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General Topics => Political Discussion => Topic started by: oldfart on January 09, 2024, 11:20:47 PM

Title: The Next Issue-ammo?
Post by: oldfart on January 09, 2024, 11:20:47 PM
My cousin sent me this message:
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Washington Democrats opened the 2024 legislative session with another assault on gun rights.
 This time they hope to reclassify ammunition as a “privilege” —
one that should be subject to an onerous tax because the one thing they love more than taking away guns is taking away your money.
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https://mynorthwest.com/3945835/rantz-wa-democrats-deem-ammo-privilege-ammunition-tax-way-end-gun-rights/?fbclid=IwAR0uuWJozhQgToT4EJQE5WbHf2weh-abA1FZFHC7VXE5Pie2dupVhxFKqBM
Title: Re: The Next Issue-ammo?
Post by: QUIETShooter on January 10, 2024, 05:41:59 AM
My cousin sent me this message:
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Washington Democrats opened the 2024 legislative session with another assault on gun rights.
 This time they hope to reclassify ammunition as a “privilege” —
one that should be subject to an onerous tax because the one thing they love more than taking away guns is taking away your money.
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https://mynorthwest.com/3945835/rantz-wa-democrats-deem-ammo-privilege-ammunition-tax-way-end-gun-rights/?fbclid=IwAR0uuWJozhQgToT4EJQE5WbHf2weh-abA1FZFHC7VXE5Pie2dupVhxFKqBM

And the war continues.  Can't take away guns?  Go after the ammo.  Can't go after either, go after their rights.

After all, there are countless clueless, socialist loving, bleating sheeple to go around and support it.  The oath of office and the Constitution means nothing to them.  All of it is open game.
Title: Re: The Next Issue-ammo?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on January 10, 2024, 06:22:25 AM
Many states and other jurisdictions, including HI and DC, treat ammunition in a similar legal fashion as firearms.  e.g. If a felon is caught with live ammo, they are treated as having a firearm.  There's a recent Maryland case where police searched a man's home for illegal weapons and charged him for having shotgun shells.

The same restrictions for firearms sales -- state residency, age limits, prohibited persons, etc. -- apply to ammunition in these states/DC.

https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state-laws/ammunition-regulation-in-maryland/

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Six states have enacted laws regulating ammunition sales and requiring purchasers
to pass a background check in order to buy ammunition. Two states, California and
New York, have passed laws requiring point-of-sale background checks on ammunition
purchasers, in a manner similar to background checks conducted on firearm
purchasers (although New York’s has not yet gone into effect). Four other states
(Connecticut, Illinois, Massachusetts, and New Jersey) require individuals to obtain
a relevant license or permit, after passing a background check, in order to purchase
or possess at least some types of ammunition.

Some other states restrict access to ammunition by people who are legally disqualified
based on their age, criminal history, or other factors, or require certain safety training to
qualify to purchase ammunition.
https://giffords.org/lawcenter/gun-laws/policy-areas/hardware-ammunition/ammunition-regulation/

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/HRS_0134-0027.htm

By treating ammunition the same as firearms, those state and local governments are asserting that the two are essentially the same in terms of public safety.

That treatment of ammunition in order to legislatively control the use of firearms proves that ammunition must be afforded the same 2A protections as the protected arms that use it.  If it walks like a duck ....

They can't apply the same limitations and restrictions on ammo as they do firearms and then argue that the Constitution doesn't include ammo.  That's having your cake and eating it, too.

But, then, this would not be the first time lawmakers created contradictions in the law.
Title: Re: The Next Issue-ammo?
Post by: oldfart on January 10, 2024, 06:46:05 AM
That reminds me of an old HRA newsletter I have that said somebody got arrested after the gun show because of some loose rounds in the car.

I think it was about 30 years ago.
Title: Re: The Next Issue-ammo?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on January 10, 2024, 11:09:51 AM
Not to be outdone, Washington state (where free people establish their legal residence) has proposed a bill to create a new 11% tax for the "PRIVILEGE" of buying and using firearm ammunition.


https://youtu.be/XhEW0YsuxQ8
Title: Re: The Next Issue-ammo?
Post by: QUIETShooter on January 10, 2024, 11:33:40 AM
Not to be outdone, Washington state (where free people establish their legal residence) has proposed a bill to create a new 11% tax for the "PRIVILEGE" of buying and using firearm ammunition.


https://youtu.be/XhEW0YsuxQ8

Hawaii wouldn't do this.  It violates our rights according to the 2nd Amendment.  Hawaii would never do this.  Never.  Never.  Ever.




 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: The Next Issue-ammo?
Post by: oldfart on January 10, 2024, 12:57:39 PM
Do you think politicians would get upset if they saw a video of my baby girl helping me make 10mm ammo?
 :rofl:
Title: Re: The Next Issue-ammo?
Post by: Chrashd on January 10, 2024, 01:05:04 PM
Some dealers here keep records of ammo purchases. If they pass a tax law they can also make it retroactive. Put that down your barrel and smoke it!!! :wtf:
Title: Re: The Next Issue-ammo?
Post by: oldfart on January 10, 2024, 01:16:15 PM
Some dealers here keep records of ammo purchases. If they pass a tax law they can also make it retroactive. Put that down your barrel and smoke it!!! :wtf:
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Fyi, that used to be a federal requirement. The feds did away with that requirement as part of the paperwork reduction act.
Title: Re: The Next Issue-ammo?
Post by: groveler on January 10, 2024, 05:31:55 PM
Not to be outdone, Washington state (where free people establish their legal residence) has proposed a bill to create a new 11% tax for the "PRIVILEGE" of buying and using firearm ammunition.


https://youtu.be/XhEW0YsuxQ8
Yes they have. I can vote there.
I will bitch at my representatives about this.
I can also drive to Idaho and get what ever ammo I want.
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Next Issue-ammo?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on January 10, 2024, 07:20:56 PM
Yes they have. I can vote there.
I will bitch at my representatives about this.
I can also drive to Idaho and get what ever ammo I want.
 :thumbsup:

In NC, we had restrictions on fireworks, yet right across the SC border were fireworks stands and stores -- go figure.

Around major holidays, the NC State Highway Patrol would set up checkpoints and have cars where they can watch the stores.

If they saw a car or truck drive into SC, stop at one of the fireworks stands, then turn around and come back into NC, they'd stop the driver and give them a ticket for their crime and confiscate the illegal contraband.

I would not be surprised if traffic cams and checkpoints were set up between Washington and neighboring states to watch for "shoppers."

Often, just the presence of the checkpoints -- normally labeled DUI checkpoints to keep people celebrating the holiday safe -- would deter most from trying to sneak fireworks into the state.

I might be wrong, but it wouldn't shock me if they tried, at least in the first couple of years until they realize it's futile.
Title: Re: The Next Issue-ammo?
Post by: mrgaf on January 10, 2024, 09:23:50 PM
My cousin sent me this message:
==
Washington Democrats opened the 2024 legislative session with another assault on gun rights.
 This time they hope to reclassify ammunition as a “privilege” —
one that should be subject to an onerous tax because the one thing they love more than taking away guns is taking away your money.
===
https://mynorthwest.com/3945835/rantz-wa-democrats-deem-ammo-privilege-ammunition-tax-way-end-gun-rights/?fbclid=IwAR0uuWJozhQgToT4EJQE5WbHf2weh-abA1FZFHC7VXE5Pie2dupVhxFKqBM

Well we should give them all the ammo they want to take from us….after it’s been fired If ya know what I mean…. :thumbsup: >:D
Title: Re: The Next Issue-ammo?
Post by: macsak on January 10, 2024, 09:36:07 PM
good thing i don't own any...
Title: Re: The Next Issue-ammo?
Post by: hvybarrels on January 10, 2024, 09:48:17 PM
The chatter I'm hearing says that some sort of major disrupting event is planned for March. If that's true then this accelerated attack on 2a might be a way of preemptively cutting off the flow of arms to the public. It doesn't matter if they eventually lose in court. All they need are a few more months.
Title: Re: The Next Issue-ammo?
Post by: QUIETShooter on January 10, 2024, 09:52:30 PM
deese fackahs.......privilege?

LOL!  deese fackahs are a bunch of plicks.
Title: Re: The Next Issue-ammo?
Post by: eyeeatingfish on January 11, 2024, 01:40:17 AM
More big government prior restraint.... sad