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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: ren on December 11, 2023, 01:14:39 PM
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but when its fireworks its called amnesty.
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2023/12/11/hawaii-launch-fireworks-amnesty-program-ahead-busy-new-years-festivities/
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but when its fireworks its called amnesty.
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2023/12/11/hawaii-launch-fireworks-amnesty-program-ahead-busy-new-years-festivities/
Well, the difference is you get nothing in exchange for the fireworks -- other than no criminal charges for illegal fireworks.
Or are they "undocumented" fireworks? I can't keep all these changing terms straight!
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Will there be consequences if you don't take advantage of this amnesty program?
Yeah. I thought so.
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Well, the difference is you get nothing in exchange for the fireworks -- other than no criminal charges for illegal fireworks.
Or are they "undocumented" fireworks? I can't keep all these changing terms straight!
waycist indeed - not all fireworks came here illegally
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oh great! i assume these amesty drives will work and there will be no illegal fireworks this year. gonna be a quiet year this year.
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waycist indeed - not all fireworks came here illegally
The illegal ones did ... by definition.
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Will there be consequences if you don't take advantage of this amnesty program?
Yeah. I thought so.
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Lol! Then the amnesty program is lose money......... :rofl:
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I am amazed that fireworks have been made illegal. It doesn't seem like there is enough support if you look at how many fireworks go off on new years. Seems like a vocal minority. I wish they would put the issue on a ballot so we can actually get a representative decision on fireworks.
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I am amazed that fireworks have been made illegal. It doesn't seem like there is enough support if you look at how many fireworks go off on new years. Seems like a vocal minority. I wish they would put the issue on a ballot so we can actually get a representative decision on fireworks.
Where do you think you're living? Some kind of democracy?
Our elected representatives only represent their positions and those of their party and big donors. Public support is not a big factor. That should be obvious with the guns laws being passed with more opposition than support.
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Where do you think you're living? Some kind of democracy?
Our elected representatives only represent their positions and those of their party and big donors. Public support is not a big factor. That should be obvious with the guns laws being passed with more opposition than support.
Hence why I stated it should be on the ballot.
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Hence why I stated it should be on the ballot.
It's already on the books that the majority of fireworks are illegal, especially the annoying aerials.
Look how well it's being enforced.
What will a vote do differently?
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Who TF is gonna buy aerials just to turn it in 😂. I bet there is going to be some fake news on how successful this was. Hundreds of people turned in thousands of pounds of firework….
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Yay! its going to be a very quiet New Years 2023 :thumbsup: This is the perfect solution! I have full faith in our government and the the good natured people of Hawaii nei!
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Somebody spends $1000 on illegal aerial fireworks. Yeah, all of a sudden he gets a kumbaya moment and turns it in because it is wrong and illegal and a danger to his neighbors and the good people of Hawaii. Never mind that he just spent the family's milk money and won't get a dime back.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Not going work, braddah.
What will work is if the amnesty program also mentions that increased resources will be used to ramp up patrols and that a commitment will be made to prosecute those caught.
But that won't happen. Wouldn't surprise anyone that the ones setting off these illegal fireworks are connected to the ones making the rules here in the banana republik of hawaii. :shaka:
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Somebody spends $1000 on illegal aerial fireworks. Yeah, all of a sudden he gets a kumbaya moment and turns it in because it is wrong and illegal and a danger to his neighbors and the good people of Hawaii. Never mind that he just spent the family's milk money and won't get a dime back.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Not going work, braddah.
What will work is if the amnesty program also mentions that increased resources will be used to ramp up patrols and that a commitment will be made to prosecute those caught.
But that won't happen. Wouldn't surprise anyone that the ones setting off these illegal fireworks are connected to the ones making the rules here in the banana republik of hawaii. :shaka:
Hawaiian islands are like small towns on the mainland. You're either related to, went to school with, work/ed with, dated or know a good percentage of the population.
This kind of familiarity among the public and law enforcement interferes with the fair and equal application of the state's laws.
I bet there are cops sitting at home on New Year's Eve listening to their neighbors set off illegal fireworks -- or they are also setting them off (Cops get exemptions).
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HI has more important things to worry about, but yes, lets waste resources on this. Banana Republic.
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HI has more important things to worry about, but yes, lets waste resources on this. Banana Republic.
If you have pets and/or chronic breathing problems, it's worth the effort and resources.
If i thought this was an either/or proposition, then I would agree there are better things to tackle first.
The problem is, you have to assume the government is actually going to tackle those other problems at all.
Instead of either/or, it's more like neither/nor.
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It's already on the books that the majority of fireworks are illegal, especially the annoying aerials.
Look how well it's being enforced.
What will a vote do differently?
Remove the law is what I am hoping for. I have many fond memories of New Years celebrations.
Not complete removal, I don't think the very large aerial ones should be legal for average consumers, but the smaller ones like bottle rockets, firecrackers, etc.
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Who TF is gonna buy aerials just to turn it in 😂. I bet there is going to be some fake news on how successful this was. Hundreds of people turned in thousands of pounds of firework….
Maybe wives who are angry their husband spent thousands on fireworks?
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Remove the law is what I am hoping for. I have many fond memories of New Years celebrations.
Not complete removal, I don't think the very large aerial ones should be legal for average consumers, but the smaller ones like bottle rockets, firecrackers, etc.
That's a very emotional rationalization.
Not very objective, I would say.
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That's a very emotional rationalization.
Not very objective, I would say.
Nothing says my preferences for activities have to be objective. I like what I like, you like what you like and we can vote on that preference. Objectivity doesn't make an food taste better or worse
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Nothing says my preferences for activities have to be objective. I like what I like, you like what you like and we can vote on that preference. Objectivity doesn't make an food taste better or worse
Do you have something that says your opinions about other stuff have to be objective?
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so you are subjectively objective
got it, you are moving goalposts...
Nothing says my preferences for activities have to be objective. I like what I like, you like what you like and we can vote on that preference. Objectivity doesn't make an food taste better or worse
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so you are subjectively objective
got it, you are moving goalposts...
Dammit, no more F22's in stock as they're on hold due to Ukraine and Israel conflicts.
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so you are subjectively objective
got it, you are moving goalposts...
I am subjective about things in which objectivity is not applicable. Pineapple on pizza for example, there is no objective answer.
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I am subjective about things in which objectivity is not applicable. Pineapple on pizza for example, there is no objective answer.
Food preferences are not always a choice. There is the food you grew up eating which instilled biases and skewed opinions. There is the cost, which might mean you pretend to like the things you are forced to afford out of a lack of options. Then there is the physiological, where you might have allergies, problems tasting certain qualities that everyone else can, etc. So, no, there is an objective facet to food preferences.
But, that's totally beside the point. What you eat doesn't interfere with the quiet enjoyment of others around you.
Yours is a self-centered, narcissistic opinion.
Everyone eats, but not everyone lights fireworks and terrorizes dogs and cats while also causing breathing problems for some of us.
Basically, you are ignoring the objective facts because you want to side with the subjective desire to have fun.
Glad the rest of the world is not as "objective" as you are....
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Food preferences are not always a choice. There is the food you grew up eating which instilled biases and skewed opinions. There is the cost, which might mean you pretend to like the things you are forced to afford out of a lack of options. Then there is the physiological, where you might have allergies, problems tasting certain qualities that everyone else can, etc. So, no, there is an objective facet to food preferences.
But, that's totally beside the point. What you eat doesn't interfere with the quiet enjoyment of others around you.
Yours is a self-centered, narcissistic opinion.
Everyone eats, but not everyone lights fireworks and terrorizes dogs and cats while also causing breathing problems for some of us.
Basically, you are ignoring the objective facts because you want to side with the subjective desire to have fun.
Glad the rest of the world is not as "objective" as you are....
You are confusing two separate questions.
Do you want fireworks to be made legal? This is entirely a preference based question so any answer is inherently subjective.
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What are the reasons for and against fireworks being made legal? This is a question where objectivity is applicable because it requires one to look at all sides to understand.
My statement was a preference based response but you did a straw man, like you always do, and turned it into the second question and used that to criticize me. I don't even know why I am bothering to explain this to you when you have demonstrated you are always just looking to start an argument where none is necessary. If you disagreed, all you had to do is state that you think fireworks should remain illegal for reason X.
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You are confusing two separate questions.
Do you want fireworks to be made legal? This is entirely a preference based question so any answer is inherently subjective.
vs.
What are the reasons for and against fireworks being made legal? This is a question where objectivity is applicable because it requires one to look at all sides to understand.
My statement was a preference based response but you did a straw man, like you always do, and turned it into the second question and used that to criticize me. I don't even know why I am bothering to explain this to you when you have demonstrated you are always just looking to start an argument where none is necessary. If you disagreed, all you had to do is state that you think fireworks should remain illegal for reason X.
You love to twist words.
How you vote is, indeed, a "preference," but it's NOT as subjective as liking blue vs. yellow. Rather than use the correct word, "choice", you made it sound like it's nothing more than a like or dislike. The fireworks issue is far from that.
Fireworks have some very important OBJECTIVE points to consider -- and none of those involve individual likes and dislikes.
Stop being so transparent in your attempts to create a false narrative through word-smithing.
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You love to twist words.
How you vote is, indeed, a "preference," but it's NOT as subjective as liking blue vs. yellow. Rather than use the correct word, "choice", you made it sound like it's nothing more than a like or dislike. The fireworks issue is far from that.
Fireworks have some very important OBJECTIVE points to consider -- and none of those involve individual likes and dislikes.
Stop being so transparent in your attempts to create a false narrative through word-smithing.
The only twisting I do is untwisting things you have twisted.
Of course fireworks as a topic have many objective points but that isn't what I was talking about so I didn't address that. I stated only my preference. If you wanted a discussion on the pros and cons of fireworks just ask instead of playing these games.
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The only twisting I do is untwisting things you have twisted.
Of course fireworks as a topic have many objective points but that isn't what I was talking about so I didn't address that. I stated only my preference. If you wanted a discussion on the pros and cons of fireworks just ask instead of playing these games.
We can't have a discussion. All you do is look for some minor tangent to pounce on and derail the entire thread.
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We can't have a discussion. All you do is look for some minor tangent to pounce on and derail the entire thread.
This and don't forget about whataboutism and refusing to admit when wrong. Instead, doing more whataboutism, goal post moving, etc...
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stay quiet past couple days
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We can't have a discussion. All you do is look for some minor tangent to pounce on and derail the entire thread.
You just typed a very concise autobiography of your history on this website.
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