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General Topics => Legal and Activism => Topic started by: changemyoil66 on February 09, 2024, 06:52:11 PM
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SB3196
THIS BANS SEMI AUTO RIFLES AND SHOTGUNS. ALSO BANS PARTS FOR ANY SEMI AUTO RIFLE. YOU ALSO CANNOT SEND THE RIFLE OUT OF STATE AND BRING IT BACK IN.
Testimony due by 2/13 @ 3pm (24hrs prior to the hearing).
What this means...if your rifle breaks, you cannot get any replacement parts to fix it. Nor can you take it out of state for repairs or events and have it brought back to Hawaii.
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=3196&year=2024
Click on the link. Sign in and click submit testomony.
Also anyone with a HI legal "assault pistol", the fixed mag cannot accept more than 10rds.
Call all your friends to let them know.
This is the big one this year.
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Submitted to those madafakaz
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I don't think it technically bans spare parts, but no gun parts vendor (e.g. Brownells, etc) in their right mind is going to sell you gun parts for a gun that's perceived as illegal. Just think how hard it is to get 30rd AR-15 mags right now, even though legal here, most gun parts vendors prefer to err on the side of being safe from legal liability just because the law is confusing, when you have to keep track of what's legal, what's not, in all 50 states. 10-rd mag limit for semi-auto rifles, but then you're not going to be able to buy any AR's in the future anyways.
SB3196 will also ban pistols with threaded barrels. Think compensators & brakes. Semi-auto pistols weighing more than 50 ounces will be banned: that encompasses Desert Eagles (XIX).
and it will also ban 50 cal Barrett M82s, M107s. It has a very very long laundry list of firearms that are banned specifically by name-or-model, and then banned by general features, just in case they missed any.
This is a bad one.
keep your submitted testimony handy, every time they revise it, you'll have to re-submit your testimony again. It is a PITA, but that's what they are counting in, "ainokea" and "ain't nobody got time for dat".
Karl Rhoads is going for broke, he's all-in on this one.
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I don't think it technically bans spare parts, but no gun parts vendor (e.g. Brownells, etc) in their right mind is going to sell you gun parts for a gun that's perceived as illegal. Just think how hard it is to get 30rd AR-15 mags right now, even though legal here, most gun parts vendors prefer to err on the side of being safe from legal liability just because the law is confusing, when you have to keep track of what's legal, what's not, in all 50 states. 10-rd mag limit for semi-auto rifles, but then you're not going to be able to buy any AR's in the future anyways.
SB3196 will also ban pistols with threaded barrels. Think compensators & brakes. Semi-auto pistols weighing more than 50 ounces will be banned: that encompasses Desert Eagles (XIX).
and it will also ban 50 cal Barrett M82s, M107s. It has a very very long laundry list of firearms that are banned specifically by name-or-model, and then banned by general features, just in case they missed any.
This is a bad one.
keep your submitted testimony handy, every time they revise it, you'll have to re-submit your testimony again. It is a PITA, but that's what they are counting in, "ainokea" and "ain't nobody got time for dat".
Karl Rhoads is going for broke, he's all-in on this one.
It does ban parts.
This is Wakais bill. Rhodes name isnt on this one.
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Of course I will submit testimony in opposition.
But this is so outrageous, could it be a diversion?
I'm just an old retired guy trying to live my happy life.
I am not a politician or lawyer.
But I have seen sneaky and disgusting political and legal crap in my life.
I know this because I was involved.
A friend of mine went into politics a few years ago and I told him to "watch your back."
About a year later he said, "I remembered what you said", and thanked me.
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If you go in person for this 3pm testimony how much earlier will you have to show up to the capital... I have class that starts at 430. Does even showing up on zoom help. Could I submit a zoom testimony and a written testimony.
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It does ban parts.
This is Wakais bill. Rhodes name isnt on this one.
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Rhoads is the secret author behind this bill
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Rhoads is the secret author behind this bill
Its based off the federal gun bill and we are seeing very similar bills in other states. Like how the sensitive places bill all had similar language.
The anti 2a movement is behind the bill. Wakai was given the bill by them.
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If you go in person for this 3pm testimony how much earlier will you have to show up to the capital... I have class that starts at 430. Does even showing up on zoom help. Could I submit a zoom testimony and a written testimony.
Yes, attending via zoom will help. I doubt this bill will be heard quickly. Prob looking at 3:45 at the soonest.
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Its based off the federal gun bill and we are seeing very similar bills in other states. Like how the sensitive places bill all had similar language.
The anti 2a movement is behind the bill. Wakai was given the bill by them.
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I think this is the situation here.
Biden is pushing the states to ban guns on a local level since this doesn't fly on a national level.
Of course, since he has control over federal dollars, that is his leverage.
Like I said earlier, politics is a dirty, ugly, disgusting business.
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Is there a HIFICO email list I can get on? I stay the hell away from social media because they are all owned by the same multinationals that wrote this bill.
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just to spell out a little more detail, this bill bans:
all AR-types (-15, -10) and anything that looks like an AR, like the HK's, POF's, SIG 516's, DD, etc.
FN FAL's
all AK-types
Tavors, Galils, HK91, HK93, etc.
a long list of semi-auto shotguns, like Saigas, etc.
and a whole lot more, identified by name and model, or type.
if it's semi-auto, it's probably on the list, go check it yourself. also pistols.
some of the items listed as new additions are already illegal here in HI, so obviously the text of this bill was cut and pasted from some mainland organizations anti-2A template.
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Banning magazines with capacities of more than 10 rounds does nothing to address the real issues of crime in Hawaii and is only trying to fix a problem that doesn’t exist. Banning larger-capacity ammunition magazines won’t reduce the number of shootings, any more than banning alcohol reduced alcohol-related fatalities.
I urge you to oppose this measure and to work to repeal the current nonsense law of pistol magazine restrictions for the safety and welfare of Hawaii residents.
law "burdens the core of the Second Amendment by criminalizing the acquisition and possession of these magazines that are commonly held by law-abiding citizens for defense of self, home, and state."
Law abiding gun owners in Hawaii are left more susceptible to harm or death by being limited in their means of self-defense, criminals who are intent on doing harm will not follow this same law.
Magazines that hold more than 10 rounds are considered standard and that many firearms are not available with magazines that hold fewer than 10 rounds. This law does nothing more than penalize law-abiding citizens while criminalizing components of handguns they own that were previously legal.
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Is there a HIFICO email list I can get on? I stay the hell away from social media because they are all owned by the same multinationals that wrote this bill.
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social media is useful for actual socializing and advertising up to a point
beyond that it's just BS
When social media started, I had coworkers distracted while I had to catch all their mistakes.
So I never did social media until after I retired.
Now I'm finding out about all the people I knew who died.
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FYI all semiauto rifles with a detachable magazine will be banned.
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The bill is actually kind of simple and there's nothing good in it.
Instead of talking about the bill, what is more important is what are all of the things you're going to do to stop it, besides giving testimony yourself.
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I printed out some handouts to pass out at the range but I won't get there until after noon.
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The bill is actually kind of simple and there's nothing good in it.
Instead of talking about the bill, what is more important is what are all of the things you're going to do to stop it, besides giving testimony yourself.
I think this is an excellent idea. However, I'm quite naive as to how to go about it. Should I just state things like supporting groups who will actively oppose the legislation in court? Talking to my friends, co-workers to get them involved? Contacting my representatives personally?
Are these credible things to include in the testimony or is there other things that can be included.
I was thinking stating that banning essentially all semi-autos with detachable magazines as discriminatory. And that the problem is criminals getting ahold of these firearms because they do not follow laws. I was thinking suggesting apply all their (politicians) energies, ideas, and resources to curtailing that problem instead of enacting laws that affect law-abiding citizens. Would this be a sensible argument against the ban of these weapons?
Whatever happens, I do plan to submit testimony. But yeah, it looks like a national effort spearheaded by the biden (the retarded administration) to their kiss ass states that follow lockstep to this agenda with their noses so far up biden's and the demorat's ass. Oh, and with their purses and wallets wide open.
Thanks for the suggestions.
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I think this is an excellent idea. However, I'm quite naive as to how to go about it. Should I just state things like supporting groups who will actively oppose the legislation in court? Talking to my friends, co-workers to get them involved? Contacting my representatives personally?
Are these credible things to include in the testimony or is there other things that can be included.
I was thinking stating that banning essentially all semi-autos with detachable magazines as discriminatory. And that the problem is criminals getting ahold of these firearms because they do not follow laws. I was thinking suggesting apply all their (politicians) energies, ideas, and resources to curtailing that problem instead of enacting laws that affect law-abiding citizens. Would this be a sensible argument against the ban of these weapons?
Whatever happens, I do plan to submit testimony. But yeah, it looks like a national effort spearheaded by the biden (the retarded administration) to their kiss ass states that follow lockstep to this agenda with their noses so far up biden's and the demorat's ass. Oh, and with their purses and wallets wide open.
Thanks for the suggestions.
Do all of this.
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I printed out some handouts to pass out at the range but I won't get there until after noon.
Awesome. Look at what people are shooting and if its a semi auto rifle or pistol with a threaded barrel, let them know.
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Another thing to do is get gun stores to oppose the legislation and have their customers do the same.
I tell gun stores to do it, and very few do. It helps when a lot of customers demand it.
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Another thing to do is get gun stores to oppose the legislation and have their customers do the same.
I tell gun stores to do it, and very few do. It helps when a lot of customers demand it.
It would be nice if you could drop a stack of small flyers on them telling them how to give testimony or how to get in touch with HIFICO
Maybe leave a blank spot for new legislation deadlines so you can change it as needed. I'd help drop some off.
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Another thing to do is get gun stores to oppose the legislation and have their customers do the same.
I tell gun stores to do it, and very few do. It helps when a lot of customers demand it.
I refuse to shop anywhere that doesnt help the cause.
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What about that guy, the one who advertises with pretty girls that sport flat triggers.
Is he going to testify? In person? I like watch him again. :geekdanc: ;D
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What about that guy, the one who advertises with pretty girls that sport flat triggers.
Is he going to testify? In person? I like watch him again. :geekdanc: ;D
I wonder who he will side with. Cause these are being banned due to public safety.
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Submitted email testimony and also emailed my Senator about this bill.
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Awesome. Look at what people are shooting and if its a semi auto rifle or pistol with a threaded barrel, let them know.
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That's exactly what I did. About 80% had no idea what was going on. In my email testimony I scolded them for wasting my time and money on this legislation.
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That's exactly what I did. About 80% had no idea what was going on. In my email testimony I scolded them for wasting my time and money on this legislation.
But youre retired. JK.
Ita good u hit up the range. When we did the mag ban a few years ago, about 60 testimonies from a few hours on 1 day alone. Most had no clue and were pissed off about it.
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Submitted email testimony and also emailed my Senator about this bill.
I plan to do the same as you. So far I e-mailed my senator while I'm still working on the wording for my testimony.
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Under this proposed asinine law, are current firearms grandfathered in or is this a sweeping ban on all current registered firearms that meet the outlined criteria? I read the entire proposed amendment but it wasn’t really clear to me. Thanks!
The language looks similar to the verbiage in the 1994 federal assault weapon ban. Looks like Biden and his administration is pressuring the states to push this crap at the state level. BTW…just seen this mentioned on Fox News by Joey Jones as he stated Hawaii is attempting to go against the federal ruling and US Constitution by banning virtually all firearms. Was his one bad thing of the week topic.
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Under this proposed asinine law, are current firearms grandfathered in or is this a sweeping ban on all current registered firearms that meet the outlined criteria? I read the entire proposed amendment but it wasn’t really clear to me. Thanks!
The language looks similar to the verbiage in the 1994 federal assault weapon ban. Looks like Biden and his administration is pressuring the states to push this crap at the state level. BTW…just seen this mentioned on Fox News by Joey Jones as he stated Hawaii is attempting to go against the federal ruling and US Constitution by banning virtually all firearms. Was his one bad thing of the week topic.
There is a grandfather clause. But this applies to accessories as well.
So u cannot buy new parts or have them mailed to you from out of state or given from a friend in HI.
Once this passes, they can always remove the grandfather section when they want too later.
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New to submitting testimony, what do you normally write in it.
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don't forget to enter "support" or "oppose" in the beginning
then write how it personally affects you...
New to submitting testimony, what do you normally write in it.
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don't forget to enter "support" or "oppose" in the beginning
then write how it personally affects you...
Submitted, thanks
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New to submitting testimony, what do you normally write in it.
Write how this affects u, besides the obvious unconstitutional.
This is for all bills.
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I guess we know who’s side the media is on now…
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2024/02/11/2-men-arrested-after-firing-semi-automatic-firearm-man-car/
Oh no! Not the dreaded Semi Automatic!
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I guess we know who’s side the media is on now…
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2024/02/11/2-men-arrested-after-firing-semi-automatic-firearm-man-car/
Oh no! Not the dreaded Semi Automatic!
Oh, I figure it won't stop there. Sometime in the near future:
Men arrested for firing lever action firearm at man in car.
Then:
Men arrested for firing bolt action firearm at man in car.
Then:
Men arrested for firing revolver at man in car.
Then:
Men arrested for firing single shot firearm at man in car.
Then:
Men arrested for throwing rocks at man in car.
Then:
Men arrested........fill in blank.
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I guess we know who’s side the media is on now…
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2024/02/11/2-men-arrested-after-firing-semi-automatic-firearm-man-car/
Oh no! Not the dreaded Semi Automatic!
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Don't assume too much. The Star Advertiser had the same story word for word. So it looks like SA and HNN just passed along a generic press release from....guess who?
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Don't assume too much. The Star Advertiser had the same story word for word. So it looks like SA and HNN just passed along a generic press release from....guess who?
Yeah that makes sense. HNN decided to put it in the headline though.
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Yeah that makes sense. HNN decided to put it in the headline though.
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Slow news day.
BTW, notice the wording of the press release to make it ambiguous. The weapon might have been a pistol, rifle or shotgun. I'm guessing hpd wanted to mentally associate this incident with the gun ban hearing on Wednesday.
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Airsofters are getting involved.
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Testimony submitted, and emailed my senator. I’ll try to give her a call before Wednesday.
Gotta say, this one’s got me a little worried…
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Another thing to do is get gun stores to oppose the legislation and have their customers do the same.
I tell gun stores to do it, and very few do. It helps when a lot of customers demand it.
I wonder if there is a fear of reprisals? Like maybe they will get audited or something..
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I wonder if there is a fear of reprisals? Like maybe they will get audited or something..
Are you saying that HPD would punish gun stores for exercising not only their 2A right, but their 1A right? (Rhetorical).
But in all seriousness, yes. There was 1 gun store who mentioned this and despite the advice from his lawyer, spoke about it once. Then there's another popular gun store that has HPD contracts. So no bite the hand that feeds you. But even they posted about this bill. Which I haven't seen them post about any bill in the prior years.
But the time has come for gun stores to start helping the cause more.
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Couple details I noticed about this bill
Assault pistols under the new definition would be a complete ban. Currently owned pistols like the desert eagle (too heavy) would need to be discarded or confiscated. Threaded barrels need to be replaced.
Rifles meeting the AW definition cannot be used on public hunting lands.
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So what going happen to all these firearms if the legislation passes?
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So what going happen to all these firearms if the legislation passes?
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Anyone who didn't submit test will give them to those who did.
But on a serious note
=there is a grandfather clause, but this can be deleted in future legislature
=If your gun breaks, you're SOL as you cannot replace any buttstocks, pistol grips, handguards, foregrips, flash hiders, etc...These parts too are grandfathered in, but you cannot buy them online or at a store. Nor can anyone give them to you.
=There is no magazine grandfather clause
=You cannot lend your rifle to anyone as you must maintain possession as the registered owner
=If you're caught with a rifle mag greater than 10rds, because its a firearm misdemeanor, you now lose your 2A right for 20 years.
=All Hawaii compliant "assault pistols" will be illegal as there is no grandfather clause for this.
=Any pistol with a threaded barrel
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Submitted mine today, another FF from my station sent his in as well. I explained that I work 24 hr shifts and cannot rely on HPD to be our private security, also cited the justice system not seeming interested in keeping bad people locked up. If this goes through, I expect them to target airsoft, airguns, and 3d printers next.
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Submitted mine today, another FF from my station sent his in as well. I explained that I work 24 hr shifts and cannot rely on HPD to be our private security, also cited the justice system not seeming interested in keeping bad people locked up. If this goes through, I expect them to target airsoft, airguns, and 3d printers next.
Coconut wireless is the best way to spread the word.
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Submitted mine today, another FF from my station sent his in as well. I explained that I work 24 hr shifts and cannot rely on HPD to be our private security, also cited the justice system not seeming interested in keeping bad people locked up. If this goes through, I expect them to target airsoft, airguns, and 3d printers next.
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Thanks ambu, it was good seeing you again.
I hope you can submit testimony on SB2845 too. This bill is targeting the next generation.
If we lose the next gen, we will lose the 2A.
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I wonder if there is a fear of reprisals? Like maybe they will get audited or something..
Another issue is gun stores make honest mistakes on forms and registrations and deadlines. HPD lets it slide. If HPD went by the book with the gun stores, they would all be out of business.
It's like gun registrations. There's a lot of people that register guns late. Imagine if they threw all of them in jail by the book.
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Anyone who didn't submit test will give them to those who did.
But on a serious note
=there is a grandfather clause, but this can be deleted in future legislature
Oh. ok. Thought "they" was gonna round all the firearms up
=If your gun breaks, you're SOL as you cannot replace any buttstocks, pistol grips, handguards, foregrips, flash hiders, etc...These parts too are grandfathered in, but you cannot buy them online or at a store. Nor can anyone give them to you.
=There is no magazine grandfather clause
So are we supposed to turn them in? LOL to that.....
=You cannot lend your rifle to anyone as you must maintain possession as the registered owner
=If you're caught with a rifle mag greater than 10rds, because its a firearm misdemeanor, you now lose your 2A right for 20 years.
=All Hawaii compliant "assault pistols" will be illegal as there is no grandfather clause for this.
=Any pistol with a threaded barrel
wonder if this will be grandfathered.
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Thanks ambu, it was good seeing you again.
I hope you can submit testimony on SB2845 too. This bill is targeting the next generation.
If we lose the next gen, we will lose the 2A.
Thanks for bringing that one to my attention, will submit testimony there too.
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Thank you to the warriors at HIFCO for keeping an eye on this. These tactics of last minute hearings and bills are so scummy. They don’t want the public involved. Only the activists.
Lucky we have some who support and defend the constitution - the US one.
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submitted testimony for all the bills on 2/14
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So G17s, or Glocks in general, going to be prohibited because of the G18?
From the the bill:
Assault pistol means [a]
(1) A semiautomatic pistol that accepts a detachable
magazine and has one or more of the following
characteristics:
(F) It is a semiautomatic version of an automatic
firearm;
Definitions per HRS 134-1:
"Pistol" or "revolver" means any firearm of any shape with a barrel less than sixteen inches in length and capable of discharging loaded ammunition or any noxious gas.
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Submitted testimony and respectfully called the offices of relevant legislators:
Glenn Wakai: 808-586-8585
Brandon Elefante: 808-586-6230
Carol Fukunaga: 808-586-6460
Karl Rhoads: 808-586-6130
Brenton Awa: 808-586-6230
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Are you saying that HPD would punish gun stores for exercising not only their 2A right, but their 1A right? (Rhetorical).
But in all seriousness, yes. There was 1 gun store who mentioned this and despite the advice from his lawyer, spoke about it once. Then there's another popular gun store that has HPD contracts. So no bite the hand that feeds you. But even they posted about this bill. Which I haven't seen them post about any bill in the prior years.
But the time has come for gun stores to start helping the cause more.
HPD doesn't usually audit businesses. I was getting at the department of taxation.
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So G17s, or Glocks in general, going to be prohibited because of the G18?
From the the bill:
Assault pistol means [a]
(1) A semiautomatic pistol that accepts a detachable
magazine and has one or more of the following
characteristics:
(F) It is a semiautomatic version of an automatic
firearm;
Definitions per HRS 134-1:
"Pistol" or "revolver" means any firearm of any shape with a barrel less than sixteen inches in length and capable of discharging loaded ammunition or any noxious gas.
I don't think that would apply but I wouldn't be surprised if someone tried to interpret it that way.
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HPD doesn't usually audit businesses. I was getting at the department of taxation.
Or AFT.
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=Any pistol with a threaded barrel
wonder if this will be grandfathered
Threaded barrels would just have to be replaced or permanently modified. Like soldering over the threads.
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Banning all or most of the firearms we already own and prohibiting sale/transfer basically reduces their value to nothing. Grandfather clause or not, you will be immediately financially harmed. I wonder what the total number of registered semi-auto rifles are in the state, and what their value amounts to. Could a potential lawsuit based on this be a strong arguement for opposition to this bill?
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Banning all or most of the firearms we already own and prohibiting sale/transfer basically reduces their value to nothing. Grandfather clause or not, you will be immediately financially harmed. I wonder what the total number of registered semi-auto rifles are in the state, and what their value amounts to. Could a potential lawsuit based on this be a strong arguement for opposition to this bill?
I swag 75,000 to 150,000, hard to tell. It's very difficult to be awarded damages from the state for something like that. Maybe if there was a gun confiscation and they gave a $100 gift card for your $3000 rifle.
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Threaded barrels would just have to be replaced or permanently modified. Like soldering over the threads.
Seems that the assault weapons ban is mostly for centerfire weapons? Correct me if I'm wrong. So tired of trying to read and re-read that bullsh*t proposal and it's legalese jargon.
Would my Walther P-22 with threaded barrel be exempt? (.22 rimfire pistol).
Again, the assault weapons proposal gets me so riled up everytime I read it. Thanks to anyone who wants to answer my question.
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Seems that the assault weapons ban is mostly for centerfire weapons? Correct me if I'm wrong. So tired of trying to read and re-read that bullsh*t proposal and it's legalese jargon.
Would my Walther P-22 with threaded barrel be exempt? (.22 rimfire pistol).
Again, the assault weapons proposal gets me so riled up everytime I read it. Thanks to anyone who wants to answer my question.
the new definitions doesnt exempt rimfire pistols. I only found one section that exempts rimfire rifles with tube magazine.
so I think a 22 rimfire pistol with one single "assault" feature would be an assault pistol. so all pistols with threaded barrel would be an assault pistol.
edit: keep in mind they can and will make a lot of amendments to the bill so no telling where things could end up.
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Threaded barrels would just have to be replaced or permanently modified. Like soldering over the threads.
Any handgun with a threaded barrel will now be defined as an "assault pistol". There is no grandfather for these. The guys who made HI compliant "assault pistols" also have no grandfather clause.
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Banning all or most of the firearms we already own and prohibiting sale/transfer basically reduces their value to nothing. Grandfather clause or not, you will be immediately financially harmed. I wonder what the total number of registered semi-auto rifles are in the state, and what their value amounts to. Could a potential lawsuit based on this be a strong arguement for opposition to this bill?
Here is what we do know, there are 24 million semi auto rifles in the nation. This number was used in the 9th's hearing a few weeks ago. The judge then asked how many does CA have. Like this matters, because the constitution applies to all 50 states, not just 1. This is the type of judge that's going to make a ruling on AW's later. Either she's retarded or corrupt.
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Seems that the assault weapons ban is mostly for centerfire weapons? Correct me if I'm wrong. So tired of trying to read and re-read that bullsh*t proposal and it's legalese jargon.
Would my Walther P-22 with threaded barrel be exempt? (.22 rimfire pistol).
Again, the assault weapons proposal gets me so riled up everytime I read it. Thanks to anyone who wants to answer my question.
Some Ruger MK's come with a threaded barrel.
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Is there anything about comps on pistols? Or is it just threaded barrels only?
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Is there anything about comps on pistols? Or is it just threaded barrels only?
Nothing about a comp on a non-threaded barrel for a pistol. Not yet...If this bill passes, I would expect them to go after pistols in the next coming years.
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Forwarded notice to those on my email list. Also to my club's email address. Club sent out notice to all the members. Submitted testimony.
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the new definitions doesnt exempt rimfire pistols. I only found one section that exempts rimfire rifles with tube magazine.
so I think a 22 rimfire pistol with one single "assault" feature would be an assault pistol. so all pistols with threaded barrel would be an assault pistol.
edit: keep in mind they can and will make a lot of amendments to the bill so no telling where things could end up.
Thanks. I guess my Ruger 10/22 is on the chopping block also.
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This is the type of judge that's going to make a ruling on AW's later. Either she's retarded or corrupt.
Both.
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is there a way to see how many testimonies have been sent in so far like for/oppose, or we just have to wait till that day and then the numbers will be released?
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is there a way to see how many testimonies have been sent in so far like for/oppose, or we just have to wait till that day and then the numbers will be released?
Once the hearing takes place for the bill, it's usually uploaded. There have been a few times where it took some time longer for it to be uploaded. The state doesn't post the count like how C&C does. So you have to count it manually. I usually do this and post it here.
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Here is what we do know, there are 24 million semi auto rifles in the nation. This number was used in the 9th's hearing a few weeks ago. The judge then asked how many does CA have. Like this matters, because the constitution applies to all 50 states, not just 1. This is the type of judge that's going to make a ruling on AW's later. Either she's retarded or corrupt.
My testimony focused on common use and used the 24 mil number for AR-15 and aks. If averaged across the nation that's 100, 000 in Hawaii. Double that for all semi autos.
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My testimony focused on common use and used the 24 mil number for AR-15 and aks. If averaged across the nation that's 100, 000 in Hawaii. Double that for all semi autos.
Is my math right? If you average each firearm $1000 in present day value that's $300 million dollars in private property they are about to ban?
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Is my math right? If you average each firearm $1000 in present day value that's $300 million dollars in private property they are about to ban?
Lot of the rifles are cheaper stuff like stock ar15s and ruger 10/22s. I'd say over $100 million.
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I listened to the vote. I heard Senator Rhodes say the 3196 was basically about 50 cal rifles? Wtf? It’s more than that. He goes on to mention 60 and 100 round magazines. Hmmmm
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I listened to the vote. I heard Senator Rhodes say the 3196 was basically about 50 cal rifles? Wtf? It’s more than that. He goes on to mention 60 and 100 round magazines. Hmmmm
It's not a misunderstanding. He's a tyrant. We didn't push back against the lockdowns and now they are taking away our guns so they can go even harder next time.
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Recap for those who cannot watch the hearing.
Komrade Rhodes stated, this bill is balance between a knife and like a bomb. It draws the line on what people shouldn't own. No, that isn't correct. SCOTUS decided "in common use" draws the line. And with 24 million of these types of rifles in legal ownership in the USA, this is why SCOTUS ruled. Komrade Karl is acting like a dictator and so is their commitee. We don't listen to what the people want (majority of testimony was against the bill), instead we do what we feel is needed for our own reasons.
He also stated no one goes hunting with a 50 cal cause you would destroy the animal.
The committee skipped some testifiers due to "running out of time".
"The Veteran" was there and so was the "suicide" daughters mom who was on zoom.
I'll post the count later.
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Recap for those who cannot watch the hearing.
Komrade Rhodes stated, this bill is balance between a knife and like a bomb. It draws the line on what people shouldn't own. No, that isn't correct. SCOTUS decided "in common use" draws the line. And with 24 million of these types of rifles in legal ownership in the USA, this is why SCOTUS ruled. Komrade Karl is acting like a dictator and so is their commitee. We don't listen to what the people want (majority of testimony was against the bill), instead we do what we feel is needed for our own reasons.
He also stated no one goes hunting with a 50 cal cause you would destroy the animal.
The committee skipped some testifiers due to "running out of time".
"The Veteran" was there and so was the "suicide" daughters mom who was on zoom.
I'll post the count later.
From here on, how do we improve on how we can go against this? Cause this bill has to go through more hearings correct?
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"The Veteran" was there and so was the "suicide" daughters mom who was on zoom.
I didn't watch the video yet but heard "The Veteran" and his story about carrying an M4 and it made me wonder what his job actually was? If I had to guess it would probably be something involving psychological warfare. You could really hear the animosity coming out of his voice when he referred to our side.
So I looked up Chris Marvin Everytown since he is on their "advisory council" and found the Marvin Strategies website. It looks like a freelance marketing outfit, but who knows with all the trillions getting thrown around these days? His bio says he "served for seven years as a U.S. Army officer and Black Hawk helicopter pilot" and he was combat wounded but that's about it as far as details.
Anyway this was on their front page. Kinda creepy if you ask me. Also he's on a first name basis with legislators. He got a "thank you Chris" from Wakai at the end of his testimony.
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I did the best I could do to count, but looking at 1800+ pages was horrible and now i have a headache. +/- 1% error lol. This is what I got.
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessions/session2024/Testimony/SB3196_TESTIMONY_PSM_02-14-24_.PDF (https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessions/session2024/Testimony/SB3196_TESTIMONY_PSM_02-14-24_.PDF)
On Time Testimonies
105 in favor (348 in favor if you include the 243 generic generated ones. See below)
1087 opposing
Late Testimonies
6 in favor
112 opposing
1892 pages (granted some people wrote or submitted testimonies that were longer than 1 page.
pages 357-473 were testimonies from 2018 for SB2046.
pages 1289-1477 and 1525-1580 were all written exactly the same, 243 testimonies written exactly word for word, all in favor of SB3196 (kinda reminiscent of ballot harvesting "votes") Feels like someone made phone calls or asked people if they were against assault weapons, and if they said yes, someone filled out a testimony for them.
243 in favor testimonies in a row was written as follows.
"Dear Committee Members,
I'm urging you to protect Hawai'i residents like me from gun violence by voting to prohibit all assault weapons, including high-powered semi-automatic rifles that shoot over ten rounds. They're designed to kill as many people was possible, and there's no reason they should be in our communities. Please prohibit assault weapons.
John Doe
City, State, Zip"
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So I looked up Chris Marvin Everytown since he is on their "advisory council" and found the Marvin Strategies website. It looks like a freelance marketing outfit, but who knows with all the trillions getting thrown around these days? His bio says he "served for seven years as a U.S. Army officer and Black Hawk helicopter pilot" and he was combat wounded but that's about it as far as details.
This is the other firm Everytown hires for their local henchmen.
https://www.hawaiipublicpolicy.com/
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This is the other firm Everytown hires for their local henchmen.
https://www.hawaiipublicpolicy.com/
I don't think anybody would show up for their side if that Soros money wasn't getting splashed around.
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Common use means common use. Period. The state's "historic" activities are illegal. So if I have a "historic" record of crime, I can now get away with it?
A 2a case from CNMI establishes precedence that "assault weapon" bans are unconstitutional.
Not like this matters since local judges say constitutional law and protection doesn't cover Hawaii.
Karl Rhoads catfished my idiot loudmouth 2a supporter buddy into divulging his home address and other P.I.I. under the guise of helping him then took the info. Anyone want the emails and social media chat logs? Also, why does Rhoads supposedly live in Chinatown but do everything in "nicer" places like Manoa? It seems that N. Beretania condo he claims as residence is a lie.
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Common use means common use. Period. The state's "historic" activities are illegal. So if I have a "historic" record of crime, I can now get away with it?
A 2a case from CNMI establishes precedence that "assault weapon" bans are unconstitutional.
Not like this matters since local judges say constitutional law and protection doesn't cover Hawaii.
Karl Rhoads catfished my idiot loudmouth 2a supporter buddy into divulging his home address and other P.I.I. under the guise of helping him then took the info. Anyone want the emails and social media chat logs? Also, why does Rhoads supposedly live in Chinatown but do everything in "nicer" places like Manoa? It seems that N. Beretania condo he claims as residence is a lie.
Everything about Rhoads is a lie and sham. Why do we keep voting him back in?
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This isn’t the sort of dispute that we settle with legal arguments. All they understand is power
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From here on, how do we improve on how we can go against this? Cause this bill has to go through more hearings correct?
We have the best chance ever to kill the bill if it makes it to it's next commitee (JDC). Rhodes and Elefante are solid aye votes. Awa is a solid no vote. Gabbard is most likely a no vote. Buenaventure is the swing vote. SHe represents Puna and if people from there can contact her prior to the hearing to get her to vote no. Years ago, for her it was automatic to vote aye for anti 2a bills. Recent years, she's voted "aye with reservations", which is still an aye vote. But it's something. 1 bill she voted against it, it was the bill reducing lending a rifle from 15 days to like 3 days. She asked good questions relating to hunting and the bill. Which leads me to believe that hunters in Puna contacted her. She took a lot of time to ask HPD questions, which is not the normal. Asking HPD questions is normal, but she was talking for a while.
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I did the best I could do to count, but looking at 1800+ pages was horrible and now i have a headache. +/- 1% error lol. This is what I got.
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessions/session2024/Testimony/SB3196_TESTIMONY_PSM_02-14-24_.PDF (https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessions/session2024/Testimony/SB3196_TESTIMONY_PSM_02-14-24_.PDF)
On Time Testimonies
105 in favor (348 in favor if you include the 243 generic generated ones. See below)
1087 opposing
Late Testimonies
6 in favor
112 opposing
1892 pages (granted some people wrote or submitted testimonies that were longer than 1 page.
pages 357-473 were testimonies from 2018 for SB2046.
pages 1289-1477 and 1525-1580 were all written exactly the same, 243 testimonies written exactly word for word, all in favor of SB3196 (kinda reminiscent of ballot harvesting "votes") Feels like someone made phone calls or asked people if they were against assault weapons, and if they said yes, someone filled out a testimony for them.
243 in favor testimonies in a row was written as follows.
"Dear Committee Members,
I'm urging you to protect Hawai'i residents like me from gun violence by voting to prohibit all assault weapons, including high-powered semi-automatic rifles that shoot over ten rounds. They're designed to kill as many people was possible, and there's no reason they should be in our communities. Please prohibit assault weapons.
John Doe
City, State, Zip"
Thanks for the update.
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I did the best I could do to count, but looking at 1800+ pages was horrible and now i have a headache. +/- 1% error lol. This is what I got.
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessions/session2024/Testimony/SB3196_TESTIMONY_PSM_02-14-24_.PDF (https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessions/session2024/Testimony/SB3196_TESTIMONY_PSM_02-14-24_.PDF)
On Time Testimonies
105 in favor (348 in favor if you include the 243 generic generated ones. See below)
1087 opposing
Late Testimonies
6 in favor
112 opposing
1892 pages (granted some people wrote or submitted testimonies that were longer than 1 page.
pages 357-473 were testimonies from 2018 for SB2046.
pages 1289-1477 and 1525-1580 were all written exactly the same, 243 testimonies written exactly word for word, all in favor of SB3196 (kinda reminiscent of ballot harvesting "votes") Feels like someone made phone calls or asked people if they were against assault weapons, and if they said yes, someone filled out a testimony for them.
243 in favor testimonies in a row was written as follows.
"Dear Committee Members,
I'm urging you to protect Hawai'i residents like me from gun violence by voting to prohibit all assault weapons, including high-powered semi-automatic rifles that shoot over ten rounds. They're designed to kill as many people was possible, and there's no reason they should be in our communities. Please prohibit assault weapons.
John Doe
City, State, Zip"
@shoboshi thanks for doing the counting, much appreciated. :shaka:
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I'm only on page 1000 and notices a lot of women opposing the bill. Usually gun bills are like 95% men. This one seems like 60% men.
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I'm only on page 1000 and notices a lot of women opposing the bill. Usually gun bills are like 95% men. This one seems like 60% men.
Maybe more men are identifying as women now?
:geekdanc: :rofl:
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I'm only on page 1000 and notices a lot of women opposing the bill. Usually gun bills are like 95% men. This one seems like 60% men.
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those are women who don't have a man on valentines day...for whatever reason
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@shoboshi thanks for doing the counting, much appreciated. :shaka:
81 million votes!
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81 million votes!
81 million regrets. Too late now. Damage has been done. And in only 3 and a half years. Incredible.
Stupid is what stupid does. or did.
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With friends like this, who needs enemies.
(https://i.imgur.com/lClBHBI.jpg)
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RE: Hawaii Friends of Civil Rights
This group is primarily concerned with black civil rights and idolize Martin Luther King.
They see his assassination as a reason to ban guns....however----
King’s application for a concealed carry permit in Montgomery Alabama was famously denied by the local sheriff’s office.
He was deemed “unsuitable;” that is, he was a Black person who wanted to defend himself and his family from the violence of racism and white supremacy.
I hope somebody knows Amy Agbayani and tells her to rethink her stance.
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who dat?
With friends like this, who needs enemies.
(https://i.imgur.com/lClBHBI.jpg)
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RE: Hawaii Friends of Civil Rights
This group is primarily concerned with black civil rights and idolize Martin Luther King.
They see his assassination as a reason to ban guns....however----
King’s application for a concealed carry permit in Montgomery Alabama was famously denied by the local sheriff’s office.
He was deemed “unsuitable;” that is, he was a Black person who wanted to defend himself and his family from the violence of racism and white supremacy.
I hope somebody knows Amy Agbayani and tells her to rethink her stance.
Shes right, we dont need guns, the government will protect us and keep us safe, just like they did for MLK.
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With friends like this, who needs enemies.
(https://i.imgur.com/lClBHBI.jpg)
Has Amy figured out how the government plans to convince criminals that assault type weapons are dangerous and that Amy and her friends are living in fear for themselves and their children?
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Believing that the cops will take care of you no matter what is the ultimate in White Privilege
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need someone to testify on behalf of the most powerful union....Politicians center of gravity is their donors. They have a fake persona that is presented in election years but their real face is towards their donor list. Get on their list or influence it.
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Can someone give a link to the hearing video?
Sorry. I no focus.
Thank you in advance :shaka:
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Can someone give a link to the hearing video?
Sorry. I no focus.
Thank you in advance :shaka:
If you pull up the bill status page on the capitol website, the YouTube link is in the lower right corner of the page.
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Maybe more men are identifying as women now?
:geekdanc: :rofl:
(https://i.postimg.cc/XBZxv9yK/39169745-505407716549089-6325336218154303488-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XBZxv9yK)
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Forgive my ignorance. But, the way I read this bill it does not include any clause to exempt anyone that currently has a legally registered firearm that falls within the description that is proposed to be banned. Am I wrong?
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Forgive my ignorance. But, the way I read this bill it does not include any clause to exempt anyone that currently has a legally registered firearm that falls within the description that is proposed to be banned. Am I wrong?
The last part of the bill is the "grandfather".
But mags and HI compliant "assault pistols" are not grandfathered in. And there is no compensation for them either.
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and even if you are grandfathered, you cannot sell or transfer to family members...
The last part of the bill is the "grandfather".
But mags and HI compliant "assault pistols" are not grandfathered in. And there is no compensation for them either.
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and even if you are grandfathered, you cannot sell or transfer to family members...
If you move out of state can they go with you, and if you decide to sell them outside of the state can they be shipped or flown outside of the state?
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Thanks for the clarification.
I’ll continue on to the next round of testimony.
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need someone to testify on behalf of the most powerful union....Politicians center of gravity is their donors. They have a fake persona that is presented in election years but their real face is towards their donor list. Get on their list or influence it.
Look at the state disclosures for donations. Most of the donors benefit directly or supplementally from a disarmed populace
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I didn't watch the video yet but heard "The Veteran" and his story about carrying an M4 and it made me wonder what his job actually was? If I had to guess it would probably be something involving psychological warfare. You could really hear the animosity coming out of his voice when he referred to our side.
So I looked up Chris Marvin Everytown since he is on their "advisory council" and found the Marvin Strategies website. It looks like a freelance marketing outfit, but who knows with all the trillions getting thrown around these days? His bio says he "served for seven years as a U.S. Army officer and Black Hawk helicopter pilot" and he was combat wounded but that's about it as far as details.
Anyway this was on their front page. Kinda creepy if you ask me. Also he's on a first name basis with legislators. He got a "thank you Chris" from Wakai at the end of his testimony.
(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/55d782e5e4b071efe795851b/1563575761173-NP6O9ZQB6DUH7CTDTRD6/Screen+Shot+2019-07-19+at+12.35.31+PM.png?format=1500w)
Although I'm not attempting to diminish his service in a combat zone, his record, which he believes gives his opinion more validation over everyone else's, seems quite stretchy.
He was not combat wounded, as he was not a recipient of the purple heart. Having searched the database, I was unable to find any record of him receiving a purple heart, meaning that the helicopter crash that he constantly references was not due to enemy contact or engagement. In contrast, I was able to find every friend severely injured or KIA in seconds.
I see no indication that he was awarded the bronze with with combat valor distinction (the "V"), which is a major defining factor between the types of bronze stars awarded. You can get a bronze star without the V for meritorious service and achievement, which coincides with the other medals he publicly presents: the meritorious service medal and the air service medal. When your factor in that his aviation and military career ended after that crash, it become a little more apparent that his bronze likely has nothing to do with engaging enemies; especially engagement with an "M4".
And having served in the same combat zone, I can 99% guarantee he did not "carry his M4" in the same capacity that we did. He was a Blackhawk pilot, not a gunner, with even the latter having very little use for their primary weapon while on aerial missions. And Assuming he wasn't running dismounted missions while attached to infantry or SOC units, he likely never left his chopper outside the wire and likely only had to "carry his M4" while back on base, Camp or FOB.
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If you move out of state can they go with you, and if you decide to sell them outside of the state can they be shipped or flown outside of the state?
Yes. Assuming its not to CA or like places with similar laws.
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Yes. Assuming its not to CA or like places with similar laws.
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My boys are telling me to ship my stuff to my son who moved to Las Vegas.
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My boys are telling me to ship my stuff to my son who moved to Las Vegas.
Only ur mags or "assault pistols".
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Yes. Assuming its not to CA or like places with similar laws.
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Yea the wife and I are looking to either move to Vegas, or Texas still doing a bunch of learning of the two places. it's been in the works for a while now. But it's always hard to leave the island.
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Yea the wife and I are looking to either move to Vegas, or Texas still doing a bunch of learning of the two places. it's been in the works for a while now. But it's always hard to leave the island.
You might have to personally travel with all your firearms. The bill does not have an exemption for licensed dealers, at the moment. Just something to consider.
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Yea the wife and I are looking to either move to Vegas, or Texas still doing a bunch of learning of the two places. it's been in the works for a while now. But it's always hard to leave the island.
Vegas becomes unlivable if the price of energy spikes too much. Texas is on the front line of a border war with thousands of potential terrorists showing up every day. Oahu will turn into Cannibal Apocalypse Island if the boats stop running, but at least we don't need AC to survive or have to worry about freezing to death.
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Yea the wife and I are looking to either move to Vegas, or Texas still doing a bunch of learning of the two places. it's been in the works for a while now. But it's always hard to leave the island.
Read the vegas thread in off topic. Some good info there.
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Forgot to add that Komrade Karl asked this for a 2nd time
"A knife to a nuke/bomb, where do we draw the line? I think assault rifles is the line".
Heller and Cayatano SCOTUS ruling states otherwise. "in common use" is the line. Cayatano was about stun/tasers and 200,000 are in common use, thus protected by the 2a. There are 24,000,000 "assault rifles" in common use and more magazines.
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Forgot to add that Komrade Karl asked this for a 2nd time
"A knife to a nuke/bomb, where do we draw the line? I think assault rifles is the line".
Heller and Cayatano SCOTUS ruling states otherwise. "in common use" is the line. Cayatano was about stun/tasers and 200,000 are in common use, thus protected by the 2a. There are 24,000,000 "assault rifles" in common use and more magazines.
The standard is any arm which an infantry member might carry into combat.
I don't know many units issuing nukes to the infantry. Those would be one-time deals -- guaranteed suicide for the soldier and any unit members close to him. Nukes are not defensive weapons unless used at a very long distance against other WMDs.
The line was already drawn, and they included "weapons of war."
But that was the Heler decision prescribed by SCOTUS, and we now know their opinions don't count in the land of Aloha. :wtf:
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Look at the state disclosures for donations. Most of the donors benefit directly or supplementally from a disarmed populace
Where can I find this?
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Where can I find this?
https://ags.hawaii.gov/campaign/cc/view-searchable-data/ (https://ags.hawaii.gov/campaign/cc/view-searchable-data/)
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The standard is any arm which an infantry member might carry into combat.
The line was already drawn, and they included "weapons of war."
Don't forget, a bolt action rifle with a scope on it can be called a "weapon of war" :shake: :shake:
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Don't forget, a bolt action rifle with a scope on it can be called a "weapon of war" :shake: :shake:
So can a 1911, a Musket and most 12 gauge pump shottys.
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Don't forget, a bolt action rifle with a scope on it can be called a "weapon of war" :shake: :shake:
P320, Baretta M9, Colt 1911 M45A1 are all used in wars in the past few years.
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I like to ask why police need to carry "weapons of war"?
If police carry them or have ready access to them in our community, then they must by definition have a legal and legitimate use case in our community...