2aHawaii
General Topics => Legal and Activism => Topic started by: macsak on February 16, 2024, 08:18:01 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZIqhZ9FewU
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but someone here sees no defiance
#nuance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZIqhZ9FewU
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#objective
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No.
Your trolling is unnecessary
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No.
Argumentative.
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please show me where i said it was necessary...
No.
Your trolling is unnecessary
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No.
Your trolling is unnecessary
That's not a very objective statement.
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No.
Your trolling is unnecessary
Your response to what you believe was trolling was also unnecessary ...
but you replied anyway.
Score for the troll!!
:rofl:
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I talked to a guy who isn't a US citizen and asked if he would join a militia so he can keep his 2a right (assume it was needed to keep it). He said no because as a peon in a militia, he has no say in what the org believes. And if they believed overthrowing the government was needed, then he would lose his permanent resident status and get deported.
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Aren't we mostly all in the unorganized militia at some point of our lives?
https://law.justia.com/codes/hawaii/2021/title-10/chapter-121/section-121-1/
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Aren't we mostly all in the unorganized militia at some point of our lives?
https://law.justia.com/codes/hawaii/2021/title-10/chapter-121/section-121-1/
Hawaiii SC judge would disagree stating the only milita needed is the Aloha Spirit militia.
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I think 99.9% of our politicians forgot they took the oath of office once they got elected.
The other .1% of politicians who took the oath of office are republicans.
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Fact Sheet: Unlawful Militias in Hawaii
Federal and state laws generally use the term “militia” to refer to all able-bodied residents between certain ages who
may be called forth by the government to defend the United States or an individual state.
See 10 U.S.C. § 246.
When not called forth, they are sometimes referred to as the “unorganized militia.” A group of people who
consider themselves part of the able-bodied residents referred to as members of the militia under state or federal
law is not legally permitted to activate itself for duty. A private militia that attempts to activate itself for duty,
outside of the authority of the state or federal government, is illegal.
https://www.law.georgetown.edu/icap/wp-content/uploads/sites/32/2020/09/Hawaii.pdf
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So we're legally in the militia, we just can't do anything until we're officially asked to do so?
My (very limited and likely flawed) understanding is that these militia laws (there is a federal one with nearly the same language (https://law.justia.com/codes/us/2021/title-10/subtitle-a/part-i/chapter-12/sec-246/)) are important for reasons beyond clarifying the second amendment/ section 17... I was told that there couldn't legally be a draft without them. Hopefully somebody with real knowledge can expand on that.
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Fact Sheet: Unlawful Militias in Hawaii
https://www.law.georgetown.edu/icap/wp-content/uploads/sites/32/2020/09/Hawaii.pdf
I would take this with a grain of salt. This is the same organization representing the State of Hawaii to fight our 2A lawsuits. Neal Katyal, an Obama Solicitor General who opposed us in Young v Hawaii, is one of their leaders.
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I would take this with a grain of salt. This is the same organization representing the State of Hawaii to fight our 2A lawsuits. Neal Katyal, an Obama Solicitor General who opposed us in Young v Hawaii, is one of their leaders.
i didn't intend for it to be definitive, :geekdanc:
But the information and facts it contains are accurate up to the point of discussing militias interfering in polling places. Just wanted us to be aware of what others are building the "militia" case on.
:shaka:
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Argumentative.
Answering a question is argumentative?
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please show me where i said it was necessary...
Please show me where I said you said it was necessary....
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Fact Sheet: Unlawful Militias in Hawaii
https://www.law.georgetown.edu/icap/wp-content/uploads/sites/32/2020/09/Hawaii.pdf
If you're a militia that dresses like homeless people then who's going to know the difference?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5BBMk0oeIU
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Answering a question is argumentative?
The way u often do it is.
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The way u often do it is.
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He posted his one-syllable answer ("No."), but failed to provide any context, nuance or supporting facts to explain his answer.
Might as well have a Magic 8 Ball BOT giving answers.
(https://i.imgur.com/HEPY1tS.jpg)
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A concern I have with the militia clauses is that they mention 17-45 yo citizens or people who INTEND to become citizens
Right now there are illegal aliens crossing the border wearing tactical gear who are apparently being invited by the Courage To Serve Act which turns migrants into citizens with military service. So basically the invaders are going to be given guns and fancy military equipment by the government to use against us.
If the State of Hawaii wanted to they have the legal framework to create their own militia of illegals to crack down on the citizenry, assuming they successfully take our guns and ammo away first.
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'Asylum-Seekers' From Syria Kitted Out in 5.11 Tactical Gear
Meet our New World Order compliance officers. Apparently they have to wait until crossing over to get their M4s and body armor. Probably something to do with Mexican gun laws.
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/02/19/asylum-seekers-from-syria-kitted-out-in-511-tactical-gear-n2393111
(https://pbs.twimg.com/amplify_video_thumb/1760374233136259072/img/_r8T8y12dQqneTzv.jpg)
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He posted his one-syllable answer ("No."), but failed to provide any context, nuance or supporting facts to explain his answer.
It is a yes/no question. You never asked for context.
Is my answer wrong or are you just looking to argue (like usual) even when we are on the same side of the issue?
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A concern I have with the militia clauses is that they mention 17-45 yo citizens or people who INTEND to become citizens
Right now there are illegal aliens crossing the border wearing tactical gear who are apparently being invited by the Courage To Serve Act which turns migrants into citizens with military service. So basically the invaders are going to be given guns and fancy military equipment by the government to use against us.
If the State of Hawaii wanted to they have the legal framework to create their own militia of illegals to crack down on the citizenry, assuming they successfully take our guns and ammo away first.
Calling a 5.11 sweater tactical gear is quite a hyperbole.
Plus, if they were really a secret force trying to sneak into the USA they "tactical gear" would be the last thing they would wear.
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The way u often do it is.
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I literally could not have been less argumentative in my answer to the question. Flapp is choosing to pick a fight here, I simply answered the question.
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I literally could not have been less argumentative in my answer to the question. Flapp is choosing to pick a fight here, I simply answered the question.
I replied to CMO, not you. CMO was the one calling you out for your nothing answer.
If anyone is picking a fight, it's you -- the one accusing me of the same when i didn't even address you.
Get a grip. Stop the never ending round-and-round bickering.
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Calling a 5.11 sweater tactical gear is quite a hyperbole.
Plus, if they were really a secret force trying to sneak into the USA they "tactical gear" would be the last thing they would wear.
Somebody sponsored those guys and gave them kit. Nobody randomly picks up 5.11 gear south of the border. The question is which NGOs are handing out tactical gear and what are their connections to the State Department?
Ignorance is not strength, and if you practice it too much you'll give yourself brain damage.
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Even a "severely retarded" (someone on this forum made this assertation) person like me can figure out what's happening at the border.
In my opinion the POTUS's handling of the border is the one that should deserve the moniker: severely retarded.
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I literally could not have been less argumentative in my answer to the question. Flapp is choosing to pick a fight here, I simply answered the question.
"In my imagination"
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Somebody sponsored those guys and gave them kit. Nobody randomly picks up 5.11 gear south of the border. The question is which NGOs are handing out tactical gear and what are their connections to the State Department?
Ignorance is not strength, and if you practice it too much you'll give yourself brain damage.
Of course he doesn't get it. What is the cost of a 5.11 clothing? Then ask what is the average income in Mexico?
But an "objective" person would say, what if it's a Chinese counterfeit and the cost is only $3 USD. What if the person coming across has money to afford this and is choosing this route? What if they found it because it fell off a truck?
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Somebody sponsored those guys and gave them kit. Nobody randomly picks up 5.11 gear south of the border. The question is which NGOs are handing out tactical gear and what are their connections to the State Department?
Ignorance is not strength, and if you practice it too much you'll give yourself brain damage.
You sure do enjoy your conspiracy theories, I'll give you that.
Why would a secret agent sneak into a country dressed in tactical clothing (since you consider a black hoodie with a 5.11 label "tactical"
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You sure do enjoy your conspiracy theories, I'll give you that.
Why would a secret agent sneak into a country dressed in tactical clothing (since you consider a black hoodie with a 5.11 label "tactical"
Nobody said he was a secret agent except you.
Anything that resembles a military combat uniform is considered tactical. 5.11 patterns their best selling clothing lines after military BDUs and police SWAT uniforms.
I'm sure they are wearing them because most of the illegals are not traveling with their entire wardrobe. They are wearing 1. whatever they have, and 2. whatever is most appropriate for travel. If newish tactical clothing is the best thing they own, they are going to wear that.
Most only bring what they can carry and what they are wearing. Anyway, why pack a bunch of stuff when Biden is going to set you up with cash, lodging, transportation and free food when you arrive?
It's not a difficult concept for anyone not trying to be argumentative.
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You sure do enjoy your conspiracy theories, I'll give you that.
Why would a secret agent sneak into a country dressed in tactical clothing (since you consider a black hoodie with a 5.11 label "tactical"
Swoooossshhhh