Post by: ren on December 02, 2023, 10:07:33 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 02, 2023, 10:12:52 AM
The police got experts to say theyre bad.
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Post by: macsak on December 02, 2023, 10:14:06 AM
Post by: QUIETShooter on December 02, 2023, 10:59:12 AM
Back when I served they trained us on irons up to 300 yards. Good enough for me. :shaka:
edited to add: Oh wait. We talking pistols. Sorry. They are still cool but not for me. :wave:
Post by: oldfart on December 02, 2023, 11:27:40 AM
But they do have a useful purpose.
It's not a cure-all for poor habits and marksmanship.
Post by: astroboy on December 02, 2023, 11:41:57 AM
this becomes painfully obvious. As an official old fut, this is the future. Who knows
what new tech will become common place in just a few more years.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 02, 2023, 12:40:06 PM
Just sayin'...
Post by: Sodie on December 02, 2023, 02:26:44 PM
1 county banned it on their ccw for civilians.
The police got experts to say theyre bad.
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What county banned them?
Post by: Sodie on December 02, 2023, 02:27:19 PM
Post by: aaronc5362 on December 02, 2023, 03:23:04 PM
I dont have any myself.. I keep wanting to buy a slide for my g19 but something else always come up.😂
I guess the way everyone hypes it to be on YouTube.. It looks like a trend but instead of lining up front and rear sights
You just stay target focused with the red dot like on an ar15.
Post by: zippz on December 02, 2023, 03:43:50 PM
I'm slowly moving to red dots, looking for a Holosun for my carry pistol.
Post by: jase90 on December 02, 2023, 05:53:14 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 02, 2023, 07:54:50 PM
If it's just a fad ... Do any of you have red dots/ holographic sights on any long guns particularily ar15s? LolJust around OIF, not all m16s had ACOGS.
I dont have any myself.. I keep wanting to buy a slide for my g19 but something else always come up.
I guess the way everyone hypes it to be on YouTube.. It looks like a trend but instead of lining up front and rear sights
You just stay target focused with the red dot like on an ar15.
Now in basic, acogs are standard issue.
Not a red dot, but the concept is going from irons as back ups and optics as primary.
Were seeing more SF units with red dots and even a general or 2 with them when they have their sidearm.
RDS is the future as theyre becoming more reliable and cheaper.
Look at the M17/18, all come optics ready.
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Post by: Cain57 on December 02, 2023, 08:16:55 PM
Post by: Influence on December 02, 2023, 09:14:18 PM
I do feel closed emitter is the future
Post by: eyeeatingfish on December 02, 2023, 09:53:55 PM
Post by: stangzilla on December 03, 2023, 06:43:20 AM
I like Holosun bc they are a little more affordable, I like the reticle, they work great for my application
Both my carry pistols have Holosun's. The P365 has 2 slides. 1 with RDS, 1 with the iron night sights. If I'm going to pocket carry, I'll use the iron sights bc fits in my pocket better and my pocket holster is not cut for a RDS. Takes some practice to get used to the RDS, but once you are used to sight acquisition, they work great. Good to have options
Some handguns I don't like a RDS on them. Like a revolver or a classic 1911. For a 2011 or a more modern style 1911 is fine. IMO, a classic 1911 or a revolver and a RDS just don't go together.
Post by: stangzilla on December 03, 2023, 06:52:38 AM
I feel most of a civilians' defensive distance will be at close quarters. Might not have time to even use any type of sights, irons or RDS, just point shoot or from the hip.
Always good to have options
Post by: QUIETShooter on December 03, 2023, 07:08:48 AM
For close quarter self defense, RDS isn't much of an advantage
I feel most of a civilians' defensive distance will be at close quarters. Might not have time to even use any type of sights, irons or RDS, just point shoot or from the hip.
Always good to have options
I was just going to post this point of view. Thanks for bringing it up Stang. :thumbsup:
Like I mentioned earlier, RDS are cool and neat, and are here to stay. They will continue to get more popular and mainstream. I had a hard time acquiring the dot the first time I tried it but I know it gets faster with training. I think RDS has a purpose in competitive shooting and tactical operations.
My tool of choice for self defense is a "get off of me" tool. Chances are I wouldn't even aim. Just point and shoot.
With that being said, I've been training at the bulleye range at KHSC with this gun. I'm pleased with the progress I'm doing with the iron sights at 25 yards.
As is, my tool doesn't print when in my front pocket. I'm concerned the RDS would make it harder so it's hard to justify the added mass.
My other tool doesn't print also. But sometimes it does. Depending. :rofl:
Post by: oldfart on December 03, 2023, 07:58:42 AM
For close quarter self defense, RDS isn't much of an advantage===========
I feel most of a civilians' defensive distance will be at close quarters. Might not have time to even use any type of sights, irons or RDS, just point shoot or from the hip.
Always good to have options
exactly, for ccw it is added bulk.
for compettion shooting ,it is a big help.
Post by: aaronc5362 on December 04, 2023, 06:23:46 PM
For close quarter self defense, RDS isn't much of an advantage
I feel most of a civilians' defensive distance will be at close quarters. Might not have time to even use any type of sights, irons or RDS, just point shoot or from the hip.
Always good to have options
Bingo. Target shooting vs point shooting . plus it'll give you a nice option to rack the slide. Lol
Maybe 1 day I'll finally get one. I did however try my friends one on his rtf g17. This was before optic cut slides were a thing. And I missed every shot. 😂 unless I used the wooden block things the sillhouette side had. Iirc it was like an egw rear dovetail plate. But dont think egw made it but could be wrong.
Sorry changemyoil... Whats OIF? Lol
Post by: zippz on December 04, 2023, 07:51:39 PM
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exactly, for ccw it is added bulk.
for compettion shooting ,it is a big help.
It doesn't add much bulk and makes no difference unless you need the absolute smallest gun for pocket carry.
Optics allow you to have a shorter barrel, saving bulk. No sight radius needed for longer shots.
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 04, 2023, 08:02:01 PM
Bingo. Target shooting vs point shooting . plus it'll give you a nice option to rack the slide. LolOperation Iraqi Freedom. Our 2nd invasion of iraq after Desert Strom.
Maybe 1 day I'll finally get one. I did however try my friends one on his rtf g17. This was before optic cut slides were a thing. And I missed every shot.unless I used the wooden block things the sillhouette side had. Iirc it was like an egw rear dovetail plate. But dont think egw made it but could be wrong.
Sorry changemyoil... Whats OIF? Lol
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Post by: macsak on December 04, 2023, 08:30:43 PM
Operation Iraqi Freedom. Our 2nd invasion of iraq after Desert Strom.
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