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General Topics => Political Discussion => Topic started by: macsak on May 17, 2024, 02:30:30 PM
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even more people going to lose faith in the system...
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No one is wearing a mask anymore and Mitsunaga isn't looking as frail. Amazing.
What next Miske and P Diddy?
(https://imagedelivery.net/wKQ19LTSBT0ARz08tkssqQ/www.courthousenews.com/2024/05/mitsunaga-kaneshiro-not-guilty.jpg/w=1880)
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(https://media1.tenor.com/m/P_i5Y5y8eFUAAAAC/banana-minions.gif)
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The swamp is too deep. No can fix. Too late.
Maybe best to hunker down and let them destroy themselves.
Hopefully re-build after. Hope. Ha ha. What a concept here in banana republik hawaii.
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I was a juror for a criminal trial and Otake was the defense atty - he is very skilled and artful in conveying his arguments. We found for the defense - not guilty.
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Hopefully re-build after. Hope. Ha ha. What a concept here in banana republik hawaii.
The "re-build after" can only happen after collapse of the US empire, which automatically leads to the restoration of the Hawaiian nation state.
Only then, can things build a new and freedom ring! :shaka:
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...which automatically leads to the restoration of the Hawaiian nation state.
Sure buddy, and any day now the Roman Empire is coming back, too. Just keep waiting patiently.
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Sure buddy, and any day now the Roman Empire is coming back, too. Just keep waiting patiently.
It's more likely than not...
The Most Famous Historian of Rome
on Why Men Are Obsessed
Women have been posting videos of themselves asking
the men in their lives how often they think about the
Roman Empire and expressing shock as these boyfriends
and husbands say they think about the Roman world
all of the time.
https://time.com/6317735/men-roman-empire-m
:geekdanc:
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It's more likely than not...
The Most Famous Historian of Rome
on Why Men Are Obsessedhttps://time.com/6317735/men-roman-empire-m
:geekdanc:
Haven't read anything from Time in a while. It's gotten really bad.
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Sure buddy, and any day now the Roman Empire is coming back, too. Just keep waiting patiently.
Well, as you often reference yourself similar to the fall of the Roman Empire; the US empire is on its way is way out the same way as Rome.
Once it does the Hawaiian nation state is restored de facto; hence you are right, we Hawaiian nationals are waiting patiently.
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Not a fan of the verdict, but I'm wondering if the way this trial ended did more damage to the reputation of the Hawaii deep state than just another prison sentence.
Now anyone can see that if you slip the prosecutor $50k in bundled donations you can basically turn them into your attack dogs and it's all perfectly "legal".
A crooked society like that will scare away all legitimate business, just like how Alvn Bragg's war on Trump is driving an investment exodus out of New York.
Nobody wants to risk dealing with a justice system that can be bought and used against them. It looks like our local government is about to defund itself.
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Not a fan of the verdict, but I'm wondering if the way this trial ended did more damage to the reputation of the Hawaii deep state than just another prison sentence.
Now anyone can see that if you slip the prosecutor $50k in bundled donations you can basically turn them into your attack dogs and it's all perfectly "legal".
A crooked society like that will scare away all legitimate business, just like how Alvn Bragg's war on Trump is driving an investment exodus out of New York.
Nobody wants to risk dealing with a justice system that can be bought and used against them. It looks like our local government is about to defund itself.
We have seen this happen around the nation and at the Federal level. Pay to play type and money doesn't necessarily have to be involved.
Funny that this all began with a mail box and greed over an estate.
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Well, as you often reference yourself similar to the fall of the Roman Empire; the US empire is on its way is way out the same way as Rome.
Once it does the Hawaiian nation state is restored de facto; hence you are right, we Hawaiian nationals are waiting patiently.
You realize that once Uncle Sam leaves Hawaii, Uncles Vlad and Xi will be perfectly happy to take Hawaii into protective custody.
Hawaii will become a "Protectorate" and dissidents will be whisked away to re-education/slave labor camps.
If you recall Hawaiian history, Russia did have a fortress or 2 built in Hawaii. American and British diplomats convinced King
Kamehameha to order that the fort to be dismantled.
After reading what the jury foreperson stated about the trial, it appears that the defense created enough doubt about the
credibility of ex-employee Laurel Mau. In his opinion the prosecution also failed to make the case against the defendants.
I wonder if the federal prosecutors and the independent judge were part of the scam.
I thought it was shameful for Kaneshiro and the other defendants to celebrate and laugh it up during the press conference
after the trial. Kaneshiro is an officer of the court and he should know better, but we are talking about demorats aren't we.
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I thought it was shameful for Kaneshiro and the other defendants to celebrate and laugh it up during the press conference
after the trial. Kaneshiro is an officer of the court and he should know better, but we are talking about demorats aren't we.
That's called hubris, and historically such displays appear just before the arrogant upperclass learns the hard way that the mob has turned against them.
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That's called hubris, and historically such displays appear just before the arrogant upperclass learns the hard way that the mob has turned against them.
I didn't realize that was a rule that's true in all cultures and in all time periods.
The US is unique historically in that anyone born into low class circumstances has the opportunity to advance into a better circumstance.
I don't remember hearing that Obama was born into the elite upper class. He got there through the opportunities available to us all.
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I didn't realize that was a rule that's true in all cultures and in all time periods.
The US is unique historically in that anyone born into low class circumstances has the opportunity to advance into a better circumstance.
I don't remember hearing that Obama was born into the elite upper class. He got there through the opportunities available to us all.
I was never offered an opportunity to be with someone like big mike.
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I was never offered an opportunity to be with someone like big mike.
You see that as an opportunity?
That says a lot!
:rofl: :shake:
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The US is unique historically in that anyone born into low class circumstances has the opportunity to advance into a better circumstance.
That's the fantasy they sell you. The reality is much different, but up to this point most people were too afraid to peek under the carpet.
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That's the fantasy they sell you. The reality is much different, but up to this point most people were too afraid to peek under the carpet.
Well, that's one opinion.
The history of this country is full of stories of poor, low class individuals becoming top earners and major contributors to the country.
I would reference the NBA and NFL as major examples.
It's reality, not fantasy -- unless you just refuse to put in the effort.
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You realize that once Uncle Sam leaves Hawaii, Uncles Vlad and Xi will be perfectly happy to take Hawaii into protective custody.
Hawaii will become a "Protectorate" and dissidents will be whisked away to re-education/slave labor camps.
Pure speculation and US imperial propaganda.
I think you are more worried about how much better Hawaii will be when it returns to being the free and neutral nation that it was before the illegal annexation by the US empire that screwed all the Hawaiians over.
If you recall Hawaiian history, Russia did have a fortress or 2 built in Hawaii. American and British diplomats convinced King
Kamehameha to order that the fort to be dismantled.
Having those Russian forts dismantled might have been a good idea, but not having any Russian presence was certainly a bad one.
Had the Hawaiian Kingdom maintained a strong diplomatic relationship with Russia, the illegal annexation of Hawaii by the US empire might have not taken place.
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The US is unique historically in that anyone born into low class circumstances has the opportunity to advance into a better circumstance.
I don't remember hearing that Obama was born into the elite upper class. He got there through the opportunities available to us all.
Not true at all.
Obama went arguably to the best exclusive private school in Hawaii especially during that time period, Punahou.
Not as clear cut as in the past, but only the elites were mostly allowed to send their children to that school during Obama's generation.
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ONLY were MOSTLY allowed???
Not true at all.
Obama went arguably to the best exclusive private school in Hawaii especially during that time period, Punahou.
Not as clear cut as in the past, but only the elites were mostly allowed to send their children to that school during Obama's generation.
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Not true at all.
Obama went arguably to the best exclusive private school in Hawaii especially during that time period, Punahou.
Not as clear cut as in the past, but only the elites were mostly allowed to send their children to that school during Obama's generation.
He attended Punahou School—a private college preparatory school—with the aid of a
scholarship from fifth grade until he graduated from high school in 1979.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama
Of course, young Obama was not rich. He was a scholarship student. He worked at a
Baskin-Robbins ice cream shop. It's still there, near the school. So is the apartment
building where he lived with his grandparents.
https://www.npr.org/2012/10/13/162786014/hawaii-prep-school-gave-obama-window-to-success
Not everyone who attended Punahou was given a free ride by rich parents.
After graduating from high school in 1979, Obama moved to Los Angeles to attend
Occidental College on a full scholarship.
Hmmm. Another scholarship? I guess he did the work in high school to compete for that, huh?
Despite being offered a full scholarship to Northwestern University School of Law, Obama
enrolled at Harvard Law School in the fall of 1988, living in nearby Somerville, Massachusetts.
Offered ANOTHER full scholarship? Wow! No opportunities there at all.
It doesn't matter if he was from a rich family or poor. What matters is he did well enough in school in Hawaii to compete for scholarships at mainland colleges and universities.
I'm not a fan of his obviously, but he didn't get those financial opportunities to continue his education because he was privileged.
I'm an example, too. Full 4-year scholarship to college from a poor, broken home. All because of opportunities offered on merit, not class.
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as opposed to your pure speculation and native hawaiian propaganda?
Pure speculation and US imperial propaganda.
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as opposed to your pure speculation and native hawaiian propaganda?
I don't think that even counts as propaganda. It's more like historical fan fiction.
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as opposed to your pure speculation and native hawaiian propaganda?
How do you justify your trolling criticism on my position on the restoration of the Hawaiian nation state if and when the US empire collapses?
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I don't think that even counts as propaganda. It's more like historical fan fiction.
Fan fiction?
Believing the US empire will not collapse due to its ever-growing national debt; goading the free nations of the World into WWIII; loss of petrodollar control; destroying pipelines to keep its vassal states from joining BRICS; open borders allowing the illegal immigrants, drug cartels, etc. free entry; woke education for its youth as we could go on and on with this list sounds more like fan fiction to me.
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i am not trolling nor criticizing your position
merely pointing out the hypocrisy...
#veryastute
How do you justify your trolling criticism on my position on the restoration of the Hawaiian nation state if and when the US empire collapses?
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What going happen to all us non-hawaiians when the US collapses?
Do I have to pack up a move out of privileged Mililani Mauka?
Do we non hawaiians have to migrate to Nevada while all the Hawaiians migrate back to Hawaii?
Trading places, lol!
Hope y'all realize I say this beef tongue in pig cheek. :rofl:
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Not everyone who attended Punahou was given a free ride by rich parents.
Punahou historically has been a college prep school almost exclusively attended by the children of Hawaii's elite families. Although I have no reason to doubt that Punahou's student body had some students of modest socio-economic backgrounds over its past history, that still was not the norm. Obama's parents were certainly not part of the elite families living on Oahu, but he was definitely not part of the common or poorer class families that lived in Waipahu, Kalihi, Waianae, etc.
Hmmm. Another scholarship? I guess he did the work in high school to compete for that, huh?
Offered ANOTHER full scholarship? Wow! No opportunities there at all.
Scholarships or chump change?
If you call getting chump change as receiving a scholarship, I guess you could argue that he got an opportunity. However, as you yourself pointed out Obama having to work to help supplement his tuition costs, that scholarship definitely did not provide a full ride.
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merely pointing out the hypocrisy...
Please show me the hypocrisy point for point.
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"Once it does the Hawaiian nation state is restored de facto" is as much speculation as "You realize that once Uncle Sam leaves Hawaii, Uncles Vlad and Xi will be perfectly happy to take Hawaii into protective custody.
Hawaii will become a "Protectorate" and dissidents will be whisked away to re-education/slave labor camps."
Please show me the hypocrisy point for point.
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Pure speculation and US imperial propaganda.
I think you are more worried about how much better Hawaii will be when it returns to being the free and neutral nation that it was before the illegal annexation by the US empire that screwed all the Hawaiians over.
Having those Russian forts dismantled might have been a good idea, but not having any Russian presence was certainly a bad one.
Had the Hawaiian Kingdom maintained a strong diplomatic relationship with Russia, the illegal annexation of Hawaii by the US empire might have not taken place.
You make to many assumptions about me and the issues at hand.
It sounds like pure speculation and Russian disinformation.
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Will there be opportunities for non-hawaiians in Sovereign Hawaii? ;)
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Pure speculation and US imperial propaganda.
I think you are more worried about how much better Hawaii will be when it returns to being the free and neutral nation that it was before the illegal annexation by the US empire that screwed all the Hawaiians over.
What makes your speculation more "truth" or less propaganda? I agree with astro and frankly is reality. Speaking for myself, I'm not worried about any neutral nation or restoration prior to illegal annexation.
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Punahou historically has been a college prep school almost exclusively attended by the children of Hawaii's elite families. Although I have no reason to doubt that Punahou's student body had some students of modest socio-economic backgrounds over its past history, that still was not the norm. Obama's parents were certainly not part of the elite families living on Oahu, but he was definitely not part of the common or poorer class families that lived in Waipahu, Kalihi, Waianae, etc.
Scholarships or chump change?
If you call getting chump change as receiving a scholarship, I guess you could argue that he got an opportunity. However, as you yourself pointed out Obama having to work to help supplement his tuition costs, that scholarship definitely did not provide a full ride.
You're moving goal posts on me. When did I say Obama was poor when he attended school on Oahu? He was solidly middle class from what i read.
I never once said every individual is afforded the same path to reach their goals. The "norm" is you have to compete to attend the better schools. Not everyone qualifies nor completes their education in the top schools. Those not selected for a scholarship and who can't afford it on their own dime will find a different path.
I know many who enlisted in the Air Force and applied for acceptance into educational programs. Some were able to go to college full time on USAF money if they completed the first 2 years on their own -- most using their GI educational benefits which paid for tuition. That meant going to class at night or on weekends, or perhaps taking the classes online.
Some were able to get their Associate's Degree, then finished their BA/BS requirements using GI benefits.
I was able to pay only 20% of in-state tuition rates at Old Dominion in VA. Benefits were less for officers. That was for graduate classes to get an MBA.
As for Punahou, you said it's a college prep school. Isn't that true of all secondary schools? My public county high school offered college prep classes. For example, if you took a year of history, the curriculum was divided into 4 quarters. In my Russian history class, we studied the Russian Revolution, the Cold War, 100 years of Czars/rulers, and Russian government. Same class format for English literature and Social Studies.
It's true that some schools are tailored to educating potential Ivy League Applicants. That speaks more to the school, not the individual attendees. i'm sure they offered many scholarships to students not already in private schools to provide ..... what's that word again? Opportunities?
You can keep trying to pretend that our institutions only cater to the elite and wealthy, and you'd be wrong.
The end result will always be the same: if you make good choices, excel in your classes, and have a well-rounded extracurricular life, you might not become President or the CEO of a major hedge fund, but you can better your position and have a better situation financially and socially than you likely would have otherwise.
I'm not discounting raw talent or physical ability either. Those who rise to the top in sports or entertainment had the characteristics to work hard at their craft so they were prepared to take the opportunities that were offered to them. But, that is actually not the norm.
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Someone (aka Pan Pacific ethno Poly propagandist) got mad squabbles with Punahou. Probabky because Punahou has better academic than Kamehameha schools.
Anyways as always how does this all relate to the Kaneshiro trial?
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Someone (aka Pan Pacific ethno Poly propagandist) got mad squabbles with Punahou. Probabky because Punahou has better academic than Kamehameha schools.
Anyways as always how does this all relate to the Kaneshiro trial?
Which would you rather have? A corrupt justice system run by wannabe Yakuza or commie mokes?
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Someone (aka Pan Pacific ethno Poly propagandist) got mad squabbles with Punahou. Probabky because Punahou has better academic than Kamehameha schools.
Anyways as always how does this all relate to the Kaneshiro trial?
Easy question ...
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=53546.msg481469#msg481469
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Which would you rather have? A corrupt justice system run by wannabe Yakuza or commie mokes?
Local yakuza wannabes? Or actual/traditional yakuza?
[rhetorical, or course]
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Local yakuza wannabes? Or actual/traditional yakuza?
[rhetorical, or course]
Good point. I'm not connected enough to know.
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"coincidentally" showed up in my youtube feed...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WzkdYDLdpI
Good point. I'm not connected enough to know.
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That's a really good video.
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So I haven't been following this. Can someone post cliff notes on what he was accused of? I mean, dont' just say bribery. But a little more details please.
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So I haven't been following this. Can someone post cliff notes on what he was accused of? I mean, dont' just say bribery. But a little more details please.
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So I haven't been following this. Can someone post cliff notes on what he was accused of? I mean, dont' just say bribery. But a little more details please.
Federal prosecutors had alleged that Mitsunaga & Associates employees conspired to
bribe then-Honolulu Prosecuting Attorney Keith Kaneshiro with campaign donations in
exchange for Kaneshiro's prosecution of a former company employee.
The indictment alleged that the CEO and four employees contributed more than $45,000
to Kaneshiro’s reelection campaigns between 2012 and 2016.
All six defendants pleaded not guilty in 2022 to one count of conspiracy to defraud the City
and County of Honolulu and one count of conspiracy to intimidate the former employee,
Laurel Mau, to prevent her from exercising her rights by filing a civil rights lawsuit against
the firm.
https://www.hawaiipublicradio.org/local-news/2024-05-17/bribery-trial-against-ex-honolulu-prosecutor-kaneshiro
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Seabright recused himself because he was the target of a murder for hire plot. Mitsunaga got locked up for witnesses tampering. Makes me wonder who he was hanging out with back in the 70s and 80s
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https://www.hawaiipublicradio.org/local-news/2024-05-17/bribery-trial-against-ex-honolulu-prosecutor-kaneshiro
So what would Kaneshiro have been able to do to this employee? I mean, she would have to had broken a law for him or his office to come after her. And same if he used any HPD officer (for this specifically). That would mean the cop would be waiting outside her home or tailing her when driving to find something.
How can they "intimidate" Mau from hiring a lawyer? I get that they might try damage control first, as in talk to her and they say her civil right wasn't violated. I don't see how they prevented her from seeking a lawyer or filing a allegation to the feds.
Mau's civil lawsuit sounds petty too. She got fired and didn't like it. "Mau was an architect at the firm and she’d been accused of stealing by taking side jobs. During trial, Mau said she was directed to take on some of those jobs by firm employees. Meanwhile, some of the jobs were offered pro bono.'
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So what would Kaneshiro have been able to do to this employee? I mean, she would have to had broken a law for him or his office to come after her. And same if he used any HPD officer (for this specifically). That would mean the cop would be waiting outside her home or tailing her when driving to find something.
How can they "intimidate" Mau from hiring a lawyer? I get that they might try damage control first, as in talk to her and they say her civil right wasn't violated. I don't see how they prevented her from seeking a lawyer or filing a allegation to the feds.
Mau's civil lawsuit sounds petty too. She got fired and didn't like it. "Mau was an architect at the firm and she’d been accused of stealing by taking side jobs. During trial, Mau said she was directed to take on some of those jobs by firm employees. Meanwhile, some of the jobs were offered pro bono.'
You answered your own question.
If Mau was being accused of stealing -- whether or not she was guilty -- the prosecutor could have indicted her and dragged her through years of hiring lawyers and appearing in court.
My read on the situation is she was intimidated through threats of prosecution and told the charges would not be filed if she refrained from filing that civil rights lawsuit.
You say she was a disgruntled employee filing a "petty" lawsuit in retaliation for being terminated. If that were true, what was her former employer worried about?
If someone asks you for blackmail money or they'll tell the police they saw you commit a crime, doesn't it scream "guilty" if you pay them? Why would you pay the blackmail demand otherwise?
Same thing here. Why would you "donate" so much to a prosecutor's campaign fund if you weren't trying to buy yourself a "favor?" The feds did a lengthy investigation before indicting, so there had to be at least some evidence to support the charges.
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You answered your own question.
If Mau was being accused of stealing -- whether or not she was guilty -- the prosecutor could have indicted her and dragged her through years of hiring lawyers and appearing in court.
My read on the situation is she was intimidated through threats of prosecution and told the charges would not be filed if she refrained from filing that civil rights lawsuit.
You say she was a disgruntled employee filing a "petty" lawsuit in retaliation for being terminated. If that were true, what was her former employer worried about?
If someone asks you for blackmail money or they'll tell the police they saw you commit a crime, doesn't it scream "guilty" if you pay them? Why would you pay the blackmail demand otherwise?
Same thing here. Why would you "donate" so much to a prosecutor's campaign fund if you weren't trying to buy yourself a "favor?" The feds did a lengthy investigation before indicting, so there had to be at least some evidence to support the charges.
People "donate" to those who are in high positions all the time. No different from any of our lawmakers in office (senate, house, gov, mayor, etc...). And refer to the courts ruling.
Apparently, the feds high probability to convict fell short, even after all the investigation they did. They have a 96% conviction rate and lost this one. But this is a separate issue as the feds often stack the deck, and accept plea deals to bump up their %. Guess they couldn't stack the deck as much against these people.
I say petty because she did lose in civil court. So her termination was justified, and add in this lack of evidence for Kaneshiro, et al's charges. So what she's claiming, there wasn't enough to get anything in her favor. So maybe her employer did fire her for the correct reason.
I was thinking what you thought as well, threat of prosecution if she files the complaint. But it seems like she did file the complaint and she wasn't prosecuted for the "theft". I mean, it could be cause this story broke and Kaneshiro's hands were tied.
I was in banking and caught a few employees stealing over the years. Not once did we call the police. The bank either fired them or they quit before they were fired. So "theft" is a word that doesn't necessarily mean arrest and charged. Sounds like the firm just fired her for that reason and didn't bother with the legal aspect of calling the police and pressing charges. So refer back to my "petty" statement.
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People "donate" to those who are in high positions all the time. No different from any of our lawmakers in office (senate, house, gov, mayor, etc...). And refer to the courts ruling.
Apparently, the feds high probability to convict fell short, even after all the investigation they did. They have a 96% conviction rate and lost this one. But this is a separate issue as the feds often stack the deck, and accept plea deals to bump up their %. Guess they couldn't stack the deck as much against these people.
I say petty because she did lose in civil court. So her termination was justified, and add in this lack of evidence for Kaneshiro, et al's charges. So what she's claiming, there wasn't enough to get anything in her favor. So maybe her employer did fire her for the correct reason.
I was thinking what you thought as well, threat of prosecution if she files the complaint. But it seems like she did file the complaint and she wasn't prosecuted for the "theft". I mean, it could be cause this story broke and Kaneshiro's hands were tied.
I was in banking and caught a few employees stealing over the years. Not once did we call the police. The bank either fired them or they quit before they were fired. So "theft" is a word that doesn't necessarily mean arrest and charged. Sounds like the firm just fired her for that reason and didn't bother with the legal aspect of calling the police and pressing charges. So refer back to my "petty" statement.
Apples and oranges. Stealing money is different than being accused of stealing customers.
Most banks won't file charges unless it rises to a felony amount stolen. The bad publicity that comes from employees stealing makes customers wonder if the bank can be trusted. Too many other banks to choose who are not ripping them off.
I wonder how many hard drives at that company crashed, making it difficult to recover the evidence of their wrongdoing? People seem to have all kinds of excuses when information goes missing.
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Gangstas run our state government
No wonder they want to take away our guns so bad
https://www.hawaiipublicradio.org/local-news/2024-02-29/kaneshiro-trial-department-of-justice-investigation-judge-seabright
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Gangstas run our state government
And some people wonder why Aboriginal Hawaiians want and work for the deoccupation and restoration of their nation state from the US empire.
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And some people wonder why Aboriginal Hawaiians want and work for the deoccupation and restoration of their nation state from the US empire.
You just want a different set of gangsters to run things
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You just want a different set of gangsters to run things
Don't want any gangsters running anything.
The only hope for anything pono is for everything to start over. For starters in Hawaii, it's the restoration of the Hawaiian nation state that incorporates the ideals of democracy applied to modern models of government that keeps the intergenerational/international wealthy out of government.
For starters of the former American republic, it's the dissolution of the US empire and perhaps the creation of a new nation state similar to the EU where it is a loose federation of sovereign states each practicing its own likeminded politics.
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Don't want any gangsters running anything.
The only hope for anything pono is for everything to start over. For starters in Hawaii, it's the restoration of the Hawaiian nation state that incorporates the ideals of democracy applied to modern models of government that keeps the intergenerational/international wealthy out of government.
For starters of the former American republic, it's the dissolution of the US empire and perhaps the creation of a new nation state similar to the EU where it is a loose federation of sovereign states each practicing its own likeminded politics.
Is that your vision for Hawaii?
(https://www.publicdomainpictures.net/pictures/290000/velka/haleakala-observatory-1552869458FSL.jpg)
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Don't want any gangsters running anything.
The only hope for anything pono is for everything to start over. For starters in Hawaii, it's the restoration of the Hawaiian nation state that incorporates the ideals of democracy applied to modern models of government that keeps the intergenerational/international wealthy out of government.
For starters of the former American republic, it's the dissolution of the US empire and perhaps the creation of a new nation state similar to the EU where it is a loose federation of sovereign states each practicing its own likeminded politics.
You want someone to give you power instead of getting it the old fashioned way. Power goes to those who earn it. Kamehameha would surely be disappointed with you lot of university brainwashed beggars.
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Is that your vision for Hawaii?
Telescopes have their place, but not as an economic base for an island nation state.
I was thinking along the lines of Singapore economically and Switzerland politically.
As the former non-US imperial Philippine puppet President Duterte would say, "friends to all, enemies to none."
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You want someone to give you power instead of getting it the old fashioned way. Power goes to those who earn it. Kamehameha would surely be disappointed with you lot of university brainwashed beggars.
Aboriginal Hawaiians who work towards the de-occupation and restoration of the Hawaiian nation state are not brainwashed beggars and who said we are not doing anything to further our goals.
In the meantime, most of us are just watching the US empire's full-spectrum self-destruction from within and, barring the real possibility of WWIII, preparing for its collapse and our own nation's resurrection.
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In the meantime, most of us are just watching the US empire's full-spectrum self-destruction from within...
Costco Hawaiians cheering on China
(https://imgs.search.brave.com/EF2_im0TSvrlHwcdKP8brwWQ5c78m-I0JdFq0bC8h_E/rs:fit:860:0:0/g:ce/aHR0cHM6Ly9lbGxl/bmxhbmRyZXRoLndv/cmRwcmVzcy5jb20v/d3AtY29udGVudC91/cGxvYWRzLzIwMTMv/MDgvY3V0dGluZy1v/ZmYtYnJhbmNoLmpw/Zz93PTcyMA)
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As the former non-US imperial Philippine puppet President Duterte would say, "friends to all, enemies to none."
This sounds like resident biden to me. Lots of world leaders would love to see him re-elected but not for the reasons he and a lot of his people think it is.
Instead of great leader think pushover.
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Telescopes have their place, but not as an economic base for an island nation state.
I was thinking along the lines of Singapore economically and Switzerland politically.
As the former non-US imperial Philippine puppet President Duterte would say, "friends to all, enemies to none."
How is your plan coming along? Timeline in line with completion of our rail?
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Costco Hawaiians cheering on China
Costco Hawaiians?
I did not know only Hawaiians shopped at Costco.
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How is your plan coming along? Timeline in line with completion of our rail?
The US empire's proxy government in Hawaii is in charge of that rail.
Like with Russia in Ukraine, Hawaiians are in no hurry in achieving their goals.
Hawaiian nationals, not Hawaiian culturists, are in for the long haul and with the US empire crumbling internally and externally, it may be sooner than everyone thinks.
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This sounds like resident biden to me. Lots of world leaders would love to see him re-elected but not for the reasons he and a lot of his people think it is.
You don't believe nations should respect and trade with each other in good faith?
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Costco Hawaiians cheering on China
akin to chickens in support of Popeyes and KFC?
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aaaaaaaaannnnnnnnddddddd
another, thread, derailed; by; the haters, of; the US imperialist, empire's; power okole...
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aaaaaaaaannnnnnnnddddddd
another, thread, derailed; by; the haters, of; the US imperialist, empire's; power okole...
Narcissism is a hell of a drug
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The US empire's proxy government in Hawaii is in charge of that rail.
Like with Russia in Ukraine, Hawaiians are in no hurry in achieving their goals.
Hawaiian nationals, not Hawaiian culturists, are in for the long haul and with the US empire crumbling internally and externally, it may be sooner than everyone thinks.
You are implying that Kahikina is an agent of the US Imperial govt?
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2024/06/08/rail-ceos-future-still-limbo-after-critics-testify-about-her-behind-closed-doors/
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Is that your vision for Hawaii?
(https://www.publicdomainpictures.net/pictures/290000/velka/haleakala-observatory-1552869458FSL.jpg)
With that, vision is better than 20/20.
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Cows rally support of Dairy Queen and Burger King.
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You don't believe nations should respect and trade with each other in good faith?
I believe they should. But that damn thing called reality and human nature gets in the way. It's possible to get a fair resemblance to it, however respect and good faith doesn't mix well with our current leader. Especially the respect part. Respect comes with strong leadership.
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Kaneshiro wants a payoff...
https://hawaiifreepress.com/Articles-Daily-News/ID/41106/June-9-2024-News-Read
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Narcissism is a hell of a drug
Coming from someone who can't hold his own against Flapp...
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You are implying that Kahikina is an agent of the US Imperial govt?
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2024/06/08/rail-ceos-future-still-limbo-after-critics-testify-about-her-behind-closed-doors/
As Hawaii is illegally occupied by the US empire, the so-called local government of Hawaii is nothing but acting agents of the US empire.
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akin to chickens in support of Popeyes and KFC?
Only the brainwashed believe in the anti-Chinese/anti-Russian propaganda spun by the US empire.
As with the rest of the free-thinking World, the restored Hawaiian nation state will definitely be joining BRICS as well.
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Only the brainwashed believe in the anti-Chinese/anti-Russian propaganda spun by the US empire.
As with the rest of the free-thinking World, the restored Hawaiian nation state will definitely be joining BRICS as well.
Define "brainwashed" -- not clinically, but in the context of your comment.
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aka anyone not #veryastute
Define "brainwashed" -- not clinically, but in the context of your comment.
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As with the rest of the free-thinking World, the restored Hawaiian nation state will definitely be joining BRICS as well.
When? Is there a date?
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Coming from someone who can't hold his own against Flapp...
Flapp loves America so we have that in common. Also he has a sense of humor and respects his opposition by using different talking points instead of repeating the same one over and over again.
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When? Is there a date?
Is there a date when the two-state solution between Israel and Palestine will be achieved?
Is there a date when the US imperial proxy war with Russia via Ukraine will end?
Is there a date when the US empire begins its next proxy war with China?
Is there a date when all of the BRICS nations dump US imperial printed toilet paper?
As with all those rhetorical questions above, the answer is I don't know. However, like with all the sides involved in those questions above, everyone is working on it. :shaka:
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Flapp loves America so we have that in common. Also he has a sense of humor and respects his opposition by using different talking points instead of repeating the same one over and over again.
There is a difference, as I truly believe you love the former American republic that has long since been replaced by the US empire and its actions that you yourself don't like. Flapp also loves the former American republic, but openly loves and defends the now US empire and all of its shortcomings and evils it has done to the World.
BTW, do you admit you can't hold your own against Flapp?
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Define "brainwashed" -- not clinically, but in the context of your comment.
In the context of my post that you referenced, "brainwashed" are those who have accepted "as fact" US imperial propaganda that both Russia and China are evil dictatorship led countries and must be destroyed regardless of the cost up to WWIII.
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i thought that was today...
Is there a date when the two-state solution between Israel and Palestine will be achieved?
Is there a date when the US imperial proxy war with Russia via Ukraine will end?
Is there a date when the US empire begins its next proxy war with China?
Is there a date when all of the BRICS nations dump US imperial printed toilet paper?
As with all those rhetorical questions above, the answer is I don't know. However, like with all the sides involved in those questions above, everyone is working on it. :shaka:
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In the context of my post that you referenced, "brainwashed" are those who have accepted "as fact" US imperial propaganda that both Russia and China are evil dictatorship led countries and must be destroyed regardless of the cost up to WWIII.
is it your belief that anyone who holds the opinion that Russia and China are evil COMMUNIST/SOCIALIST-ruled (not dictatorship) countries are brainwashed?
Funny how so many citizens of Russia and China hold that view yet have never been "brainwashed" by US Imperial propaganda.
https://youtu.be/rNw-6furjuQ
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is it your belief that anyone who holds the opinion that Russia and China are evil COMMUNIST/SOCIALIST-ruled (not dictatorship) countries are brainwashed?
Anyone is rightly free to have and express their own opinion of anything. In the context of communist/socialist ruled nations like Russia and China being inherently evil; however, that's a value judgement more reserved for the citizenry of those respective nations to make rather than armchair quarterbacks of another nation who primarily get their understanding of Russia and China by US imperial government propaganda.
Funny how so many citizens of Russia and China hold that view yet have never been "brainwashed" by US Imperial propaganda.
Those instances you speak of are more the exceptions rather than the rule.
Just because you have a huge number of Americans who truly believe Trump is evil, does not necessarily mean it's true unless you are willing to admit those anti-Trumpsters are all brainwashed idiots.
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aaaaannnndddddd he takes it further off topic...
Anyone is rightly free to have and express their own opinion of anything. In the context of communist/socialist ruled nations like Russia and China being inherently evil; however, that's a value judgement more reserved for the citizenry of those respective nations to make rather than armchair quarterbacks of another nation who primarily get their understanding of Russia and China by US imperial government propaganda.
Those instances you speak of are more the exceptions rather than the rule.
Just because you have a huge number of Americans who truly believe Trump is evil, does not necessarily mean it's true unless you are willing to admit those anti-Trumpsters are all brainwashed idiots.
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Anyone is rightly free to have and express their own opinion of anything. In the context of communist/socialist ruled nations like Russia and China being inherently evil; however, that's a value judgement more reserved for the citizenry of those respective nations to make rather than armchair quarterbacks of another nation who primarily get their understanding of Russia and China by US imperial government propaganda.
Those instances you speak of are more the exceptions rather than the rule.
Just because you have a huge number of Americans who truly believe Trump is evil, does not necessarily mean it's true unless you are willing to admit those anti-Trumpsters are all brainwashed idiots.
Remind me how many millions of innocent US citizens Trump's responsible for killing during his time as president.
I think your analogy is pure hyperbolic bloviating.
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BTW, do you admit you can't hold your own against Flapp?
That only works on insecure people like yourself
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That only works on insecure people like yourself
wait for it...