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General Topics => Political Discussion => Topic started by: hvybarrels on March 27, 2024, 02:35:13 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJDmhLlvQNU
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What if the situation is simpler than "crazy people run amok?
What if it's a combination of too many people in one densely populated area and one person gets the "road rage fever?" The video offered no insight into the actual motivations of the perps, so for all we know, some of them could have been a driver experiencing a medical emergency. Not all, but some.
This is one reason I hate the statistical comparison of mass shootings between the US and other countries. Mass murders should be examined together without isolating only those involving guns.
(https://i.imgur.com/SGjUW0f.png)
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We had a pretty good discussion on theories of mass murder back in May of 2023.
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=49852.msg451859#msg451859
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I have another theory...
What if the Chinese public is starting to lean towards western philosophies?
The Chinese government might be performing false flag operations to justify more restrictions on personal freedoms.
Just a theory.
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We had a pretty good discussion on theories of mass murder back in May of 2023.
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=49852.msg451859#msg451859
All good insight, but it would be nice if the media would do the same insightful journalism and stop blaming "gun culture."
The video dude also mentioned 2 suicides at the same hospital in one week. As we know, mass murders are often a suicidal act that happens to involve killing others on the way out. I suspect when viewed from this vantage point, the number of suicides is much higher than reported.
Maybe the government should issue free DIY Seppuku kits?
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All good insight, but it would be nice if the media would do the same insightful journalism and stop blaming "gun culture."
The video dude also mentioned 2 suicides at the same hospital in one week. As we know, mass murders are often a suicidal act that happens to involve killing others on the way out. I suspect when viewed from this vantage point, the number of suicides is much higher than reported.
Maybe the government should issue free DIY Seppuku kits?
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There are a lot of suicides here in Hawaii, but media outlets are not allowed to report it.
FYI
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There are a lot of suicides here in Hawaii, but media outlets are not allowed to report it.
FYI
Yeah, i think that started in the 70s or so. There were reports of high schoolers committing suicide, and others subsequently followed. There appeared to be a pattern of suicide - reporting - more suicides. It was theorized that publicizing suicides leads to copycats or might trigger a deeper depression in some which leads to suicide.
The press agreed to stop reporting suicides at all.
That "policy" may be changing -- starting in Australia. Since the general mental health decline caused or exacerbated by the pandemic, some are arguing it's important to get these deaths publicized so we can talk about suicide to help others evaluate their own mental health. Keeping suicides covered up may be doing more harm now than good, they say.
The way the media reports on suicide is changing — and it's about time
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-10/the-way-the-media-reports-on-suicide-is-changing/9316704
Journalists must overcome their reticence to report on suicide – now more than ever
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/12/journalists-must-overcome-their-reticence-to-report-on-suicide-now-more-than-ever
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I have another theory...
What if the Chinese public is starting to lean towards western philosophies?
The Chinese government might be performing false flag operations to justify more restrictions on personal freedoms.
Just a theory.
As the President of the Tin Foil Hat club, this isn't a good theory. China gov can do what ever they want because they suppress info and rule with an iron fist. There is no need for a false flag operation.
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Xi seems to be focused on following in the foot steps of Mao.
He has taken over large private companies and many prominent people
have disappeared, including military leaders, and CCP officials.
Communists have destroyed many centuries of Chinese culture and replaced it
with their version culture based on a cult of personality.
The CCP does not prosecute the older people known as the grab hags.
This group is regarded as the most loyal generation. As former red guard members
and loyal Maoists, they are left alone even after they commit crimes.
The younger Chinese are ashamed by the antics of the grab hags.
Youtube has videos of the grab hags.
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There are a lot of suicides here in Hawaii, but media outlets are not allowed to report it.
FYI
Some years ago, I spoke to a few cops. The average Jap tourist suicide in Waikiki precovid was 1 a day. Yet the news never reported on this.
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Having spent my whole life learning "stuff"
Plus doing all the stuff American white people are supposed to do eg
Military service, University education, buy home, work till you drop, raise
family, retire at 65( or earlier), yada, yada, yada.
I've learned all men are the same, as are all women
regardless of our nationalities, race or culture.
There are nut cases everywhere!
"when a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound"
Yes it does. Just because nobody heard it or tells us about it
is irrelevant, it happened.
Just like crime in "perfect" societies.
:grrr:
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The video offered no insight into the actual motivations of the perps, so for all we know, some of them could have been a driver experiencing a medical emergency.
You stopped watching the video too early, because there is an explanation.
These things usually happen directly after Xi's annual speech when people feel like they have no control over their lives and start turning on each other
Go to minute 6:28
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You stopped watching the video too early, because there is an explanation.
These things usually happen directly after Xi's annual speech when people feel like they have no control over their lives and start turning on each other
Go to minute 6:28
The content creator of this video is a foreigner and although living and marrying a Chinese woman, he is still definitely anti-China. He judges China using his own Western values and ignores 5,000 years of Chinese history and culture.
Chinese people generally do not care about personal freedoms as does Western people. The only personal freedom Chinese people universally cherish is wealth acquisition. The Chinese economy is not doing as well as it has in its recent past due to US imperial sanctions to its own country and countries that it does business. Naturally, domestic problems will arise in China which is exactly what the sanctions imposed by the US empire was meant to do.
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The content creator of this video is a foreigner and although living and marrying a Chinese woman, he is still definitely anti-China. He judges China using his own Western values and ignores 5,000 years of Chinese history and culture.
Chinese people generally do not care about personal freedoms as does Western people. The only personal freedom Chinese people universally cherish is wealth acquisition. The Chinese economy is not doing as well as it has in its recent past due to US imperial sanctions to its own country and countries that it does business. Naturally, domestic problems will arise in China which is exactly what the sanctions imposed by the US empire was meant to do.
So the timing of a string of mass murders just after Two Sessions is total coincidence?
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The content creator of this video is a foreigner and although living and marrying a Chinese woman, he is still definitely anti-China. He judges China using his own Western values and ignores 5,000 years of Chinese history and culture.
Chinese people generally do not care about personal freedoms as does Western people. The only personal freedom Chinese people universally cherish is wealth acquisition. The Chinese economy is not doing as well as it has in its recent past due to US imperial sanctions to its own country and countries that it does business. Naturally, domestic problems will arise in China which is exactly what the sanctions imposed by the US empire was meant to do.
I find your broad characterization of Chinese people as a stereotypical example of Western hubris and Racism ideologies cemented in your own bias of Asian culture.
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The content creator of this video is a foreigner and although living and marrying a Chinese woman, he is still definitely anti-China. He judges China using his own Western values and ignores 5,000 years of Chinese history and culture.
Chinese people generally do not care about personal freedoms as does Western people. The only personal freedom Chinese people universally cherish is wealth acquisition. The Chinese economy is not doing as well as it has in its recent past due to US imperial sanctions to its own country and countries that it does business. Naturally, domestic problems will arise in China which is exactly what the sanctions imposed by the US empire was meant to do.
One can express respect and acceptance of the Chinese people while simultaneously expressing a dislike for the Chinese government.
Anytime someone uses the word "generally" when describing a race or ethnicity, it flags that statement as a stereotype or oversimplification.
You say Chinese people "universally" cherish wealth acquisition. How does that exclude them from caring about personal freedoms? In all cultures, money is power, and power is freedom. Perhaps the acquisition of wealth is a means to an end: Liberty.
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what?
he said he's "very astute"
no way he's wrong...
I find your broad characterization of Chinese people as a stereotypical example of Western hubris and Racism ideologies cemented in your own bias of Asian culture.
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So the timing of a string of mass murders just after Two Sessions is total coincidence?
I have been and lived in China.
There have always been mass murders, mostly non-political in nature, that happen in China that do not get reported.
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I find your broad characterization of Chinese people as a stereotypical example of Western hubris and Racism ideologies cemented in your own bias of Asian culture.
Have you lived in China for any substantial period of time, learned and used Chinese language in order to deal with common Chinese people in daily life?
I have. :shaka:
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One can express respect and acceptance of the Chinese people while simultaneously expressing a dislike for the Chinese government.
Totally agree.
I respect traditional Americans that believe in the former American republic but despise the US empire.
Anytime someone uses the word "generally" when describing a race or ethnicity, it flags that statement as a stereotype or oversimplification.
Like how some on this forum characterizes and often expresses dislike of what is Hawaiian culture as it has been generally portrayed?
You say Chinese people "universally" cherish wealth acquisition. How does that exclude them from caring about personal freedoms? In all cultures, money is power, and power is freedom. Perhaps the acquisition of wealth is a means to an end: Liberty.
I agree with your take, but it depends on cultural context.
Living in China, most people I dealt with don't care about the protection of personal liberties in the Western context. However, perhaps the acquisition of wealth makes that issue a moot point as those with money are better able to enjoy life, which I suppose can be equated to personal liberty.
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Totally agree.
I respect traditional Americans that believe in the former American republic but despise the US empire.
Like how some on this forum characterizes and often expresses dislike of what is Hawaiian culture as it has been generally portrayed?
I agree with your take, but it depends on cultural context.
Living in China, most people I dealt with don't care about the protection of personal liberties in the Western context. However, perhaps the acquisition of wealth makes that issue a moot point as those with money are better able to enjoy life, which I suppose can be equated to personal liberty.
Interesting observation.
I can't imagine how people give up personal liberty.
That has been my friction with Hawaii since I moved here 24 years ago.
Y'all like being slaves.
I don't.
:grrr:
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Like how some on this forum characterizes and often expresses dislike of what is Hawaiian culture as it has been generally portrayed?
I agree with your take, but it depends on cultural context.
Living in China, most people I dealt with don't care about the protection of personal liberties in the Western context. However, perhaps the acquisition of wealth makes that issue a moot point as those with money are better able to enjoy life, which I suppose can be equated to personal liberty.
When you talk about culture, that's a mile away from talking about the people in general.
Not everyone espouses or adheres to a culture, but the culture exists. Therefore, the culture is fair game for critique and criticism. You're not lumping everyone in a demographic into that group -- just the ones who embrace that culture or some specific part of it.
There can be more than one culture within a race, population or other demographic. Most people choose the cultures they embrace, such as guns and the Second Amendment, art, recreational drugs, religions, unlawful vices, etc.
You can be a practitioner of the Hawaiian culture and also be involved in the US gun culture.
I'm sure there are many of Hawaiian descent who don't embrace Hawaiian culture, especially if they moved away from the islands and like the culture where they are living. Hard to maintain a culture when you and the people in your house are the only ones in 2,500 miles practicing it.
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I was born and raised here. Does that make me an expert on Hawaiian culture?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSTnXH4cwH8
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I was born and raised here. Does that make me an expert on Hawaiian culture?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSTnXH4cwH8
Yes
:shaka:
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I was born and raised here. Does that make me an expert on Hawaiian culture?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSTnXH4cwH8
Only aboriginal Hawaiians and those raised as Hawaiians can truly say that they are experts of Hawaiian culture by virtue of living that lifestyle on a daily basis.
Those who practice some elements of Hawaiian or any culture on a daily basis can realistically claim being familiar of the culture in-question to varying contextual degrees.
Those who do not practice on a daily basis any elements of Hawaiian or any culture for that matter are naturally outsiders whose personal views of that culture should generally be regarded as their own opinions.
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Only aboriginal Hawaiians and those raised as Hawaiians can truly say that they are experts of Hawaiian culture by virtue of living that lifestyle on a daily basis.
Those who practice some elements of Hawaiian or any culture on a daily basis can realistically claim being familiar of the culture in-question to varying contextual degrees.
Those who do not practice on a daily basis any elements of Hawaiian or any culture for that matter are naturally outsiders whose personal views of that culture should generally be regarded as their own opinions.
So, you're saying anyone calling themselves Hawaiian, and who meet your standard of "living that lifestyle on a daily basis", are not Americans?
You can't have it both ways, if culture is your boundary for national identity.
I bet the people living in America in Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Russian, etc. communities living the lifestyle of their ancestors would disagree.
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Only aboriginal Hawaiians and those raised as Hawaiians can truly say that they are experts of Hawaiian culture by virtue of living that lifestyle on a daily basis.
Those who practice some elements of Hawaiian or any culture on a daily basis can realistically claim being familiar of the culture in-question to varying contextual degrees.
Those who do not practice on a daily basis any elements of Hawaiian or any culture for that matter are naturally outsiders whose personal views of that culture should generally be regarded as their own opinions.
Have you lived in China for any substantial period of time, learned and used Chinese language in order to deal with common Chinese people in daily life?
I have. :shaka:
The content creator of this video is a foreigner and although living and marrying a Chinese woman, he is still definitely anti-China. He judges China using his own Western values and ignores 5,000 years of Chinese history and culture.
Chinese people generally do not care about personal freedoms as does Western people. The only personal freedom Chinese people universally cherish is wealth acquisition. The Chinese economy is not doing as well as it has in its recent past due to US imperial sanctions to its own country and countries that it does business. Naturally, domestic problems will arise in China which is exactly what the sanctions imposed by the US empire was meant to do.
I have been and lived in China.
There have always been mass murders, mostly non-political in nature, that happen in China that do not get reported.
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So, what's your point other than looking for an excuse to argue with me?
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So, what's your point other than looking for an excuse to argue with me?
I think it looks like you are arguing among yourself.
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So, you're saying anyone calling themselves Hawaiian, and who meet your standard of "living that lifestyle on a daily basis", are not Americans?
You can't have it both ways, if culture is your boundary for national identity.
I am talking about culture, not national identity.
I bet the people living in America in Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Russian, etc. communities living the lifestyle of their ancestors would disagree.
Disagree with what?
I am uncertain what point you are trying to raise, as I was only talking about culture.
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I am talking about culture, not national identity.
Disagree with what?
I am uncertain what point you are trying to raise, as I was only talking about culture.
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i'm not sure what your point was then.
There are 3 factors that define a nation: language, border and culture.
People can learn science, math, politics, foreign affairs, national security, etc, etc. There's no requirement that they be raised in an environment immersed in those disciplines. Yet, those who are more knowledgable about those or other disciplines we call "experts.'
i disagree that one can't learn about Hawaiian culture to the degree needed to be an expert. There's nothing about Hawaiian culture that's so unique from other cultures that it's beyond the comprehension of "outsiders."
Anything you can learn others can learn, too.