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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: M450N91 on November 15, 2023, 03:58:01 PM
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Has anybody been thru the PTA side at HPD? Passed by here and there during the week and it looks like you’ll be better bringing a folding chair to hang out lol.
Anyone went thru it recently? Do they turn you down when your in line still in their closing hour?
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I went in the end of October I was next in line right before closing. Thought they wasn't going to take me cause they started talking story then about 10 min left they took me in and the 3 people behind me.
Was there today about 3pm to register the PTA line was pretty long and growing before i left.
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the lawsuit settlement says they are required to take everyone in line at closing time...
Has anybody been thru the PTA side at HPD? Passed by here and there during the week and it looks like you’ll be better bringing a folding chair to hang out lol.
Anyone went thru it recently? Do they turn you down when your in line still in their closing hour?
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Went Monday 8:30A, 12th in line, only processed 2 people in an hour, only one clerk working, bailed, ten more people behind me when I left.
Went back Tuesday 30 mins before doors opened 7th in line, was in and gone within an hour, less than 10 mins inside with everything printed online and filled out. 2 clerks working.
Lots of 1st timers getting printed is the part of the hold up.
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Went Monday 8:30A, 12th in line, only processed 2 people in an hour, only one clerk working, bailed, ten more people behind me when I left.
Went back Tuesday 30 mins before doors opened 7th in line, was in and gone within an hour, less than 10 mins inside with everything printed online and filled out. 2 clerks working.
Lots of 1st timers getting printed is the part of the hold up.
A lot of first-timers in general. First-timers almost never have all the forms filled out.
A lot of panic-buying.
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A lot of first-timers in general. First-timers almost never have all the forms filled out.
A lot of panic-buying.
I watched a very liberal looking pear shaped man come out after getting printed doing a fist pump on his way out the door. Nice to see a Democrat excitedly embracing his 2A rights.
Maybe the fumes of smokeless powder can be a gateway drug.
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They are in no rush to make us wait
They feel no need to help us
If they moved any slower, they'd be moving backwards
Sitting and counting. That's the name of the game. We always lose that game
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They are in no rush to make us wait
They feel no need to help us
If they moved any slower, they'd be moving backwards
Sitting and counting. That's the name of the game. We always lose that game
Add in sometimes the cops there are there for disciplinary reasons.
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I think the HPD Firearms division is gonna be slammed for a long time as lots of people come in to register and apply for firearms ownership.
There will be people who are first time buyers and are suffering from anxiety from current world events.
And there are people who are acquiring firearms because the prices are good right now plus who knows what craziness 2024 will bring.
Glad to see more people acquiring firearms. Now, let's hope we don't have a problem acquiring ammunition for our firearms.
A very interesting subject for another thread. Not sure about all of you but my conspiracy theory button just got pushed.
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I think the HPD Firearms division is gonna be slammed for a long time as lots of people come in to register and apply for firearms ownership.
There will be people who are first time buyers and are suffering from anxiety from current world events.
And there are people who are acquiring firearms because the prices are good right now plus who knows what craziness 2024 will bring.
Glad to see more people acquiring firearms. Now, let's hope we don't have a problem acquiring ammunition for our firearms.
A very interesting subject for another thread. Not sure about all of you but my conspiracy theory button just got pushed.
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Glad to see more people acquiring firearms. Now, let's hope we don't have a problem acquiring ammunition for our firearms.
HPD actually stated they don't got the manpower to do this when the legislature tried to pass a bill to require a permit to buy ammo. Also they stated this when they wanted to require registration of Tasers a few years ago.
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HPD actually stated they don't got the manpower to do this when the legislature tried to pass a bill to require a permit to buy ammo. Also they stated this when they wanted to require registration of Tasers a few years ago.
Glad to hear this. But I actually was getting at something entirely different. There seems there will be very little or no ammo to even buy.
Internet chatter is suggesting government intervention due to the 2 conflicts will mandate Lake City to only concentrate on military production and the fear mongers out there are speculating that since our anti-2a government is getting a hard time confiscating and banning firearms they will go to the next thing: Ammunition.
Sorry. I don't want to hi-jack the thread any more than I did so I'll stop on this subject. If anyone thinks this makes an interesting subject then it should be in it's own thread.
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Thank you all for the replies, just trying to gauge when it’ll be a good time to go.
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Thank you all for the replies, just trying to gauge when it’ll be a good time to go.
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It seems hit or miss, so bring a chair and make sure your smart phone is charged enough.
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the lawsuit settlement says they are required to take everyone in line at closing time...
Isn't this only on Wednesdays?
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So does anyone have experience waiting in line after hours? How late after closing holds the record? Lol
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So does anyone have experience waiting in line after hours? How late after closing holds the record? Lol
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They took me in about 10 mins before closing. And a min or 2 after they took the remainder of the line after me about 3 people. My paperwork was quick cause of ccw but the last 3 people were in there after 4
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i went yesterday (Monday) at about 1:20. Didnt leave till about 3:45.
Since i have a LTC, i was only in the PTA Area for a very short while. Walked out with my Permit.
Aloha!
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is there a PTA surge because new rules go into effect Jan 1, 2024. new rules with a whole bunch of unknowns, not to mention everybody's affidavit and old fogies' Hunters' Ed expiring.
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is there a PTA surge because new rules go into effect Jan 1, 2024. new rules with a whole bunch of unknowns, not to mention everybody's affidavit and old fogies' Hunters' Ed expiring.
Could be. Wouldn't be surprised.
It also could be it's the Holiday season and people want to buy themselves a firearm.
And the anxiety of what may come with all these new rules in 2024 just made it easier for them to make that decision.
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Arrive at HPD after work @ about 5:04pm. I’d say about 10-15 of us got the boot @ 6.30pm..
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Arrive at HPD after work @ about 5:04pm. I’d say about 10-15 of us got the boot @ 6.30pm..
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So they never served all in line b4 630?
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The settlement agreement states hpd has to service everyone in line b4 630.
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I'll talk to HPD about it on Friday since it was my lawsuit. I understand it's the holidays and don't want to be a grinch, but they should at least get the word out ahead of time if they're going to do this.
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So they never served all in line b4 630?
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Nope last guy stood in line at about 5:10pm.. line barely was moving
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I'll talk to HPD about it on Friday since it was my lawsuit. I understand it's the holidays and don't want to be a grinch, but they should at least get the word out ahead of time if they're going to do this.
Thank you!
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I'll talk to HPD about it on Friday since it was my lawsuit. I understand it's the holidays and don't want to be a grinch, but they should at least get the word out ahead of time if they're going to do this.
This is hpds problem, no one should have to talk to them.
And they wonder why 2a people arent fans of them.
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I talked to the SGT at HPD and explained the Wednesday incident. He wasn't there at the time and not aware there was an incident, and will bring it up the chain.
I asked that they send out a notice ahead of time if they do it again, and for an apology to the 15 people affected.
It should be a rare occurrence, probably every thanksgiving, and some major holidays depending when it falls.
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The line at the permit window is just ridiculous. Put 45 min in the parking meter stood in line for 20 min and only one guy got served. Had 6 people in front of me so I figured would run out of time and just left.
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The line at the permit window is just ridiculous. Put 45 min in the parking meter stood in line for 20 min and only one guy got served. Had 6 people in front of me so I figured would run out of time and just left.
Are long waits a common thing? I'm going to arrange a meeting with the firearms section to see what they have planned for Jan 1st. The new permits will require more manpower to process.
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Are long waits a common thing? I'm going to arrange a meeting with the firearms section to see what they have planned for Jan 1st. The new permits will require more manpower to process.
I wouldnt consider 20 mins a long wait. If you dont have all your paperwork in order or have to ask any questions, 20 mins is pretty normal. 6 people in line also, probably not too far out of the ordinary. If anything I think the jan 1st changes could be increasing the volume of applicants. Just last week I had two friends who called and asked about the details of the Jan 1st changes.
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I wouldnt consider 20 mins a long wait. If you dont have all your paperwork in order or have to ask any questions, 20 mins is pretty normal. 6 people in line also, probably not too far out of the ordinary. If anything I think the jan 1st changes could be increasing the volume of applicants. Just last week I had two friends who called and asked about the details of the Jan 1st changes.
20 min for one person not a long wait?
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Are long waits a common thing? I'm going to arrange a meeting with the firearms section to see what they have planned for Jan 1st. The new permits will require more manpower to process.
I’m not sure I have bought enough guns to accurately say if it’s a common thing. However there were 6 people in front of me and even if it took 10 min per person that 6th guy would’ve waited an hour until getting served. Not sure if people consider that long or not.
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20 min for one person not a long wait?
Im usually in and out of there with no problems and still takes like 5-10 minutes. If you are doing multiple firearms you need to fill out a full set of forms and write on a carbon copy for each permit, so 1 for each hand gun and 1 for long gun. You do one or two hand guns and heck while im here might as well do long gun too, thats 20 mins garantee.
I think a lot of guys are new or lazy and have issues with their forms or have to ask a lot of questions. Then theres CCW, which im sure has more forms, but I dont know for sure how long one of those takes.
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i don't care if it's a "rare occurrence"
a settlement is a settlement...
I talked to the SGT at HPD and explained the Wednesday incident. He wasn't there at the time and not aware there was an incident, and will bring it up the chain.
I asked that they send out a notice ahead of time if they do it again, and for an apology to the 15 people affected.
It should be a rare occurrence, probably every thanksgiving, and some major holidays depending when it falls.
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i don't care if it's a "rare occurrence"
a settlement is a settlement...
Ok, what are you going to do about it?
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Ok, what are you going to do about it?
not be hostile...
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not be hostile...
I didn't say it to be hostile.
What is your plan? If you had to take care of it, what would you do to fix it?
As for me, it's pretty far down the list of a long list of priorities.
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I didn't say it to be hostile.
What is your plan? If you had to take care of it, what would you do to fix it?
As for me, it's pretty far down the list of a long list of priorities.
Zippz, thank you for talking to hpd about this kind of stuff. pay no attention to people who make useless negative comments, just chalk it up to them venting.
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Aloha bradda Zippz
First of all, Mahalo for speaking with HPD about the incident that happened.
What concerns me about your conversation with the SGT there is that he was unaware of the incident. So that would make it seem that either the officers there knew and didn't care (and not say anything less they get in trouble etc) or were uninformed?
I remember reading something about officers possibly being placed there for disciplinary action. If that is the case then maybe they may not know the settlement rules etc. I honestly don't know just thinking out loud. Maybe, having HPD place a notice or some other type of notification in a place easily observable to the officers reminding them of that rule/advance notice required for certain situations etc
That may or may not help the situation(s) but either way. I'd like to thank you for what you do to defend 2A in Hawai'i Nei
Aloha
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I also want to thank Zippz for all he has done for the 2a cause and particularly for this issue.
The problem lies entirely with HPD. Zippz talking to the Sgt. is a cordial attempt to remind them of the settlement and not try (if that was the intent) to circumvent it at their convenience.
If there was new people and they didn't know, again, the problem is with HPD. A troubling training issue that seems to be plaguing the department, as the recent unattended rifle incident shows recently.
After all, what good would it have done if you go in screaming and yelling about a settlement issue. HPD, State, and County has the hammer over all of us.
They know it, and are full of it when they remind us of it.
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I also want to thank Zippz for all he has done for the 2a cause and particularly for this issue.
The problem lies entirely with HPD. Zippz talking to the Sgt. is a cordial attempt to remind them of the settlement and not try (if that was the intent) to circumvent it at their convenience.
If there was new people and they didn't know, again, the problem is with HPD. A troubling training issue that seems to be plaguing the department, as the recent unattended rifle incident shows recently.
After all, what good would it have done if you go in screaming and yelling about a settlement issue. HPD, State, and County has the hammer over all of us.
They know it, and are full of it when they remind us of it.
Have you seen how many signs and posters they have around the records and firearms sections?
it's NOT a training issue. It's giving the issue high enough priority that they spend 2 minutes putting together a list of policies and procedures for the Firearms section workers to look at. Post it on the countertop, on the window facing them, on the backside of the door so they see it when closing up, ...
Following a simple checklist doesn't take much "training." How much training was needed for you to make your first KHSC target frames? Did you take a class, or did you simply follow the written (digital) instructions?
Someone just needs to be proactive enough to actually print out the rules for everyone -- not just the newbies.
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Have you seen how many signs and posters they have around the records and firearms sections?
it's NOT a training issue. It's giving the issue high enough priority that they spend 2 minutes putting together a list of policies and procedures for the Firearms section workers to look at. Post it on the countertop, on the window facing them, on the backside of the door so they see it when closing up, ...
Ok. If it's not a training issue, something still is wrong over there. I would think somebody is in charge at the firearms section and would know that on Wednesdays you stay until everyone in line at closing time is serviced.
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Ok. If it's not a training issue, something still is wrong over there. I would think somebody is in charge at the firearms section and would know that on Wednesdays you stay until everyone in line at closing time is serviced.
The buck stops with the Chief of Police. If nobody complains loudly enough -- i.e. just talking to the desk workers and the SGT -- then how is anything going to get done to the public's satisfaction? This is such a small, simple issue that it should have never happened in the first place.
HPD has written policies on everything. After a lawsuit settlement, one would imagine they would give that enough attention to avoid violating their agreement.
So, either they misinterpreted the agreement, or they did this in spite of the agreement intentionally. Simply failing to follow it because of "training" or any other excuse is not acceptable.
If the agreement was part of a court order, then they may be guilty of contempt of court, which can rise to a criminal offense, not just civil.
I have a problem when the people in charge of making me follow the rules get caught not following the rules -- especially when there's no real excuse for it.
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I talked to the SGT at HPD and explained the Wednesday incident. He wasn't there at the time and not aware there was an incident, and will bring it up the chain.
I asked that they send out a notice ahead of time if they do it again, and for an apology to the 15 people affected.
It should be a rare occurrence, probably every thanksgiving, and some major holidays depending when it falls.
I was there on 11/22. Got in line at 3:15pm and left at 6:45pm. Average time per person seemed to be around 20 minutes. I believe there were about 20 people already in line when I got there. At 6:20, a female officer came out and told everyone that they close in ten minutes and that they’ll be open on Friday. Like someone said in another post there was around 10-15 people still in line. I’m sure this can be corroborated if they checked the security camera footage. A woman in civilian clothing actually kept coming out to make sure everyone had the correct paperwork, surveyed the line, and also said that everyone currently in line will be served that day.
I had all the correct paperwork. Filled out forms for two firearms. Had my photo taken, no fingerprints. Still got out in 18-20 minutes.
Per my calculations, around 20 people, 20 minutes per person, two services desks, still comes out to almost 3.5 hours. The timing almost matches the hours that I was there, 3:15 - 6:45.
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My wife and I were also in the line on the 22nd. Got there at 3:45 (22 in line) and also experienced the "We are closing in 10 minutes." Two guys in front of us left, leaving two in front of us, who got in the door just before 6:30. Then the female officer with glasses, said something like that is all for today. I mentioned about the lawsuit that anyone in line by 6:30 will be served, her response was "Then we would be here all night." so those who waited were turned away.
Yesterday my wife with her sister got in line at 1:45 with about 30+ in line. Because of the rain the line wrapped back under the building cover. There was a guy with his little son went in, he said he is not cutting, and he also mentioned that it took him 5 hours this morning. We got in the door at 6:22 and when we left there were 24 still in line. Note: noticed about 5 or so leaving while we were in line.
Thank you DesertRangerTycho for monitoring and reminding the staff of the lawsuit.
For those in line by 6:30, could you let us know what time did you finish.
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My wife and I were also in the line on the 22nd. Got there at 3:45 (22 in line) and also experienced the "We are closing in 10 minutes." Two guys in front of us left, leaving two in front of us, who got in the door just before 6:30. Then the female officer with glasses, said something like that is all for today. I mentioned about the lawsuit that anyone in line by 6:30 will be served, her response was "Then we would be here all night." so those who waited were turned away.
Yesterday my wife with her sister got in line at 1:45 with about 30+ in line. Because of the rain the line wrapped back under the building cover. There was a guy with his little son went in, he said he is not cutting, and he also mentioned that it took him 5 hours this morning. We got in the door at 6:22 and when we left there were 24 still in line. Note: noticed about 5 or so leaving while we were in line.
Thank you DesertRangerTycho for monitoring and reminding the staff of the lawsuit.
For those in line by 6:30, could you let us know what time did you finish.
Now that is a really long wait! crazy
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I tried looking but not successful, could someone please post a link for the lawsuit settlement for the "Wednesday nights, process everyone in line before 6:30," so we can print it out and hare it in our submission packet documentation.
Thanks
https://www.hawaiifreepress.com/Articles-Main/ID/25769/Settlement-Improves-Honolulu-Gun-Registration-System
http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/Portals/0/Article%20Attachments/Article%20Attachments%202020/Yukutake%20Settlement%20Agreement.pdf?ver=2020-06-10-044938-420×tamp=1592220130290
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I tried looking but not successful, could someone please post a link for the lawsuit settlement for the "Wednesday nights, process everyone in line before 6:30," so we can print it out and hare it in our submission packet documentation.
Thanks
https://www.hawaiifreepress.com/Articles-Main/ID/25769/Settlement-Improves-Honolulu-Gun-Registration-System
http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/Portals/0/Article%20Attachments/Article%20Attachments%202020/Yukutake%20Settlement%20Agreement.pdf?ver=2020-06-10-044938-420×tamp=1592220130290
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3+ hours today 12/1/23
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A friend told me Mondays are the worst is that true?
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A friend told me Mondays are the worst is that true?
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Idk if it's true or not, but my wife went there at 8 this morning and was 23rd in line. She texted me at 1015 she hadn't moved in an hour. She also texted that someone had come out and passed out paperwork to those who hadn't done it.
So not sure what's up and why it's taking so long? She texted her phone was almost dead so we'll have to see how it went.
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Yikes 😬!
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Got there at 6:55 this morning with 18 people in front of me. First guy in line was there at 4:45. Line moved super slow and I got done at 11am. With about 25 people still in line when I left. Guy behind the desk with glasses was super nice. Wish we had more state employees like him.
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So who brings food or water?
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Reservations for Hilo is a month out.
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holy cow, things really have gone from bad to worse. Karl Rhoads must be pleased.
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holy cow, things really have gone from bad to worse. Karl Rhoads must be pleased.
He has a boner.
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8am. Forgot to count, but looked to be about 20 in line. Line went almost to stairs.
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8am. Forgot to count, but looked to be about 20 in line. Line went almost to stairs.
keep us posted with total time you're there.
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keep us posted with total time you're there.
Sorry bro, I had other business @ Hpd so was just walking past.
Fwiw, when i got there around 545, only had a few guys lined up.
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Just an update to my Monday post. Wife got done at 130 pm she did 2 handguns. Around 11ish she said the ccw side began helping which sped things up. So around 5 hrs it took her.
Hope that helps
Aloha
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Anybody know how long the line now?
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Heres some food for though. This is in no way giving an excuse for HPD's slowness.
Got my NV CCW at the NV Metro police station. Pre-covid. There were about 40 people in their waiting room. Did my app, prints, photo, and paid all with in 12 minutes. I thought for sure I would be there all day. They had 12 windows and any window can help you process your app and pay. 5 finger printing stations and 5 camera stations.
Renewed it post Covid. Same process and station. Took 5 hours. But at least the Metro there is indoors with AC and chairs. You also are given a number so you can monitor how many more before you. They also have easy access to a clean restroom.
It's hard to gauage how many are there for CCW because that same area is also the spot where people on parole check in. But sometimes you can tell who's there for CCW due to the "tacticool" clothing. Seems like post Covid, NV Metro really slowed down.
Nevada doesn't have registration or a permit to acquire, so the above is only for CCW.
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12/7 11:45 am, line was to the diamond head side of the bldg...
Anybody know how long the line now?
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Crazy smh… thanks
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Heres some food for though. This is in no way giving an excuse for HPD's slowness.
Got my NV CCW at the NV Metro police station. Pre-covid. There were about 40 people in their waiting room. Did my app, prints, photo, and paid all with in 12 minutes. I thought for sure I would be there all day. They had 12 windows and any window can help you process your app and pay. 5 finger printing stations and 5 camera stations.
Renewed it post Covid. Same process and station. Took 5 hours. But at least the Metro there is indoors with AC and chairs. You also are given a number so you can monitor how many more before you. They also have easy access to a clean restroom.
It's hard to gauage how many are there for CCW because that same area is also the spot where people on parole check in. But sometimes you can tell who's there for CCW due to the "tacticool" clothing. Seems like post Covid, NV Metro really slowed down.
Nevada doesn't have registration or a permit to acquire, so the above is only for CCW.
NV had a few new anti-gun laws enacted, which probably impacts the processing of all firearm-related business.
The most egregious is the Universal background Check -- mirroring HI's system.
In 2016, the new law was voted on by the public and narrowly passed on the promise public funds and resources would not be used -- they expected NICS to run the checks for private sales, too. The FBI said, "Ain't nobody here got time fo' dat!" There are insufficient federal funds and resources to add private sales on top of all FFL sales needing NICS checks.
The NV legislature had to do some updating on the bill, and it was effective in 2020.
The STATE now has to perform the same background checks for FFL sales they used to rely on NICS for. The state check will always be more encompassing (and invasive) than a records search at NICS. That requires more time and more paperwork.
I have a feeling all that plus other new laws are bogging down the whole process.
But, you feel safer in Vegas now, right? Must be worth it...
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Arrived today, 12/11/23, at ~4:45am and was first in line.
At 6:00am, ~12 people in line.
Finished at 8:15am, ~25 people in line.
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Ill be interested to see what the line will be on 1/4/24 and on.
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Was there to pick up permit at 9ish the line was down the stairs
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Was there to pick up permit at 9ish the line was down the stairs
Wow, even for pick up? How long did it end up taking you on the pick up side?
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Wow, even for pick up? How long did it end up taking you on the pick up side?
No I didn’t pick up from that side I was registration side but I drove by the pta side and saw the line
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Was there to pick up permit at 9ish the line was down the stairs
How long did it you on the reg. side for permit pick up?
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Yesterday just before 4pm, 24 in line at the permit side and two in the registration/permit pickup side. Registration would have been quick, but had this guy and his wife with a cart of firearms to register.
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Anyone can confirm if you need to be in line by closing time or be in the door to get accepted?
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Anyone can confirm if you need to be in line by closing time or be in the door to get accepted?
In line by 630 pm, for wednesdays only.
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Passed by today @ around 3:07pm, I saw nobody on the permit side standing in front the door waiting in line. Did they clear the long line by that time or was everyone booted out?
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Is it the same process for the Permit to Acquire for CCW holders?
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Passed by today @ around 3:07pm, I saw nobody on the permit side standing in front the door waiting in line. Did they clear the long line by that time or was everyone booted out?
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bc of the 2 week wait period, only ccw holders can apply for PTA bc they will get the PTA right then and there no 2 week wait
non-ccw peeps it's too late for them bc by the time the 2 week wait is over, it's now 2024. too late for you :'(
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bc of the 2 week wait period, only ccw holders can apply for PTA bc they will get the PTA right then and there no 2 week wait
non-ccw peeps it's too late for them bc by the time the 2 week wait is over, it's now 2024. too late for you :'(
did an hpd worker tell you that? because an sec worker told me it should be fine to apply up until the 29th.
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did an hpd worker tell you that? because an sec worker told me it should be fine to apply up until the 29th.
I just assumed that
I could be wrong
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did an hpd worker tell you that? because an sec worker told me it should be fine to apply up until the 29th.
J Hara Store is also advising old rules in effect till end of the month as long as you start the process before 2024
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With the rush of pta that happened recently, anyone else feel confident the registration process online gonna be slow dragged into the new year?
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Can we even apply for a pistol permit in Jan? I thought we will be forced to go through the training/classes again. Of course, is there any certified instructors given the new criteria?
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21st Dec. Got here at 2 with 9 people in front of me. Line hasn't moved in 30 minutes. Will update how long it takes.
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21st Dec. Got here at 2 with 9 people in front of me. Line hasn't moved in 30 minutes. Will update how long it takes.
9 isn't bad.
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9 isn't bad.
almost 330. They came outside to say that they close at 4 and won't service everyone in line. Still got 6 people in front of me
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They closed up at 4 and told everyone in line to come back tomorrow.
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Guess they’re not taking everyone in line like they’re supposed to?
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Guess they’re not taking everyone in line like they’re supposed to?
Supposedly only on Wednesdays
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Oh I see.
Can anyone confirm if they’re still giving out permits for non CCW holders because of the 2 week waiting period?
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So that means they should come out at 11 and start turning people away since its a 5hr wait.
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Guess they’re not taking everyone in line like they’re supposed to?
Contacted HFC. Only on Wednesdays.
I'm here again on Friday morning Dec 22nd. Got here at 430am and was 3rd in line. By 7am the line is 20+
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Arrived at 0500 but about 12 people ahead of me. Hopefully they will open more windows today.
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I remember those lines early am during the covid bullsh*t.
2a rights being trampled on again.
Persevere, guys.
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Line is for sure long.
Anyone know which line is for picking up permits?
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Line is for sure long.
Anyone know which line is for picking up permits?
the register side. not by the store
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Someone going in for LTC on Beretania tells me that LEO came out and told all that " no matter when you apply, if your 14 days are in 2024, you have get a new safety class. :wacko:
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Someone going in for LTC on Beretania tells me that LEO came out and told all that " no matter when you apply, if your 14 days are in 2024, you have get a new safety class. :wacko:
Yup friend in line for pta just told me same thing. If applying for permit to acquire today, if they want to pick it up next year they need to bring certificate of new training requirements for pickup after 1/1/24.
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Yup friend in line for pta just told me same thing. If applying for permit to acquire today, if they want to pick it up next year they need to bring certificate of new training requirements for pickup after 1/1/24.
That’s not what they told
Me last week
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Yup friend in line for pta just told me same thing. If applying for permit to acquire today, if they want to pick it up next year they need to bring certificate of new training requirements for pickup after 1/1/24.
This is true.
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If u applied after 12/18, u just wasted 5hrs in line.
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But if you’re applying for LTC before 1/1/24 it’s only good for 1 year, but you’d be picking that up in ‘24 so wouldn’t you need all new training requirements then?
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But if you’re applying for LTC before 1/1/24 it’s only good for 1 year, but you’d be picking that up in ‘24 so wouldn’t you need all new training requirements then?
Yes. Refer to the day Bruen was ruled on and how hpd changed the requirements.
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Wonder if that’ll affect the length of the lines?
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This is true.
That's not what they told my wife. They told my wife that you could apply to the 29th with her hunter Ed card. So why now they're saying no can. They just told her this last week because I had her ask.
My friend is in line right now because he just bought a pistol. And he was told the same thing as my wife from hpd and the gun shop he bought the pistol at.
That's why hard :wtf:
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That's not what they told my wife. They told my wife that you could apply to the 29th with her hunter Ed card. So why now they're saying no can. They just told her this last week because I had her ask.
My friend is in line right now because he just bought a pistol. And he was told the same thing as my wife from hpd and the gun shop he bought the pistol at.
That's why hard :wtf:
The hunter’s Ed is good for the long gun as long as it’s within the last 4 years.
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Yup friend in line for pta just told me same thing. If applying for permit to acquire today, if they want to pick it up next year they need to bring certificate of new training requirements for pickup after 1/1/24.
Sorry was trying to quote this also
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The hunter’s Ed is good for the long gun as long as it’s within the last 4 years.
Rajah, but they both asked specifically for handgun
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line @6:30am was on the handicapped walkway towards the street...
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Gonna have a lot of potentially pissed off people come the beginning of the year if permits get denied after waiting hours in line on top of the 2 week waiting period with the conflicting information being put out by hpd.
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Gonna have a lot of potentially pissed off people come the beginning of the year if permits get denied after waiting hours in line on top of the 2 week waiting period with the conflicting information being put out by hpd.
Then they should have helped the cause. Maybe this is what's needed so people get more involved next legislative session.
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Just was notified 1:30pm Dec 27th that there is 31 people line and line is around the bldg.
Im going at about 4 since i cant take off from work.
Aloha!
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Just was notified 1:30pm Dec 27th that there is 31 people line and line is around the bldg.
Im going at about 4 since i cant take off from work.
Aloha!
Know that they have to take u in as long as you're in line before 6:30. Bring chair and cooler and back up battery for cell phone.
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https://youtu.be/vxrBqpRbHxk?si=NZtswGty7unTjVpl
Link to No 2nd amendment in Hawaii.
Sorry I’m computer illiterate.
Jones
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https://youtu.be/vxrBqpRbHxk?si=NZtswGty7unTjVpl
Link to No 2nd amendment in Hawaii.
Sorry I’m computer illiterate.
Jones
So it looks like they are still processing permits. The video said it halted on the 18th
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Yesterday took me just under three hours to do my Long Gun Renewal. went in at 4:17pm.
I heard that today there was NO LINE!
Seems HPD is telling everyone, we will take your application BUT you need to provide new Training documents...Hmmm
I too for my long gun renewal will need to provide the Hunter's ed course completion card to get my permit.
Aloha!
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Quote from: Alika on December 26, 2023, 05:59:50 PM
But if you’re applying for LTC before 1/1/24 it’s only good for 1 year, but you’d be picking that up in ‘24 so wouldn’t you need all new training requirements then?Yes. Refer to the day Bruen was ruled on and how hpd changed the requirements.
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So if applied for LTC between 12/18/23 and 12/31 but don't get submit required PTA in post Jan 1, 24, does that mean LTC permit is good for 4 yrs ? :wacko:
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Quote from: Alika on December 26, 2023, 05:59:50 PM
But if you’re applying for LTC before 1/1/24 it’s only good for 1 year, but you’d be picking that up in ‘24 so wouldn’t you need all new training requirements then?So if applied for LTC between 12/18/23 and 12/31 but don't get submit required PTA in post Jan 1, 24, does that mean LTC permit is good for 4 yrs ? :wacko:
No clue. But I know 1 guy who submitted his renewal and was the only one at that time so far, he still hasn't received it.
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Update: I renewed my long gun permit on Wednesday 12/27 and got a call yesterday 12/28 from HPD.....Mr. XXXX i see you have your LTC. You should have told the officer. they would have immediately issued you long gun permit
So today (friday) i went back and stood in line for an hour on the Registration/Permit pick up side and sure enough was issued my long gun permit.
Amazing...
Good luck to everyone.
Happy New Year!
Be Safe!
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My wife applied for her handgun permit on the 12/18/23. She received an automated phone today 12/30/23 from Hpd informing her she needs to submit a new handgun safety affidavit. Why did they not tell us that when we applied? We wasted 5 hours. Bachi on them. HPD once again confirming their incompetence and corruption to the public.
Dr. Jones
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3 guys in front and 3 guys behind. Everyone didn't have up to date paperwork so I was in and out in 30 minutes after submitting my CCW paperwork. Officer helping me was extremely nice and helpful. He said between him and another officer working on the CCW applications there is about 300 applicants that they are going to have to call. I guess if you applied last year they are going to require everyone to get updated Handgun saftey class and CCW training class that has the new curriculum. Sounds like a bunch more hoops for everyone. Get ahead of the game and get your classes done. Don't wait for the call and delay it even longer. Officer said right now im looking at 3 months minimum. 🤙
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3 guys in front and 3 guys behind. Everyone didn't have up to date paperwork so I was in and out in 30 minutes after submitting my CCW paperwork. Officer helping me was extremely nice and helpful. He said between him and another officer working on the CCW applications there is about 300 applicants that they are going to have to call. I guess if you applied last year they are going to require everyone to get updated Handgun saftey class and CCW training class that has the new curriculum. Sounds like a bunch more hoops for everyone. Get ahead of the game and get your classes done. Don't wait for the call and delay it even longer. Officer said right now im looking at 3 months minimum. 🤙
and after 120 days, it's an automatic denial and no refund of your $150. Plus you have to retake the shooting qualification, which will cost $50 at the range and what ever the instructor charges. So easily $200 gone.
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Just been told someone went back with "New and Improved" Safety affidavit to back up LTC app submitted December 27th
and were informed they needed "New and Improved" LTC affidavit. :wacko:
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Just been told someone went back with "New and Improved" Safety affidavit to back up LTC app submitted December 27th
and were informed they needed "New and Improved" LTC affidavit. :wacko:
Wut?
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Just been told someone went back with "New and Improved" Safety affidavit to back up LTC app submitted December 27th
and were informed they needed "New and Improved" LTC affidavit. :wacko:
at least they're consistent
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Any confirmation on this ?
Any confirmation on the 2024 $150 LTC Application "Fee" ???
Just been told someone went back with "New and Improved" Safety affidavit to back up LTC app submitted December 27th
and were informed they needed "New and Improved" LTC affidavit. :wacko: