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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: stangzilla on January 05, 2024, 08:33:52 AM
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who do you know is approved by hpd as a firearm safety instructor and how much do they charge?
I'll update the OP as more are added.
these are what I know of so far:
HGS - $175
Kit N Gun - 180 without range fee
X-Ring - website says $250
Prime Sports
Young Guns
Rocky - $150 per class + $50 range fee. (range fee waived for active military and 1st responders)
BYO Ammo, No Reloads
$200 per class + $50 range fee if I supply ammo
Classes held on Saturdays but can also do groups on weekdays
Covered out door 15 yd range
BNR
post what you know of with the price. probably most of us will taking the class at some time. would be nice to have a list of places to go to and how much they charge
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prime sports
there's an approved member that i know, but i will let him/her announce it...
who do you know is approved by hpd as a firearm safety instructor and how much do they charge?
I'll update the OP as more are added.
these are what I know of so far:
HGS - don't know the price
Kit N Gun - don't know the price
X-Ring - website says $250
post what you know of with the price. probably most of us will taking the class at some time. would be nice to have a list of places to go to and how much they charge
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Rocky
Hawaii Safety Course
Hawaii License To Carry
Utah Concealed Firearm Permit (Finger prints included)
$150 per class + $50 range fee. (range fee waived for active military and 1st responders)
BYO Ammo, No Reloads
$200 per class + $50 range fee if I supply ammo
Classes held on Saturdays but can also do groups on weekdays
Covered out door 15 yd range
10 yrs Safety Instructor
9.5 yrs RSO
6 yrs Utah CFP Instructor
13 months Hawaii LTC Instructor
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excellent
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bnr tactical posted they got approved on IG
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I spoke to Kit the day he posted on his IG about being approved. He charges $200 for the CCW and $180 for the handgun safety class. This excludes any range fees.
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I spoke to Kit the day he posted on his IG about being approved. He charges $200 for the CCW and $180 for the handgun safety class. This excludes any range fees.
As instructors can now combine courses, I'd say both classes for $250 + range fee if any IF Qualified / Proficient (active military, LEO, DOD, Contractor, avid shooter for the past year or more, proof of training / classes etc...)
(I have hesitation providing LTC to someone who just purchased their first firearm last month or so and has fired it rarely if at all, much less drawing from concealed. )
Is it your right to bear arms ?
Yes, but is it my right to not provide a service to someone unable to perform competently and responsibly with the service I provide.
I have seen other LTC classes where it's the students 3rd or 4th time trying to pass the proficiency test on a 23'' x 45'' B-27E target AND FAIL again !
Not in the constitution but my Kids did not get a car till they could adequately drive in public.
I always envision being at the mall with an LTC carrier on the other side of the food court and an active shooter in between us. :shake:
JMHO
:popcorn:
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who do you know is approved by hpd as a firearm safety instructor and how much do they charge?
I'll update the OP as more are added.
these are what I know of so far:
HGS - don't know the price
Kit N Gun - 180 without range fee
X-Ring - website says $250
Prime Sports
Young Guns
Rocky - Currently $200 per class (previous students, family groups of 4 or more discounts available) +$50 range fee. (range fee waived for active military and 1st responders)
BNR
post what you know of with the price. probably most of us will taking the class at some time. would be nice to have a list of places to go to and how much they charge
HGS is $175 per. That’s include range. Bring your own firearm and ammo. Me and my son signed up the other day.
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Updated
Rocky
Hawaii Safety Course
Hawaii License To Carry
Utah Concealed Firearm Permit (Finger prints included)
$150 per class + $50 range fee. (range fee waived for active military and 1st responders)
BYO Ammo, No Reloads
$200 per class + $50 range fee if I supply ammo
Classes held on Saturdays but can also do groups on weekdays
Covered out door 15 yd range
10 yrs Safety Instructor
9.5 yrs RSO
6 yrs Utah CFP Instructor
13 months Hawaii LTC Instructor
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Since each county has their own set of rules, can the LTC class taken on Oahu be used to apply for a permit on Maui, Kauai and Hawaii Counties?
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is a dentist a "1st responder"?
Contrary to popular beliefs, dentist's are Drs and Drs make too much money for discount. :o
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heads
Contrary to popular beliefs, dentist's are Drs and Drs make too much money for discount. :o
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Contrary to popular beliefs, dentist's are Drs and Drs make too much money for discount. :o
Japan had a call for dentist to administer covid vaxxes cause never have enough real doctors. "Guys, we got the call" (like minor league going to majors)
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nope, sorry
Since each county has their own set of rules, can the LTC class taken on Oahu be used to apply for a permit on Maui, Kauai and Hawaii Counties?
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As instructors can now combine courses, I'd say both classes for $250 + range fee if any IF Qualified / Proficient (military, LEO, DOD, Contractor, avid shooter for the past year or more, proof of training / classes etc...)
(I have hesitation providing LTC to someone who just purchased their first firearm last month or so and has fired it rarely if at all, much less drawing from concealed. )
Is it your right to bear arms ?
Yes, but is it my right to not provide a service to someone unable to perform competently and responsibly with the service I provide.
I have seen other LTC classes where it's the students 3rd or 4th time trying to pass the proficiency test on a 23'' x 45'' B-27E target AND FAIL again !
Not in the constitution but my Kids did not get a car till they could adequately drive in public.
I always envision being at the mall with an LTC carrier on the other side of the food court and an active shooter in between us. :shake:
JMHO
:popcorn:
Does former military fall under military as well?
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Does former military fall under military as well?
Sorry Q.
As posted in update
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=52277.msg470849#msg470849
Active military.
Corrected post you referred to.
Glad to see your still around !
:wave:
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Sorry Q.
As posted in update
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=52277.msg470849#msg470849
Active military.
Corrected post you referred to.
Glad to see your still around !
:wave:
Thanks Rock. Glad all is well with you as well.
I should have been more specific. I was actually referencing the experiential component, not the range fee.
And if that still doesn't count, what kind of plate lunch can be substituted in place of acceptable range experience? :rofl:
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No wonder this bill faced little resistance - we eat our own. Ridiculous prices. What a crock of shit we created for ourselves.
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No wonder this bill faced little resistance - we eat our own. Ridiculous prices. What a crock of shit we created for ourselves.
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I'm pretty sure this legislation faced little resistance because of the method by which it was introduced.
It looked like Pearl Harbor.
I looked back at the messages on this forum and at news reports when this was being formed and could not find any publicity or yellow flags.
Correct me if I'm wrong. I just did a quick search.
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Thanks Rock. Glad all is well with you as well.
I should have been more specific. I was actually referencing the experiential component, not the range fee.
And if that still doesn't count, what kind of plate lunch can be substituted in place of acceptable range experience? :rofl:
You're being former military and also having your verifiable range time/ experience would make you "Qualified / Proficient"
PLATE LUNCH OPTIONAL :rofl:
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What this bill created was another layer of infringement to exercise our 2a rights. Another layer of gatekeepers. Pay to play. A cottage industry within our own community. Certified this and that BS. I don't see how this "range fee" is applicable since I see those instructors using a no fee (free) CIty maintained public range.
This is the slow death to 2a rights in Hawaii. I'm out. Life is too short to deal with this BS even if it is written on some paper that we're SUPPOSED to uphold. Shit don't work if the system doesn't recognize it.
Here's to that "list"
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"certified" is not new, it just replaces "NRA trained"
i know rocky does not use the public range...
What this bill created was another layer of infringement to exercise our 2a rights. Another layer of gatekeepers. Pay to play. A cottage industry within our own community. Certified this and that BS. I don't see how this "range fee" is applicable since I see those instructors using a no fee (free) CIty maintained public range.
This is the slow death to 2a rights in Hawaii. I'm out. Life is too short to deal with this BS even if it is written on some paper that we're SUPPOSED to uphold. Shit don't work if the system doesn't recognize it.
Here's to that "list"
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Senior citizens, the most vulnerable in our society for these puke predators, will be hard pressed to keep up with the "fees".
It just shows how f*cked up things have become in the name of trying to eliminate firearms in society.
All our government is doing is increasing the chances of the criminal element to safely do their dastardly deeds.
Total disregard and total violation of our 2nd amendment rights.
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"certified" is not new, it just replaces "NRA trained"
i know rocky does not use the public range...
I do not retain the range fee, it goes to land owner who is kind enough to allow myself and select others to utilize his property at his risk.
Don't know how you "see those instructors using a no fee (free) CIty maintained public range." as you cannot do the proficiency test at the "public range"
No holster work, no shooting at distances required for LTC Proficiency test, no silhouette targets.
Most instructors I know, including myself have spent countless hours and $1,000's for training, classes to acquire certification, re-certification, travel, ammo, printing, notarization and more to help others get the knowledge and training necessary for safe firearm handling and to comply with various state laws.
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I do not retain the range fee, it goes to land owner who is kind enough to allow myself and select others to utilize his property at his risk.
Don't know how you "see those instructors using a no fee (free) CIty maintained public range." as you cannot do the proficiency test at the "public range"
No holster work, no shooting at distances required for LTC Proficiency test, no silhouette targets.
Most instructors I know, including myself have spent countless hours and $1,000's for training, classes to acquire certification, re-certification, travel, ammo, printing, notarization and more to help others get the knowledge and training necessary for safe firearm handling and to comply with various state laws.
Those points prove my point of establishing this additional layer of gatekeeping to a right. Again, an unnecessary cottage industry like many here in Hawaii. We are short sighted. Want to drive? OK you need to pay $600 to learn how to drive from a "certified" driving instructor. "OK shoots, anything so I can drive my 200tree Toyota Tacoma"...Need to build a house? Housing is a RIGHT! You need a permit from the City DPP...and we all know how that turned out...
If firearms safety is such a concern why do we have to pay $1,000s for such "education"? The NRA was the foundational organization for such education. With the corruption at the NRA we can see what happened to these programs.
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"certified" is not new, it just replaces "NRA trained"
i know rocky does not use the public range...
The bill took away the credentialing authority from the NRA and gave it to the HPD.
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The bill took away the credentialing authority from the NRA and gave it to the HPD.
Right. And who the f*ck is HPD? An LE agency that left a rifle unattended......... :rofl:
Oh yeah. And still no result of the investigation they said would be revealed within 90 days.
At least the NRA is stellar when it comes to gun safety and responsible ownership. Although the leadership is as corrupt as hell.
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What's the criteria for being on this list of approved instructors?
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What's the criteria for being on this list of approved instructors?
Blow logan is 1 way
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it's outlined in the chief's rules
basically, you need to have instructor creds (nra ok) and also talk about mental health/suicide and gun storage
videos are ok
What's the criteria for being on this list of approved instructors?
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Those points prove my point of establishing this additional layer of gatekeeping to a right. Again, an unnecessary cottage industry like many here in Hawaii. We are short sighted. Want to drive? OK you need to pay $600 to learn how to drive from a "certified" driving instructor. "OK shoots, anything so I can drive my 200tree Toyota Tacoma"...Need to build a house? Housing is a RIGHT! You need a permit from the City DPP...and we all know how that turned out...
If firearms safety is such a concern why do we have to pay $1,000s for such "education"? The NRA was the foundational organization for such education. With the corruption at the NRA we can see what happened to these programs.
If this is so triggering for you, why not just carry your gun without a permit and tell everyone that you don't comply with unconstitutional laws instead of complaining about Rocky's prices.
Better yet, go get approved by HPD and offer the class for free.
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The bill took away the credentialing authority from the NRA and gave it to the HPD.
The HPD fire arm instructors are NRA trained, but NRA training is not good enough for the public.
As Alanis Morissette would say: "Isn't it Ironic?" More like moronic.
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If this is so triggering for you, why not just carry your gun without a permit and tell everyone that you don't comply with unconstitutional laws instead of complaining about Rocky's prices.
I wasn't referring to LTC. I don't believe in it. I wouldn't carry. I believe in running away and calling 911 for the report later. I can't shoot defensively to save my life. I run about 12 miles a week.
Better yet, go get approved by HPD and offer the class for free.
in regards to a PTA req., sure thing - working on that. Spoken to an NRA instructor about getting "certified".
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I don't believe anyone is disparaging what any specific trainer is charging.
Before COVID, the hunter's ed class was free, was funded through our tax dollars, qualified the student for hunting privileges/permits and satisfied the state's training requirement for both long gun and handgun Permits to Acquire. No cost other than the time to take the class.
When COVID forced the state to add online hunter's ed training, which became the only method for that course, they added a service fee to pay for the online course development and maintenance. It's no longer free, but still very affordable for almost everyone.
With the proposed new rules, all the free/cheap options are gone with one exception. If you can prove your income is below 200% of the official federal poverty level (showing you are using SNAP/EBT is one way), HPD will waive the LTC application fee. You still have to pay for the training/certification test, though.
[(11)] ( 8 ) A non-refundable fee of [$10.00,] $150.00, or, if higher, the
maximum amount permitted by state law for the License and any
background check or other processing fees. An applicant may
request a waiver of some or all of this fee based on financial
hardship. The applicant has the burden to demonstrate financial
hardship and shall provide documents to support the request. The
applicant shall also provide any documents reasonably requested
by the Honolulu Police Department to verify the request. An
applicant’s receipt of government assistance provided to
individuals or families at or below 200% of the federal poverty
level, such as SNAP or TANF, shall be prima facie evidence of
financial hardship.
So, it's not about what any training instructor/company charges. It's about the fact the state is forcing the applicant to pay that on top of an application fee that increased from $10 to $150 or more.
And that handgun safety affidavit you always took to HPD to apply for a permit? Might as well use it for toilet paper for all it's worth now -- money down the toilet. Gotta go get the new and improved firearm training whether or not you plan on applying for a carry license. Add that to the state's list of firearm process "upgrades."
JMHO
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Don't forget that if the state takes longer than 120 days, your $150 is not refunded. Same goes if you get denied.
I was told that HE was offered when the handgun safety class was required as a free alternative, so the state doesn't get sued. This is when you first needed this. The "compromise" was this or all handguns would be banned in HI. Now it seems like they should have banned all handguns, cause they would have lost in court. But no one knows for how long. I was told this by someone who's very active in the legislative and 2a rights.
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If this is so triggering for you, why not just carry your gun without a permit and tell everyone that you don't comply with unconstitutional laws instead of complaining about Rocky's prices.
Better yet, go get approved by HPD and offer the class for free.
Well look who the cat dragged in. Must be a sign of the apocalypse. Welcome back.
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Ill pay an approved firearms instructer $50 to run me through the new modules and issue me a new updated affadavit. pm me to schedule an appointment. :shaka:
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lul...
Ill pay an approved firearms instructer $50 to run me through the new modules and issue me a new updated affadavit. pm me to schedule an appointment. :shaka:
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lul...
lul
Dutch word for...ahem...penis. :crazy:
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well, we all know who used that, so it fits...
lul
Dutch word for...ahem...penis. :crazy:
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bruh...
well, we all know who used that, so it fits...
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Kit n Gun approves of the new requirements. I wont be shopping there.
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Kit n Gun approves of the new requirements. I wont be shopping there.
Kitten Gun?
Greg?
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=47360.msg442508#msg442508
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Kit n Gun approves of the new requirements. I wont be shopping there.
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do you have a timestamp of his testimony? sorry im super lazy today
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Kitten Gun?
Greg?
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=47360.msg442508#msg442508
try again....
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https://www.facebook.com/reel/902313644902784
do you have a timestamp of his testimony? sorry im super lazy today
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these instructors that side with HPD, FU 🖕
thank HPD for infringing on our rights is totally F'd up IMO
if some people need more training, then get more training. don't mess it up for the rest of us that handle firearms safely and correctly
Kit and Gun, go back to cooking, you faka! 🖕
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these instructors that side with HPD, FU 🖕
thank HPD for infringing on our rights is totally F'd up IMO
if some people need more training, then get more training. don't mess it up for the rest of us that handle firearms safely and correctly
Kit and Gun, go back to cooking, you faka! 🖕
NO MSG IN AMMO!
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So, someone who was certified to teach the new courses early in the timeline
is now stroking the collective ego of those who granted him that early certification?
No surprise.
I've seen many gun store owners/employees post here that they have to be careful
how pro-2A they demonstrate publicly, since the Police Chief can find a reason to shut
them down or make life hell if they wanted.
There are probably some who welcome state-mandated training ...
so the trainers have a never-ending source of revenue.
Think about how many people already paid for the previous handgun safety course
and now must pay again.
Repeat customers....
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So, someone who was certified to teach the new courses early in the timeline
is now stroking the collective ego of those who granted him that early certification?
No surprise.
I've seen many gun store owners/employees post here that they have to be careful
how pro-2A they demonstrate publicly, since the Police Chief can find a reason to shut
them down or make life hell if they wanted.
There are probably some who welcome state-mandated training ...
so the trainers have a never-ending source of revenue.
Think about how many people already paid for the previous handgun safety course
and now must pay again.
Repeat customers....
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Maybe I am paranoid, but weaponizing government agencies seems to be a fad nowadays.
Correction...
Looking back at history, weaponizing government agencies has always been a favorite tactic.
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Maybe I am paranoid, but weaponizing government agencies seems to be a fad nowadays.
Correction...
Looking back at history, weaponizing government agencies has always been a favorite tactic.
As long as there have been governments, there has been corruption.
Power corrupts, etc, etc....