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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: jake_eizy on March 13, 2024, 11:49:40 AM
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As the title mentions I will be moving from CA to Oahu this Fall. I have a few questions about gun laws/hunting and was happy to find this active 2A community.
I am planning to bring all my firearms. From reading online it seems I have two weeks upon arrival to visit the Honolulu police department to register all guns. Is that correct? Do I need an appointment/call before hand?
Seems like all my CA legal firearms are good to go? No standard cap mags and no NFA items are the only restrictions?
I have a CCW in CA and have a clean record with no mental health issues. Is Honolulu police department handing out CCWs if I complete all the necessary steps? What is the time line?
Looks like there is one public range. Any IDPA or USPSA comps? Pistol range minimum 25 yards?(!). I have steel targets, not worth it to bring?
I will also be brining my bird dog, yes started that lengthy vet process. Hawaii govt website shows many upland bird species to hunt. Is that accurate? Seems like two parcels of land open for upland on Oahu.
For mammals, it seems goats and pigs on Oahua and Lanai has good Axis and Mouflon. Obviously will be brining my spearfishing set up but would love to try an arrow or use my 6.5 for "big" game. Any insight on that?
Thanks for your time.
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Wecome to the forum Jake. This should get you started till others chime in.
https://www.honolulupd.org/police-services/firearms/#tab-gunlaws
https://www.honolulupd.org/police-services/firearms/#tab-registration
See Out of State Registration, No appointment necessary.
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=15582.0
Start on page 57 and work your way back. The "action bays" at Koko Head for clubs are just starting to open up.
CCW
https://www.honolulupd.org/police-services/firearms/#tab-licensetocarryfirearm
I don't hunt but I'm sure some hunters will chime in.
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As the title mentions I will be moving from CA to Oahu this Fall. I have a few questions about gun laws/hunting and was happy to find this active 2A community.
I am planning to bring all my firearms. From reading online it seems I have two weeks upon arrival to visit the Honolulu police department to register all guns. Is that correct? Do I need an appointment/call before hand?
You have 5 days from when the gun lands on Oahu to go to HPD and register it in person with the firearm. Don't bring ammo or mags.
Seems like all my CA legal firearms are good to go? No standard cap mags and no NFA items are the only restrictions?
Yes.
I have a CCW in CA and have a clean record with no mental health issues. Is Honolulu police department handing out CCWs if I complete all the necessary steps? What is the time line?
HPD is issuing CCWs, but you have to go thru the HI hoops. THere is no reciprocity with CA. Once you turn the forms in, ETA is 2-3 months. But some have been waiting a year. So roll of the dice.
Looks like there is one public range. Any IDPA or USPSA comps? Pistol range minimum 25 yards?(!). I have steel targets, not worth it to bring?
The area of the range that houses the IDPA just opened last week. Unsure if steel is allowed due to new range rules. I would say, don't bring them. Yes pistol min range is 25 yards. No holster draw, 5rds max per mag. No rapid fire.
I will also be brining my bird dog, yes started that lengthy vet process. Hawaii govt website shows many upland bird species to hunt. Is that accurate? Seems like two parcels of land open for upland on Oahu.
For mammals, it seems goats and pigs on Oahua and Lanai has good Axis and Mouflon. Obviously will be brining my spearfishing set up but would love to try an arrow or use my 6.5 for "big" game. Any insight on that?
Thanks for your time.
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Wecome to the forum Jake. This should get you started till others chime in.
https://www.honolulupd.org/police-services/firearms/#tab-gunlaws
https://www.honolulupd.org/police-services/firearms/#tab-registration
See Out of State Registration, No appointment necessary.
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=15582.0
Start on page 57 and work your way back. The "action bays" at Koko Head for clubs are just starting to open up.
CCW
https://www.honolulupd.org/police-services/firearms/#tab-licensetocarryfirearm
I don't hunt but I'm sure some hunters will chime in.
For the out of state registration is it $44 per gun or is that for one background check for all the firearms?
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one time
For the out of state registration is it $44 per gun or is that for one background check for all the firearms?
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The actions bays at KHSC (public range on Oahu) does host USPSA/IPSC competitions. NO IDPA events. There are a few different USPSA/IPSC groups. It used to be that there was a competition every weekend, but after the shutdown, only a few groups have started back up.
If you are DoD (.mil or .civ), you can join Schofield Rod and Gun Club. They have rifle and pistol ranges, along with shotgun. I haven't gone in years, but another opportunity.
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As the title mentions I will be moving from CA to Oahu this Fall. I have a few questions about gun laws/hunting and was happy to find this active 2A community.
I am planning to bring all my firearms. From reading online it seems I have two weeks upon arrival to visit the Honolulu police department to register all guns. Is that correct? Do I need an appointment/call before hand?
Seems like all my CA legal firearms are good to go? No standard cap mags and no NFA items are the only restrictions?
I have a CCW in CA and have a clean record with no mental health issues. Is Honolulu police department handing out CCWs if I complete all the necessary steps? What is the time line?
Looks like there is one public range. Any IDPA or USPSA comps? Pistol range minimum 25 yards?(!). I have steel targets, not worth it to bring?
I will also be brining my bird dog, yes started that lengthy vet process. Hawaii govt website shows many upland bird species to hunt. Is that accurate? Seems like two parcels of land open for upland on Oahu.
For mammals, it seems goats and pigs on Oahua and Lanai has good Axis and Mouflon. Obviously will be brining my spearfishing set up but would love to try an arrow or use my 6.5 for "big" game. Any insight on that?
Thanks for your time.
no AR pistols allowed in Hawaii. or semi-auto pistols where the mag well is not in the pistol grip. something like that.
I'm not sure what-all is still allowed in commie-fornia.
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Thank you every one for the quick responses. As messed up as it sounds, I am looking forward to more relaxed gun laws in Hawaii, relative to CA. 8+ month for CCW approval, handgun roster, and fixed mag ARs are brutal to deal with. My guess ammo cost will be pricey, any regulations against me bringing ammo into the state? Another enjoyable California law....
The actions bays at KHSC (public range on Oahu) does host USPSA/IPSC competitions. NO IDPA events. There are a few different USPSA/IPSC groups. It used to be that there was a competition every weekend, but after the shutdown, only a few groups have started back up.
If you are DoD (.mil or .civ), you can join Schofield Rod and Gun Club. They have rifle and pistol ranges, along with shotgun. I haven't gone in years, but another opportunity.
Are the action bays the "cowboy" shooting area on the website? Will there be times in which that bay will allow 7 yard targets and from the holster? Do any indoor ranges allow from the holster? Not military affiliated.
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Thank you every one for the quick responses. As messed up as it sounds, I am looking forward to more relaxed gun laws in Hawaii, relative to CA. 8+ month for CCW approval, handgun roster, and fixed mag ARs are brutal to deal with. My guess ammo cost will be pricey, any regulations against me bringing ammo into the state? Another enjoyable California law....
1) Are the action bays the "cowboy" shooting area on the website? 2) Will there be times in which that bay will allow 7 yard targets and from the holster? 3) Do any indoor ranges allow from the holster? Not military affiliated.
1) Yes, but that's with the groups that do "cowboy action shooting". Before the shutdown, there was at least one group that used to do cowboy action shooting. Usually was a good sized group, with many folks geared up with cowboy attire. Looked like good fun!
2) Yes, but again depending on the group. To be clear, the bays are available to groups/club/organization, and assigned days by the range manager. So you have to be part of a group/club that utilize the bays.
3) There are only a few indoor ranges on Oahu. Each has their own policy. I only have experience at 808GC, where I have shot from holster.
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1) Yes, but that's with the groups that do "cowboy action shooting". Before the shutdown, there was at least one group that used to do cowboy action shooting. Usually was a good sized group, with many folks geared up with cowboy attire. Looked like good fun!
2) Yes, but again depending on the group. To be clear, the bays are available to groups/club/organization, and assigned days by the range manager. So you have to be part of a group/club that utilize the bays.
3) There are only a few indoor ranges on Oahu. Each has their own policy. I only have experience at 808GC, where I have shot from holster.
To clarify, the bays that only orgs/clubs/groups can use are used by them. An individual cannot go by themselves and set up their own targets. These groups often have "open shoots" where people can come and set up their own Kokohead compliant targets that have distances from 3 yards up to 40 yards, depending on how the bay is set up. An example is Hawaii Rifle Association (HRA) used to have the bays once or twice a month. This was prior to the range shut down back in 2022. Last weekend was the first organization to use the bays since 2022 and was USPSA. I don't think they have "open shoots".
Open shoots are when people can come and shoot their own ammo and targets. Often the rules are less strict than at the pistol bullseye side or rifle bench side of Koko Head Shooting Complex. Pre shutdown, in the bays and open shoots, they allowed rapid fire (mag dumps) as long as it's controlled. As in you not shooting at the dirt or in the sky. They allowed holstering and slinging rifles. They allowed steel targets at closer ranges for pistol, further distance for rifle steel targets. These open shoots were fun becuase you can make friends and often they let you shoot their guns to try. Plus the distances are more realistic of going for a self defense situation.
Groups would also host "skill builders" in the bays prior to the shut down. These were basically classes.
So the above is unknown as the bay's just repopened last weekend for the first time in 2 years. I'm sure HI has decided not to allow the fun stuff.
There are only 2 indoor ranges on Oahu. 1 is in Waipahu and they require you to take a class before allowing you to holster a handgun. I refuse to do this as it's a money grab or spend money at this range if all possible. The other 808 Gun Club allows holstering without taking a class first. But check with them first, they often want to observe you to make sure you know what you're doing first.
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To clarify, the bays that only orgs/clubs/groups can use are used by them. An individual cannot go by themselves and set up their own targets. These groups often have "open shoots" where people can come and set up their own Kokohead compliant targets that have distances from 3 yards up to 40 yards, depending on how the bay is set up. An example is Hawaii Rifle Association (HRA) used to have the bays once or twice a month. This was prior to the range shut down back in 2022. Last weekend was the first organization to use the bays since 2022 and was USPSA. I don't think they have "open shoots".
Open shoots are when people can come and shoot their own ammo and targets. Often the rules are less strict than at the pistol bullseye side or rifle bench side of Koko Head Shooting Complex. Pre shutdown, in the bays and open shoots, they allowed rapid fire (mag dumps) as long as it's controlled. As in you not shooting at the dirt or in the sky. They allowed holstering and slinging rifles. They allowed steel targets at closer ranges for pistol, further distance for rifle steel targets. These open shoots were fun becuase you can make friends and often they let you shoot their guns to try. Plus the distances are more realistic of going for a self defense situation.
Groups would also host "skill builders" in the bays prior to the shut down. These were basically classes.
So the above is unknown as the bay's just repopened last weekend for the first time in 2 years. I'm sure HI has decided not to allow the fun stuff.
There are only 2 indoor ranges on Oahu. 1 is in Waipahu and they require you to take a class before allowing you to holster a handgun. I refuse to do this as it's a money grab or spend money at this range if all possible. The other 808 Gun Club allows holstering without taking a class first. But check with them first, they often want to observe you to make sure you know what you're doing first.
Great thank you for this detailed infomation. Besides HRA and checking practiscore for USPSA events, do you have any other clubs/orgs I should look into?
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To clarify, the bays that only orgs/clubs/groups can use are used by them. An individual cannot go by themselves and set up their own targets. These groups often have "open shoots" where people can come and set up their own Kokohead compliant targets that have distances from 3 yards up to 40 yards, depending on how the bay is set up. An example is Hawaii Rifle Association (HRA) used to have the bays once or twice a month. This was prior to the range shut down back in 2022. Last weekend was the first organization to use the bays since 2022 and was USPSA. I don't think they have "open shoots".
Open shoots are when people can come and shoot their own ammo and targets. Often the rules are less strict than at the pistol bullseye side or rifle bench side of Koko Head Shooting Complex. Pre shutdown, in the bays and open shoots, they allowed rapid fire (mag dumps) as long as it's controlled. As in you not shooting at the dirt or in the sky. They allowed holstering and slinging rifles. They allowed steel targets at closer ranges for pistol, further distance for rifle steel targets. These open shoots were fun becuase you can make friends and often they let you shoot their guns to try. Plus the distances are more realistic of going for a self defense situation.
Groups would also host "skill builders" in the bays prior to the shut down. These were basically classes.
So the above is unknown as the bay's just repopened last weekend for the first time in 2 years. I'm sure HI has decided not to allow the fun stuff.
There are only 2 indoor ranges on Oahu. 1 is in Waipahu and they require you to take a class before allowing you to holster a handgun. I refuse to do this as it's a money grab or spend money at this range if all possible. The other 808 Gun Club allows holstering without taking a class first. But check with them first, they often want to observe you to make sure you know what you're doing first.
It is known. . . 8)
OP - Expect mostly competitions or groups doing classes. Mostly in reaction to new gun laws which took effect 1 Jan 2024.
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Join HiFiCo, Hawaii Rifle Association, Hawaii Defense Foundation.
HiFiCo is leading the charge with lawsuits against all the infringement here.
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It is known. . . 8)
OP - Expect mostly competitions or groups doing classes. Mostly in reaction to new gun laws which took effect 1 Jan 2024.
What are some of the new laws? CA had their wave of new laws/infringements as well.
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What are some of the new laws? CA had their wave of new laws/infringements as well.
SB3196
Prior to 1/1/24; everyone had to take a handgun safety class in order to buy any handgun (from FFL or private party). THis class was good for life. Now, EVERYONE has to retake the class because all instructors have to be approved by HPD (police department). And now the class taken is only good for 4 years. Then you have to take another one. The prior class could be taught by any NRA instructor, without police approval of the instructor.
Prior to 1/1/24, you didn't need a class to buy a rifle or shotgun. Now you do and it's only good for 4 years.
Then effective in July 2023, the sensitive places law for CCW holders took effect.
Also effective 1/1/24; they changed the CCW requirement and EVERYONE who applies now needs new class as they added more course material. But, on a good note, the new CCW's are valid for 4 years, instead of just 1 year. But they also increased the fee from $10 to $150. And an automatic denial after 120 days with no refund of your $150.
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SB3196
Prior to 1/1/24; everyone had to take a handgun safety class in order to buy any handgun (from FFL or private party). THis class was good for life. Now, EVERYONE has to retake the class because all instructors have to be approved by HPD (police department). And now the class taken is only good for 4 years. Then you have to take another one. The prior class could be taught by any NRA instructor, without police approval of the instructor.
Prior to 1/1/24, you didn't need a class to buy a rifle or shotgun. Now you do and it's only good for 4 years.
Then effective in July 2023, the sensitive places law for CCW holders took effect.
Also effective 1/1/24; they changed the CCW requirement and EVERYONE who applies now needs new class as they added more course material. But, on a good note, the new CCW's are valid for 4 years, instead of just 1 year. But they also increased the fee from $10 to $150. And an automatic denial after 120 days with no refund of your $150.
Did the sensitive places bill go into effect? We have a similiar one in CA but most of it got struck down quickly and now going through the the lengthy court process. Did all of it go into effect or only portions? The bill is almost identical to CA.
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Did the sensitive places bill go into effect? We have a similiar one in CA but most of it got struck down quickly and now going through the the lengthy court process. Did all of it go into effect or only portions? The bill is almost identical to CA.
Yes, but parts of it are not enforceable due to a Hawaii Firearms Coalitition (HIFICO) lawsuit.
So as it stands now, no can CCW in:
Government buildings
Government parking lots, unless its shared with other businesses (HIFICO injunction)
Schools
Hospitals
Any where that has a official city and county sign for no guns allowed. And it has to be visible from the outside of the entrance. So the ones that big corps like T-mobile uses, don't have the weight of the law.
Peoples residents (home, condo, apartment, etc...), but OK to carry if you get their permission (express consent)
Hotels, unless you're checking in/out and go straight to the room.
Where you can carry due to the injunction:
Parks/beaches
Government parking lots that are shared with another entity.
Restaurants that serve alcohol
The default ban on all private businesses is gone, unless they have the above said signage.
Banks
I suggest you become a HIFICO member, as they are the only group fighting for our 2a right in HI. With the exception to 1 NAGR lawsuit that was filed last year.
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I didn't see it mentioned, but rifle magazines of any capacity are legal.
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I didn't see it mentioned, but rifle magazines of any capacity are legal.
That's not exactly how it works here.
Rifle mags for which there is no pistol capable of using the same mags -- and having over 10 rd capacity -- are legal.
They made that part of the law unnecessarily complicated.
Letter of the law: AR mags over 10 rd size are banned, because AR pistols exist. But, since semi-auto AR pistols are prohibited here, there's no legal way to have an AR semi-auto rifle and an AR semi-auto pistol share the same >10rd mag. So, that specific case is not enforced here AFAIK.
However, if you have a carbine rifle that uses Glock 9mm mags, those are definitley limited to 10rds.
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That's not exactly how it works here.
Rifle mags for which there is no pistol capable of using the same mags -- and having over 10 rd capacity -- are legal.
They made that part of the law unnecessarily complicated.
Letter of the law: AR mags over 10 rd size are banned, because AR pistols exist. But, since semi-auto AR pistols are prohibited here, there's no legal way to have an AR semi-auto rifle and an AR semi-auto pistol share the same >10rd mag. So, that specific case is not enforced here AFAIK.
However, if you have a carbine rifle that uses Glock 9mm mags, those are definitley limited to 10rds.
So my handguns are limited to 10 rounds but my rifle mags can have >10 rounds until a law changes and allows semi-auto AR pistols?
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only enforced as a lesser included infraction if used in a crime
That's not exactly how it works here.
Rifle mags for which there is no pistol capable of using the same mags -- and having over 10 rd capacity -- are legal.
They made that part of the law unnecessarily complicated.
Letter of the law: AR mags over 10 rd size are banned, because AR pistols exist. But, since semi-auto AR pistols are prohibited here, there's no legal way to have an AR semi-auto rifle and an AR semi-auto pistol share the same >10rd mag. So, that specific case is not enforced here AFAIK.
However, if you have a carbine rifle that uses Glock 9mm mags, those are definitley limited to 10rds.
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you can have more than 10 round glock mags as long as you own a legal rifle that uses the mags and do not insert them in a pistol...
That's not exactly how it works here.
Rifle mags for which there is no pistol capable of using the same mags -- and having over 10 rd capacity -- are legal.
They made that part of the law unnecessarily complicated.
Letter of the law: AR mags over 10 rd size are banned, because AR pistols exist. But, since semi-auto AR pistols are prohibited here, there's no legal way to have an AR semi-auto rifle and an AR semi-auto pistol share the same >10rd mag. So, that specific case is not enforced here AFAIK.
However, if you have a carbine rifle that uses Glock 9mm mags, those are definitley limited to 10rds.
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That's not exactly how it works here.
Rifle mags for which there is no pistol capable of using the same mags -- and having over 10 rd capacity -- are legal.
They made that part of the law unnecessarily complicated.
Letter of the law: AR mags over 10 rd size are banned, because AR pistols exist. But, since semi-auto AR pistols are prohibited here, there's no legal way to have an AR semi-auto rifle and an AR semi-auto pistol share the same >10rd mag. So, that specific case is not enforced here AFAIK.
However, if you have a carbine rifle that uses Glock 9mm mags, those are definitley limited to 10rds.
The HRS defines what an "assault pistol" is. And because of that, the HRS only says "fits into a pistol" and not fits into a firearm or fits into an assault pistol. Which is why they try to ban the rifle mags every few years and delete the word "pistol" and replace it with the word "firearm" . So whether the pmag fits into an AR pistol, is irrelevant.
Rifle mags are legal.
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So my handguns are limited to 10 rounds but my rifle mags can have >10 rounds until a law changes and allows semi-auto AR pistols?
Yes, or if the law changes to all firearm mags.
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you can have more than 10 round glock mags as long as you own a legal rifle that uses the mags and do not insert them in a pistol...
having a pistol mag alone would be a misdemeanor and not a felony until it's inserted into a pistol. But with the new law, a firearm misdemeanor also takes away your 2A right for 20 years. Too bad no many cared to testify against this new law.
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§134-8 Ownership, etc., of automatic firearms, silencers, etc., prohibited; penalties.
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(c) The manufacture, possession, sale, barter, trade, gift, transfer, or acquisition of detachable ammunition magazines with a capacity in excess of ten rounds which are designed for or capable of use with a pistol is prohibited. This subsection shall not apply to magazines originally designed to accept more than ten rounds of ammunition which have been modified to accept no more than ten rounds and which are not capable of being readily restored to a capacity of more than ten rounds.
(d) Any person violating subsection (a) or (b) shall be guilty of a class C felony and shall be imprisoned for a term of five years without probation. Any person violating subsection (c) shall be guilty of a misdemeanor except when a detachable magazine prohibited under this section is possessed while inserted into a pistol in which case the person shall be guilty of a class C felony. [L 1988, c 275, pt of §2; am L 1989, c 261, §6 and c 263, §4; am L 1992, c 286, §§3, 4]
I can't find "as long as you own a legal rifle that uses the mags and do not insert them in a pistol" anywhere.
My understanding has always been "designed for or capable of use in a pistol" is the key, not whether you actually own a pistol that accepts the same mags as your long gun.
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point taken
let me modify my answer then
also not enforced unless used in a crime as a lesser included offense...
I can't find "as long as you own a legal rifle that uses the mags and do not insert them in a pistol" anywhere.
My understanding has always been "designed for or capable of use in a pistol" is the key, not whether you actually own a pistol that accepts the same mags as your long gun.
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I can't find "as long as you own a legal rifle that uses the mags and do not insert them in a pistol" anywhere.
My understanding has always been "designed for or capable of use in a pistol" is the key, not whether you actually own a pistol that accepts the same mags as your long gun.
Hi has a separate definition as to what an "assault pistol" is. So what you highlighted doesn't state "assault pistol" at all. It should state "fits into a pistol and/or assault pistol" or "fits into a firearm".
Which is why when they try to ban rifle mags, they have deleted the word "pistol" and replaced it with the word "firearm". If said mags are already illegal, why do they try to ban them ever few years?
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Hi has a separate definition as to what an "assault pistol" is. So what you highlighted doesn't state "assault pistol" at all. It should state "fits into a pistol and/or assault pistol" or "fits into a firearm".
Which is why when they try to ban rifle mags, they have deleted the word "pistol" and replaced it with the word "firearm". If said mags are already illegal, why do they try to ban them ever few years?
"Pistol" is a category with a specific set of characteristics.
"Assault pistol" incorporates the same characteristics as a pistol but add additional ones, making it a sub-category of pistol. So, "pistol" is sufficient. What i will grant is that the term pistol only applies to "assault pistol" if someone leaves the action as semi-auto. If that's disabled to make it hrs134 compliant, then it no longer qualifies as either an assault pistol or a pistol -- by definition. it's now a single-shot handgun. :crazy:
They replaced "pistol" with "firearms" because they originally created a loophole for >10rd mags. That loophole is ambiguous, arbitrary and confusing, which is why it's rarely if ever enforced as the primary charge.
I think they are proposing the change to make the magazine limitation uniform, realizing the way it is now makes the law difficult to apply. The assault pistol issue is the best example of how difficult it can be. If they'd left assault pistols alone and allowed them here, them there would be no question, based on the rifle/pistol mag sharing criteria, any AR rifle mags over 10 rds would be banned. Banning assault pistols muddied the water by essentially taking them out of the equation -- there are no semi-auto AR pistols with removable mags allowed. Hence, the effect is to allow AR mags to use >10rds mags based on deductive reasoning.
This highlights a major issue with the laws here. You have to be charged with a gun-related crime in order to find out how a judge or jury will interpret the law. Until then, there's no official read on what the law intends nor means -- the two are not always in sync.