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General Topics => Health, Fitness, and First Aid => Topic started by: abakja1 on December 14, 2012, 01:42:45 AM
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I learned the importance of having a supply of different size gauzes, elastic wraps, betadine, etc from my mom who was an er nurse at kaiser. She used to bring home stuff to keep at home when and if we had an accident when we were kids.
But nowadays, supplies are expensive so im asking where can i find cheap supplies locally for my own family?
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I learned the importance of having a supply of different size gauzes, elastic wraps, betadine, etc from my mom who was an er nurse at kaiser. She used to bring home stuff to keep at home when and if we had an accident when we were kids.
But nowadays, supplies are expensive so im asking where can i find cheap supplies locally for my own family?
www.shopmedvet.com (http://www.shopmedvet.com) :thumbsup:
Prices are pretty good even with shipping and the deals get better if you find what you need/want in the closeout section.
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Safety systems Hawaii, they have everything to restock a first aid kit.
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X2 for shopmedvet
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Safety systems Hawaii, they have everything to restock a first aid kit.
They are a good local source, but they're a commercial first aid restocking service and it's reflected in their prices. Unless you're a business that needs to meet and maintain OSHA first aid kit requirements, paying the premium doesn't make sense. Walmart would be cheaper.
Example: A 1/2"x15yd roll of adhesive tape is $3.89 from the commercial restocker. I got 6 rolls online for $4.98 (was part of a bigger order, $5 shipping). And Walmart has it for $2.98/ea.
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They are a good local source, but they're a commercial first aid restocking service and it's reflected in their prices. Unless you're a business that needs to meet and maintain OSHA first aid kit requirements, paying the premium doesn't make sense. Walmart would be cheaper.
Example: A 1/2"x15yd roll of adhesive tape is $3.89 from the commercial restocker. I got 6 rolls online for $4.98 (was part of a bigger order, $5 shipping). And Walmart has it for $2.98/ea.
thanks, just checked them out. Good stuff
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I guess best to consistently check for sales at the superstores like kmart, walmart, target, etc,...gauzes and elastic wraps are on the top of my restocking list....
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I guess best to consistently check for sales at the superstores like kmart, walmart, target, etc,...gauzes and elastic wraps are on the top of my restocking list....
You might be checking for a long time... I haven't seen anything but first aid kits and boxes bandaids on sale at those places.
Since you seem to only need a few things, you might want to try PACMED in Iwilei. My brother and his girlfriend are nurses and sometimes restock their personal kits with items from there. Not as cheap as online, but when you need the basics or right away, nothing wrong with buying local.
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Thanks,.. Ill google PACMED for location.
You might be checking for a long time... I haven't seen anything but first aid kits and boxes bandaids on sale at those places.
Since you seem to only need a few things, you might want to try PACMED in Iwilei. My brother and his girlfriend are nurses and sometimes restock their personal kits with items from there. Not as cheap as online, but when you need the basics or right away, nothing wrong with buying local.
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Sorry to bring up an old subject, but what would a basic kit include? I want to start one for myself. Thanks for all your folks help.
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Quikclot
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Sorry to bring up an old subject, but what would a basic kit include? I want to start one for myself. Thanks for all your folks help.
I modeled my own IFAKs after this guy. He is a doc in an ER on the mainland and focuses on tactical/prepping style stuff. Great channel.
IFAK - Individual First Aid Kit -- Voodoo Tactical vs Maxpedition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I48wcTlvhl0#ws)
hope this helps!
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Safety systems Hawaii, they have everything to restock a first aid kit.
good inventory, bad pricing.
ive been there multiple times looking for hard to find items for my small business, the prices are kinda hurtin.
about 2 weeks ago they had a 30-40% sale at the new longs on beretania where the star market used to be.
i got a bunch of gauze, tape and bandaids for pretty cheap.
walmart does have the best every day prices on individual items.
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Sorry to bring up an old subject, but what would a basic kit include? I want to start one for myself. Thanks for all your folks help.
Depends on its intended use - home, car, hiking, camping, etc. Not trying to be a wise guy . . . a home FAK would have much more (quantity of each item) than one for hiking.
Attached is a spreadsheet that I used to make my first aid kits.
Other items I purchased after this list: bottle of povidone iodine (Walmart), 1/2 DRAM bottles (Amazon) to carry the povidone iodine in my backpacking FAK, bandage scissors (Amazon), emergency mylar blankets (Amazon), insect sting medication (the green liquid in the plastic vial with cotton pad on end - The Pill Box).
I purchased the FAK pouch (condor emt rip away pouch) & bags (Kemp large professional trama bag) from Amazon.
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Thanks everyone for all the great info. Off and running to make my first aid kit!!!!!
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A set of crutches is always nice...
It will sit in a corner or attic for years on end... till someone needs it... Then it is golden!
Trust me, I know first hand... Thaught a sprained ankled turned into a broken ankle...
Check goodwill, salvation army, maybe even yard sales for a cheap used set.
You can't do jack if you can't move around.... :-\
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A set of crutches is always nice...
It will sit in a corner or attic for years on end... till someone needs it... Then it is golden!
Trust me, I know first hand... Thaught a sprained ankled turned into a broken ankle...
Check goodwill, salvation army, maybe even yard sales for a cheap used set.
You can't do jack if you can't move around.... :-\
I have crutches, cane, walker, nd even a sams club wheelchair to use. Came in handy as i just had knee surgery 2 weeks ago or if gout flares up.
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you have any references to where we can start exploring this?
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I recently got into making my own herbal tinctures a few months ago. Since starting, I haven't used OTC or prescription drugs unless absolutely needed. In fact, they are working better than any medications I've used in the past, especially in regards to infections.
Because of its cost, effectiveness and how simple they are to make, I suggest people give it a look
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I've used the master tonic for keeping me well when everyone else had the flu.
I've also used it for major congestion due to vog. The horseradish and wasabi really clears ur head
Vinegar. Garlic ginger horseradish(i also added wasabi) and chili pepper.
Ill look for a link.
Here's one
http://www.happy-mothering.com/04/household/recipes/natural-remedies-master-tonic-recipe/
http://recipestonourish.blogspot.com/2011/10/master-tonic.html?m=1
It'll take your breath away.
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"You can make a huge batch each time since it doesn’t need refrigeration and it will indefinitely without any special storage conditions."
No kidding. What microbe is going to survive in that stuff?!
Chili Pepper water does much the same thing, by the way. Not quite as full spectrum but its the same principle. A couple months ago when everyone had a bad cold going around I'd get through work by sipping a bottle of home brew chili pepper water. Lots of onion and garlic in it along with the peppers. Helped clear the fog enough to function and made the cold move through more quickly.
You can even take raw garlic like pills. It works better and more quickly if it is freshly crushed, though. My first line of treatment for any potential lung problem is fresh garlic bread. And I mean fresh: butter on toast with fresh garlic crushed onto it and spread like butter. Pretty strong stuff but it kills ANYTHING that is trying to get a foothold in your throat.
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Sounds yummy.
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I have a lot of items on hand, also have my very own "A Bag"...being in the Army medical field comes in handy sometimes. I also have some smaller IFAK that I keep around just in case.
Regarding your hiking kit, I would suggest some kind of small splint material.
Good to put some herbal stuff in there, those tend not to have an expiration date. Do keep some Acetaminophen (and rotate it) also. If you can get ahold a IV line, that would be great since you can (in an emergency) use coconut milk for fluid if someone is critically dehydrated. Here in Hawaii, extremely important to be able to make your fresh water safe for drinking since Lepto is prevalent in fresh water sources
Just some of my ideas for you to ponder...
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do you have a list of what you keep in your "a bag" and ifaks?
it's always good to see what the pros use
I have a lot of items on hand, also have my very own "A Bag"...being in the Army medical field comes in handy sometimes. I also have some smaller IFAK that I keep around just in case.
Regarding your hiking kit, I would suggest some kind of small splint material.
Good to put some herbal stuff in there, those tend not to have an expiration date. Do keep some Acetaminophen (and rotate it) also. If you can get ahold a IV line, that would be great since you can (in an emergency) use coconut milk for fluid if someone is critically dehydrated. Here in Hawaii, extremely important to be able to make your fresh water safe for drinking since Lepto is prevalent in fresh water sources
Just some of my ideas for you to ponder...
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Tumeric is great to have around. A good for anything medicine.
Nioi is another good one like someone mentioned.
Garlic. Ginger. Honey is good too.
I wouldn't suggest mixing the alcohol with water, it won't completely mix, and I'm not sure if the water will affect the tincture.
There are also a lot of native plants and methods you could use, if you have the proper training.
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Interesting. Thanks for the explanation. I'll have to bring it up to my Kumu next week.
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+1 for www.mountainroseherbs.com
+1 on the 50:50 ratio as well. That's what I use for the same reason.
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We have quite a few different bags that can be carried...below is a list of basic items that is contained in our Combat Lifesaver bag (CLS)
What are the components of the MES 2005 CLS Bag (NSN 6545-01-532-3674) ?
NSN Nomenclature U/I Qty
6545-01-537-0686 BAG,TC3,COMBAT CASUALTY CARE EA 1
6505-00-926-9083 ATROPINE INJECTION AQUEOUS TYPE 0.7ML SYRINGE WITH NEEDLE EA 5
6505-01-274-0951 DIAZEPAM INJECTION USP 5MG/ML 2ML SYRINGE-NEEDLE UNIT AUTO INJ EA 5
6515-01-519-5778 ADAPTER CATHETER TO LUER SYRINGE SHORT LOCKING 5S PG 2 ea
6510-00-926-8884 ADHESIVE TAPE SURGICAL POROUS WOVEN 3 INCHES BY 10 YARDS 4S PG 1 roll
6515-01-233-1917 AIRWAY NASOPHARYNGEAL 9MM ID 12MM OD KINK RES SMOOTH RD EDGES10S PG 1 ea
6510-00-201-1755 BANDAGE MUSLIN COMPRESSED OLIVE DRAB37X37X52" TRIANG W/SFTY PINS EA 3
6510-00-935-5823 BANDAGE ELASTIC FLESH ROLLED NONSTERILE 6"X 4.5 YDS 12S PG 1 ea
6510-01-503-2117 BANDAGE GAUZE COTTON 6 PLY WHITE 4.5" WIDE 4.1 YDS LONG RO 2 rolls
6510-01-492-2275 BANDAGE KIT ELASTIC EA 2
6510-00-597-7469 BANDAGE ADH.75X3" FLESH/CLEAR STER DRESS AFFIXED TO PLAS ADH100S PG 5 ea
6515-01-484-1327 CATHETER IV INTROCAN SAFETY 18GAX1-1/4"LG WINGED NDL TEFLON 200S PG 4 ea
6515-01-153-5373 CATHETER-NDL UNIT IV 14GAX3.25" LUER HUB AND NDL GUARD RADPQ 50S PG 1 ea
6510-00-201-7425 DRESSING FIRST AID FIELD CAMOUFLAGED 11.5-12"W 11.5-12"LG ABS EA 1 ea
6510-01-519-8421 DRESSING OCCLUSIVE ADHESIVE CLEAR 4.75X4" 5S PG 2 ea
6515-01-491-5719 GLOVE PATIENT EXAMINING & TREATMENT SZ 10LG PURPLE 4.3MIL 100S PG 4 ea
6505-01-498-8636 HETASTARCH IN LACTATED ELECTROLYTE INJECTION, 500ML PG 2 ea
6515-01-452-3445 ADMINISTRATION SET INFUSION PUMP VENTED/UNVENTED PG 1 ea
6505-00-111-7829 LUBRICANT SURGICAL 5 GRAM 144S PG 1 ea
6505-01-197-8809 ORAL REHYDRATION SALTS USP 27.9GM FOIL PACKET 125 PER PACKAGE PG 2 ea
6510-00-786-3736 PAD ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL IMPREGNATED NONWVN COTTON/RAYON WHITE 200S PG 6 ea
6510-01-010-0307 PAD POVIDONE-IODINE IMPRE STER COTTON/RAYON 2X1.375" BROWN 100S PG 6 ea
6515-00-935-7138 SCISSORS BANDAGE 7.25" LG ANG TO HDL 1.50" CUT LG BLUNT PTS CRS EA 1 ea
6515-01-494-1951 SPLINT UNIVERSAL ALUM 36"O/A LG 4.25"W GRAY & OLIVE DRAB REUSE EA 1 ea
6515-01-519-5872 SYRINGE AND NEEDLE HYPODERMIC SAFETY 3ML 23GA STER DISP 25S PG 1 EA
6515-01-146-7794 TOURNIQUET NONPNEUMATIC ADULT 14X1" BLD TAKING DSGN RUBBER O/A EA 1 ea
6515-01-521-7976 TOURNIQUET COMBAT APPLICATION ONE-HANDED EA 1 ea
6515-01-519-6764 TUBE DRAINAGE SURGICAL PENROSE 1"X18" RUBBER RADIOPAGUE STER 6S PG 1 EA
The basic contents of the Army's IFAK are listed below:
US ARMY IFAK CONTENTS:
NSN Nomenclature
6515-01-521-7976 Tourniquet, Combat Application
6510-01-492-2275 Bandage Kit, Elastic
6510-01-503-2117 / 6510-00-058-3047 Bandage Gauze 4-1/2" 100/Pkg
6510-00-926-8883 Adhesive Tape Surg 2" 6's Roll
6515-01-180-0467 Airway, Nasopharyngeal, 28fr, 12s
6515-01-519-9161 Glove, Patient Exam 100/Pkg (4ea)
6545-01-531-3647 Pouch, IFAK
6545-01-531-3147 Insert, IFAK (has folding panels, with cord attached)
There are MILLIONS of options regarding what goes in your "standard" A bag (here is a generic list that has been known to be in mine before):
• MOLLE or “M82” Aid Bag containing:
o Stethoscope
o Sphygmamometer with Case
o Field Dressings ( 8 )
o Cravats (12)
o Israeli Dressings (4)
o Tourniquets (2)
o 1000cc NaCl (2)
o 4x4 Gauze (20)
o 2x2 Gauze (20)
o Bandaid (15)
o Kerlix (6)
o Chest Seal (2)
o Water Seal (3)
o J-Tube (4) (OP airway)
o Nasopharyngeal (3)
o IV Starter Kits (4)
o 14g Needle (8 )
o Scapel 10 Blade (2)
o Scapel 12 Blade (2)
o Latex Gloves (10 pr)
o Pen Light (2)
o VS-17 Panel.
o Chemlite (4)
o Foot Powder (4)
o 4” Tape (2)
o 2” Tape (2)
o 9-Line Medevac Card (1)
o Scissors (2)
o Restricting Band (2) (for starting IV's)
o Oral Thermometer (1)
o Anal Thermometer (1)
o Surgilube (8 indiv packs)
o Sharps Container (1)
o Pocket Mask (1)
o Acetomenophin (1)
o Aspirin (1 bottle)
o Lopermide (1 bottle) (antidiarrheal/Immodium (tm))
o Zithromax (3 pack) (Antibiotic)
o Ibuprophin (1 bottle) (NSAID)
o Naproxne (1/2 bottle) (NSAID)
o Psuedophedrine (1/2 bottle) (decongestant)
o Medical quick reference books.
Hope it helps...
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Thanks for the list. Great starting point. I should expand my kit
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The master instructor that certified me to teach CPR/First Aid told the class that the combat guys he's talked to or gone through training with say there are three basic things to put in an improvised kit.
1) Tampons - sterile and perfect for stuffing in punctures or gsw's
2) Superglue - can be used for sealing wounds and will also kill bacteria and prevent infection
3) Duct tape - need I say more
Later this year I'll be going back to get my Wilderness First Aid/First Responder trainer credentials.
As to herbal remedies +1 to honey. Our vet had us use that on our dogs wound since it was so large and deep. The honey when used as a poultice with a bandage helps to prevent infection.
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Who you taking the wilderness first aid with? It's a great course. I took mines with nowls or something like that. It expands a lot on the basic first aid and teaches past the abcs of first aid. Also got a handy little plastic card reference thing I now carry with me.
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Nols?
http://www.nols.edu/courses/find/byskill/wildernessmedicine.shtml
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1) I hear a lot of slack on using tampons. I understand the ups and downs, but I always carried one with me in afghanistan for GSW.
I second superglue and duct tape as well.
Quick clot...need I say more?
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I thought the same until I learned that the water is necessary to distill water based compounds which alcohol cannot. I verified this with a chemist who said that using only alcohol as a base would extract only alcohol molecules, and certain water based molecules, which also play a role in the tinctures effect, would be lost.
As stated, you would need to adjust the ratio depending on certain herbs, as some are more alcohol based, while others are more water based. But for a general ratio, 50/50 is the basic guideline amongst herbalists and chemists alike.
It is not that any of the herbs or botanicals are "alcohol based" or "water based" but rather that specific desirable compound within the botanicals is water or alcohol soluble. Meaning the substance can be dissolved in that solvent (alcohol, water, benzene, etc.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solubility (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solubility)
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They banned quick clot when I was in Afghanistan.
Really? That's crazy! When were there last?
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I was there from '08 to '09...we had the powder, but mostly just used the bandages impregnated with it. We did some missions with the Canadian Airborne/Air Assault guys. Those boys are crazy as hell!
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I think there might be some confusion about the hemostatic products. Celox and other powdered products are no longer used because many were having bad reactions. But the Quikclot combat gauze is still issued.
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Who you taking the wilderness first aid with? It's a great course. I took mines with nowls or something like that. It expands a lot on the basic first aid and teaches past the abcs of first aid. Also got a handy little plastic card reference thing I now carry with me.
I'm taking my class through Medic First Aid/ASHI. One of them was Firefighter/EMT from Washington State somewhere and another instructor is a retired combat medic. The lead instructor is the guy who certifies all my instructors here in Hawaii. The main reason I wanted to get some of my instructors and myself certified to teach because a lot of our jobs like the wind farms are in the boonies where a worker would need to stabilize and treat the injured person for transport. For the newest wind farm in Kahuku it was a 2 hour drive to some of the sites from the trailer yard.
As for the Quickclot, I agree that is awesome stuff. I have a couple bandages with it that I take hiking. The three items I listed were just from what I had learned when I was getting certified to be an instructor.