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General Topics => Legal and Activism => Topic started by: changemyoil66 on February 16, 2024, 08:56:47 PM
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Hearing is on 2/23/24 at 9:30am. So testimony is due 24hr prior.
Even if you submitted testimony last time, you have to do it again. Testimony doesnt carry over.
There is no in person or zoom testimony as this is a "decision making" only hearing. Online testimony is being accepted.
Same version as the last hearing. The bill has now advanced to its new commitee (JDC).
This bans new purchases of "assault rifles", "assault shotguns", "assault pistols", any pistol with a threaded barrel.
All rifle mags greater than 10rds will be illegal and have no compensation.
Some rifle parts will no longer be legal to buy: handguard, flash hider, pistol grip, adjustible/folding buttstocks, foregrips. So if any breaks, you cannot fit it.
You cannot take your rifle out of state and bring it back home.
Only the registered owner can use the rifle.
Hawaii compliant "assault pistols" will be illegal.
If you live in the Puna district, call your senator since she sits on the voting commitee. Joy Buenaventura 808-586-6890.
If you live in Kapolei, Makakilo, Ewa, call Senator Mike Gabbard to vote no 808-586-6830.
Use link below to submit testimony.
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=3196&year=2024
Sign in to your username. Click the orange button "submit testimony".
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note: even if you testified last time, TESTIMONY DOES NOT CARRY OVER
please submit new testimony...
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These legislators are hoping that the typical average citizen is not a lawyer or politician,
so they can make laws that really affect us directly and we wouldn't even know until it takes effect.
I'm just an old retired guy trying to kill weeds, walk my dog and go shoot at stuff with my other old retired friends.
Instead, I'm doing this crap.
If you are an old retired guy like me you understand.
If you are a young guy, think of me like YOUR old retired dad trying to play with your grand babies,
but has to waste time fighting politicians so you can inherit his cool stuff without being arrested.
funny eh? nope, not really funny.
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I know that it doesnt for some stupid reason, but previous testimony should carry over. Its right there for them to read. Along with my own testimony, I will be reiterating the previous testimony numbers. The committee report says that they received support testimony from "over one hundred individuals" and oppose testimony from "over one thousand eighty individuals". so thats the number i will be using.
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I know that it doesnt for some stupid reason, but previous testimony should carry over. Its right there for them to read. Along with my own testimony, I will be reiterating the previous testimony numbers. The committee report says that they received support testimony from "over one hundred individuals" and oppose testimony from "over one thousand eighty individuals". so thats the number i will be using.
Its because sometimes changes are made to bills that cause prior test to not be relevant.
Example
Changing the under 21 to posessing ammo is changed to only buying ammo. Anyone who test they cannot give their kid ammo for hunting, now wont apply.
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If you live in the Puna district, call your senator since she sits on the voting commitee. Joy Buenaventura 808-586-6890.
If you live in Kapolei, Makakilo, Ewa, call Senator Mike Gabbard to vote no 808-586-6830.
Brenton Awa was MIA from the last hearing. This state has ways of getting to people and I wouldn't take his vote for granted.
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I'm heading out to the range today and I will pass out flyers to the folks.
The flyers are just a rehash of what CMO wrote above.
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I'm heading out to the range today and I will pass out flyers to the folks.
The flyers are just a rehash of what CMO wrote above.
Post a copy here!
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What I noticed from the opposition on the last hearing was that they are there to give political cover and the illusion of consensus to globalist objectives. Maybe some politicians individually want to do the right thing, but they need to be persuaded that going along with the plan will get them run out of office. When it comes to influencing politicians...fear of losing power is the best motivator.
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Post a copy here!
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What I noticed from the opposition on the last hearing was that they are there to give political cover and the illusion of consensus to globalist objectives. Maybe some politicians individually want to do the right thing, but they need to be persuaded that going along with the plan will get them run out of office. When it comes to influencing politicians...fear of losing power is the best motivator.
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It's almost verbatim of what CMO wrote.
I just highlighted some important attention-grabbing words and corrected some spelling.
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Brenton Awa was MIA from the last hearing. This state has ways of getting to people and I wouldn't take his vote for granted.
His voted wouldnt have mattered as he was out numbered. I assume thats why he wasnt there. Wasted time.
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So if this proposed bill passes the JDC this coming 23rd, then does it go to the whole Senate for vote?
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So if this proposed bill passes the JDC this coming 23rd, then does it go to the whole Senate for vote?
Yes
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Yes
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Thank you. I originally sent a msg. to Donovan Dela Cruz telling him how I feel about SB 3196. Since SB3196 passed out of committee I will remind him that my stance on it has not changed.
And he will hear from me again if SB3196 passes through the JDC this coming 23rd.
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Bumping this today.
Went khsc and distributed flyers yesterday.
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Done.
Also helped some family members and friends register to submit testimony.
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Done
Jones
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Bump for the benefit of those people just tuning in to 2Ahawaii
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Time to resurrect this I guess
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Time to resurrect this I guess
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I'd like to buy a bumper sticker
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I'd like to buy a bumper sticker
Should make T-shirts. I'd buy one. :thumbsup:
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Time to resurrect this I
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Yes
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Bumping this today.
Went khsc and distributed flyers yesterday.
Thanks. Would like some pics to share of people doing outreach.
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Brenton Awa was MIA from the last hearing. This state has ways of getting to people and I wouldn't take his vote for granted.
Awa and Fevella are very busy as the only 2 republicans. They have to try and attend all the hearings so they jump around all day.
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Time to resurrect this I guess
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Fix the 'Ōlelo Hawai'i first.
The way the grammar is now, you're saying "come and be taken."
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Fix the 'Ōlelo Hawai'i first.
The way the grammar is now, you're saying "come and be taken."
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close enough
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To 671....I appreciate the actual time and effort to make the shirts. I'm wearing mine as I write this.
It would be nice to have some to sell at the gun show if you got any, but don't make a special run.
To Q...why didn't you include the corrected version?
Note:
The next gun show at the Blaisdell is less than a month away.
I will have a table to try to promote this forum again. The more eyes we get on this forum the better.
I'll be looking for a few volunteers to help watch the table like the last time.
I have other responsibilities to attend to at the show which will take several hours each day.
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close enough
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To 671....I appreciate the actual time and effort to make the shirts. I'm wearing mine as I write this.
It would be nice to have some to sell at the gun show if you got any, but don't make a special run.
To Q...why didn't you include the corrected version?
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I'm not saying what's correct or not, since I'm not even close to an "expert".
So, I used Google Translate, and this is what it has to say, for whatever that's worth:
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My opinion, the logo is cool, but we need to be perfect. And even though Antifa gets away with it, the logo looks too antifa/commie like. Esp with the red background. This might give the anti 2a people ammo to use against the cause.
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I was wondering what a rotating magazine shotgun was and I looked this up. I want one now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqAERKO1upE
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I was wondering what a rotating magazine shotgun was and I looked this up. I want one now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqAERKO1upE
I got to shoot one. Same guy owns a Tavor.
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My opinion, the logo is cool, but we need to be perfect. And even though Antifa gets away with it, the logo looks too antifa/commie like. Esp with the red background. This might give the anti 2a people ammo to use against the cause.
Ironically, the HI supreme court just affirmed the slogan "HI Will Not comply."
If they don't think HI should comply with US Law or SCOTUS precedence, then they have no moral high ground to demand US citizens living in HI comply with HI laws that violate the US Constitution.
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Sent in testimony. Emailed others +club
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I was wondering what a rotating magazine shotgun was and I looked this up. I want one now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqAERKO1upE
What's cool about this is on the last round, the slide locks back. Then when you twist the tube, the bolt automatically comes forward and you're ready to rock n roll.
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Fix the 'Ōlelo Hawai'i first.
The way the grammar is now, you're saying "come and be taken."
I got E HELE MAI E LAWE
Is that correct?
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close enough
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To Q...why didn't you include the corrected version?
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Figured Doug would chime in with his expertise on the Hawaiian language; he did not fail to disappoint
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I got E HELE MAI E LAWE
Is that correct?
The correct Hawaiianization would be:
E hele mai a (e) lawe i kēia mau (mea, mea kaua, pū).
Mea = objects/things.
Mea kaua = weapons, lit. "War things/objects".
Pū = guns/firearms.
This literally translates to:
Come here and take these (things, weapons, guns)
Not all English grammar or phrases can be directly translated into Hawaiian. Adjustment must be made so that the phrase adheres to the grammar rules of the language it is being translated into.
Ironically, the HI supreme court just affirmed the slogan "HI Will Not comply."
If they don't think HI should comply with US Law or SCOTUS precedence, then they have no moral high ground to demand US citizens living in HI comply with HI laws that violate the US Constitution.
If you want to Hawaiianize this, it would be something along the lines of:
'A'ole (mākou / 'o Hawai'i) e ho'okō
We/Hawai'i will not confirm/fulfill
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Figured Doug would chime in with his expertise on the Hawaiian language; he did not fail to disappoint
What's proper Hawiianese for "Stop being such a dick?"
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Friday's SB3196 AWB hearing is "Decision Making Only" so no oral or zoom testimonies will be taken at the State Capitol. However we still need some people to attend to represent and add the pressure. Go if you're free that day but don't take the day off work. The vote will take about 15 minutes unless there's delays. There is a ID check and security screening at the capitol now so no weapons.
1. Wear a visible and noticeable gun or hunting related clothing. The Senators need to visually know what you are there for since you can't talk. Wear a shooting jersey, 2A shirt, hunting camo, orange vest, orange or camo cap, minuteman shirt, or something.
2. Get there early and make a last minute visit to their offices in this order of importance, they should be free.
Sen San Buenaventura, Room 213
Sen Mike Gabbard, Room 201
Sen Brenton Awa, Room 203
Sen Brandon Elefante, Room 217
Sen Karl Rhoads, Room 228
3. The hearing is at 9:30am in room 016 Chamber Level (basement). SB3196 is the 3rd bill up for a vote. Make your presence known when they call the bill number and let them know you're watching them and will remember this.
4. If you stick around for the end of the hearing (30 to 45 minutes) thank the senators that opposed the bill.
Recommend trying basement parking at the Capitol on Miller St, should have parking if you go early. $2/hr with cash or credit cards. If not, try the other places. https://ethics.hawaii.gov/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Capitol-Map.pdf
There is security screening and ID check at the Capitol. No weapons allowed in.
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1. Wear a visible and noticeable gun or hunting related clothing. The Senators need to visually know what you are there for since you can't talk. Wear a shooting jersey, 2A shirt, hunting camo, orange vest, orange or camo cap, minuteman shirt, or something.
Someone lend me $10k NODs, helmet and chest rig, so I can go to this?
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Someone lend me $10k NODs, helmet and chest rig, so I can go to this?
Yes, as it isn't illegal to do so, yet...(I know rhetorical, but some may be wondering if it's legal to wear the following outside and not at a range). But make sure no ammo is caught inside your rig. Sometimes 1 bullet is forgotten to be in it or fell in it. 1 guy during the BLM march was arrested for places to keep an ammo as he had 1 or more in his plate carrier. Media didn't specify was it a mag, or 1 bullet found.
I 've seen a guy wear his plate carrier to protest outside of Planned Parenthood next to HPD main station. Few weeks later, someone shot a BB gun at them.
But it doesn't make the cause any better when guys look tactical or hobo looking. I was told from a few anti 2a people that when someone looks professional when testifying, they have a better opinion of the person.
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recommend business casual.There to do business :thumbsup:
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Someone lend me $10k NODs, helmet and chest rig, so I can go to this?
Guess I have to better define "or something"
Maybe mild tactical, or business tactical. tactical pants and gun shirt. Shirt with american flags. ...
Legislators like to see everyday hard working people from the community. Sometimes a little different is good once in a while.
Forgot to add there is security screening at the capitol now so no weapons.
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Legislators like to see everyday hard working people from the community.
If I'm a male stripper, can I come in my "work uniform"?
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It seems intuitive to me that when you're in public you want to make it clear what you are supporting but you also want to look as sane, courteous, safe and nonthreatening as possible. The goal with all of this is to sway the undecideds, right? Who are they? If we can give comfortable feelings to the suburban mom who dreads school shootings then we've probably won the battle. I can't see body armor sending the right message.
Regarding the TS12, I don't believe it would be an "assault shotgun" under the "revolving cylinder" clause. That clause was intended to ban "revolver shotguns" like the Striker 12 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armsel_Striker), with the cylinder being the component where the shell is fired from. Under SB3196, the TS12 would be banned because it has a "fixed magazine with the capacity to hold more than five rounds", with "fixed magazine" being defined as "an ammunition feeding device that is permanently attached to a firearm, or contained in and not removable from a firearm".
California has the "revolving cylinder (https://california.public.law/codes/ca_penal_code_section_30515)" clause but doesn't ban the TS12 because it clarifies (https://www.law.cornell.edu/regulations/california/11-CCR-5471):
"Shotgun with a revolving cylinder" means a shotgun that holds its ammunition in a cylinder that acts as a chamber much like a revolver. To meet this definition the shotgun's cylinder must mechanically revolve or rotate each time the weapon is fired. A cylinder that must be manually rotated by the shooter does not qualify as a revolving cylinder."
I do appreciate the extremely esoteric list of firearms that made it into this bill. The TS12 didn't make it onto their copy-and-paste simply because it was released in 2018. It is also probably worth mentioning that SB3196 goes further than even California in a lot of ways.
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It seems intuitive to me that when you're in public you want to make it clear what you are supporting but you also want to look as sane, courteous, safe and nonthreatening as possible. The goal with all of this is to sway the undecideds, right? Who are they? If we can give comfortable feelings to the suburban mom who dreads school shootings then we've probably won the battle. I can't see body armor sending the right message.
Regarding the TS12, I don't believe it would be an "assault shotgun" under the "revolving cylinder" clause. That clause was intended to ban "revolver shotguns" like the Striker 12 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armsel_Striker), with the cylinder being the component where the shell is fired from. Under SB3196, the TS12 would be banned because it has a "fixed magazine with the capacity to hold more than five rounds", with "fixed magazine" being defined as "an ammunition feeding device that is permanently attached to a firearm, or contained in and not removable from a firearm". (Although I can see that being argued in court, as a magazine that spins around seems very obviously not "fixed".)
California has the "revolving cylinder (https://california.public.law/codes/ca_penal_code_section_30515)" clause but doesn't ban the TS12 because it clarifies (https://www.law.cornell.edu/regulations/california/11-CCR-5471):
"Shotgun with a revolving cylinder" means a shotgun that holds its ammunition in a cylinder that acts as a chamber much like a revolver. To meet this definition the shotgun's cylinder must mechanically revolve or rotate each time the weapon is fired. A cylinder that must be manually rotated by the shooter does not qualify as a revolving cylinder.
I do appreciate the extremely esoteric list of firearms that made it into this bill. The TS12 didn't make it onto their copy-and-paste. It is also probably worth mentioning that SB3196 goes further than even California in a lot of ways.
It's funny cause they did list the Street Sweeper, which there are only like 2 in existence.
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OK so re the design...
Somebody get me the correct verbage and I'll change it to make it all work right. Sometimes translations get lost in the translation
I can get stickers made and have all the proceeds go to HifiCo as they are the big push on this and other 2A stuff here
Time to resurrect this I guess
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Vote for the bill was deferred until 2/27.
Buenaventura was missing, which if we assume Gabbard was going to vote no, then there would have been a tie. Which means the bill dies.
Comrade Karl said they need to make some changes to the bill.
So I think this is a good sign as Buenaventura wasn't on board with it. So there will have to be some big changes in our favor to get her to support the bill. If she shows up on tuesday.
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They should let us continue to submit more testimony till then.
When will these changes be available to view? Minutes before the vote?
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they won't be known until after the vote...
They should let us continue to submit more testimony till then.
When will these changes be available to view? Minutes before the vote?
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they won't be known until after the vote...
Well. That’s just ridiculous
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Well. That’s just ridiculous
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Agree. On the same level as the HSC ruling using the Aloha Spirit as their trump card.
Sad state of affairs in the 50th. state.
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that's how it works
the amendments are published within the next 48 hours in the committee report
then it moves on to the next committee or full senate...
Well. That’s just ridiculous
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Checked my emails this morning and was surprised that Senator Mike Gabbard responded to my email to him testifying that I oppose SB3196.
So used to having no response to all the legislators that I contact.
He just thanked me for my input. Didn't say anything else as to which way he is leaning.
He doesn't represent my district. So I appreciated it even more.
I didn't (and never) get any response to the Senator that represents my district. Maybe I shouldn't mention his name to avoid his embarrassment (Donovan Dela Cruz). :rofl: sorry. I lied.
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Checked my emails this morning and was surprised that Senator Mike Gabbard responded to my email to him testifying that I oppose SB3196.
So used to having no response to all the legislators that I contact.
He just thanked me for my input. Didn't say anything else as to which way he is leaning.
He doesn't represent my district. So I appreciated it even more.
I didn't (and never) get any response to the Senator that represents my district. Maybe I shouldn't mention his name to avoid his embarrassment (Donovan Dela Cruz). :rofl: sorry. I lied.
Yeah I got the same response from Gabbard aswell
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Yeah I got the same response from Gabbard aswell
Same here
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OK so re the design...
Somebody get me the correct verbage and I'll change it to make it all work right. Sometimes translations get lost in the translation
I can get stickers made and have all the proceeds go to HifiCo as they are the big push on this and other 2A stuff here
it looks like Q posted 3 versions
E hele mai a lawe i kēia mau mea
Come and take these things
E hele mai a lawe i kēia mau mea kaua
Come and take these weapons
E hele mai a lawe i kēia mau mea pū
Come and take these guns
I'm guessing that if you switch a to e it changes to future tense, but not sure.
Bonus round:
'A'ole mākou e ho'okō
We will not comply (confirm/fulfill)
'A'ole 'o Hawai'i e ho'okō
Hawaii will not comply (confirm/fulfill)
Kinda wish I could take a basic olelo class without having to deal with the marxist university system
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Same here
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Me too.
Probably an automated response.
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This is a rough estimate but there are about 1K oppose the bill and 400 support it. 200 of the support were direct emails to Comrade Karl from Everytowns email list. So the message was word for word.
85% of the support test were copy/paste and made common statements like
"HI is the only state with an assault weapon ban,but with a loophole for assault rifles"
"The NRA doesn't represent the majority of HI people"
"A recent poll shows majority of HI supports strict gun laws"
"We have more mass shootings than days in the year"
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it looks like Q posted 3 versions
E hele mai a lawe i kēia mau mea
Come and take these things
E hele mai a lawe i kēia mau mea kaua
Come and take these weapons
E hele mai a lawe i kēia mau mea pū
Come and take these guns
I'm guessing that if you switch a to e it changes to future tense, but not sure.
Bonus round:
'A'ole mākou e ho'okō
We will not comply (confirm/fulfill)
'A'ole 'o Hawai'i e ho'okō
Hawaii will not comply (confirm/fulfill)
"E" signifies a command or instruction.
"A" means and.
I excluded the second "e" because it's not generally necessary, but both are grammatically correct.
Kinda wish I could take a basic olelo class without having to deal with the marxist university system
The Duolingo course is free and is an ok elementary introduction.
There's a few teachers offering more intensive coursework for people who want it, at a very cheap price. I think the guy I recommended charges $5-10/month and has been teaching for the past 20-30 years.
If you are a self study type, you can buy the Nā Kai 'Ewalu series from UH Hilo Press. These are the standard textbooks for Elementary and Intermediate Hawaiian programs in high schools and colleges.
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it looks like Q posted 3 versions
E hele mai a lawe i kēia mau mea
Come and take these things
E hele mai a lawe i kēia mau mea kaua
Come and take these weapons
E hele mai a lawe i kēia mau mea pū
Come and take these guns
I'm guessing that if you switch a to e it changes to future tense, but not sure.
Bonus round:
'A'ole mākou e ho'okō
We will not comply (confirm/fulfill)
'A'ole 'o Hawai'i e ho'okō
Hawaii will not comply (confirm/fulfill)
Kinda wish I could take a basic olelo class without having to deal with the marxist university system
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Re. Shirts
To 6716j
If you are actually going make some products like shirts or stickers, just keep it simple. This is an advertisement. The message has to be short and sweet and memorable. It should also have an English subtitle since most people don't know and don't care about Hawaiian grammar. I would love to put some stuff up for sale at the gun show but it's only 3 weeks away. Will send a pm to discuss.
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200 of the support were direct emails to Comrade Karl from Everytowns email list. So the message was word for word.
Feels like they're not even trying to hide the shame anymore.
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Vote for the bill was deferred until 2/27.
Buenaventura was missing, which if we assume Gabbard was going to vote no, then there would have been a tie. Which means the bill dies.
Comrade Karl said they need to make some changes to the bill.
So I think this is a good sign as Buenaventura wasn't on board with it. So there will have to be some big changes in our favor to get her to support the bill. If she shows up on tuesday.
so they're looking for which parts of SB3196 to keep, and which to delete.
in my view, all of SB3196 is bad. any compromise means that somebody is going to be thrown under the bus. whether it's the 50 cal sport shooters, AR-15 30rd mags, semi-auto rifles, pistol "evil" features, folks with semi-auto shotguns.
somebody is going to get thrown under the bus. somebody is going to pull up stakes and move to the mainland. this is divide & conquer.
this bill needs to die.
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Frikkin cheaters
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This is a rough estimate but there are about 1K oppose the bill and 400 support it. 200 of the support were direct emails to Comrade Karl from Everytowns email list.
Count may be a bit off...
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Count may be a bit off...
They do it with elections so I’m not surprised. I guess this means we should start spamming as well. Otherwise we’re just letting them get away with it.
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Count may be a bit off...
at least 193-194 emails to commrade Rhoads contained the copy-paste phrase "I'm urging you to protect Hawai'i residents like me..."
At least 474 emails to commrade Rhoads contained the copy-paste phrase "Please protect Hawai'i residents like me from gun violence..."
At least 18 names used in email testimonies were duplicate testimonies, with these individuals sending at least two emails using both phrases. Will likely be higher will likely be higher but I need to find a better way to analyze the data.
What one might consider is using this as a talking point to the other senators before the 27th; namely how these testimonies were submitted directly to Rhoads and not via the official testimony form on the legislature site. I know someone mentioned that the gross majority were excluded, but this can be interpreted as bias on the part of Rhoads, given his previously established prejudices against firearms and the 2nd amendment, as well as his affiliations with the organization(s) that sent in these emails. Could be interpreted as interference in our governmental/legislative process.
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people are looking into how we can complain about this and get some resolution...
at least 193-194 emails to commrade Rhoads contained the copy-paste phrase "I'm urging you to protect Hawai'i residents like me..."
At least 474 emails to commrade Rhoads contained the copy-paste phrase "Please protect Hawai'i residents like me from gun violence..."
At least 18 names used in email testimonies were duplicate testimonies, with these individuals sending at least two emails using both phrases. Will likely be higher will likely be higher but I need to find a better way to analyze the data.
What one might consider is using this as a talking point to the other senators before the 27th; namely how these testimonies were submitted directly to Rhoads and not via the official testimony form on the legislature site. I know someone mentioned that the gross majority were excluded, but this can be interpreted as bias on the part of Rhoads, given his previously established prejudices against firearms and the 2nd amendment, as well as his affiliations with the organization(s) that sent in these emails. Could be interpreted as interference in our governmental/legislative process.
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Count may be a bit off...
I no longer have time to count them all.
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Temporary email accounts sure are convenient for parties who want to protect their privacy
https://www.disposablemail.com/
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Wow. These people sending their custom testimonies to Toades must also
VOTE THE SAME WAY. ;)
81 million votes for a certain person residing at the White House. Hmmmmmmm..... ;)
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mahalo Q
people are looking into how we can complain about this and get some resolution...
Spent the past few hours going through the copy-paste testimonies again. Here are my findings:
- 193 copy-paste email testimonies sent directly to Rhoads from Everytown for Retardation, beginning with the phrase "I'm urging you to protect Hawai'i residents like me..."
- 474 copy-paste email testimonies sent directly to Rhoads from Everytown for Retardation, beginning with the phrase "Please protect Hawai'i residents like me from gun violence..."
- 71 individuals submitted at least two testimonies using both phrases.
- Of the 71 multiple submissions, 42 are triple submissions, meaning their names are listed 3 times in the pdf files.
- All 667 emails were sent directly to Rhoads via everytownʻs email. I wasnʻt able to check if they submitted official testimony through the legislature site as well.
Will make a separate post on this.
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Sent you a DM
Spent the past few hours going through the copy-paste testimonies again. Here are my findings:
- 193 copy-paste email testimonies sent directly to Rhoads from Everytown for Retardation, beginning with the phrase "I'm urging you to protect Hawai'i residents like me..."
- 474 copy-paste email testimonies sent directly to Rhoads from Everytown for Retardation, beginning with the phrase "Please protect Hawai'i residents like me from gun violence..."
- 71 individuals submitted at least two testimonies using both phrases.
- Of the 71 multiple submissions, 42 are triple submissions, meaning their names are listed 3 times in the pdf files.
- All 667 emails were sent directly to Rhoads via everytownʻs email. I wasnʻt able to check if they submitted official testimony through the legislature site as well.
Will make a separate post on this.
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https://www.civilbeat.org/2024/02/gun-lobbyists-like-the-nra-are-lying-to-hawaii-lawmakers/
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https://www.civilbeat.org/2024/02/gun-lobbyists-like-the-nra-are-lying-to-hawaii-lawmakers/
Good ol Bronze star Chris
Someone commented he should debate us. Sounds like a good idea.
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Made some updates
Thoughts before it goes to the printer today. Colors are from the maoli flag
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Made some updates
Thoughts before it goes to the printer today. Colors are from the maoli flag
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Put it on hold.
I will reword to fit Hi will not comply if you won't use the correct grammar. Right now it doesn't make sense.
Might not bother other people but it will bother people who are Hawaiian and speak 'ōlelo Hawai'i.
I would also recommend changing the colors to reflect the hae Hawai'i (Hawaiian flag). The blue is royal, I believe. The Maoli flag is not a real flag.
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Put it on hold.
I will reword to fit Hi will not comply if you won't use the correct grammar. Right now it doesn't make sense.
Might not bother other people but it will bother people who are Hawaiian and speak 'ōlelo Hawai'i.
I would also recommend changing the colors to reflect the hae Hawai'i (Hawaiian flag). The blue is royal, I believe. The Maoli flag is not a real flag.
Okie dokie
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Good ol Bronze star Chris
Someone commented he should debate us. Sounds like a good idea.
He is given talking points and if you screw that up, he's lost. 1 time in the stand your ground hearing, he stated that he doesn't want HI to become a Kinosha, WI and people like Kyle Rittenhouse running around with an "assault rifle". He was then told open carry like that is illegal in HI and when he was called upon again, he stumbled and you can tell his main talking point was gone.
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The Maoli flag is not a real flag.
https://bigislandpulse.com/community/kanaka-maoli-flag-hawaiis-original-flag-or-clever-marketing/
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Made some updates
Thoughts before it goes to the printer today. Colors are from the maoli flag
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I like the design. No need follow HI colors too closely.
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I like the design. No need follow HI colors too closely.
Yeah. It's a better representation of "will not comply" if the design doesn't follow conventional standards.
but, I'm not the expert.
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Okie dokie
Use the phrase " 'A'ole mākou e ho'olohe"
This translates to "we will not listen/obey" and is the closest to "we will not comply".
I'm recommending mākou over 'o Hawai'i because the latter represents the totality of the islands population while the former is an exclusive plural pronoun specific to those conveying the message.
If you go with the hae Hawai'i colors, it would be red, white and dark azure instead of Old Glory blue.
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To 6716j ET AL
RE. Bumper stickers and shirts.
The Gun Show is coming up in 19 days.
I would like to have something to offer for sale as a fundraiser for HIFICO. Time is not my friend.
In real shooting competitions (and life), the winner always uses a balance of speed and accuracy.
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Come to the capitol tomorrow morning if you're free, don't take the day off work. Vote could be postponed again and Friday is the last day for this bill.
ATTEND THE HEARING ON TUESDAY
Tuesdays vote (2-27-24) on SB3196 AWB hearing is "Decision Making Only" so no oral or zoom testimonies will be taken. However we still need some people to attend to represent and add the pressure. Go if you're free that day but don't take the day off work.
1. Wear a visible and noticeable gun or hunting related clothing. The Senators need to visually know what you are there for since you can't talk. Wear a shooting jersey, 2A shirt, hunting camo, orange vest, orange or camo cap, minuteman shirt, or something.
2. Get there early and make a last minute visit to their offices.
Sen San Buenaventura, Room 213
Sen Mike Gabbard, Room 201
Sen Brenton Awa, Room 203
Sen Brandon Elefante, Room 217
Sen Karl Rhoads, Room 228
3. The hearing is at 9:33am in room 016 Chamber Level (basement). It may take about an hour for the SB3196 vote. Make your presence known when they call the bill number and let them know you're watching them and will remember this.
4. If you stick around for the end of the hearing thank the senators that opposed the bill.
Recommend trying basement parking at the Capitol on Miller St, should have parking if you go early. $2/hr with cash or credit cards. If not, try the other places. https://ethics.hawaii.gov/.../upl.../2015/07/Capitol-Map.pdf
There is security screening and ID check to enter the capitol. No weapons allowed.
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I would go if somebody else drives.
I dislike driving in the downtown area and Waikiki.
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I would go if somebody else drives.
I dislike driving in the downtown area and Waikiki.
I want to be at the capitol at 8am to visit offices, could pick you up at 7:30. Just PM me your number
I've got a minor cold though.
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I've got a minor cold though.
Dats ok. Its called spreading da aloha.
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Watching the hearing. Where is Awa?
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Watching the hearing. Where is Awa?
He will be there.
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https://www.youtube.com/live/NVZnGqQ3eUA?si=a9d9zqjza6GGiZ4_
Time stamp
1:57:41
SB3196
For those who couldn’t attend
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Ridiculous.
Interesting they went with twenty rounds and not tens. Must’ve been some compromise between the senators
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Breakdown
Rhodes announced he would delay the vote so Buenaventura can arrive, she missed her flight. Only Elefante, Gabbard, and Rhodes was present. He said he and her worked on some changes. So he wanted to give her an opportunity to vote on them.
According to the schedule, SB3196 is to be heard after about 5 other bills.
I called Awa's office cause if Rhodes took the vote at that moment, we would lose. His office said guaranz he will be there when the bill comes up for vote.
They were about an hour late and called a recess before SB3196's turn. Buenaventure didn't come back in time from this recess so Rhodes delayed it until the very end of the hearing. So 15 more bills got a vote on in the mean time. Buenaventura showed up minutes later. Now the full committee is present.
Changes made are:
They deleted assault rifles and shotguns from the bill. Kept 50 cal. Increased mag limit to 20rds. Grandfather for "weapons" (assuming Rhodes meant 50 cals and HI compliant assault pistols).
Awa and Gabbard were the only 2 no votes.
We need to see the new draft to confirm what Rhodes said.
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Young GUns and Kaneohe Gun Store were present at this hearing.
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Breakdown
Rhodes announced he would delay the vote so Buenaventura can arrive, she missed her flight. Only Elefante, Gabbard, and Rhodes was present. He said he and her worked on some changes. So he wanted to give her an opportunity to vote on them.
According to the schedule, SB3196 is to be heard after about 5 other bills.
I called Awa's office cause if Rhodes took the vote at that moment, we would lose. His office said guaranz he will be there when the bill comes up for vote.
They were about an hour late and called a recess before SB3196's turn. Buenaventure didn't come back in time from this recess so Rhodes delayed it until the very end of the hearing. So 15 more bills got a vote on in the mean time. Buenaventura showed up minutes later. Now the full committee is present.
Changes made are:
They deleted assault rifles and shotguns from the bill. Kept 50 cal. Increased mag limit to 20rds. Grandfather for "weapons" (assuming Rhodes meant 50 cals and HI compliant assault pistols).
Awa and Gabbard were the only 2 no votes.
We need to see the new draft to confirm what Rhodes said.
Is the mag capacity just for pistols or all firearms?
It seemed like Rhoads mumbled through the amendments intentionally so we couldn't really hear what he was saying in real time. Maybe he was crying on the inside and got choked up.
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Semi Auto pistols that can accept mags over 10 rds deleted? ? 20rds mag limit for all firearms? Antiques Pre 1989 and black powder guns deleted?
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Semi Auto pistols that can accept mags over 10 rds deleted? ? 20rds mag limit for all firearms? Antiques Pre 1989 and black powder guns deleted?
When will we see the actual text?
Because I don't believe that they'd actually consider raising the 10 round limit for pistols to 20 rounds. That'd be... A little controversial from a realpolitik sense. Trade 50 cals for an extra 10 pistol rounds?
No way is that what they're going for. :wacko:
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Is the mag capacity just for pistols or all firearms?
It seemed like Rhoads mumbled through the amendments intentionally so we couldn't really hear what he was saying in real time. Maybe he was crying on the inside and got choked up.
pistols already limited to 10 rds so it would be all firearms.
he also put a defective date, which could mean he recognizes the bill still has issues.
theres still the "one feature" part on assault pistols, which still means any pistol with a threaded barrel qualifies as assault pistol. im sure theres still lots of bad things but 20rd mag cap is still a big one, when 30rd mags are the standard.
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Is the mag capacity just for pistols or all firearms?
It seemed like Rhoads mumbled through the amendments intentionally so we couldn't really hear what he was saying in real time. Maybe he was crying on the inside and got choked up.
He didn't specify, but I would assume he meant for rifles as that's what this ban would apply to. But I have a hunch about something and want to read the new draft when it comes out.
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Semi Auto pistols that can accept mags over 10 rds deleted? ? 20rds mag limit for all firearms? Antiques Pre 1989 and black powder guns deleted?
We need to wait to see the draft.
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When your masterplan comes together and you know you did good.
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Apparently CB got early access to the details of the bill... and the aren't sharing
https://www.civilbeat.org/2024/02/assault-rifles-and-shotguns-would-still-be-allowed-in-hawaii-under-amended-bill/
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Apparently CB got early access to the details of the bill... and the aren't sharing
https://www.civilbeat.org/2024/02/assault-rifles-and-shotguns-would-still-be-allowed-in-hawaii-under-amended-bill/
I got enough out of the article to conclude this: this Marvin guy is something else.
How about toughening up our current laws on incarceration. The Jan 1st crazy freeway chase with that asshat that had a AR, WTF was this guy doing loose? He had so many serious priors and yet he wasn't in jail?
Explain that, Marvin.
Also almost every one of those fricken Mass Shooters everyone is crying about: LE knew about them. Yet they didn't do nothing.
Explain that, Marvin.
Let's end this stupid circus and direct precious resources to where the problem is.
Mental Health and incarceration. Tougher Laws. Actions with consequences.
Why don't you help us do that, Marvin.
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I got enough out of the article to conclude this: this Marvin guy is something else.
How about toughening up our current laws on incarceration. The Jan 1st crazy freeway chase with that asshat that had a AR, WTF was this guy doing loose? He had so many serious priors and yet he wasn't in jail?
Explain that, Marvin.
Also almost every one of those fricken Mass Shooters everyone is crying about: LE knew about them. Yet they didn't do nothing.
Explain that, Marvin.
Let's end this stupid circus and direct precious resources to where the problem is.
Mental Health and incarceration. Tougher Laws. Actions with consequences.
Why don't you help us do that, Marvin.
He said half of active shooters use assault rifles. Which means the other half....or close to it (shotguns)
He's a lying POS whos getting paid and thats his only interest in the topic.
Suicide girls mom also started an org which im sure is getting some money too.
The anti 2a have deep pockets.
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Apparently CB got early access to the details of the bill... and the aren't sharing
When will we get the text of the amended bill? Hard to speak against it when we don't know exactly what it says.
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Apparently CB got early access to the details of the bill... and the aren't sharing
https://www.civilbeat.org/2024/02/assault-rifles-and-shotguns-would-still-be-allowed-in-hawaii-under-amended-bill/
The real question is: why is a private news organization being granted early access, as well as Bronze Star Chris?
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I got enough out of the article to conclude this: this Marvin guy is something else.
A friend with a large following was in a legit SOC unit. I informed him of Mr. Bronze Star and his only response was, "as soon as he said 'I'm a veteran', I checked out."
The fact that Chris constantly throws around his exaggerated service record (i.e. "combat wounded") as proof of his expertise is more than enough to show how much of a tool he is.
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A friend with a large following was in a legit SOC unit. I informed him of Mr. Bronze Star and his only response was, "as soon as he said 'I'm a veteran', I checked out."
The fact that Chris constantly throws around his exaggerated service record (i.e. "combat wounded") as proof of his expertise is more than enough to show how much of a tool he is.
For one hearing, he brought it up multiple times. So much that when our guys testified, they mentioned their service and we had a bunch. I get that he likes to bring it up, but what's worst is that he took an oath and is breaking it. But one has to ask is that oath only valid when in the service?
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committee reports come out a day or two after hearing...
When will we get the text of the amended bill? Hard to speak against it when we don't know exactly what it says.
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committee reports come out a day or two after hearing...
or three or four or .....
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or three or four or .....
apparently needs to be filed by midnight tonight...
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apparently needs to be filed by midnight tonight...
Would it have showed up already?
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For one hearing, he brought it up multiple times. So much that when our guys testified, they mentioned their service and we had a bunch. I get that he likes to bring it up, but what's worst is that he took an oath and is breaking it. But one has to ask is that oath only valid when in the service?
I'll match his Bronze star and raise him a Meritorious Service Medal, a pair of Army Commendations, a pair of Army Acheivements, and a Combat Infantry Badge. My two Distinguished Badges trump his Expert. Wikipedia says his service ended with a helicopter crash, no mention if he was shot down or just a bad landing.
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SB 3196 passed with amendments
stay tuned for the next fire mission...
got rid of assault rifles and assault shotguns
bans .50 cal firearms and limits rifle magazines to 20 rounds
no grandfather clause...
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessions/session2024/CommReports/SB3196_SD1_SSCR2997_.htm
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No grandfather for mags, 50 cal, or "assault pistols".
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focus
"no grandfather clause"...
No grandfather for mags, 50 cal, or "assault pistols".
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As much as Chris Marvin is an ass that's doing anything it takes to destroy our rights and keeps insulting us, in the back of my mind I have to wonder if I should feel sorry for him. I talked to him for a bit at a rally and he was pleasant to talk to for a while. Then he started to twist what I said and broke out Everytown talking points, like a politician. A person I know had a good conversation with Chris and felt that Chris was doing this because he believed in it and his devotion to it. And that he had a bad case of PTSD from the crash. He may feel that he got a second chance at life after the crash and wanted to do something good for the world and doing this is his therapy. He also might not know any better when it comes to guns and that he believes what he says
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This revised bill is confusing but it sounds like anyone in possession of an “assault weapon attachment” is guilty of a class C felony. I’m assuming the attachments are what they’re using as the “characteristics“ that make an “assault rifle” which includes a threaded barrel that a lot of semi rifles have.
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"a form letter signed by more than one hundred individuals; and more than two hundred eighty individuals." - Numbers seem off, but never seen it broken down like this before.
"No .50 caliber rifle or assault weapon attachment shall be sold or transferred on or after July 8, 2024"
Ummmmm so I'm guessing an AR15 being sold when this law takes effect cannot have any of the 8 features on it, nor can you buy it separately.
Looks like Rhoads either did a slick move to still have a "assault rifle/shotgun" ban in different terms. Or he changed his mind after the hearing.
Not sure if Senator San Buenaventura got backstabbed by Rhoads to get her vote and didn't know, or if she went along with it.
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"a form letter signed by more than one hundred individuals; and more than two hundred eighty individuals." - Numbers seem off, but never seen it broken down like this before.
"No .50 caliber rifle or assault weapon attachment shall be sold or transferred on or after July 8, 2024"
Ummmmm so I'm guessing an AR15 being sold when this law takes effect cannot have any of the 8 features on it, nor can you buy it separately.
Looks like Rhoads either did a slick move to still have a "assault rifle/shotgun" ban in different terms. Or he changed his mind after the hearing.
Not sure if Senator San Buenaventura got backstabbed by Rhoads to get her vote and didn't know, or if she went along with it.
Doesn’t 134-8(a) just straight out prohibit possession of the attachments which would basically prohibit most semis by default?
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"a form letter signed by more than one hundred individuals; and more than two hundred eighty individuals." - Numbers seem off, but never seen it broken down like this before.
so they did consider the form letters
we were told that form letters were not considered
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yeah, sounds like it
hifico looking into it...
Doesn’t 134-8(a) just straight out prohibit possession of the attachments which would basically prohibit most semis by default?
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I wouldn't be surprised if Rhoads is messing with 3196 to distract us from something else.
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I'm confused. Is this the text of the revised bill? (https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessions/session2024/bills/SB3196_SD1_.HTM) It still has all the assault rifle/ assault shotgun language in it?
I think there's still plenty of stuff inside of this bill that can be effectively argued against in a way that would find sympathy with the undecideds.
1) It makes no sense to ban pistols for being too large, having a threaded barrel, or to ban specialized target pistols for having magazines outside of the grip. The law was originally written with the intent to NOT ban pistols just because they had a single one of these features, but this revision turns that language on its head to explicitly ban what the law was originally "carefully worded" to leave legal. We can put together a huge slideshow of not-scary-looking pistols that should be convincing. There must be a large number of existing pistols that'd be banned by this, so it should get tons of personal testimony.
2) The 50 caliber ban remains devoid of logic. There are smaller caliber rounds more accurate at range than any 50 caliber round, or that have more power than most of the 50 caliber rounds that would be banned. (Is it true that they have NO history of criminal use in Hawaii?)
3) What would an "assault weapon attachment" be under this law? An ambiguous list of benign-looking objects? Would there be parts that would be totally kosher on non-semi-auto guns, but that would be banned by this because they "could" be installed on a semi-auto gun? Could we come up with some examples?
I feel magazine limits are harder to argue against in a way that appeals to the undecideds, so it seems advantageous that the bill includes so much nonsense that is easily argued against.
What's the latest the bill could be re-amended?
I'll match his Bronze star and raise him a Meritorious Service Medal, a pair of Army Commendations, a pair of Army Acheivements, and a Combat Infantry Badge. My two Distinguished Badges trump his Expert. Wikipedia says his service ended with a helicopter crash, no mention if he was shot down or just a bad landing.
As not-a-veteran, I'll never feel comfortable speaking against a veteran's vet-cred, so thank you for doing so, it's an important thing to do. I didn't realize he met Wikipedia's notability guidelines. ::)
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Doesn’t 134-8(a) just straight out prohibit possession of the attachments which would basically prohibit most semis by default?
yep
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBKjxwh9YTA
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Not clear if someone currently possessing a rifle with one or more of the 8 “attachment” characteristics would be grandfathered or even be able to pass them down to someones kid or would their firearms become illegal to own under this bill, exception being antique firearms under their definition? I get the .50 cal, pistols and mags not being grandfathered but the attachment part is somewhat ambiguous, to me at anyways. Seems like an attempt to accomplish what the original bill had but wordsmithing intentionally to confuse other legislators in order to accomplish his original objective....essentally a assult weapons ban and a lot of semi-auto other weapons to boot. just not clear to me.
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Total BS.
What is this? Section 9. This act shall take effect on April 14, 2112.
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Not clear if someone currently possessing a rifle with one or more of the 8 “attachment” characteristics would be grandfathered or even be able to pass them down to someones kid or would their firearms become illegal to own under this bill, exception being antique firearms under their definition? I get the .50 cal, pistols and mags not being grandfathered but the attachment part is somewhat ambiguous, to me at anyways. Seems like an attempt to accomplish what the original bill had but wordsmithing intentionally to confuse other legislators in order to accomplish his original objective....essentally a assult weapons ban and a lot of semi-auto other weapons to boot. just not clear to me.
I read it as not being able to possess the attachments alone. Doesn’t even need to be attached to a firearm.
Ownership, etc., of automatic firearms, silencers, etc., prohibited; penalties. (a) The manufacture, possession, sale, barter, trade, gift, transfer, or acquisition of any of the following is prohibited: assault pistols, except as provided by section 134-4(e); .50 caliber rifles, except as provided by section 134-4(f); assault weapon attachments; automatic firearms; rifles with barrel lengths less than sixteen inches; shotguns with barrel lengths less than eighteen inches; cannons; mufflers, silencers, or devices for deadening or muffling the sound of discharged firearms; hand grenades, dynamite, blasting caps, bombs, or bombshells, or other explosives; or any type of ammunition or any projectile component thereof coated with teflon or any other similar coating designed primarily to enhance its capability to penetrate metal or pierce protective armor; and any type of ammunition or any projectile component thereof designed or intended to explode or segment upon impact with its target.
(e) Any person who intentionally or knowingly violates subsection (a) or (b) shall be guilty of a class C felony and shall be imprisoned for a term of five years without probation.
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Total BS.
What is this? Section 9. This act shall take effect on April 14, 2112.
it's a placeholder date
it will be edited on the final vote
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so...
kept all the framework for defining "assault weapons".
removed grandfather for existing "assault weapons".
added grandfather for only 50 cals.
added ban on greater than 20 round mags unless permanently blocked
meaning....
"assault weapon attachments" are anything that defines an assault weapon - threaded barrel, pistol grip, hand grip, folding stock, flash suppressor, etc
possession of "assault weapon attachment", if "knowingly or intentionally" is a class c felony "shall be inprisoned for 5 years without probation"
no grandfather for greater than 20 round mags, also, violation is a misdemeanor, unless inserted into a firearm, then its a class c felony.
A single modern AR has 4 "assault weapon attachments" on it, threaded barrel, flash supressor, pistol grip, hand guard. thats 4 felonies for one firearm.
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Total BS.
What is this? Section 9. This act shall take effect on April 14, 2112.
they change the effective date to a "defective date" when they know the bill still needs work/discussion. happens in many bills.
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My bolt action rifle has a threaded barrel and flash suppressor. Came with two 10-rd mags.
Is this an assault weapon?
Because if it is then this whole fiasco is a circus and total BS.
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My bolt action rifle has a threaded barrel and flash suppressor. Came with two 10-rd mags.
Is this an assault weapon?
Because if it is then this whole fiasco is a circus and total BS.
gotta be semi-automatic (for now):
"(3) A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine or that may be readily modified to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following characteristics:"
however, the flash supressor is maybe still considered an "assault weapon attachment". so possession of it would be a class c felony. if you have a chassis bolt gun, the folding stock and pistol grip would also possibly be classified as assault weapon attachments. I think this is a good angle for the next round of testimony.
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My bolt action rifle has a threaded barrel and flash suppressor. Came with two 10-rd mags.
Is this an assault weapon?
Because if it is then this whole fiasco is a circus and total BS.
This is my current understanding of the bill as it is written. I could be wrong.
“Assault rifles” are being defined as semiautomatic rifles so no to the bolt action question.
My concern would be more on the bolt rifle’s attachments and whether they’re interchangeable and could be installed on something like an AR platform. The bill currently prohibits “assault weapon attachments”.
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chassis gun is also gonna have handguards, and bipods can be considered protruding grips.
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gotta be semi-automatic (for now):
"(3) A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine or that may be readily modified to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following characteristics:"
however, the flash supressor is maybe still considered an "assault weapon attachment".
This is my current understanding of the bill as it is written. I could be wrong.
“Assault rifles” are being defined as semiautomatic rifles so no to the bolt action question.
My concern would be more on the bolt rifle’s attachments and whether they’re interchangeable and could be installed on something like an AR platform. The bill currently prohibits “assault weapon attachments”.
Thanks guys, I'm so overwhelmed by the BS I forgot that it pertains only to semi-autos. (For the time being ::))
But I believe the flash suppressor can be installed on an AR platform.
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I need somebody to explain how the bill no longer bans "assault rifles" or "assault shotguns" when 134-8 says "The... possession... of any of the following is prohibited: assault pistols... assault rifles... assault shotguns... assault weapon attachments..."
There's this wonderful circular reference where 134-8 points to exclusions in 134-4, and 134-4 points to exclusions in 134-8.
I think it's a fair assumption that whoever was editing the bill was up against the deadline and was hamfisting the language to try and make a workable draft.
Theoretically if the bill is trying to define "assault weapon attachment", it would have to keep all of the language that defines "assault weapon".
The law defines "assault weapon attachment" as "any device capable of being attached to a firearm that is specifically designed for making or converting a firearm into an assault pistol, assault rifle, or assault shotgun." I imagine the "specifically designed" phrase as doing a lot of heavy lifting, and it could be interpreted in two extremes... Either a part is NOT an assault weapon attachment as long as it has a single use on a non-semiauto firearm... Or a part IS an assault-weapon attachment if it could single-handedly turn a semiauto rifle into an assault weapon.
I see major ambiguity there. I'd need to look at similar language in the other states to see how it was interpreted there.
My bolt action rifle has a threaded barrel and flash suppressor. Came with two 10-rd mags.
Is this an assault weapon?
Because if it is then this whole fiasco is a circus and total BS.
My read is that your rifle would be fine because nothing in the bill bans non-semiauto rifles as long as they aren't 50 caliber.
Your flash suppressor could theoretically be welded onto a non-assault weapon, so that could be deemed illegal.
And your threaded barrel, if it was capable of being installed on a semiauto weapon, could be deemed illegal.
But this law just seems totally not to be amended in the way they said it was amended so I'm just really confused about the whole thing.
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I think it's a fair assumption that whoever was editing the bill was up against the deadline and was hamfisting the language to try and make a workable draft.
Theoretically if the bill is trying to define "assault weapon attachment", it would have to keep all of the language that defines "assault weapon".
During the hearing I noticed attachments weren't mentioned being removed. It was concerning however I assumed it would have to be removed at the same time to make the bill work as Rhoads amended it. The attorneys at the capitol rewrite the bill with what they're given
I'm not sure if Rhoads did it on purpose with his history of past antics, or it was a mistake as he don't know much about guns.
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During the hearing I noticed attachments weren't mentioned being removed. It was concerning however I assumed it would have to be removed at the same time to make the bill work as Rhoads amended it. The attorneys at the capitol rewrite the bill with what they're given
I'm not sure if Rhoads did it on purpose with his history of past antics, or it was a mistake as he don't know much about guns.
In my opinion, Rhoads as a political leader needs to learn as much about what he is trying to ban for him to be regarded with respect and integrity.
To try to ban what he is trying to ban while showing he has no real integral knowledge of what he is banning only shows he is pushing an agenda.
He doesn't care. That's what I get from all of this.
And I don't think for one minute he thinks this SB3196 will decrease crime and increase safety for the people. He might not know a lot about firearms but he's not stupid.
This guy is going for a complete ban on all firearms from citizens. SB3196 is just a stepping stone.
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Taking a piece of a pie little by little. It is going to come to a point where the theives will get their hands chopped off.
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In my opinion, Rhoads as a political leader needs to learn as much about what he is trying to ban for him to be regarded with respect and integrity.
To try to ban what he is trying to ban while showing he has no real integral knowledge of what he is banning only shows he is pushing an agenda.
He doesn't care. That's what I get from all of this.
And I don't think for one minute he thinks this SB3196 will decrease crime and increase safety for the people. He might not know a lot about firearms but he's not stupid.
This guy is going for a complete ban on all firearms from citizens. SB3196 is just a stepping stone.
If he doesn't care, then he and those like him aren't consenting their decisions to the will of the people. You know how the rest goes.
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at the hearing, he (approx) said, "we are trying to define the line from a knife to a nuclear weapon what should not be allowed"
In my opinion, Rhoads as a political leader needs to learn as much about what he is trying to ban for him to be regarded with respect and integrity.
To try to ban what he is trying to ban while showing he has no real integral knowledge of what he is banning only shows he is pushing an agenda.
He doesn't care. That's what I get from all of this.
And I don't think for one minute he thinks this SB3196 will decrease crime and increase safety for the people. He might not know a lot about firearms but he's not stupid.
This guy is going for a complete ban on all firearms from citizens. SB3196 is just a stepping stone.
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at the hearing, he (approx) said, "we are trying to define the line from a knife to a nuclear weapon what should not be allowed"
I think there might be one or two laws already on the books regarding nukes and other WMDs.
Maybe he needs to do some research before reinventing the proverbial wheel?
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i didn't say he was trying to ban nukes, i said he was trying to draw a line...
I think there might be one or two laws already on the books regarding nukes and other WMDs.
Maybe he needs to do some research before reinventing the proverbial wheel?
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i didn't say he was trying to ban nukes, i said he was trying to draw a line...
And, I, too, didn't mention banning nukes, did I?
I said: there are already laws regarding nukes -- implying that the line you stated he's "trying to draw" already exists.
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ah ok
he's trying to draw the line further from nukes to assault rifles and assault shotguns
he got denied, so he is trying to draw it at .50cal
And, I, too, didn't mention banning nukes, did I?
I said: there are already laws regarding nukes -- implying that the line you stated he's "trying to draw" already exists.
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ah ok
he's trying to draw the line further from nukes to assault rifles and assault shotguns
he got denied, so he is trying to draw it at .50cal
I'm not saying what he's trying to do -- you said he did.
I only mentioned that nukes are not part of the equation. If he said that, it's nothing but hyperbolic nonsense.
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Let me try to translate, "all assault weapons bad!!!"
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So SB3196 passed the Senate JDC committee where they did some smoke and mirrors and will it now go to the Senate for vote?
Any chance it can die there?
Or is the Senate vote just pomp and circumstance (translation: waste of money and time with bureaucratic Bullsh*t fanfare) and SB3196 is a done deal with it's backdoor re-shuffling of legalese intact?
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So SB3196 passed the Senate JDC committee where they did some smoke and mirrors and will it now go to the Senate for vote?
Any chance it can die there?
Or is the Senate vote just pomp and circumstance (translation: waste of money and time with bureaucratic Bullsh*t fanfare) and SB3196 is a done deal with it's backdoor re-shuffling of legalese intact?
Never mind. Disregard. Just saw this:
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=52840.0