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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: ren on December 08, 2023, 09:14:59 PM
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https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2023/12/09/tsa-discovers-anti-aircraft-ammunition-checked-bag-honolulu-airport/
TSA agents at the Honolulu airport had to evacuate a checked baggage room Friday morning after an “anti-aircraft round of ammunition” was found in a luggage.
It happened around 5:30 a.m. when TSA’s security screening x-ray technology flagged a checked bag for a potential security threat. TSA officers and an agency explosive specialist reviewed the x-ray image of the item and notified law enforcement..
The Hawaii State Sheriffs, Honolulu Police Department bomb squad and U.S. Air Force Explosive Ordnance Disposal responded to the incident and out of an abundance of caution evacuated the room.
Officials said the suspicious item was identified as a .50 caliber anti-aircraft round of ammunition.
so, no transport of Barretts?
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doin't airline rules say ammo should be in a factory box?
...or something like that
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doin't airline rules say ammo should be in a factory box?
...or something like that
Either the factory box or some other container that uses dividers to keep the ammo separated.
The passenger must also declare it during check-in so the airline knows the ammo is in the luggage. Gives them a chance to inspect the packaging and make sure it's within any weight limits for ammo. Some even require a locked container/bag if ammo is inside.
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I wonder what happened? All the story says is that it was "removed from the area".
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So, what happened to the guy that brought that one round of .50 cal?
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TSA does not require declaring ammunition in checked bags; I checked some airline websites, and of the ones I looked at only American Airlines seems to require declaring ammunition.
TSA says ammunition “up to .75 caliber” is ok… but I’m guessing this guy didn’t have it packaged correctly.
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Its odd how this would even be news as ammo is allowed in checked bags. Maybe the writer meant carry on.
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Maybe the writer cannot tell the difference between checked baggage and "checked baggage" (you know, the ones you carry-on.)
Maybe the writer doesn't know what carry-on is.
Or maybe it really was checked baggage and the guy didn't declare the ammo.
Too many maybes.
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TSA does not require declaring ammunition in checked bags; I checked some airline websites, and of the ones I looked at only American Airlines seems to require declaring ammunition.
TSA says ammunition “up to .75 caliber” is ok… but I’m guessing this guy didn’t have it packaged correctly.
Don't believe the first thing you read on a government website ...
You may transport unloaded firearms in a locked hard-sided container as
checked baggage only. Declare the firearm and/or ammunition to the airline
when checking your bag at the ticket counter.
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/transporting-firearms-and-ammunition
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Reporter probably just saw it on social media or a passenger sent them a message.
I'm surprised TSA closed the area down as they see ammunition going through all the time. Unless there's more to this like it was 1,000 rounds of loose 50 cal ammo. Shows how effective the anti-gun propaganda is.
I had some minor stuff happen when traveling. My bag got stopped when a few 5.56 rounds fell out of the cardboard box in my suitcase during the x-ray. Got stopped another time when I experimented and stored rounds in a AR15 magazine. Later I read on the internets that it's ok if it's a completely enclosed magazine, like a PMAG with a cover, haven't tried that yet. My friends pepper spray got confiscated from a bag by TSA even though it was airline policy, not TSA policy. I go camping on the outer islands and know isobutane for portable stoves is prohibited by TSA, so bought a fuel tab stove. Discovered fuel tabs are prohibited by TSA too.
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Don't believe the first thing you read on a government website ...
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/transporting-firearms-and-ammunition
I'm guessing that's for airlines policies on declaring ammo as there is no requirement in the CFR. Or to help the airlines as airlines are responsible for submitting reports if an incident should occur.
"All firearms, and certain firearms parts as described in the Federal Register, must be declared at the airline ticket counter during the check-in process. Ammunition does not need to be declared, but must be securely packaged in checked baggage. "
https://www.tsa.gov/news/press/factsheets/firearms-and-ammunition
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years ago to a match, a TSA agent inspected my rifle and scolded me for not having it on safe. He proceeded to rack it in public view a few times and placed it in safe. He saw my orders and said I should have known better. Rifle was not loaded and not within any ammo. I cant find this requirement to have rifles with the safety engaged in their policies.
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years ago to a match, a TSA agent inspected my rifle and scolded me for not having it on safe. He proceeded to rack it in public view a few times and placed it in safe. He saw my orders and said I should have known better. Rifle was not loaded and not within any ammo. I cant find this requirement to have rifles with the safety engaged in their policies.
Almost all my long guns have to have the action cocked to engage the safety.
Seems like if you rack it, dry fire it and leave the safety disengaged, that's a lot safer than a firearm that's racked with the safety on.
JMHO.
For myself, if it's a bolt action, I remove the bolt. I know some will say to put the bolt in a carry-on, but firearm parts can get confiscated. Just make a slot in the foam next to the firearm and ship it in the case.
For semi-auto, I place a plastic flag in the chamber showing the firearm is clear. Some will go so far as to install a zip-tie through the action to prevent TSA )or anyone) from racking it -- and at the same time making it obvious the firearm is unloaded.
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I can't find an email for the author, so I just posted this on KHON's facebook page.
If this was for 1 round of ammunition, then this isn't really a news story and TSA overacted. 50 caliber ammunition is allowed in check-in bags as long as it's not loaded into a firearm, packaged correctly, is .75 caliber or less, and is limited to a total of 11lbs or less by most airlines. Normally if there's an issue TSA would stop the bag, inform the owner, discard the item if necessary, and continue on as normal.
The danger from ammunition is from potential fire. No more dangerous than lithium batteries, flammable aerosols, and other controlled items.
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Wonder if there was more to the story where the round was chambered in the rifle. That would be a concern and could justify a temporarily halt. They'd have to find a safe place to unload the rifle and not sure if theyed let the owner unload it or if they'd need a knowledgeable law enforcement officer to do it.
That would make more sense.
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Wonder if there was more to the story where the round was chambered in the rifle. That would be a concern and could justify a temporarily halt. They'd have to find a safe place to unload the rifle and not sure if theyed let the owner unload it or if they'd need a knowledgeable law enforcement officer to do it.
That would make more sense.
According to Newsweek ...
The Hawaii State Sheriffs, Honolulu Police Department bomb squad
and U.S. Air Force Explosive Ordnance Disposal responded to the
Daniel K. Inouye International Airport alert and evacuated the room.
https://www.newsweek.com/transport-security-administration-tsa-guns-planes-1850999
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It's an anti-aircraft round. Trying to get on an aircraft. Oooh.....oooohhhh.....the horror. The terror....... :rofl:
These guys really know how to spin the danger/terror/horror agenda.
So strange that there was only one. Not a box. Or case. Or even crate. Now that would be a story.
Who knows, just speculating but maybe while all the hoopla and agencies were concentrating on this horrible, dangerous, single round a crate of .50 cal ammo slipped quietly away on the other conveyor belt.
Drug dealers do it all the time with boat shipments. Let the Coast Guard discover a 3 million dollar drug haul on this little boat while the 500 million drug haul slips away.....
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It's an ant-aircraft round. Trying to get on an aircraft. Oooh.....oooohhhh.....the horror. The terror....... :rofl:
These guys really know how to spin the danger/terror/horror agenda.
So strange that there was only one. Not a box. Or case. Or even crate. Now that would be a story.
Who knows, just speculating but maybe while all the hoopla and agencies were concentrating on this horrible, dangerous, single round a crate of .50 cal ammo slipped quietly away on the other conveyor belt.
Drug dealers do it all the time with boat shipments. Let the Coast Guard discover a 3 million dollar drug haul on this little boat while the 500 million drug haul slips away.....
I’ve been wondering for a while when China will start sending weapons to radical leftists in order to further destabilize our government. That’s probably how they would do it. Send a sacrificial shipment as a distraction.
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It's an anti-aircraft round. Trying to get on an aircraft. Oooh.....oooohhhh.....the horror. The terror....... :rofl:
These guys really know how to spin the danger/terror/horror agenda.
So strange that there was only one. Not a box. Or case. Or even crate. Now that would be a story.
Who knows, just speculating but maybe while all the hoopla and agencies were concentrating on this horrible, dangerous, single round a crate of .50 cal ammo slipped quietly away on the other conveyor belt.
Drug dealers do it all the time with boat shipments. Let the Coast Guard discover a 3 million dollar drug haul on this little boat while the 500 million drug haul slips away.....
According to what i've read, the .50 caliber BMG (Browning Machine Gun) was developed in 1910 and went into full service in 1921. You can find ammo in regular ball, tracer, armor-piercing (AP), incendiary, and saboted sub-caliber rounds.
It can also be used as an anti-materiel rifles (AMR), designed for use against military equipment, structures, and other hardware (materiel) targets. They are employed to eliminate equipment such as engines and unarmored or lightly armored targets.
They have been used as anti-aircraft defensive weapons, but they've been found less than capable in that role. They can, however, be effective against stationary aircraft similar to any other mechanized equipment.
I think what alarmed the TSA is the extreme appearance of the round. Even though it's within the caliber limits set by TSA, the sheer size and weight is massive compared to common self defense rounds.
(https://i.imgur.com/ssUaKhX.jpg)
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what made it worse was that they called Air Force EOD....
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According to what i've read, the .50 caliber BMG (Browning Machine Gun) was developed in 1910 and went into full service in 1921. You can find ammo in regular ball, tracer, armor-piercing (AP), incendiary, and saboted sub-caliber rounds.
It can also be used as an anti-materiel rifles (AMR), designed for use against military equipment, structures, and other hardware (materiel) targets. They are employed to eliminate equipment such as engines and unarmored or lightly armored targets.
They have been used as anti-aircraft defensive weapons, but they've been found less than capable in that role. They can, however, be effective against stationary aircraft similar to any other mechanized equipment.
I think what alarmed the TSA is the extreme appearance of the round. Even though it's within the caliber limits set by TSA, the sheer size and weight is massive compared to common self defense rounds.
(https://i.imgur.com/ssUaKhX.jpg)
Yep. Stacked side by side it even makes the 30-06 look puny. I hated cleaning the Ma Duece after training with it. All the parts were heavy and you get super oily, dirty, and tired after cleaning it. Just taking it off and then putting it back on the M113 was something I dreaded.
Anyway, I think the article used the term "anti-aircraft" round to fuel the fear, since it was found in a checked bag headed for the cargo bay of an airplane. Although anti-aircraft is certainly one of the roles of this cartridge, like you mentioned it was far more effective against mechanized targets and stationary bunkers.
They could have easily said 50 caliber cartridge but it doesn't seem as scary.
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Yep. Stacked side by side it even makes the 30-06 look puny. I hated cleaning the Ma Duece after training with it. All the parts were heavy and you get super oily, dirty, and tired after cleaning it. Just taking it off and then putting it back on the M113 was something I dreaded.
Anyway, I think the article used the term "anti-aircraft" round to fuel the fear, since it was found in a checked bag headed for the cargo bay of an airplane. Although anti-aircraft is certainly one of the roles of this cartridge, like you mentioned it was far more effective against mechanized targets and stationary bunkers.
They could have easily said 50 caliber cartridge but it doesn't seem as scary.
if this had been anywhere other than an airport, 'anti-aircraft" would have never been used.
It would have been a 'military-grade armor-piercing assault weapon sniper round.'
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years ago to a match, a TSA agent inspected my rifle and scolded me for not having it on safe. He proceeded to rack it in public view a few times and placed it in safe. He saw my orders and said I should have known better. Rifle was not loaded and not within any ammo. I cant find this requirement to have rifles with the safety engaged in their policies.
Its not a requirement.
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Its not a requirement.
it's not only not a requirement, but it's a stupid concept.
Why put a firearm you cleared and checked on safe -- assuming you even can? There's no reason to. So what if someone pulls the trigger? It should be re-checked and pointed in a safe direction if they do that.
The entire interaction sounds like someone trying to throw his weight around and sound authoritative when he had nothing better to do.
He should have asked the passenger to verify the weapon was unloaded and cleared and never touched it himself. if something were to happen to break at that moment, TSA would be paying for repairs/parts. Last one to touch it broke it.
Many discussions here warn to never let anyone, especially airline staff and TSA, handle your firearms. Tell them you'll show them anything they want, but you'll be the one doing the handling. Regardless, it's bad policy to allow anyone other than the owner handle weapons. What if the thing really did have a round accidentally left in the chamber, and the TSA agent causes an ND?
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it's not only not a requirement, but it's a stupid concept.
Why put a firearm you cleared and checked on safe -- assuming you even can? There's no reason to. So what if someone pulls the trigger? It should be re-checked and pointed in a safe direction if they do that.
The entire interaction sounds like someone trying to throw his weight around and sound authoritative when he had nothing better to do.
He should have asked the passenger to verify the weapon was unloaded and cleared and never touched it himself. if something were to happen to break at that moment, TSA would be paying for repairs/parts. Last one to touch it broke it.
Many discussions here warn to never let anyone, especially airline staff and TSA, handle your firearms. Tell them you'll show them anything they want, but you'll be the one doing the handling. Regardless, it's bad policy to allow anyone other than the owner handle weapons. What if the thing really did have a round accidentally left in the chamber, and the TSA agent causes an ND?
I read b4 tsa isnt allowed to handle guns. Any handling would have to be done by LEO. So u gotta wait till 1 shows up, whos usually on site.
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Was the round even live? or was it a dummy, deactivated? A display piece or souvenir Nobody is talking.?
Inquiring minds...
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ummm I suppose it could've been a HE or incendiary round at one time.
(https://i.imgur.com/cigk1RZ.jpeg)
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They're wrong.
Looks like someone went Kooalawe and brought a souvenir
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The media is engaging in Fear mongering and making mountains out of molehills.
ummm I suppose it could've been a HE or incendiary round at one time.
(https://i.imgur.com/cigk1RZ.jpeg)
We found stuff like that when laying underground conduit for the new living quarters at Schofield all the time. The thermos looks more dangerous. ;)
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That's not a round. It looks like a projectile or bullet that was dug up after 50 years.
But without a size reference in the photo, you can't even guess what the size actually is.
Kind of like a TEMU picture.
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That's not a round. It looks like a projectile or bullet that was dug up after 50 years.
But without a size reference in the photo, you can't even guess what the size actually is.
Kind of like a TEMU picture.
Its sitting on a blue "shop towel", a nitrile glove, and the orange thing is a box cutter.
probably an HE round.
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news also said the person was arrested.
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news also said the person was arrested.
unfortunately the person doesnt know how xrays work. he shoulda filled the thermos with lead instead of coffee. :rofl:
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heads
That's not a round. It looks like a projectile or bullet
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What we have come to expect from our media I am afraid.
They just can't be taken seriously.
I wonder how the EOD guys kept a straight face :crazy:
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That photo makes more sense than anything the media reported.
Thousands of .50 caliber rounds were expended during the attack on PH. Some were anti-aircraft, some tracers, some armor-piercing, etc.
It really looks like a relic from either the attack or possibly military training.
Too bad the government is so hell-bent on taking away gun rights and the complicit media is too biased to even research the things they see on social media that have anything remotely related to guns.
I think the person carry this is more guilty (allegedly) of stealing a historic relic than anything firearm related. If the military can't fix the bullet holes in Hickam and Schofield Barracks bullet-riddled structures out of historical preservation, there must be laws on the books making the removal and possession of WWII relics without permission illegal, too.
JMO
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What likely happened is noob TSA guy screening the bags thought it was a bomb on the xray and immediately cleared the room without anyone else seeing it. Then TSA followed procedures and called everyone and arrested the guy. The bomb disposal guys were probably like WTF.when they saw it.
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So is the head considered ammo? No powder, primer, or brass.
Like what if someone had 1 brass casing in their bag, due to using same bag as a range bag?
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I dont work TSA but im pretty sure they can see right thru the bullet and see that there is a payload. 50s all steel, not lead.
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So is the head bullet considered ammo? No powder, primer, or brass.
Like what if someone had 1 brass casing in their bag, due to using same bag as a range bag?
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So is the head considered ammo? No powder, primer, or brass.
Like what if someone had 1 brass casing in their bag, due to using same bag as a range bag?
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Empty shell casings are allowed in carry-on bag as long as the projectile is no
longer intact. They are allowed only if the primer has been removed or has been
discharged. If the projectile is attached & the powder has been drilled out, it is
considered a replica and not allowed in carry-on.
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/whatcanibring/all-list
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How much stupid can you cram into a local news story?
HNN: “Hold my beer…”
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How much stupid can you cram into a local news story?
HNN: “Hold my beer…”
I would say as much as the stupid populace will take.
And right now for the media the world's their oyster.
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heads
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they could've suspected it's one of these API rounds, but these wouldn't be intact after firing.
(https://i.imgur.com/801jIgC.png)
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they could've suspected it's one of these API rounds, but these wouldn't be intact after firing.
I suppose we should also call animal control when we dig up a dinosaur fossil. Just to be safe, of course.