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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: eyeeatingfish on December 03, 2023, 04:00:28 PM
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Video is a couple years old but this is the first I have heard of this product.
Checked local law to see if it would pass muster but Hawaii law prohibits silencers and "devices for deadening or muffling the sound of discharged firearms" so I am guessing it would come down to a test case.
Has anyone seen or tried this?
I could see this as a good product for hunting or home defense to limit hearing damage but I don't want to be the test case.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7QOd3tWQNk
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"Its a trap"(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20231204/261dac806baf11e5e4ce5564bd627caf.jpg)
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what a clown
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So we must never publicly discuss any gray area equipment or someone suggests you are trying to trap them? Swoosh
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So we must never publicly discuss any gray area equipment or someone suggests you are trying to trap them? Swoosh
Please show where anyone else said that.
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Please show where anyone else said that.
It was an obvious implication from CMO's meme
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It was an obvious implication from CMO's meme
So, nobody else said, "we must never publicly discuss any gray area equipment".
Gotcha.
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It was an obvious implication from CMO's meme
So there is no way that meant a solvent trap? This phrase only must mean 1 thing right and it's the thing EEF says is true. Thanks Newsom.
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Video is a couple years old but this is the first I have heard of this product.
Checked local law to see if it would pass muster but Hawaii law prohibits silencers and "devices for deadening or muffling the sound of discharged firearms" so I am guessing it would come down to a test case.
Has anyone seen or tried this?
I could see this as a good product for hunting or home defense to limit hearing damage but I don't want to be the test case.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7QOd3tWQNk
So you are implying that someone else give this a try and if that person gets charged with a crime...
Don't you have resources at your employer to interpret this product's legality in Hawaii?
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So you are implying that someone else give this a try and if that person gets charged with a crime...
Don't you have resources at your employer to interpret this product's legality in Hawaii?
Maybe i wasnt refering to a solvent trap. But "IT'S A TRAP", trap.
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I have several ear protectors like the ones Hickok45 uses. I have one hanging on the wall next to my bed right above my gun as well as wherever there is a firearm in my house. The deafening sound can be an advantage if you are wearing ear protection.
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I have several ear protectors like the ones Hickok45 uses. I have one hanging on the wall next to my bed right above my gun as well as wherever there is a firearm in my house. The deafening sound can be an advantage if you are wearing ear protection.
Not a bad idea, just not sure I would think to turn them on and then put them on before grabbing my gun.
This guy's video said it was still quite loud but it took the edge off so it doesn't seem this device would make it safe to shoot indoors but may reduce the damage. Ultimately it seems close enough in design to a suppresser that I wouldn't feel comfortable getting caught with one unless I had some sort of assurance from authorities it was ok.
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why don't you ask your coworkers...
Not a bad idea, just not sure I would think to turn them on and then put them on before grabbing my gun.
This guy's video said it was still quite loud but it took the edge off so it doesn't seem this device would make it safe to shoot indoors but may reduce the damage. Ultimately it seems close enough in design to a suppresser that I wouldn't feel comfortable getting caught with one unless I had some sort of assurance from authorities it was ok.
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Seems like it’s similar to a linear compensator in which it redirects the noise forward instead of muffling.
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why don't you ask your coworkers...
Don't ask the Shockwave ones.
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Don't ask the Shockwave ones.
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What's a Shockwave one?
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SME are legal. They are sold in stores and they are used at the range.
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A silencer or suppressor is an NFA restricted/controlled item.
This SME product does not require an NFA tax stamp.
Legally, this does not rise to the definition of silencer/suppressor.
Unless HI changes the law to call this specific product out as banned, it's legal.
I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think HI statute describes what product does.
It's not reducing the noise as much as redirecting it.
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I have several ear protectors like the ones Hickok45 uses. I have one hanging on the wall next to my bed right above my gun as well as wherever there is a firearm in my house. The deafening sound can be an advantage if you are wearing ear protection.
I have electronic ears on my headboard.
Turn them on, and I protect my ears while also having a good amount of ambient sounds coming through.
Foam earplugs like you have are much better than nothing, but I prefer electronics which let me hear my environment as well as dampen the sound of a gunshot.
(https://i.imgur.com/MC5Ju4t.jpg)
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What's a Shockwave one?
The Shockwave is a firearm that uses a shotgun shell. It found a loophole in the law that didn't need an 18inch barrel. 1 FFL carried them, but were told they're illegal. This happened some years ago when it first was released.
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Seems like it’s similar to a linear compensator in which it redirects the noise forward instead of muffling.
It certainly does do that to some extent.
Flapps suggestion that it redirects the noise instead of reducing it might be a good way of thinking about it. Would have to do measurements with a decibel meter to see if that is the case.
Fortunately or unfortunately Hawaii doesn't really define a suppressor/silencer, just says they aren't allowed.
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It certainly does do that to some extent.
Flapps suggestion that it redirects the noise instead of reducing it might be a good way of thinking about it. Would have to do measurements with a decibel meter to see if that is the case.
Fortunately or unfortunately Hawaii doesn't really define a suppressor/silencer, just says they aren't allowed.
Legally, if the NFA doesn't require a tax stamp, it's not a silencer.
(And, no, this does not include homemade silencers. Just those manufactured for the retail market).
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sooo...what about the plastic soda bottle trick ?
That's the problem with trying to change people's behavior by technical micromanagement.
Think of the big picture.
Look at all the laws written or proposed to prohibit things like:
80% receivers-need to control blocks of metal or plastic
Gun parts- need to control 3D printers
AR15's- need to control gas operated guns
Magazines- need to control how many rounds in a mag
Supressors- need to control soda bottles and pillows
Knives- need to control switchblades and butterfly knives
Fireworks- :rofl:
By nature, people will find ways to innovate or improvise anything. It's evolution.
Without technical evolution, I would have to walk to Times Supermarket or get on a horse.
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sooo...what about the plastic soda bottle trick ?
Would violate state law.
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sooo...what about the plastic soda bottle trick ?
That's the problem with trying to change people's behavior by technical micromanagement.
Think of the big picture.
Look at all the laws written or proposed to prohibit things like:
80% receivers-need to control blocks of metal or plastic
Gun parts- need to control 3D printers
AR15's- need to control gas operated guns
Magazines- need to control how many rounds in a mag
Supressors- need to control soda bottles and pillows
Knives- need to control switchblades and butterfly knives
Fireworks- :rofl:
By nature, people will find ways to innovate or improvise anything. It's evolution.
Without technical evolution, I would have to walk to Times Supermarket or get on a horse.
See prior post:
(And, no, this does not include homemade silencers. Just those manufactured for the retail market).
If you buy an oil filter with the intent to make it into a silencer, you have to apply for an NFA stamp PRIOR TO buying the filter.
So, if that soda bottle was only purchased for the liquid refreshment it contained, and you converted it into a silencer, you still need an NFA stamp at the point you decided to convert it -- legally speaking.
Someone makes and sells threaded rings to attach oil filters to barrels. If you buy one, you need the ATF's "approval" to be legal.