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General Topics => Political Discussion => Topic started by: Flapp_Jackson on October 12, 2024, 11:27:35 AM
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My idea: start by removing the ability to blindly vote for all candidates in a party.
Best idea: give a short video or written training list of all the candidates followed by an easy multiple choice test of 15-25 questions.
Basically force voters to know who is running in all races for all political parties and what their government experience is. No slogans or characterizations -- just facts relevant to the job they are campaigning for.
You can get 2 questions wrong. Get 3 or more wrong, you have to re-watch or re-read the candidate info again and retake the test until you pass.
If you're not able to answer a few questions that you just read on each candidate, then how can anyone say you're informed enough to cast a ballot?
Just one option.
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Voting is a right. Regardless. Unless you are a criminal or non citizen.
I know of a few Trump voters who are clueless.
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Voting is a right. Regardless. Unless you are a criminal or non citizen.
I know of a few Trump voters who are clueless.
I know the democrats and their leader (Chuck Shumer) killed a bill requiring people to show proof of citizenship before voting.
Now why da hell would they want to do that.......
That and biden's DOJ suing the governor of Virginia to stop him from eliminating the illegal voters currently on their voting rolls database.
Now why da hell would they want to do that......
Plain and simple criminal. And corrupt.
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I know the democrats and their leader (Chuck Shumer) killed a bill requiring people to show proof of citizenship before voting.
Now why da hell would they want to do that.......
That and biden's DOJ suing the governor of Virginia to stop him from eliminating the illegal voters currently on their voting rolls database.
Now why da hell would they want to do that......
Plain and simple criminal. And corrupt.
And Republicans are purging roles, when a majority are legitimate. And lack of time to fix. Each side is doing dumb things.
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Voting is a right. Regardless. Unless you are a criminal or non citizen.
I know of a few Trump voters who are clueless.
Can you post examples on why they're clueless?
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And Republicans are purging roles, when a majority are legitimate. And lack of time to fix. Each side is doing dumb things.
If the majority is legitimate, that is not good enough. Some members of congress won by 22 votes.
Ask Mike Johnson. He knows and was trying to let America know before Margaret Brennan and CBS edited that part out.
Good thing he had his interview recorded by an un-biased source. He shared it on social media. Otherwise America would never know.
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If the majority is legitimate, that is not good enough. Some members of congress won by 22 votes.
Ask Mike Johnson. He knows and was trying to let America know before Margaret Brennan and CBS edited that part out.
Good thing he had his interview recorded by an un-biased source. He shared it on social media. Otherwise America would never know.
If the majority of people in court are guilty should we do away with due process?
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I like the starship troopers approach.
The population should be divided into citizens and civilians. In order to obtain full citizenship, you complete a full military term of service and pass the same assessment as naturalized citizens.
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Voting is a right. Regardless. Unless you are a criminal or non citizen.
I know of a few Trump voters who are clueless.
Voting isn't a right. It never was and neither the original nor the amended Constitution state anything about the right to vote, outside of restrictions based on race, gender, age or income, all of which are covered under the 14th, 15th, 19th, 24th and 26th amendments.
We should start a school called "school for people who can't read the Constitution good" so they stop making stuff up when it suits them.
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I like the starship troopers approach.
The population should be divided into citizens and civilians. In order to obtain full citizenship, you complete a full military term of service and pass the same assessment as naturalized citizens.
SST was based off a novel that made a parody of a right wing authoritarian society, but I don't entirely dismiss the merit of the idea.
Instead of military service we should all be required to register with a local militia and complete basic training and a few weeks refresher every year. That way we don't get sent off to some middle east meat grinder, shot up full of deadly experimental drugs, and left to rot with VA psychologists doing their best to convince us to kill ourselves.
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Voting is a right. Regardless. Unless you are a criminal or non citizen.
I know of a few Trump voters who are clueless.
You missed the premise of the post.
Voting is a right, but it's also a responsibility. My question is whether more should be done to ensure the voters take that responsibility seriously or not.
In 1778, when the Constitution was ratified, the rules associated with elections were delegated to the states.
Land ownership was a requirement in most states to be eligible to vote. Primarily, if one had "skin in the game," they tended to be most affected by government decisions. Therefore, if you didn't own land, you were not allowed to elect representatives that impacted landowners.
In 1868, at the end of the Civil War, the 13th Amendment ended legalized slavery, and the 14th Amendment granted citizenship to anyone born in or naturalized as a US citizen. The intent was to ensure former slaves enjoyed the rights of citizenship even if they were born outside the country.
In 1870, Blacks were included in the right to vote via the 15th Amendment.
It wasn't until 1920 that the 19th Amendment gave the right to vote to women.
So, while it's now considered a right of all people, there is in fact a history and tradition of limiting voting rights to those who demonstrate they are engaged in commerce, land ownership and are law abiding (not a felon).
Even the men who created the government lamented that when voters figure out they can vote themselves portions of the nation's wealth, it will begin the downfall of the nation.
My point is, just staying alive until your 18th birthday is not the only consideration when deciding if someone is actually capable of making a reasoned and well-informed choice on ballots.
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And Republicans are purging roles, when a majority are legitimate. And lack of time to fix. Each side is doing dumb things.
Not just Republicans. Every state has a statute that requires periodic purging and updating of voter roles.
So, don't try to make this a Republican conspiracy.
Do you advocate for the honor system in the voter registration and ballot systems in all states? i.e. no verification of identity or citizenship whatsoever?
Too bad the right to bear arms paradigm doesn't apply to voting. Both are rights, but only one requires background checks, proof of legal resident status, not a user of illegal narcotics, etc.
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If politicians can violate the 2A, what's to stop from this? When you set precedent for violating 1 right all the time, it can be used to violate others.
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If the majority of people in court are guilty should we do away with due process?
Are guilty or proven guilty?
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If the majority of people in court are guilty should we do away with due process?
That's what's already happening. Many states are not following due process to ensure a legal vote is not being canceled out by an illegal one. To allow that to happen is disenfranchisement which is a crime.
My right to vote as a US-born citizen should never be at risk of unverified people being allowed to vote.
All the GOP is asking for is that the states verify citizenship when someone registers to vote, and that the voter's identity is verified when they submit their ballot.
It's literally the bare minimum due diligence. And you think there's supposed to be some kind of due process? Nobody is being charged with a crime unless they are found to be committing voter fraud or election interference.
You can't have a real democratic process if one side is always rigging the game with ineligible voters.
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And Republicans are purging roles, when a majority are legitimate. And lack of time to fix. Each side is doing dumb things.
Never too late to do the right thing. And why is doing the right thing a dumb thing.
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Never too late to do the right thing. And why is doing the right thing a dumb thing.
If it's a Republican doing it, it's the wrong thing.
If it's a Democrat, it's the right thing.
Figuring out what a TDS-afflicted Biden voter thinks isn't rocket science.
So easy, even a caveman can do it!
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If it's a Republican doing it, it's the wrong thing.
If it's a Democrat, it's the right thing.
Figuring out what a TDS-afflicted Biden voter thinks isn't rocket science.
So easy, even a caveman can do it!
At least a caveman would make the vote for Harris based on a random mark once they figure out how to work the ballot. Compare this to a Harris voter who is even more unintelligent and choosing to mark Harris on the ballot.
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If politicians can violate the 2A, what's to stop from this? When you set precedent for violating 1 right all the time, it can be used to violate others.
Bobby said it best:
https://youtube.com/shorts/EFWmYnbDFQ8?si=_hiGBo2mVfOmJRUN (https://youtube.com/shorts/EFWmYnbDFQ8?si=_hiGBo2mVfOmJRUN)
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As far as registrations and voter role purging goes, I don't see why we can't sync voter registrations with drivers license or other ID expiration dates. Many states look at whether or not a registered voter cast a ballot in the last 2 general elections and automatically purge them from the roles. Could have moved, died, been incarcerated, or simply opted out of voting.
I think there should be an ID requirement, and the ID expiration should be linked to registration expiration. If you renew your state ID or license, your voter registration will also be renewed.
It's simple to send out renewal notices for expiring registrations, which would catch anyone who's not renewing their ID (forgot, etc).
These are just examples of how simple a solution could be. Unfortunately, the states are not applying resources to find solutions. The purges, therefore, have experienced errors by purging valid citizens' records.
So, the question isn't whether or not the roles need to be maintained by purging records for those no longer able to vote legally in the state, but rather the state's are not coming up with proper processes to do a role purge while creating a fall-back for anyone who is at risk of being incorrectly removed.
Find better solutions instead of screaming about the half-ass solutions. Doing nothing makes elections very susceptible to fraud.
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aksing for IDs is RAYCISS!!!
As far as registrations and voter role purging goes, I don't see why we can't sync voter registrations with drivers license or other ID expiration dates. Many states look at whether or not a registered voter cast a ballot in the last 2 general elections and automatically purge them from the roles. Could have moved, died, been incarcerated, or simply opted out of voting.
I think there should be an ID requirement, and the ID expiration should be linked to registration expiration. If you renew your state ID or license, your voter registration will also be renewed.
It's simple to send out renewal notices for expiring registrations, which would catch anyone who's not renewing their ID (forgot, etc).
These are just examples of how simple a solution could be. Unfortunately, the states are not applying resources to find solutions. The purges, therefore, have experienced errors by purging valid citizens' records.
So, the question isn't whether or not the roles need to be maintained by purging records for those no longer able to vote legally in the state, but rather the state's are not coming up with proper processes to do a role purge while creating a fall-back for anyone who is at risk of being incorrectly removed.
Find better solutions instead of screaming about the half-ass solutions. Doing nothing makes elections very susceptible to fraud.
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There's a reason why voter registration integrity is such a hot topic.
One side of the aisle wants fair, transparent voting.
The other side wants power and will do anything to keep it. They want to add smoke and mirrors to the voting equation.
All the while saying the other side is making mountains out of molehills.
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There's a reason why voter registration integrity is such a hot topic.
One side of the aisle wants fair, transparent voting.
The other side wants power and will do anything to keep it. They want to add smoke and mirrors to the voting equation.
All the while saying the other side is making mountains out of molehills.
Add in all the illegals entering, if they have kids, guess who has an advantage now to get a vote. The party that wanted their illegal parents to come here or the party that wanted legal immigration.
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Add in all the illegals entering, if they have kids, guess who has an advantage now to get a vote. The party that wanted their illegal parents to come here or the party that wanted legal immigration.
The open border policy, while the dems will never admit it, had an agenda. For those who are skeptical, just look at what biden did the day he assumed office.
Dismantle all the border policies Trump had in place.
Broke the dam, so to speak.
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The open border policy, while the dems will never admit it, had an agenda. For those who are skeptical, just look at what biden did the day he assumed office.
Dismantle all the border policies Trump had in place.
Broke the dam, so to speak.
This is why my 70 year old aunty supports Harris/DNC, well 1 reason anyways. She claims her dad came to HI illegally from Japan, so had he not done that, she wouldn't have been born. I didn't get into it with her as she has TDS. But he came to HI pre WW2. Which means HI wasn't a state, but a US territory. IDK what the immigration process was, but I assume he had to come here from Japan on a ship. Unless he snuck on that ship, which means he hid for a few weeks. Then once the ship docked in HI, he snuck out and that's if they had some sort of document check. Back in the Ellis Island days, all immigrants had to do was sign the log and "welcome to the USA". I can't imagine HI would be any different pre WW2 as there was really no way to check backgrounds like how you can today.
So this is likely to be the mentality of any children born in the US from illegal parents.
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This is why my 70 year old aunty supports Harris/DNC, well 1 reason anyways. She claims her dad came to HI illegally from Japan, so had he not done that, she wouldn't have been born. I didn't get into it with her as she has TDS. But he came to HI pre WW2. Which means HI wasn't a state, but a US territory. IDK what the immigration process was, but I assume he had to come here from Japan on a ship. Unless he snuck on that ship, which means he hid for a few weeks. Then once the ship docked in HI, he snuck out and that's if they had some sort of document check. Back in the Ellis Island days, all immigrants had to do was sign the log and "welcome to the USA". I can't imagine HI would be any different pre WW2 as there was really no way to check backgrounds like how you can today.
So this is likely to be the mentality of any children born in the US from illegal parents.
I wonder if your aunty thinks we should do away with all immigration laws to allow as many people from every country on Earth to freely come here and live, populate and take resources and jobs from US citizens? Or should we just not enforce the laws on those who are clever enough to evade detection?
Your aunty believes in open borders from the sound of it. Would she welcome Arabs, Jews and Nigerians coming to live in her town in unlimited numbers? Are there enough jobs to support them?
Seems like aunty is like most Liberals -- on paper, welcoming everyone seems like a great idea. In practice, any negative impacts close to home would change her perspective.
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I am going to reply using the same basic argument C.S. Lewis made about something else.
There are people who should not be allowed to vote but I do not entrust to men the power to wield that decision
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I wonder if your aunty thinks we should do away with all immigration laws to allow as many people from every country on Earth to freely come here and live, populate and take resources and jobs from US citizens? Or should we just not enforce the laws on those who are clever enough to evade detection?
Your aunty believes in open borders from the sound of it. Would she welcome Arabs, Jews and Nigerians coming to live in her town in unlimited numbers? Are there enough jobs to support them?
Seems like aunty is like most Liberals -- on paper, welcoming everyone seems like a great idea. In practice, any negative impacts close to home would change her perspective.
By the time I would get to this portion of questioning her feelings, she's all wound up and major TDS kicks in. So to keep the relationship, I just remain silent. It's funny how the Trump supporting side has to remain silent and hold their tongue to save things. This is how you know one is on the correct side of history.