oil do I need to fill my 4 cylinder engine? 🤣
Same amount it takes to fill a Tesla.... :rofl:
Post by: Tacticoolest on October 24, 2023, 02:22:31 PM
Same amount it takes to fill a Tesla.... :rofl:
🤣🤣🤣
Post by: pukas84 on October 24, 2023, 03:03:53 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 24, 2023, 03:06:07 PM
So if I take my gun safety class this year, is it good for 4 years, or do I need to take it again in 2024 when the new law takes in effect?
If you take your gun safety class this year, it's useless as of 1/1/24 as HI added new requirements and all instructors must be approved by HPD first. So you will have to retake it next year if you plan to buy a handgun or get your CCW.
Post by: randay on October 24, 2023, 04:51:12 PM
If you take your gun safety class this year, it's useless as of 1/1/24 as HI added new requirements and all instructors must be approved by HPD first. So you will have to retake it next year if you plan to buy a handgun or get your CCW.
I know some people who recently took a hand gun course and was told that their training(certificate?) would be valid for 4 years.
Post by: oldfart on October 24, 2023, 06:26:50 PM
the fuck is your problem?....
Government Jolly Green is laughing at you guys bitching and fighting against each other. It's a basic war strategy. Divide and conquer.
Post by: Sodie on October 24, 2023, 06:50:42 PM
I know some people who recently took a hand gun course and was told that their training(certificate?) would be valid for 4 years.
As I read the law. If they enforce it as written, any class taken before 1 Jan 24 will not qualify.
Are they going to enforce it that way? Remains to be seen.
Post by: oldfart on October 24, 2023, 07:08:37 PM
As I read the law. If they enforce it as written, any class taken before 1 Jan 24 will not qualify.===============
Are they going to enforce it that way? Remains to be seen.
Clarify your statement..
When you say that the class "will not qualify" does that mean the certificate is not valid?
Or does that mean the certificate is good forever.
Or does that mean the certificate is only good for 4 years?
Communicate your idea clearly.
Government Jolly Green is laughing at us fumbling at interpreting all these new laws and restrictions.
Basic war strategy is to cut off lines of communication or send false messages to confuse your opponent.
Post by: Sodie on October 24, 2023, 09:05:29 PM
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Clarify your statement..
When you say that the class "will not qualify" does that mean the certificate is not valid?
Or does that mean the certificate is good forever.
Or does that mean the certificate is only good for 4 years?
Communicate your idea clearly.
Government Jolly Green is laughing at us fumbling at interpreting all these new laws and restrictions.
Basic war strategy is to cut off lines of communication or send false messages to confuse your opponent.
Ok, how about this:
If you take a class before 1 Jan and get an affidavit, that affidavit will not be good enough to get you a permit.
Put another way, as I read the law, any class taken on 31 Dec 23 or before will no longer qualify as of 1 Jan 24 under HRS 134.2(g) for issuance of a permit.
Unless there’s an instructor out there who has already incorporated the new requirements from Act 52 and has been approved by their county chief of police. Anybody know of one?
Does that make it more clear?
All the affidavit is is the instructor certifying that you took a class on a date, so it doesn’t really “expire.” It’s just that as of 1 Jan, that class you took isn’t good enough anymore.
Post by: oldfart on October 24, 2023, 09:41:19 PM
So HPD has to approve my certification now.
Here is the obvious question...
Who has HPD certified to be an instructor?
If they cut off the supply of instructors, then they cut off the permits, therefore they cut off the guns.
Government Jolly Green is laughing at us.
Basic war strategy...cut the supply line to your opponent.
Post by: zippz on October 25, 2023, 07:58:11 AM
1. Training course mustve been taken within the past 4 years
2. Hunters Ed no longer applies for acquiring handguns
3. Taught by an instructor certified or verified by the police Chief. Or certified by an organization approved by the police Chief (TBD, but I assume NRA, USCCA, and others will be). Or certified military trainer.
4. Course must include mental health, suicide prevention, and domestic violence.
Also there are more mental health and background check requirements. Also more laws covered under prohibited persons. Some people may be denied due to this even if the were approved in the past.
Post by: pukas84 on October 25, 2023, 08:49:43 AM
Post by: Sodie on October 25, 2023, 08:54:02 AM
So the last statement is false?
As the law is written, I would say yes, that statement is incorrect, unless the training included mental health, suicide prevention, and domestic violence issues, AND the chief accepted the instructor’s credentials. Remains to be seen how they will enforce it.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 25, 2023, 09:02:26 AM
I know some people who recently took a hand gun course and was told that their training(certificate?) would be valid for 4 years.
That is wrong because:
1) Suicide things need to be added and taught
2) ALL instructors need to be approved by HPD. No longer can 1 just have NRA credentials.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 25, 2023, 09:04:25 AM
So the last statement is false?
Yes, HIFICO has attempted to contact them about this.
Post by: QUIETShooter on October 25, 2023, 09:19:48 AM
Will there be a State registry?
Do we go to the HPD website to see who is qualified and their contact info?
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 25, 2023, 09:42:59 AM
So after 1/24 how can one find a HPD certified NRA Firearms Safety Instructor?
Will there be a State registry?
Do we go to the HPD website to see who is qualified and their contact info?
No one knows. But if we use the CCW instructors approved by HPD as any indication, then there will be nothing online. Basicially, you have to believe/trust the instructor.
Post by: zippz on October 25, 2023, 09:47:38 AM
So after 1/24 how can one find a HPD certified NRA Firearms Safety Instructor?
Will there be a State registry?
Do we go to the HPD website to see who is qualified and their contact info?
Ask for their instructor certificate or check nra creds here:
https://www.nrainstructors.org/instructoradmin/verify.aspx
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 25, 2023, 09:51:34 AM
Ask for their instructor certificate or check nra creds here:
https://www.nrainstructors.org/instructoradmin/verify.aspx
Will this link show that HPD has approved them to teach the class?
Post by: zippz on October 25, 2023, 09:53:39 AM
Post by: zippz on October 25, 2023, 10:26:18 AM
Will this link show that HPD has approved them to teach the class?
If HPD approves of NRA certifications meeting the requirement, then yes
Post by: Sodie on October 25, 2023, 10:34:51 AM
That is wrong because:
1) Suicide things need to be added and taught
2) ALL instructors need to be approved by HPD. No longer can 1 just have NRA credentials.
Chief of police can can choose to accept a nongovernmental organization’s certification, so being an NRA instructor MAY still be good enough… if the chief decides it is.
Post by: rpoL98 on October 25, 2023, 01:29:47 PM
I have an NRA instructor certification.this would be an even more egregious 2A violation than the earlier non-ever CCW's issued, before Bruen. IMHO.
So HPD has to approve my certification now.
Here is the obvious question...
Who has HPD certified to be an instructor?
If they cut off the supply of instructors, then they cut off the permits, therefore they cut off the guns.
Government Jolly Green is laughing at us.
Basic war strategy...cut the supply line to your opponent.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 25, 2023, 03:21:00 PM
this would be an even more egregious 2A violation than the earlier non-ever CCW's issued, before Bruen. IMHO.
They already cut off the ability for public range use for CCW test.
Post by: Sodie on October 25, 2023, 04:59:21 PM
this would be an even more egregious 2A violation than the earlier non-ever CCW's issued, before Bruen. IMHO.
Seems like it would be ripe for a court challenge, like Oregon’s purchase permit law. They didn’t have a system in place to issue permits before the law went into effect, so it was a de facto ban on buying firearms. Oregon Supreme Court enjoined it.
Post by: randay on October 25, 2023, 06:53:16 PM
That is wrong because:
1) Suicide things need to be added and taught
2) ALL instructors need to be approved by HPD. No longer can 1 just have NRA credentials.
I could be reading the wrong version of 1230 but it says the 4 hours of classroom "may" contain a video with the suicide/mental health things. so it "may" not be a hard requirement.
I dont read anything that states trainings must occur after jan 1st, or that trainings prior to jan 1st are invalid. The way I see it, as long the instructor has gained certification or verification from the chief, any course that they have taught within 4 years of the application for permit to acquire would be sufficient to satisfy the requirements.
Hopefully instructors have been proactive and have already received certification or verification from the chief.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 25, 2023, 07:10:27 PM
I could be reading the wrong version of 1230 but it says the 4 hours of classroom "may" contain a video with the suicide/mental health things. so it "may" not be a hard requirement.
I dont read anything that states trainings must occur after jan 1st, or that trainings prior to jan 1st are invalid. The way I see it, as long the instructor has gained certification or verification from the chief, any course that they have taught within 4 years of the application for permit to acquire would be sufficient to satisfy the requirements.
Hopefully instructors have been proactive and have already received certification or verification from the chief.
So has any instructor been approved? The answer is no.
Read.CD1. 4 (A). There is no may in there. "As well as a componant of mental health, suicide..."
So refer back to people missing the above, hence their classes are useless.
But go ahead, take a class now or tell friends/family/people to. Bumbai u going learn.
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Post by: randay on October 25, 2023, 07:28:23 PM
So has any instructor been approved? The answer is no.
Read.CD1. 4 (A). There is no may in there. "As well as a componant of mental health, suicide..."
So refer back to people missing the above, hence their classes are useless.
But go ahead, take a class now or tell friends/family/people to. Bumbai u going learn.
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are you sure the answer is no? there is a section on HPD firearms website that has instructions on how to get verified as a firearms instructor.
as for cd1.4(a), im not sure if im reading the right one because i am reading the bill for a measure, not the hrs but i believe that wording is in section 7 of the bill which appears to only pertain to 134-9 LTC? so LTC course now requires mental health component, but not permit to acquire course?
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 25, 2023, 07:37:46 PM
are you sure the answer is no? there is a section on HPD firearms website that has instructions on how to get verified as a firearms instructor.
as for cd1.4(a), im not sure if im reading the right one because i am reading the bill for a measure, not the hrs but i believe that wording is in section 7 of the bill which appears to only pertain to 134-9 LTC? so LTC course now requires mental health component, but not permit to acquire course?
Yes, the answer is no. U can prove me wrong and post it here of whos been "approved".
Read section 134-2 on CD1. If u feel the need to question any further, then i wont reply to the same thing as the answer wont change.
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Post by: Sodie on October 25, 2023, 07:45:15 PM
I could be reading the wrong version of 1230 but it says the 4 hours of classroom "may" contain a video with the suicide/mental health things. so it "may" not be a hard requirement.
I dont read anything that states trainings must occur after jan 1st, or that trainings prior to jan 1st are invalid. The way I see it, as long the instructor has gained certification or verification from the chief, any course that they have taught within 4 years of the application for permit to acquire would be sufficient to satisfy the requirements.
Hopefully instructors have been proactive and have already received certification or verification from the chief.
The law reads:
Quote from: Hawaii Legislature
A firearms training or safety course or class… provided that the firearms training or safety course or class provides, at a minimum, …a total of at least four hours of classroom instruction, which may include a video, that focuses on:
(A) The safe use, handling, and storage of firearms and firearm safety in the home, as well as a component on mental health, suicide prevention, and domestic violence issues associated with firearms and firearm violence; and…
So the requirement is for four hours of classroom instruction that focuses on…a component on mental health, suicide prevention, and domestic violence issues. That four hours of classroom instruction MAY include a video. If the comma after “video” wasn’t there, you might have been right.
That language appears in §134.2 - Permits to acquire.
The law as passed: https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessions/session2023/bills/SB1230_CD1_.pdf (https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessions/session2023/bills/SB1230_CD1_.pdf)
Post by: randay on October 25, 2023, 07:59:58 PM
Yes, the answer is no. U can prove me wrong and post it here of whos been "approved".
Read section 134-2 on CD1. If u feel the need to question any further, then i wont reply to the same thing as the answer wont change.
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Oh I see where you are referencing now. I read section 4 differently because of the extra commas. But in the context of the bill it makes more sense the other way.
Also I know no instructors and I dont care to prove you wrong or post anything here.
Post by: oldfart on October 25, 2023, 09:17:01 PM
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who writes this stuff?
Could the author please make it a little MORE vague?
I have a feeling that Jolly Green and Knudsack and RHayder are laughing at this conversation.
Basic war strategy....send cryptic messages to confound the enemy (us)
It's easy to fight back with solid, accurate information.
The problem is finding solid, accurate information.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 25, 2023, 09:29:55 PM
a component on mental health, suicide prevention, and domestic violence issues.Law doesnt say how long. 10 seconds.
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who writes this stuff?
Could the author please make it a little MORE vague?
I have a feeling that Jolly Green and Knudsack and RHayder are laughing at this conversation.
Basic war strategy....send cryptic messages to confound the enemy (us)
It's easy to fight back with solid, accurate information.
The problem is finding solid, accurate information.
"Dont commit suicide or beat your significant other, family member or household member".
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Post by: oldfart on October 25, 2023, 09:36:11 PM
Law doesnt say how long. 10 seconds.==========
"Dont commit suicide or beat your significant other, family member or household member".
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and there you have it :rofl:
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 26, 2023, 08:44:20 AM
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and there you have it :rofl:
My CCW instructor did cover suicide already. So makes you wonder if you can do 2 birds. 1 handgun safety class that overlaps with CCW.
Post by: gelameg274 on October 26, 2023, 12:41:11 PM
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Post by: oldfart on October 26, 2023, 12:48:24 PM
That's very bad man====================
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what is very bad?
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 26, 2023, 02:47:42 PM
====================
what is very bad?
Who is very bad?
Why is very bad????
Guardians of the Galaxy reference.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 26, 2023, 03:38:44 PM
====================
what is very bad?
I'm thinking we have a BOT.
Uses a number in its handle (typical for auto-naming of BOTs),
registered as a user here today, and
only 2 posts -- both incoherent nonsense.
It's a guess, but i'm usually right in these matters! :geekdanc: :thumbsup:
Post by: macsak on October 26, 2023, 03:43:39 PM
I'm thinking we have a BOT.
Uses a number in its handle (typical for auto-naming of BOTs),
registered as a user here today, and
only 2 posts -- both incoherent nonsense.
It's a guess, but i'm usually right in these matters! :geekdanc: :thumbsup:
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 26, 2023, 04:54:42 PM
already on it...SFDDS
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Post by: macsak on October 26, 2023, 05:18:13 PM
SFDDS
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Post by: changemyoil66 on November 08, 2023, 07:51:54 PM
So the last statement is false?They corrected their post. Which is what i was saying.
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Post by: randay on November 09, 2023, 05:08:11 AM
They corrected their post. Which is what i was saying.
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where do we find the updated post? and who posted it?
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 09, 2023, 08:27:36 AM
where do we find the updated post? and who posted it?
YG posted it on their IG account. Bascially HPD called them to tell them 1/1/24; everyone needs to redo their classes.
But even without HPD calling, if you read SB1230 CD1, it states the additional requirement and instructor must be approved by HPD. So just having an NRA credential is no longer automatic, but HPD will have to actually look at it and probably your course curriculum and then give permission. This is what they did for CCW instructors, the curriculum and exam with answer key had to be submitted to them.
Post by: randay on November 09, 2023, 08:43:33 AM
YG posted it on their IG account. Bascially HPD called them to tell them 1/1/24; everyone needs to redo their classes.
But even without HPD calling, if you read SB1230 CD1, it states the additional requirement and instructor must be approved by HPD. So just having an NRA credential is no longer automatic, but HPD will have to actually look at it and probably your course curriculum and then give permission. This is what they did for CCW instructors, the curriculum and exam with answer key had to be submitted to them.
Ah that makes sense, thanks. So they were the ones doing classes and telling students that they would be good even after the Jan 1st changes. I wonder if they will be giving free redos?
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 09, 2023, 08:59:09 AM
Ah that makes sense, thanks. So they were the ones doing classes and telling students that they would be good even after the Jan 1st changes. I wonder if they will be giving free redos?
IDK if the instructors were telling the students this as well, or if it was just the social media telling this.
Post by: randay on November 09, 2023, 09:10:39 AM
IDK if the instructors were telling the students this as well, or if it was just the social media telling this.
Ill try ask, it was implied that the instructors said so during the training, but I dont know for sure.
Post by: Sodie on November 09, 2023, 04:53:02 PM
Post by: eyeeatingfish on November 09, 2023, 10:53:25 PM
However the idiocy of saying someone can keep the guns they own but can't have new ones unless they take a new course every 4 years?
I wonder if there is some background check portion that is the main thrust for the renewal part.
Post by: macsak on November 10, 2023, 06:48:32 AM
Well this is good news to all those who teach the gun courses, repeat customers!
However the idiocy of saying someone can keep the guns they own but can't have new ones unless they take a new course every 4 years?
I wonder if there is some background check portion that is the main thrust for the renewal part.
Post by: ren on November 10, 2023, 07:37:23 AM
Well this is good news to all those who teach the gun courses, repeat customers!
However the idiocy of saying someone can keep the guns they own but can't have new ones unless they take a new course every 4 years?
I wonder if there is some background check portion that is the main thrust for the renewal part.
so dumb
Post by: zippz on November 10, 2023, 09:58:49 AM
I got the implementation date of sb1230 pushed back to Jan 1 2024 so police departments and gun community have time to work on the policies and get the word out without an interruption of service.
My other guidance to instructors and gun community is to buy your guns this year.
Post by: Sodie on November 10, 2023, 10:17:13 AM
The guidance I gave to the firearms instructors in Hawaii is each police depart will need to change their own policies to comply with sb1230. There is the possibility you can teach the required content now and it could be valid next year or do an additional on class later for the missing material. But the police departments policy determines what is accepted and what is not.
I got the implementation date of sb1230 pushed back to Jan 1 2024 so police departments and gun community have time to work on the policies and get the word out without an interruption of service.
My other guidance to instructors and gun community is to buy your guns this year.
Have any instructors approached their respective chiefs of police with a new curriculum yet to try to get approved?
Post by: ren on November 10, 2023, 11:36:13 AM
Have any instructors approached their respective chiefs of police with a new study yet to try to get approved?
yes
Post by: Rocky on November 10, 2023, 11:48:07 AM
That'll give you less than 30 business days to chose, purchase, do background, p/u permit and register.
"get ur done" if you have not already as I know of no instructors come Jan 1.
Post by: Sodie on November 10, 2023, 04:25:52 PM
yes
Good to hear.
Post by: randay on November 10, 2023, 06:35:28 PM
Holding NRA Class Saturday, November 18, 2023
That'll give you less than 30 business days to chose, purchase, do background, p/u permit and register.
"get ur done" if you have not already as I know of no instructors come Jan 1.
thats terrible, i hope noone has to go that route. unless you are doing it for free for people who absolutely need to transfer firearms for certain reasons. then its great.
Post by: stangzilla on November 10, 2023, 06:51:16 PM
or gotta take a firearms safety class? if you take the safety course now, is that good for another 4 years?
sorry for not paying attention to all these details.
Post by: oldfart on November 10, 2023, 07:09:57 PM
if you take take the hunters ed course online right now, will that be good for 4 years?=============
or gotta take a firearms safety class? if you take the safety course now, is that good for another 4 years?
sorry for not paying attention to all these details.
As I said early on in this thread, I suspect that the rules were written to be vague and seemingly innocuous.
In actuality, this law would invalidate most all of the certified firearms instructors.
Therefore invalidating permits to acquire.
Therefore creating a backdoor method of banning guns.
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 10, 2023, 07:47:41 PM
if you take take the hunters ed course online right now, will that be good for 4 years?Hand gun PTA needs a new class. Ur current affisavid is void as there are more requirments added and instructors must be approved by HPD 1st.
or gotta take a firearms safety class? if you take the safety course now, is that good for another 4 years?
sorry for not paying attention to all these details.
Unknown if current hunters ed for rifle/shotty is sufficient. On paper, it is. But we all know hpd...
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Post by: oldfart on November 10, 2023, 08:41:20 PM
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As I said early on in this thread, I suspect that the rules were written to be vague and seemingly innocuous.
In actuality, this law would invalidate most all of the certified firearms instructors.
Therefore invalidating permits to acquire.
Therefore creating a backdoor method of banning guns.
Furthermore, if the instructors are only certified by the Chief of Police, then that means the c.o.p. holds all the power over your right to have a firearm.
ie.
one person is holding all the cards
Post by: eyeeatingfish on November 10, 2023, 10:47:30 PM
swoosh
I was making a joke.... swoosh indeed.
Post by: eyeeatingfish on November 10, 2023, 10:47:57 PM
so dumb
Swoosh
Post by: Rocky on November 11, 2023, 06:57:48 AM
Post by: randay on November 11, 2023, 07:20:33 AM
Don't know whats so terrible. :wacko: and has nothing to do with "people who absolutely need to transfer firearms ".
I'm offering the class directed at those who may have not yet received their affi so they may acquire a firearm BEFORE Jan 1.
As there are currently NO instructors that I know of for AFTER Jan 1, this may be their last chance to acquire for some time, longer if there is litigation.
Whats terrible is paying for and taking the time to do a firearms course that will only be valid for "less than 30 business days". Previous to jan 1st, the affadavit was good for life. after jan 1st the affadavit is good for 4 years. having an affadavit thats only good for 30 days is terrible. There are other reasons why it is terrible, but you might take them personally so I will refrain from voicing them.
Post by: RSN172 on November 11, 2023, 08:01:43 AM
As I stated before, SCOTUS did not go far enough on Bruen and should have made national constitutional carry law.
They should have realized some states are going to give them da finga at rulings they don’t agree with as they have done in the past.
Post by: QUIETShooter on November 11, 2023, 08:21:00 AM
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As I said early on in this thread, I suspect that the rules were written to be vague and seemingly innocuous.
In actuality, this law would invalidate most all of the certified firearms instructors.
Therefore invalidating permits to acquire.
Therefore creating a backdoor method of banning guns.
Furthermore, if the instructors are only certified by the Chief of Police, then that means the c.o.p. holds all the power over your right to have a firearm.
ie.
one person is holding all the cards
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I'm not a smart man (shades of Forrest Gump) but I can see a fascist/communist government when I see one......
2024, the year the banana republik of hawaii comes out of the closet after all these years (decades).
Post by: Rocky on November 11, 2023, 10:21:34 AM
Whats terrible is paying for and taking the time to do a firearms course that will only be valid for "less than 30 business days". Previous to jan 1st, the affadavit was good for life. after jan 1st the affadavit is good for 4 years. having an affadavit thats only good for 30 days is terrible. There are other reasons why it is terrible, but you might take them personally so I will refrain from voicing them.
Post by: oldfart on November 11, 2023, 10:51:47 AM
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So our legislators are saying that firearm instructors are supposed to be qualified to teach people about mental health, suicide prevention, and domestic violence issues.
If not, then you will not be allowed to teach a safety course or issue an affidavit for a permit to acquire.
It seems to me that this opens up a liability problem for instructors.
It's forcing people to do something they are not qualified to do.
Post by: QUIETShooter on November 11, 2023, 11:14:35 AM
This will further restrict firearms ownership as some instructors will not want to go to school while HPD shrugs their shoulders and say ainokea.
Post by: Rocky on November 11, 2023, 04:50:56 PM
Post by: Eo12 on November 11, 2023, 08:49:17 PM
Not sure if this was asked.
Will a current Hawaii ccw class be accepted for 2024 pistol permit to acquire as the instructors were already vetted by hpd and the new chiefs rules in 2023?
Post by: Sodie on November 11, 2023, 09:15:02 PM
The whole new changes are bullshit first of all.
Not sure if this was asked.
Will a current Hawaii ccw class be accepted for 2024 pistol permit to acquire as the instructors were already vetted by hpd and the new chiefs rules in 2023?
I don’t think so. The CCW course doesn’t necessarily meet the requirements for a permit to acquire (training for permit to acquire must include two hours of live fire training; LTC class only requires “live-fire shooting exercises on a firing range”).
I suppose an instructor could teach a class that meets requirements for both, and then say so in the affidavit, but not sure anyone has tried that…
Post by: QUIETShooter on November 12, 2023, 09:00:05 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 12, 2023, 10:10:51 AM
The whole new changes are bullshit first of all.No. They added more stuff.
Not sure if this was asked.
Will a current Hawaii ccw class be accepted for 2024 pistol permit to acquire as the instructors were already vetted by hpd and the new chiefs rules in 2023?
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Post by: aletheuo137 on November 14, 2023, 08:02:23 AM
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 14, 2023, 09:59:19 AM
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The deer were not available for comment ....
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Post by: changemyoil66 on November 14, 2023, 10:00:57 AM
The deer were not available for comment ....
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The unarmed deer not available for comment...
Post by: Brystont1 on November 14, 2023, 11:46:17 AM
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They tried but all the deer had kevlar vests, c’mon man!
Post by: aletheuo137 on November 14, 2023, 12:18:39 PM
They tried but all the deer had kevlar vests, c’mon man!
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 14, 2023, 12:25:35 PM
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Post by: Rocky on November 15, 2023, 07:28:00 AM